Here it is... I don't know if it's spelled correctly, but I spelled it how Xen had it. The Legonarii Fulminata.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/Fulminata.jpg


Legonarii Fulminata (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/Legonarii_Fulminata.zip)


http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/fulminatagif.gif


Unfortunately, I'm a moron ;) and I forgot to take into account civ-specific colors when I rendered it. I tried to use the existing red, but as those who makes units know, red doesn't translate too well to civ-specific colors... so here it is without civ-specific colors, but it's red, Rome's red, not a huge deal.


And I'll redo it with civ-specific colors. I plan to just take all the reds and make them blue. If you would rather have it otherwise, speak now or forever hold your peace.

Looks great! Would this be a roman Pikeman replacement?

***first post!:goodjob: ***

Looks great dude! Shadows look good. An Animated preview would be nice. Good work.:goodjob:

No, its a musketman flavor unit.

Originally posted by Dom Pedro II
No, its a musketman flavor unit.

I can see that now - very cool!

YES! It's finished. Right, it's not much of a problem, as Rome is red. This is so cool. I remember the original request thread...

EDIT: I just viewed it, it looks great, but don't you think it runs a little slowly?

Well, he's supposed to be lumbering somewhat with the shield and the armor... still moves at the same speed on the map though.

Originally posted by Dom Pedro II


If you would rather have it otherwise, speak now or forever hold your peace.
You mean Download now:p I am DL it now and I think I like it better with the red, so I won't upgrade. WHy not just offer two DL's: One civ color and plus the one you have now?

:goodjob: Well I am very happy for the arrival of this fabulous unit, and definantly is Xen. He should through an online toga party now. :)

No, i was referring to giving in put as to whether it should be all one civ-specific color just replacing all of the red in this one. or if the shield should always be red and the tunic civ-specific, etc.

W000000000000000000000000000000T!!!!!!!

thank you thank you thank thank you! :D

awesoem job dom, can wait to get it into my game! (and you, along with the latest utahjazz project, have brought the 100 AD scenario all this much closer to completion)

as for civ speicif coulurs- yes, for that version replace ALL the red with blue, iot will help him look uniform, and coherent :)

thats pretty damn good.

Excellent work Dom.

Fabulous! :goodjob: Your skill just keeps improving.

Best,

Oz

nicely done. :)

Gun and a shield?

LOL
Looks like fun :) ;)

Thanks Dom. :)

Nice. May be your best unit. Wonderful animation and superb death.

So. I agree with aaglo. The musket looks like an earliest renaissance or a light cavalry pistol. And he looks so strange –defenceless- with only one slow fire attack and these heavy shield.
How about to give him a alternative defend animation? Are you working on?

It would be so strong if we could get this in an 2 row M-unit, combined with roman pikemen (based on Utahjazz heavy legio or scutatio).

Yours,

Ah, btw, I love your flavour units.

Originally posted by Xen
W000000000000000000000000000000T!!!!!!!

thank you thank you thank thank you! :D

awesoem job dom, can wait to get it into my game! (and you, along with the latest utahjazz project, have brought the 100 AD scenario all this much closer to completion)

as for civ speicif coulurs- yes, for that version replace ALL the red with blue, it will help him look uniform, and coherent :)



Happy are we?;) :p

Looks cool, Dom Pedro :)

Very Ornate and detailed animation Dom Pedro II...Looks Very Good.

Dom Pedro,

I think if you use flicster and extract it with the pallette for red and then paste your other pcx's in I think it will automatically get the civ colors in. It takes a few minutes, atleast it worked for me one time before.

PS Awesome unit

I dont think it's necessary to redo it with civ colors... unless you think it could also be used with the byzantines (not that it'd make much difference, they're usually dark red anyways...right?)

yes, this unit would also be a reasonable Byzantine flavor unit (though I could easilly come up with somthing uniquelly Byzantine!)

I must second Sen's WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!:goodjob: Wonderful! Personally, I think he could be maybe 40-50% faster but otherwise, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!:D

Originally posted by Xen
W000000000000000000000000000000T!!!!!!!


