So should we use our worker to pop the hut?

Donsig, thanks for getting this started.

My preference is to leave the hut for expansion. Haven't loaded up the save yet so don't know what our shields / food per turn will be for sure, but let's aim to complete a warrior the same turn as expansion, in case we get barbs.

I believe if we pop it before we have a military unit there will be no barbs. Therefore it may be advantagous to pop it with our worker.

i think we should just wait till we have a warrior and culture expands just incase.

POP THE HUT. No barbs pop out if we have no military. I heard it somewhere, I forgot where. It might have what you want Donsig... POTTERY. Whatever we get it should be good.

oops, found out that we are not in immediate reach of goodie hut. Sorry, I guess you can ignore the above post. About this issue. Find out where we settle and then we find out when to pop it.

Let's pop it with our worker, or else pop it by settling our city on the hill next to it (if we choose to do that).

Without military I got a barb from a hut..so I lost the worker and gold....
So say wait till we have a military..

I agree, if we pop the hut and get a barb, we're screwed.

Only use expansion to pop a hut in this situation. A friendly pop w/expansion will ensure the safety of our bank, as we will have a warrior by then. Let's do it the easy way.

Let's hope for a settler. Make sure to not have settlers being built when it is popped.

Use the worker to irrigate, that's what he is for. The hut will be popped by cultural expansion. If we have no military I suppose there won't be barbs and if we have no settlers we can get them from the hut.

But with my luck it'll be maps ...

I think we should use the worker to pop the hut. The longer we wait to do it the less we'll get from it. I ain't 'fraid of no barbs!:viking:

It would be easier if we knew exactly what the level of barbarians was, but since it's random it could be a risk or not. I think we should wait 'till we expand or have a military to pop the hut as it could be a risk that would set us back alot if we got the wrong outcome.

If we pop and lose, we set ourselves back significantly in the early game. I think that outweighs the benefit of a cheap tech. Now if we got a settler, then that is a different issue, but the risks are still way too high in my opinion.

Well lets straight it out first...

We are playing Monarch.

We are popping it peacefully.

Do you think a tribe will attack a bunch of workers?

I dont think so, so lets take the risk. Its the first turn, what could happen so bad. Whats wrong with a challenge. :D That is IF we pop barbs, which I think we wont.

Yes but i think that the problems which we could get from this hut outweigh what we might get.

Inter, was that hut popped after you'd already had a military unit, but didn't have it at the time? I think that if a civ has never had a military unit before, the civ has no chance of getting barbs from a hut; though I could be wrong, I'm fairly sure of that (otherwise, barbs could conceivably pop out of a hut before a city is built and kill your first settler).

really there's no point in poping the hut now, any adavantage now will be just as advantagous in a few turns, however the risks will be less in a few turns, i see no motivation to pop it without expansion

I agree with Cyc and the President, let it pop by Cultural Expansion. It'll happen anyway, why waste worker time on it??

I too agree with Cyc and President Rik. Let's expand into it.

We are not expansionst and you can get barbs by popping a hut without any military. I've done it many times, and it sucks badly. We can not risk losing our worker. Espicially sense it will cost us in the ancient age to build another one.

In my last game, I lost my first worker doing this exact strategy. I popped the nearest hut and got barbs. Let's not lose our first worker, OK?

Originally posted by Bootstoots
Inter, was that hut popped after you'd already had a military unit, but didn't have it at the time? I think that if a civ has never had a military unit before, the civ has no chance of getting barbs from a hut; though I could be wrong, I'm fairly sure of that (otherwise, barbs could conceivably pop out of a hut before a city is built and kill your first settler).

yeah bootstoots, thats what I meant. If you dont have a warrior or Spearman or anything I dont think barbs will pop up.

Originally posted by amirsan


yeah bootstoots, thats what I meant. If you dont have a warrior or Spearman or anything I dont think barbs will pop up.

you can get barbs from a hut anytime. even if your first city's level 1 radius at 4000BC pop the hut, it can still happen. the same goes for using the worker before founding the first city.

Originally posted by D'yer Mak'er


you can get barbs from a hut anytime. even if your first city's level 1 radius at 4000BC pop the hut, it can still happen. the same goes for using the worker before founding the first city.

