This was requested a couple times since I've been at CFC, which seems like forever now. Anyway, in the latest request thread, there was some debate over what the unit should wear. Well, I did what I thought best. It's not my best work, but it'll do the trick. Oh! The civ-specific colors do work pretty nicely!

I believe--form what I've read here at CFC--that this unit would be associated with Dacia, but I dunno . . . never heard of 'em. ;)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/Falxman_First_Preview.gif

Download (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/Falxman.zip).

AWESOME! :D

Dacia was an area in the northern Balkan Penninsula, near the Thracians, and all those other Slavik and Balkan ancient civs.

@Utha, but in the same light, is there nay other troops that you have heard from Dacia ;)

BTW, awesome unit. This can be used for so many different things.. thanks for finally doing this. :goodjob:

Originally posted by Xen
@Utha, but in the same light, is there nay other troops that you have heard from Dacia ;)

The only thing I've heard about Dacia is this unit. :)

your normal good job:goodjob:

Looks very nice :goodjob:

He looks like one of the Wiggles having a bad day! ;)

Very Clean and Sharp Sword Maneuvering Animation utahjazz7
:goodjob: His Sword Moves creates a look of Great Skill.

@ UtahJazz7: Ah, excellent. And now on to the Hornet Bomber, right? No? Well can I at least try to make a copy and paste unit from your Seperatist and Black Cat sometime this year. It would be a UU for a Bosnian civ.

@ Xen: What civ should get this? Right now it just looks like a pirate swordsman. Mayba a Byzantine warrior, or barbarian unit?

Jazz!
that looks cool :thumbsup:

Very nice. :goodjob:

@aaminion00- the Main game civ best suited to get the unit would be the Russians IMO

Great as usual.

Great unit :thanx:

Great and very universal :goodjob:

Definetly a cool unit,...

Think I'll give 'im to the Hittites.

Originally posted by god_money
Definetly a cool unit,...

Think I'll give 'im to the Hittites. That is quite plausible. The Hittite sword looked like a sickle. Good idea :thumbsup:

except the hittites men didnt wear beanies on thier heads, and didnt go into war shirtless (and didnt use slavs in thier armies, but whos counting ;))

Originally posted by Xen
except the hittites men didnt wear beanies on thier heads, and didnt go into war shirtless (and didnt use slavs in thier armies, but whos counting ;)) Well, some Hittite headgear bears similarities with the Thracian-cap from afar. And if the Falxman would be used, as I intended for the Hittites, as a tribal Auxilla swordsman, in all his shirtlessness it also seems plausible.

if you want Hittites look not to thrace, but to Babylon, and Syria for units

If I want an Anatolian mountain-dweller, then why on Earth would I look to Babylon or Assyria? You must understand that this falxman is somewhat similar to Anatolian warriors of the period 1600-700 BC. It has nothing to do with what he is meant to be.


I’m also using him for my Thracians, so thank you utahjazz, for a very useful unit. :goodjob:

You're all dumbasses. He's obviously Zulu :rolleyes:

Actually I'll make this guy the Arab swordsman.

Yes, we are indeed all dumbasses for discussing the possible use for this good-looking unit...


I recall you asked for that earlier in this thread.

Sarcasm, and not meant in offense to you two. Sorry if it wasn't clear

Originally posted by Xen
@aaminion00- the Main game civ best suited to get the unit would be the Russians IMO

Or the Austrians? They are the closest thing to a Balkan Civ as it is.

well, yes the Austrians as well, but not everyone likes modding the games Civs-so for the main game, with no modded civ choices, your best best use for this guy is as a Russian swordsman replacement

Ok.

He has a cap, trousers, and a curved single-edged sword. He could be pretty much WHATEVER you would want him to be!

:rolleyes:

except the swoard is also double handed- a trait more or less unique to Dacian falcatas ;)

I thought Falcata's were Spanish?

err, not falcata's, but Falxs' ;)

Cheers!! :thumbsup:

Using it as a flavour for my Israeli civ - I know, before anyone comments, it's not necessarily accurate for the Israelis, but that's my choice. ;)

pretty good :borg: :die:

Hm,
gents..
Falxmen are from Dacia.
perhaps have a look at this website ??

http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/armies/II52.html

Cemo

Wow. You bumped this to say something that was stated in the first post.