Absolutly!Moreat :eek: :goodjob: :D

:thumbsup::thumbsup: Now I have the perfect late age flavor unit for my Thyatian civ in my mod.

The speed is an issue, I admit... but one I was unable to correct. I originally changed the speed, but for whatever reason, when I tried to recompile them after adjusting the positioning of the unit, it keep the speeds I had set and I couldn't alter them from the default setting *shrugs*... I'll play around with it and see what I can do.

Oh. Too bad. It's still great though. BTW, how do you change the speed?

on a side note, I thinks its a coincidence this unit was finished just in time for my birthday, but what a cool coincidence it is :goodjob:

Happy Birthday

:bday:

[dance]

Great unit, btw :goodjob:

FANTASTIC!!!

:thanx:

Very cool, whats next for roman units?

just out of curiocity, how historically acurate is it?

That unit is great:D
I'll add it to my own mod immediatly

Originally posted by Johann MacLeod
just out of curiocity, how historically acurate is it?

The Romans never actually had guns, but for the armor, etc, the historical detail I believe was follwed very meticulously. Just look at the detail on the unit!:goodjob:

Originally posted by Madeira
Very cool, whats next for roman units?

I have a few ideas I'm throwing around in my head at the moment, though fairlly soon, Aaglo should be starting work on a Roman Ballista :)

But there is wrong units_32.pcx file in the zip...
Is there the right one anywhere?

Originally posted by Dom Pedro II
Here it is... I don't know if it's spelled correctly, but I spelled it how Xen had it. The Legonarii Fulminata.


The correct Latin singular would be Legionarius Fulminator (assuming you mean "Lightning thrower")

The plural would be Legionarii Fulminatores.

thats wrong- we (Throgrmme and myself) wanted justLightning= Fulminata - namelly in my opion, "Fulminator " sounds uterrlly stupid- Fulminta sounde better in both latin, and translated- which would you rather have "lightning", "lightning thorwer"- its all a question of verbal asthetics, one that fulminata wins every time ;)

My aesthetic sense goes with Fulminator, so there. :p

but please stop pretending to know what goes on the mind of the people who come up with the ideas, and concept for a unit- including the name- because fact is, only we know what we are exactley thinking when we come up with a name, and no one else- the current name of Fulminata stands as is.

Originally posted by Xen
"Fulminator " sounds uterrlly stupid- Fulminta sounde better in both latin [...]

Hmmm ... I wonder how Quintius Fabius Maximus, the Cunctator ("Delayer") who caused Hannibal's defeat in Italy, would have felt being called the "Cunctata" ... :p

-Oz

That sounds dirty... but I'm not completely sure why... :crazyeye:


We can call him the Fulminator if we can get an Arnold Schwarzanagger-sounding voice clip for him... ;)

Originally posted by Dom Pedro II
That sounds dirty... but I'm not completely sure why... :crazyeye:


We can call him the Fulminator if we can get an Arnold Schwarzanagger-sounding voice clip for him... ;)

Yes, the fortify sound should definately be something like "Prepare to be fulminated!"

Don't know what you meant and don't know (and care) if you think that Fulminator sounds stupid (to a Latin or Italian speaker, Fulminata sounds ridiculous for a single male man!)

Fact is that the EXACT Latin translations are:
Thunderbolt = Fulmen (not fulminata)
Thunderbolt thrower = Fulminator (it also was one of the appellative of Jupiter)

Fulminata literally means "stricken by a thunderbolt" and it is accusative feminine plural, NOT subject male singular as a name for a male singular should be.

I (wrongly?) assumed you were thinking of a unit which "threw" thunderbolts, not being hit by them!

BTW, Fulminata was also the "cognomen" (name) of Ceasar's XII legio, firstly used against the Helvetii and it (feminine) was called so because its symbol was a thunderbolt.

first off, who said any of us were single?

secondlly, I'm not itallian, hence my general not careing if if it sounds ridculous in that language or not- dont mean to be an ass, but I'm just giving the blunt truth of the matter to you...

the fact of the matter is, we took the name fulminata because it was shrotend version of terra fulminata- which, IIRC,could be used as "earthlly lightning"- hence the name "fulminata"

Originally posted by Startaff

BTW, Fulminata was also the "cognomen" (name) of Ceasar's XII legio, firstly used against the Helvetii and it (feminine) was called so because its symbol was a thunderbolt.

