View Full Version : NEW UNIT: Qin Soldier/Spearman


Dom Pedro II
Jan 10, 2004, 10:35 PM
Here it is... the first of my previewed units. This is a Qin Soldier, in this case he has a spear, and can be used as a replacement for the Spearman, or he can make a good foot soldier for whatever you may need.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/qinpreview.jpg

Qin Spearman (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/Qin_Soldier.zip)


And here's an animated preview. Please, remember that the flic converter doesn't do it justice. :)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/qinspearmangif.gif


New units_32 file! (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/units_321.zip)

NOTE: THERE'S IS AN ERROR IN THE .INI FILE... OPEN IT AND CHANGE MeijiRiflemanRun.flc to QinSpearmanRun.flc... sorry :crazyeye:

wangyushi
Jan 10, 2004, 10:47 PM
It' good! Thanks!

Mobilize
Jan 10, 2004, 11:01 PM
Fantastic unit Dom, just what we needed! :goodjob:

I'm going to make this the Chinese flavor unit of the spearman right away. What unit do you plan on making next?

EDIT: Are his hands supposed to be so close together?

god_money
Jan 10, 2004, 11:03 PM
Great addition :goodjob:

Arab Pikeman in my mod.

Xen
Jan 10, 2004, 11:08 PM
its great, but so slow...

Mobilize
Jan 10, 2004, 11:12 PM
It's just the preview Xen.

Xen
Jan 10, 2004, 11:15 PM
thats how fast it moves in the game though isnt it?

Mobilize
Jan 10, 2004, 11:19 PM
No, previews have always been slower than the actual animation in the game. Haven't you ever noticed that in all those threads you've spammed in? ;)

aaminion00
Jan 10, 2004, 11:48 PM
Excellent. Now we have the spearman-pikemen line done.

embryodead
Jan 10, 2004, 11:49 PM
Xen- speed (and shadows :D) are ok in-game.
:goodjob:

Dom Pedro II
Jan 11, 2004, 12:13 AM
I thought you'd be happy about the shadows, embryo... it's not a seven, but it's an eight. And the next with take it down to seven. For everybody else, just trust me that it's an improvement... ;)

R8XFT
Jan 11, 2004, 12:57 AM
Cheers! :goodjob:

Chinese pikeman in my mod.

Steph
Jan 11, 2004, 03:08 AM
Very nice unit. Steph's mod and SSS will greatly benefit from this

zulu9812
Jan 11, 2004, 03:49 AM
Nice unit, although it's a bit strange that his hands grip the spear so close together

LouLong
Jan 11, 2004, 03:50 AM
:) :goodjob:

Ankka
Jan 11, 2004, 04:49 AM
IMHO a very nice unit. :)

Lusikka755
Jan 11, 2004, 06:08 AM
Really impressive unit! You're getting better and better while doing:goodjob:

Just one request: Could you make your units32-file so that it shows civ-specific colourts in game?

Other than that, great unit!!

Amenhotep7
Jan 11, 2004, 07:00 AM
Great unit, Dom! I am infinitely pleased at the wave of Chinese units that has come lately!:goodjob:

BeBro
Jan 11, 2004, 07:11 AM
Cool unit :)

utahjazz7
Jan 11, 2004, 07:45 AM
Originally posted by Lusikka755
Just one request: Could you make your units32-file so that it shows civ-specific colourts in game?

Dom, if you're interested, I usually do this in Photoshop, but any program should work. I start with the first frame in the SE direction of the default animation. With the paintbrush tool, I then color the civ-specific areas red. Then I crop the image tight around the figure and finally resize it to 32 pixels by 32 pixels. It only takes about a minute and a half, and I think it makes the units_32 icon civ-specific in-game.

Nice unit too! :)

Ozymandias
Jan 11, 2004, 08:30 AM
Very nice work as always! :goodjob: :goodjob:

-Oz

Mackel-Loos
Jan 11, 2004, 08:44 AM
At last, a chinese replacement for the spearman !
Thank you a lot Dom Pedro for this beautiful unit ! :thumbsup:
You are a great master ... :worship: :worship:

embryodead
Jan 11, 2004, 09:05 AM
There is also Chin Spearman by Kinboat with a fitting Swordsman too. Anyone knows which should go first? (which should replace spearman, which pikeman?)

Mackel-Loos
Jan 11, 2004, 09:47 AM
I think the Quin (or Ch'in) Spearman should be the first.
The Chin Spearman look like a peasant soldier of the later periods...
It could be used as a low cost units which needs no ressources...

Mackel-Loos
Jan 11, 2004, 10:16 AM
I think the Quin (or Ch'in) Spearman should be the first.
The Chin Spearman look like a peasant soldier of the later periods...
It could be used as a low cost units which needs no ressources...

LouLong
Jan 11, 2004, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by embryodead
There is also Chin Spearman by Kinboat with a fitting Swordsman too. Anyone knows which should go first? (which should replace spearman, which pikeman?)

Actually the ones Kinboat did wear the "long hair" of the Mandchu period which is Qing not Qin. It would be fine for a boxer era scenario (guerrilla,...) but not for any place in the evolution of the real/official Chinesemilitary.

Warrior : Shang Warrior (Utah)
Spearman : Qin spearman (Dom Pedro)
Swordsman : Qin sword (wangyushi thread)
Med would likely be Tang units.

Yoda Power
Jan 11, 2004, 10:34 AM
embryo- The Chin were around from 1644 to 1912 its too late for Pikeman. Though Medieval Infatry and Pikeman would be the best to replace it with IMO.