For what it's worth, this unit's weapon should probably be turned around (concave strike point) like a scythe blade, or double-curved (forward weighted convex strike point) like a yataghan.

The Dacians were Dacians and don't elegantly fit any of the game's stock civs.

I think that this unit should belong to Germany because the Danube is a Germanic River.

Awesome...

Actually, the Dacians are pretty much in Romania, not Germany.

EDIT: Read what you said wrong. I suppose making them Germanic would make some sense. But what about giving them to the Austrians (the "extra" civ included in Conquests)?

I think that this unit should belong to Germany because the Danube is a Germanic River.

"germanic" and "german" do not mean the same thing in Roman times- "germans" was a name applied to ALL non Roman europeans- by default, the huns were Roman germans, but we all know that isnt the case.

didnt people in eastern europe use it? like in romania? durring the roman times

I meant the best Civ to give it to that is in the game. Austria is not an actual civ in the game.

I just re-read this thread and realized I wasn't the first person to think of Austria (its been a long time, so don't blaim me ;) ).

Hey Xen, what about the possibility of giving it to the Byzantines. Did they ever recruit troops from Dacia?

yes
thats it Dacia!
they had this weapon

as for austria all the stuff is in the text and the flcs are there it takes 1 minute to change one civ for austria ^ ^;;

guys its ok, just let anybody use it for whatever they want

I just re-read this thread and realized I wasn't the first person to think of Austria (its been a long time, so don't blaim me ;) ).

Hey Xen, what about the possibility of giving it to the Byzantines. Did they ever recruit troops from Dacia?

nah, by the tim eof the Byzantines Dacia wasnt much of anything, a stomping ground for romanized goths (or Gothisized Romans as the case may be from time to time) but not much of anything troop wise- after the Romans conqoured, the more or less left thier stamp and seal of approval on the area, and native ways of fighting died out more or less, as the dacians looked to he peoples around them for influence.

what was there durring Roman times?
I know some tribe was there in around romania or turkey
and were famous for that weapon
does it sound familiar?
my teacher even called it a Flax

what was there durring Roman times?
I know some tribe was there in around romania or turkey
and were famous for that weapon
does it sound familiar?
my teacher even called it a Flax

The Dacians- and they were farmore then a tribe- when rome coqnored them, they were the only other full fledged mation/kingdom in all europe- a big achievment considering that discounting Rome, thier wouldnt be any others for nearly 2- 3 centuries afterwards, and even then, thoese were still cheifedoms developing into somthign more complex

Dacians or Getae were the Northern braunch of the Thracians.
Dacians came in the today Romanian and Moldavien terytories plus till Danube at West(till today Budapest, Hungary), south of Danube (part of today Bulgaria) and till Bug river in today Ukraine. Dacians moved on this places in the same time (2000 BC) as Greeks moved in today Greece.
First Dacians were fomed of several tribes (seek wikipedia for Dacia). Their kings are known beginninng with VII century BC.
But the centralised Dacian state appeared in the II century BC and the Big Dacia the Romans had to fight for almost 2 centuries had its starting point in I century BC, more precisely after 82 BC, when King Burebista took the throne.

Dacia developed a high civilisation in medicine, agriculture, metal working, urban expansion, and trade. They had rich Gold, silver and Iron mines. In 1 century BC and 1 century AD Dacia developed also an awesome military force that opposed the Imperial Rome for 2 centuries.

Problem was the young forming nation with its fresh statal organisation met the Imperial Rome, a force that almost sent Dacia into oblivion.

Conclusion is it would be historically fair to give Dacia what its belongging her: This UU at least.

And after the Aurelian retreat in 271-275 there are now evidence that the Doaco-romans that remained reformed for several centuries Dacia, but it couldn't resist long the Barbarians invasions and coplapsed into several mini states. Some of the barbarians who passed through today Romanian and Moldavian teritory mixed with the local population and lost their cultural traits. So today Romanians are mostly a mix of Dacians and Romans with some extra blood from some migratory populations.