BTW, I know all of names of the legions- you have no need to tell me, I'm am affirmed ROman by blood and by modern culture :yeah:- and belive me, I know my history

If I said "single man" I was obviously not referring to you.
I was referring to the unit.

Assuming it is a (1) Legionnaire, I assumed HE is a man (or he's not?)
Therefore he's male, while Fulminata is female.

Again "terra fulminata" translates into "earth stricken by a thunderbolt" (but it should be "terra fulminatam") and not into "earthly thunderbolt", which could be something like "fulmen terrae".

I did not know how much you know about Legions. I was just thinking about how the "fulminata" name came by.

I don't understand what do you mean about being an "affirmed ROman by blood and by modern culture".
What has this to do with ancient Rome and the Latin language?
I'm 100% Italian and I know that our only link with ancient Rome is (partly) our current language. And this is how Italians generally think about it.

Last: assuming that a forum is a place where one finds and gives advice, I (wrongly) assumed you misspelled a Latin name and tried to provide help.
Obviously you can give your units the names you like, and even invent a new language to spell them.

its a one legionary representation of somthing that would be about the size of a cohort, assuming that an army is a full legion

as for the name- thank you for clearing it up, though I myself wont be changeing the name of the unit

as for the bit abut my bloodlines- simply notifing that if you want to show off a knowldge of Roman histpry, you've picked the wrong person to try and impress ;)

Originally posted by Xen
as for the bit abut my bloodlines- simply notifing that if you want to show off a knowldge of Roman histpry, you've picked the wrong person to try and impress ;)

Again, you see an attack where there is none!

I was not showing any special knowledge of Roman history and I'm not interested in impressing anybody (expecially somebody I don't know and living on the other side of an ocean).
I can very easily concede that your knowledge of Roman history is better than mine.
I was just making LINGUISTIC remarks, which have NOTHING to do with the Roman history itself.

I just said that TODAY's Italians don't care much about their Latin ancestors and, MOST OF ALL, there is very little connection between modern Italians (and Romans) and ancient Romans.
Therefore (and here is where you felt an attack?), being Roman does NOT guarantee to be expert of ancient Latin culture.

To end the story, if I'd create an English/American unit and call it the "tunderbool", I'd be not upset if somebody would suggest the correct spelling.

It is amazing to me that a seventeen year old can think he knows everything about a subject, and can be so bold as to dictate to his elders who have had more time to study the subject, live in the subject, and develop comprehensive knowledge of the subject and how it relates to the entire continuum of human experience and history. It is simply astounding. :crazyeye:

then be amazed no more- for he posts here ;)

Originally posted by Kal-el
It is amazing to me that a seventeen year old can think he knows everything about a subject, and can be so bold as to dictate to his elders who have had more time to study the subject, live in the subject, and develop comprehensive knowledge of the subject and how it relates to the entire continuum of human experience and history. It is simply astounding. :crazyeye:

lol:goodjob:

But we were all 17 once, and knew everything then, too....

Either way I love the unit and really don't care who calls it what.

until you can find someone who dose know more then I on the Roman empire- or perhaps i should say has the resouces to know just about anything about Rome, combined with an extenisve knowledge of it... well, if you can find someone more like that, then I'll stop dicteing, but since such a person has not yet come up, nor I think will for a very long time, I rightfully claim it as my perogative- and none have yet proved that it isnt

I'm not insulting you at all. You know more about the Roman empire than I do and your unit making abilities far exceed mine. I think you are doing a great job. Keep up the good work.

I just thought Kal-Els statement was funny, and it is true that as a teenager you think you know everything. Nothing personal, we all did it at that age and anybody who tells you differently is lying.