No, I recall reading something a while back in the Stategy Forum or somewhere, about goody huts, I could try to dig it up if needed. It said what you could get from goody huts, like-
- Can't pop a settler if you have one, or are building one
- you can only pop ancient age techs, and can't pop a tech you are researching
- Expansionist civs can't get barbs from a hut
- you can't get barbs from a hut if you haven't built a unit with an Attack or Defense value

I beleve we should pop the goodie hut

I'm still of the opinion that the worker turns are better spent irrigating on turn 2 than popping the hut on turn 2 and not irrigating until turn 6. The 4 turns of movement would effectively double the cost of the first irrigation.

Originally posted by Bacon King


No, I recall reading something a while back in the Stategy Forum or somewhere, about goody huts, I could try to dig it up if needed. It said what you could get from goody huts, like-
- Can't pop a settler if you have one, or are building one
- you can only pop ancient age techs, and can't pop a tech you are researching
- Expansionist civs can't get barbs from a hut
- you can't get barbs from a hut if you haven't built a unit with an Attack or Defense value

dah! you're probably right. i remember now that my own experience was with a barb camp, not a goody hut, right beside my start. sorry for any confusion caused.

Also, I think the most important question is: Has anybody popped a hut and gotten barbs while playing vanilla civ?

Originally posted by DaveShack
I'm still of the opinion that the worker turns are better spent irrigating on turn 2 than popping the hut on turn 2 and not irrigating until turn 6. The 4 turns of movement would effectively double the cost of the first irrigation.

The *goody* from the goody hut could far outweigh the few turns we'd lose by using our industrious worker to pop it. We could choose a tech we don't want in the hopes of getting one we do want. A second settler would be a great advantage. If we only get gold or maps then we only lose a couple turns. I say we pop the bugger!

SO POP THE HUT! :D

I agree; let's pop the hut.

The hut was popped... we have Bulgarian party crashers now...

Our damaged warriors attacked them valiantly. All were lost.
The Bulgarian raiders killed 20,000 civilians in Deux Revières after a controversial emergency poll. The poll was required after the Minister of Defense left and was no longer supporting previous decisions.

It was fun! :-)

After this has happen. All further goodie huts will be and should be treated as Barb Huts. The Military Department will now post instructions stating NOT to pop the goodie hut unless its deemed safe in the polls.

Originally posted by CivGeneral
After this has happen. All further goodie huts will be and should be treated as Barb Huts. The Military Department will now post instructions stating NOT to pop the goodie hut unless its deemed safe in the polls.

Will the Miltary Department be posting any polls regarding the popping of said huts?

Originally posted by donsig
Will the Miltary Department be posting any polls regarding the popping of said huts?

The Military Department will post polls regarding poping such and such a hut that we encounter.

We have encountered one that is in dire need of popping. Poll away!

We have encountered one that is in dire need of popping. Poll away!

Let us not have this mistake lead us into a hasty process. Can we have the prerequisite 24 hours of discussion first? ;)

Why did we pop it with a warrior?

The President correctly followed the legally posted instruction of the Military Department.

Assuming Governor Plexus puts one in the queue, we can finish a warrior prior to popping the current hut. If there is anything else to build (barracks maybe) we should ensure that we're building something other than a settler or warrior at the time the hut is popped.

Did we go with random barb level? Getting warriors from huts could mean we're on "raging". :eek:

Originally posted by DaveShack
Assuming Governor Plexus puts one in the queue, we can finish a warrior prior to popping the current hut. If there is anything else to build (barracks maybe) we should ensure that we're building something other than a settler or warrior at the time the hut is popped. I think this calls for a discussion on buildqueues as well. Currently in queue: settler. I think we need some extra warriors now. Especially since ... Originally posted by DaveShack Did we go with random barb level? Getting warriors from huts could mean we're on "raging". :eek: ... barbs are random and seem to be raging or at least very high. We need protection from barbs. I don't like sending out Fanatican families on a settling quest unguarded.

... barbs are random and seem to be raging or at least very high. We need protection from barbs. I don't like sending out Fanatican families on a settling quest unguarded.

I second that.

Adding my call for the Governor to please change the build queue to replace our dearly departed Chuck warrior unit.