Thanks for the history lesson. I just added a new civ to a mod I'm working on.;)

The reason why i am bumping this thread is because i would like this unit to be made properly, kuz it is historicaly inaccurate and utahjazz7 may want to repent or live his entire life in shame for what he did :evil:.

Without this unit, my mod(s) will never be realeased until it is PERFECTLY made. :)

The unit is very nicely made EXCEPT his sword. They call him a FALXman because he has a FALX and i don't see any.
From cemo1956's site :
http://www.fanaticus.org/DBA/images/armies/daci01.jpg
Like redking said the weapon should be turned around. And you should also make it longer and more curbed:
http://www.gk.ro/sarmizegetusa/ranistorum/site_eng/Images/falx2.jpg

This fat guy shows here why the sword looks like this :
http://www.gk.ro/sarmizegetusa/ranistorum/site_eng/Images/falx_02.jpg

So you must modify your unit or suffer the wrath of Zamolxis. :crazyeye: Or rename this unit to "Guy with a sword". :)

"Guy with a sword" it is. :)

Ggrrrrrrr ! :mad:

God, you sound worse than ED with his shadow issues. Nobody even notices the fuggin shadows...

And, Utah, just for the record, I love you unit, my favorite use for it is of coarse the Indic Corsair from the WH mod :D

Shadows - units have shadows ? :hammer2:

But this IS important because it is a unique kind of sword (in the game) and this would be noticed.

No it wouldn`t... how many people are big fans of falxs? Raise your hand? Anyone? Who`s the real Slim Shady? Please stand up.. C`mon, the unit looks sweet, better request something new :)

Here's a question - why did everyone wanted to change the persian immortal because it was not historicaly acurate ? It looks a lot crappier with a spear than with the sword. But still ppl wanted to change it. Are they fans of spears ?

Yes, the are :D Also, they, whoever it was, C`n`P-ed the spear, and I think it looks pretty good. Also, thats a whole different weapon, in this case he just holds the darn thing the wrong way :) Nowhere does it say its a "skilled" falxman :p

Well actually the sword has to be longer and has to look like hook not like a falchion or iatagan.

This is not a "sword" actually it is not used for slashing, it is used to break shields, skuls and rib-cages in one blow.
EDIT: which is fun :)

Ask Dark Sheer to try something with it, he`s back- big style! Or some of the other Sith Lords of C`n`P, like LizardmenRule!, or Winter or someone..

EDIT: Oh yes, it is fun! :D

Ask Dark Sheer to try something with it, he`s back- big style! Or some of the other Sith Lords of C`n`P, like LizardmenRule!, or Winter or someone..



I'll ask RomanLegion first kuz he is already helping me with the towers, if he doesn't have the time than i suppose i will ask someone else...

EDIT: Oh yes, it is fun! :D
I remember finding the "Skullsplitter" unique weapon in Diablo 2 - and in the stage of the game i was in it was really crappy - but i was using it just because it looked cool and because it had the words "skull" and "split" in it's name. :evil:

Heretic Cata, you have my sympathy in looking for an accurate portrayal to use in a mod. On the other hand, bumping this thread revealed to me a unit I like and can use as is for a south asian mod. So thank you for being unhappy enough to bump the thread.

I might be able to help, check this out. I have redrawn the sword, tell me how close Iam to being accurate. I as well Prefer everything to be as close as possible to historically accurate, and I HATE fantasy unit's(well most of them:D) not that the unit's aren't good quality, I prefer historical units. and HC, I might be able to finish this for you, not really that much work in that unit to re-do.

You're welcome Blue Monkey. (i think)

Finnaly some ppl that like historical accuracy (you and RL). :)
@Blue Monkey: Might i ask ... what unit are you going to use this one as ?

I think I did a good job, for something that took less than 2 minutes.

I think I did a good job, for something that took less than 2 minutes.

It is perfect :goodjob:.