But seriously, who cares? this is a good unit, I plan on using it, and everybody has the right and ability to call it whatever they want.

Yep, I just started working with high school students and they just crack me up. Then I remember what I was like ten years ago and I have to smile. :)

at 17 I had hair down to my waist and was 100% sure my stupid little garage band was going to make me rich....

Xen - you have proven yourself to be a great unit maker, and I eagerly await all of your upcoming work!

I didnt make the unit- I, along with THorgrimme, who diserve FAR more credit then I, came uo with the concept for it- hellm I did little more then lend support to the idea- but the NEXT Roman unit- oh yes, I think many will get a kick out of it ;)

Now that I look, You are right, DP2 made it, and he is a well established unit maker. If only someone had some ideas for some really unusual units like dinos or something......;)

I cannot wait for his korean and chinese
T_T everytime I start to play my game, I find cool things to add
so I keep editing

The name sounds just fine :goodjob: :spank: Great Unit couldn't of done better myself!

The name sounds just fine :goodjob: :spank: Great Unit couldn't of done better myself!:lol:

EDIT: OOPSS Doulble post :wallbash: :wallbash: :wallbash:

And now a word from Thorgrimm

Gentlemen, the name that has been argued about comes from the Latin Saying "terra Fulminata" which according to a friend who is a professor of Latin at the university of Minnesota, means "earth armed with lightning." Now considering that the inventor of gunpowder witnessed the eruption of Vesuvius, which gave him the inspiration for it, the name is apropriate. And he also stated that the gender question does not hold with inanimate objects, as the Latin of the Ceasers was different from the Latin most people speak today. He also stated that the Romans would probably describe their troops as " Legionarius Fulminata". Meaning Armed with lightning, as a descriptive term for the UNIT, not the man, so i will be calling mine Legionarius Fulminata. Legion armed with lightning.
Cheers Thorgrimm

the Latin most people speak today


:lol:

Originally posted by Dom Pedro II



:lol:

... The Latin "spoken" today is "Italianate" -- we tend to pronounce "Cicero" "Siss-er-o" whereas purportedly the Romans would have pronounced it "Kick-er-o". Likewise Caesar's famous "Veni, Vidi, Vinci" ("I came, I saw, I conquered") would have been pronounced "Weenie, Weedy, Winky" -- and, for that matter, he would have been called something much closer to "Kaiser".

One might presume that habits of grammar etc. have likewise become codified ... ?

-- Just guessing :hmm:

:D ,

Oz

I would not say that even if I was payed to. God! Weenie, Weedy, Winky.

Originally posted by Wyrmshadow
Ozy i hate to be a buzzkill, but the saying was "Veni Vidi Vici," and it would be pronounced like this " when-ee, weed-ee, week-ee," just trying to be accurate. Cheers Thorgrimm

Me: Weenie, Winky.. :lol:

:lol: Well, I never claimed to be a Latin scholar ... where's Xen when you need him??

Think I'm going with the Italians on this one - Legionarius Fulminator sounds good to me. Whatever you call it, though, this is a fine addition! Combined with the Siege Tower & Ballista, this has been a FINE week for the Romans!

I still say the name sounds weird

The first thing I was told when studying Latin is that it is not the Latin that was used by the Catholic Church. C's are closer to a K sound, and V's have a W sound. Also, incidentally, there weren't any U's as far as I can tell (they just used more V's)

*shudders* I HATED Latin class for the almost three weeks I took it... the teacher kept hitting on me and it was really making me uncomfortable.

Haha.. if you think Latin is weird try to learn Tsalagi (Cherokee)..

Boy, I really think we need to upgrade our language, phonetics suck, and the lack of ways to Tsalagify English words, bleh.

Dom, was this teacher nice-looking? If a teacher would be hitting on me, and was nice-looking, I'd be in her pants to get outstanding grades. :cool:

Anyways, I'm definantly going to make this the Roman arquebusier flavor unit for my upcoming mod.

A more Napoleonic musketman look for this unit would make a great Roman musketman flavor unit for my mod as well. As well as a Roman flavor rifleman. The Italian infantry is good for the Roman flavor infantry unit.