Oh and very nice unit Dom:goodjob:

Dom Pedro II
Jan 11, 2004, 10:39 AM
I'm planning on taking this guy and giving him a crossbow too. That's why I didn't give them any weapons in the previews because I figured I could use them for multiple weapons for different purposes.

Dom Pedro II
Jan 11, 2004, 10:57 AM
In my mod, I have a very cheap but weak unit for every era that can basically be used as the last line of defense for a civilization against invaders (though the AI tends to build them a bit too much regularly). And so I think I'm going to use Kinboat's spearman for this purpose in the Middle Ages.

Xen
Jan 11, 2004, 10:59 AM
there seem s to be a problem with the download- when ever I try to get him, my interent crashes, or rather all windows realteing to CFC crash...

ArbitraryGuy
Jan 11, 2004, 11:15 AM
Nice, nice, nice!

ShiroKobbure
Jan 11, 2004, 11:28 AM
^ ^ Dom!!
you are amazing ^ ^

LouLong
Jan 11, 2004, 11:33 AM
OK, since there seems to be some troubles fitting Chinese units into their proper era, here is a brief summary of Chinese dynasties and some important people, facts... . Provided as well are links to check how their armies would look (until 1644).

Xia (seem mytholigical)

Shang (1500-1000 BC) Taoism
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_6_figure_1.htm
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_16a_figure_1.htm

Zhou (western then Eastern dynasties 1000-256 BC) Confucius (551-479 BC), Lao Zi VIth century BC)
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_16b_figure_1.htm

Qin (or T'sin) 221 - 206 BC one empror Qin Shi Huangdi (Huangdi means emperor) unifies China. The name Qin is probably at the origin of the words China, Chine in Europe.
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_16c_figure_1.htm

Han (name the Chinese give themselves) : 206 BC - 220 AD, fits with most Roman era units. 1st golden Age.
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_54_figure_1.htm

Three Kingdoms : 220 - 265
After that China is divided between North (often ruled by steppes invaders) and South (Six dynasties)
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_72_figure_1.htm

Tang : 618 - 917 second golden Age the recruitment of the public service through literary exams is organized from 606 onwards.
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_95_figure_1.htm

Five dynasties : 917 - 960
leads to another period of anarchy, multiple dynasties, foreign influence and invasions and separation between North and South.
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_95_figure_1.htm

North Song : 960 - 1127
Southern Song : until 1279 after fleeing from the North (Mongol, Manchus invasions)
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_116_figure_1.htm

Yuan : 1280 - 1368 Mongol dynasty, Marco Polo's travel
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_154_figure_1.htm

Ming : 1368 - 1644 : Third Golden Age but the Ming, threatened from the North and in decadency, refuse to seize the opportunity of the discoveries overseas ( travels of Zheng He). Jesuit missionaries. 1516 : Portuguese settle in Macao. Canton (GuangZhou) is the only place where foreign trade with Europeans is allowed. White lotus rebellion.
http://dbaol.com/armies/army_174_figure_1.htm

Qing : 1644-1911 : Mandchu dynasty. The army is composed of the crack Mandchu troops (the nine banners) + mostly local Chinese troops. Being defeated, Chinese are considered as immature by the Mandchus and forced to wear long hair (a la children or women : this is NOT a Chinese tradition).

Republic : 1911 - 1949 : Sun Yat Sen takes control in Beijing (PuYi is the last Emperor) but fails to control the whole of China. Fights between feudal warlords, Republican government (whose main party is known as Guo Ming Dang), the Communists and the Japanese. The perpetual fight makes the Republican power go into the hands of the military (Chiang Kai Shek).

Communist China : 1949 - ?
Except for Taiwan, China has reunited, including Hong Kong, Macao, and annexing Tibet (1951). After turmoils, crisis and weird choices, China seems to go towards Communism (politics) and capitalism (economy) together. Weird, who said weird ?
:crazyeye:

Vuldacon
Jan 11, 2004, 11:39 AM
Dom Pedro II, Thanks for this Cool Unit. It is a desirable addition.

Dom Pedro II
Jan 11, 2004, 12:03 PM
Just so you know, there's an error in the .ini file... I copied this from the Meiji Rifleman and I forgot to change one of the flics... so you'll have to do that manually. Just change it to QinSpearmanRun.flc.

Made my game crash! :mad:

tjedge1
Jan 11, 2004, 02:26 PM
Great unit. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

ocedius
Jan 11, 2004, 09:07 PM
Awesome unit !!! IMHO ofcourse. Will test it ingame as soon as I reinstall CivIII and C3C. Until then i'll just have to be satisfied with drooling.

Kal-el
Jan 12, 2004, 12:35 AM
nice job! :goodjob:

aaglo
Jan 12, 2004, 01:08 AM
Nice unit, Dom! :thumbsup:

I was just wondering about this:
Originally posted by Dom Pedro II
I thought you'd be happy about the shadows, embryo... it's not a seven, but it's an eight. And the next with take it down to seven. For everybody else, just trust me that it's an improvement... ;)

Are you talking about shadow colour or what?

embryodead
Jan 12, 2004, 01:16 AM
colour index in the palette. civ3 units use 7th color for darkest shadow, so if you want to have shadows of the same intensity, also use colours 2-7 for shadow. do I make sense? :)

aaglo
Jan 12, 2004, 01:26 AM
That's what I thought, but I wasn't 100%sure.

And for the question "do I make sense" - :mischief: :lol:

TopGun
Jan 20, 2004, 10:08 AM
wow..finally some Chinese units coming our way!!!!!!!!!! Yeepeeee