I could make a munit of the Falxman for Dacia... It wouldn´t be much difficulty.

I could make a munit of the Falxman for Dacia... It wouldn´t be much difficulty.

A multi-figure unit ? Well... i don't use any m-units in my mod(s). Maybe if someone else would like this ...
But it's nice to see there are ppl intrested in this unit... :)

Judging from HC's picture, the blade should be a bit more curved.

Judging from HC's picture, the blade should be a bit more curved.
I think that one is preety good ...
:hmm: I think i need to see the unit atack with it (when RL is going to finnish it) maybe that would make me see if it needs to be a little more curved.

(What's all this activity in this old thread? I think I'll go and find out...)

Oh!

I like historical accuracy, and coming from a Romanian I guess this request has special "oomph," but still I'm happy with the unit as is because otherwise we wouldn't have anything even close to a falxman. 'Course if the C-n-P version gets released, then I'll use that.

Well, If you look at some of my older thread's, not only did a Romanian(my friend Heretic_Cata) but an American,(Me) asked alot for Historical accurate, other wise you might as well give a warrior an M-16, or Spearman, with an FN P-90. If you want to support Historical unit's, and not fantasy unit's, Copy, and paste this to your signature."Help stop fantasy unit's from killing off Historical unit's, Join us"

Copy, and paste this to your signature."Help stop fantasy unit's from killing off Historical unit's, Join us"
:lol:
I'm not that against non-historical accuracy. But i won't use a unit as a Falxman without a falx, just like i won't use a Chu Ko Nu without a chu ko nu. If the things i use ARE in history then they MUST be accurate. Kuz my mod will have a holy hand grenade around (and maybe other stuff like that). I use these things as a reflection to my contradictory personality - i use some SF stuff, but i will fight to the death for historical accuracy :evil:. I don't believe in most of what the church believes in (hence the name Heretic) - but i will always defend it. And i have other stuff like that.

(this is one of the explanations to why my mod has some things ppl think are wierd) - you can ask me about others ... but later

Kuz my mod will have a holy hand grenade around Is it a WWP mod?

Is it a WWP mod?

I don't know what a WWP is, but i will make a beta-test thread for my mod in 2-3 weeks where i will give lots of other details.
Note: The Holy Hand Grenade will not be in the first mod. :p (or maybe it will be if i reconsider...)

oh come on HC, add my ANTI-Fantasy text, on your signature.

:lol:
Ok :) - but i will probably remove it by september. Kuz my fourth mod (if there will ever be one) will be made from a fantasy game (it's a secret which one). :D

@Cata, WWP is the Worms:World Party video game.

@Cata, WWP is the Worms:World Party video game.
:lol: :lol:
Actually the Fallout game inspired me to want the HolyHG in my mod. But Worms inspired me to want to have a haleluja song when it explodes. :lol:

allright, Ill probbably take it off then too, and ill get back to my work today, and be careful with that holy hand grenade, try not to blow up any rabbit's.

Don't worry - i'll only blow up killer rabbits. :crazyeye:

"what's Your Quest?" "To seek the holy grail" "What's your favorite color?" "red..no Blue!!!" "ahhhh"
man that movie was funny. but do you already have th Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch?

Nope - not yet. :)

Im too busy to make that right now, so try asking someone else to make that, but it will be funny to see in the game won't it.

Let´s use Holy hand Grenades! Or why not a "Ming Vase"?

U, u, uuu, i want a "Concrete donkey" and a "Magic Bullet" and "Armagedon".

ooops i'm threadjacking again...:mischief:

As usual, I only read threads that are already a week (et al) old and not in need of my opinion but I would like to see the falxman redone. I was the one harping on about it in the RFRE thread and was dissapointed when I finally saw the attack anim.
These were a fierce weapon in the hands of the Thracians and Dacians. In fact, it is the only hand weapon ever that caused the Romans to redesign their armour. During the later stages of the Dacian wars, legionaries were fitted out with swordarm segmented armour and a long protective crest at the back of their helmets.