Can't wait til' the Hwarang. :)

Very Nice.

About that units_32 file? The one with the unit is the wrong one.

-E

Originally posted by Endureth
Very Nice.

About that units_32 file? The one with the unit is the wrong one.

-E

That's what I have been trying to say too...

@ ozymandias:
It's "Veni, vidi, vici", not "vinci". In Italy we don't pronounce it "See-se-ro" but "Chi-che-ro".

@ MarineCorps:
Never knew that the inventor of gunpowder witnessed the eruption of Vesuvio. Who is this genius nobody else knows?
Actually, in all the medieval military history books I read, invention of gunpowder was never credited to anybody else than the Chinese and several centuries after the eruption of Vesuvio!
It's common belief that gunpowder invention came from some casual experimentation by a lucky (?) alchimist.
I cannot see how somebody just looking at an eruption could have the idea of inventing the gunpowder.
It's like saying that just looking at the sun, one can have the idea and invent nuclear fusion.

Sigh.. ok listen, I dont want to pick a fight with anyone here, but I just cant bare to witness how you are beating up the latin language. So:

The only one in here who is totally correct as far as latin goes is Startaff. That is because he is italian. The rest of you are wrong in one way or another (xen probably being the worst, but he doesn't care).

As to the way latin should be pronounced, there are two ways to go. Either ancient latin (wich the romans spoke) or medieval latin (spoken during the middle ages obviously).
The most apparent difference between ancient and medieval latin is the pronounciation of words (or letters).
For example the word (or name rather) Caesar. In ancient Rome it would be pronounced "kaisar". In the middle ages it was pronounced "seesar", just like we do today.
The grammar of latin has barely changed since roman times, so the language is the same today as it was then..

If you can say "viking", then you can say "Veni, vidi, vici" the right way. Its a "V" sound, not a "W" sound.

There, sorry for my rant.. but I couldn't help it. ;)

If you can say "viking", then you can say "Veni, vidi, vici" the right way. Its a "V" sound, not a "W" sound.

Not the way Ceasar would have said it.

You said so yourself that there is Ancient Latin and Medieval Latin.

I guess he means the "right way" is either the Medieval way or the Ancient way...? But I imagine if it's Caesar's saying, then maybe there's something to be said for his way being the "right" way... :crazyeye:

Originally posted by Louis XXIV


Not the way Ceasar would have said it.

You said so yourself that there is Ancient Latin and Medieval Latin.

Originally posted by Mithadan

I guess he means the "right way" is either the Medieval way or the Ancient way...? But I imagine if it's Caesar's saying, then maybe there's something to be said for his way being the "right" way...

Alright, I admit, that sounds confusing (my fault), let me clear it out:

I was referring to the "V" sound, wich is the same in ancient and medieval latin. There is no "W" sound in the latin language.

Forget about the "right way" of saying it, just consider that Caesar spoke ancient latin, and he's the one who said it. And he would have pronounced it thus: "Veni, Vidi, Viki".
In medieval times it was: "Veni, Vidi, Vichi"


I would sell my soul to go back in time and hear him say it.. :D

Are you sure about that?

Although I admit I wasn't really good at Latin last year, I'm pretty sure I remember my course pronouncing video as "wideo". I noticed it because I almost always forgot to pronounce it that way. ;)

Well, thx superunknown but being Italian is not a sure pedigree for Latin knowledge ;-)

Anyway, I do know that actually, Latins had two very similar pronounciations - V and W - for the same written letter "V".

In fact, I recently read the "Life of twelve Caesars" of Svetonius and I discovered that one of them (could be Caligola, but I may recall wrongly) invented not less than 3 new letters to be introduced in the alphabet in order to write sounds which were not addressed by the available ones.
One of these new letters (whose shape I don't remember) was meant to be used as a U (or W, in English).

... Of course, even though I chimed in with "Veni, vidi, vinci [sic]" I'm curious -- does anyone know how the knowledge of how ancient and medieval Latin were pronounced been preserved?