As usual, I only read threads that are already a week (et al) old and not in need of my opinion but I would like to see the falxman redone. I was the one harping on about it in the RFRE thread and was dissapointed when I finally saw the attack anim.
These were a fierce weapon in the hands of the Thracians and Dacians. In fact, it is the only hand weapon ever that caused the Romans to redesign their armour. During the later stages of the Dacian wars, legionaries were fitted out with swordarm segmented armour and a long protective crest at the back of their helmets.


Do you have a picture of what you would be more happy with?

Do you have a picture of what you would be more happy with?
I think the pictures i posted are detailed enough: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3783831&postcount=52

They certainly demonstrate proper use of the weapon. But, I was wondering if a new unit might look different than this original version. I'm not interested in making the same unit again with just the falx turned around. :(

Some of these guys seem to think that they are in a position they can make "customer complains" :lol: ;)

They certainly demonstrate proper use of the weapon. But, I was wondering if a new unit might look different than this original version. I'm not interested in making the same unit again with just the falx turned around. :(
I'm sure nobody would complain if you made a more accurate falxman from scratch! :lol: :)

They certainly demonstrate proper use of the weapon. But, I was wondering if a new unit might look different than this original version. I'm not interested in making the same unit again with just the falx turned around. :(
But the unit can't be more historicaly accurate than it is (regarding the clothes and everything).
And YOU DO NOT HAVE TO TURN THE SWORD AROUND - YOU HAVE TO MAKE A NEW ONE. :p It is not curved, nor big enough to look properly turned around.

The images I posted on the RFRE site were actually digi photos taken from a tv prog. unfortunately, I don't think I still have them. The unit as it stands is a little naked though. These guys would have had a leather or loose mail vest for armour. They were not nobles by any means - the falx is actually more normally used to clear long grass on a farm!
Also, I would like to apologise to you, Utahjazz7, if I gave the impression that I was dissapointed with your work. The animation is, of course, your usual excellent standard. My dissapointment is that the unit's weapon was inaccurate. I think you simply didn't have an accurate source picture to work from and I don't think that reflects in any way on your abilities as a unit creator. Again, apologies if I offended.

Actualy all the pics i found with the falxman were with that many clothes utahjazz made them. It would be a little strange though not having anything... Anyway it could be either a peasant flax shirt or a wimpy leather armour. (But IMO it looks better as it is now ... it makes it look more savage and barbaric :evil:)
Except for the falx of course :p.

Rome Total War agrees with you. Even in the height of winter, those boys are running around half naked swinging their falx's! The probably have a secondary nipple stab attack!

RTW, is one of the best games on my list.

I'm sure nobody would complain if you made a more accurate falxman from scratch! :lol: :)

Well, probably not. :)

I just would rather work on something that I haven't done before. Switching weapons and having something that looks the same, just isn't all that fun.

(i never played RTW - crappy computer) We like the cold. :D The nipple stab is not to good, the nipple twist is more painfull. :mischief:

I just would rather work on something that I haven't done before. Switching weapons and having something that looks the same, just isn't all that fun.Yea but it's the right thing to do. :)

or just use your Gladius and cut that dude's nipple off.(MOST PAINFUL.)

I think he meant the nipple would be a weapon when its cold, you could stab people with them :lol:

That's also the impression that I got.

That was it, guys! A most ingenious and viscious weapon!

asdfghjklqwertyuiomnbvcxz????

I think he meant the nipple would be a weapon when its cold, you could stab people with them :lol:
:crazyeye: Now i get it. :hammer2:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

What's with the alphabet there RL ?

Yes indeed! A bunch of seemingly non-related letters... or are they? Maybe it's a cheat for RTW. It's how you perform the nipple stab attack or something!

Yes indeed! A bunch of seemingly non-related letters... or are they? Maybe it's a cheat for RTW. It's how you perform the nipple stab attack or something!
Those letters are related - it starts with the second row on the keyboard from left to right, then the 1st row but he forgot to put the "p" there and now goes to the 3rd row but over here he starts from the right and goes left.
:)

Really raises more questions than it answers, though!

actually, it's just gibberish. thought it was funny at the time.:D