Thanks,

Oz

Originally posted by ozymandias
... Of course, even though I chimed in with "Veni, vidi, vinci [sic]" I'm curious -- does anyone know how the knowledge of how ancient and medieval Latin were pronounced been preserved?

Thanks,

Oz

Good question!
I read several times about this thing of the U vs. V pronounciation but NEVER about how they discovered it!

Originally posted by ozymandias
... Of course, even though I chimed in with "Veni, vidi, vinci [sic]" I'm curious -- does anyone know how the knowledge of how ancient and medieval Latin were pronounced been preserved?

Thanks,

Oz

Some primary methods of discovering how ancient Latin was pronounced are...

i) Regressive analysis--starting with our knowledge of all languages which derive from Latin, and then trying to work backwards.

ii) Poetry analysis--looking at what words alliterated or rhymed in Latin poetry and using that to figure out how they were pronounced.

iii) Comparative analysis--looking at how speakers of other languages (e.g. ancient Greek) used their alphabets to render Latin words.

That having been said, ancient Latin pronunciation is still a matter of considerable debate.

As to the 'v', I believe that it was a voiced bi-labial fricative. In other words, similar to an English 'w' sound, but with the lips lightly touching (instead of in the 'whistling' position), producing a sound half-way between the English 'w' (bi-labial approximant) and the English 'v' (voiced labio-dental fricative).

@Ioseth -- Thank you! :)

-Oz

Nice unit but the pistol dont pass for a Roman Legionarie...

what? this unit is supposed to be a "what if" unit- in this case, whjat if the Roman empire, and attached culture of the time pf Trajan had survived, what a possible musket man would look like for it

Originally posted by jzsf
Nice unit but the pistol dont pass for a Roman Legionarie...

If this is a "modern" unit, the pistol is OK.

The problem is (IF we want to be picky about the realistic correctness) the shield!

The shield (and particularly the big Roman one) is the first thing dropped from a regular uniform once you get firearms because it totally impedes your movement, expecially in reloading.
And, obviously, it's completely useless vs. enemies armed with firearms too.
In Renaissance, the infamous Swiss Lanzichenecchi (sorry, I don't know the English version of their name), which were the "modern" version of the Macedonian Phalanx, made do with piques alone and no shield, as there was no way to defend themselves against firearms, apart from having a supporting body of cavalry or arquebusiers.

In any case, I drop my hat in front of DP2, the creator of this unit, as I will NEVER be able to "draw" like that!

tyhe reasoning behind the sehild is because this guy rewpresents the earlyiest of gun me, the tyoe whos guns need to be on a small platfrom to operate- which in this case is the sheild

Think of the shield as a pavis, similar to what crossbowmen used.

i just finished to read all the post, very funny, there is a lot of specialist of old latin language over there! :lol: if you really want to have knowledge about latin or latin languages, you can find many information on the web, for the problem of how to pronunce V, i think that if you don't speak very well one latin language ( french, italian, spanish for ex.) it's very hard to feel the deep difference and consequences in the language- no offence-
am i clear?
anyway the unit is very nice, i think it could upgrade legionary to the equivalent of Musketman that it replace ( my legionary have the hability of building roads so the upgrade too)

Originally posted by stgelven
... my legionary have the hability of building roads...

Great idea!
The "building" abilities of the Legion was one (not the only one, obviously) of the things that made them superior.

Actually, they could perform other tasks too (at least building fortresses).

My only concern is: would this make it too strong as an UU?

if it replace the musketman, same A D value, with a cost a little highter, it should be cool. no?

why woudl the cost be high for the same stats? though you could balence it out by giving him (the fulminata) an extra point of life

the cost is high for the same stas that's right, but the legionary have the ability of road builing, may be fortress...

but this one dosetn have the building animations...

i know, but is it impossible to use it even if there is not the animation?

yes, you can put it in, it just wont show anywork being done

I think that was fixed in 1.22.

I think he means for the fulminata, and not the standard legionary

I might've missed this somewhere in all these posts, but the unit32 posted in the zip don't match.