This scenario is set on the Korean peninsular in 2005 when Bush has finally decided to invade North Korea. You can play either side and victory is achieved via the conquest of your enemy (terrain domination victory has been set at 45%).

Here's a pic of the map. I made it myself and you can get a blank version of it at

WWW.geocities.com/muffins4brains/KoreaWar

I have only downloaded the scenario, but I opened the file in the editor and it looks very great.:goodjob: ;) :D

Check out my scenario Allied Italy (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=74525) .

Hmm, not bad looking. Ill have to look at it more thoroughly later but so far it looks pretty good. Also it is about an event that something tells me may happen in the future.

I've just finished the scenario.And it's 1 000 000 times GREAT!!!! :goodjob: :D :worship: :rotfl:

You must make new and more versions of the scenario.;)

HI EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!YOU MUST PLAY THIS SCENARIO!!

Wow! Thanks Luddi :D

Have you Korean relatives Luddy :) ?

Ok, I'll get an eye on it. ;)

wohoo, evil capitalists against evil communists ;)

gotta try this one :)

No, I haven't any korean relatives.:p :lol: .But this scenario was absolutely fantastic!!:rotfl:

Wow:eek: nice!
I wish you put the american coast in somewhere (cause ya know there gunna try to nuke the US)

great man i love this game!

Hmmmm ... The victory condition for this scenario is terrain domination of 45% and if you open the scenario with Civ3Edit then you can see that all looks well.

However, when you play the game the victory screen reports that it's 66% and when you totally conqure your enemy and achieve 47% domination ... nothing happens.

Am I missing something? (other than brains)

What makes you so sure that Bush will win the 2005 election,I mean he's messed the country up so badly,with the rising national debt,the wars,etc. I don't think that Bush will win.

It looks solid. I'll play tomorrow.:)

Psst. What's that "Wonder Dump" thing about?:confused:

i think its so all the wonders are done, so the 3 "real" civs cant build them. Thats one issue ive found with other scenarios, at the begining you can build all the wonders, and since scenarios often have fast producing cities, you can build them all pritty fast....

Originally posted by blix
What makes you so sure that Bush will win the 2005 election,I mean he's messed the country up so badly,with the rising national debt,the wars,etc. I don't think that Bush will win.

Bush didn't win his first Presidential election either - but that didn't stop him from becoming President.

Come October, if he is lagging in the polls, I'll bet his people will invent a national security crisis to boost his apeal. Perhaps non-existant North Korean nukes getting shot down by Bush's balistic missile 'interceptor missiles' will do the trick.

The Wonder Dump is just that. A place to dump ancient world wonders so that the AI won't build them (the "never build wonders" checkbox in the editor doesn't seem to work) :D

Cool scenario

I played as Kim Il-Jung (or whatever his name is) and allied with the Chinese in the first turn. They're help was sorely needed. The Allies are really strong, so strong that I just had to let my Nukes FLY! :D I even hit some of my own troops in order to kill theirs, realistic I think for lil' Kim.

You might want to consider 'immobile' foot units. The AI completely abandoned their fortresses, they're just not programmed for that.

I like the scenario, I just wish it started with more units for both sides. When I played the allies, by my second turn, North Korea was half taken over. Maybe North Korea should get more 'crappy units' with lower than normal hit points, like riflemen. In a real conflict, of course North Korea would fall, but I don't think it would happen THAT swiftly. =P

Why is it that as the Allies, you can nuke the crap out of North Korea and China will never declare war on you? I can understand them overlooking things maybe once or twice, but I just hammered them multiple times, and nothing ever happened - if you attack the Allies as North Korea, China is after you usually on the second nuke you fire. Otherwise, this is great!

I had a nice game going. I was NK, and got China to ally with me against the allies. I took over Chunchon and almost got Seoul too. But then out of the blue china declared war on me!! :confused: :eek:

So then I gave up :crazyeye:

Originally posted by blix
What makes you so sure that Bush will win the 2005 election,

Nice troll.

1-Elections are in 2004

2-Why do we have to be SURE of anything to create a Civ III scenario?

No serious person is SURE that Bush will invade N Korea. It takes a leap of imagination to figure Bush will win in '04. Takes a leap of imagination to figure Bush will invade N Korea.

Fun scenario, muffins :goodjob:

Great scenario! A little short though won as South Korea in 14 turnas. I'm going to try China next.

I am Korean live in Busan (or Pusan... same)
I`m disappointed of this map.
did you see map of korea or not?
where is JeJu island?
(JeJu island is bigger than Tsusima island, but there is no JeJu.... there is Tsusima island under Pusan, but where is JeJu?)

I am Korean live in Busan (or Pusan... same)
I`m disappointed of this map.
did you see map of korea or not?
where is JeJu island?
(JeJu island is bigger than Tsusima island, but there is no JeJu.... there is Tsusima island under Pusan, but where is JeJu?)
1) I made this map almost a year ago but I remember that I had major problems getting many of the smaller islands on the Civ-map. Islands that were too close to the mainland tended to get 'merged' by Civ3Edit :)

2) You've just 'bumped' an old thread ... an act considered by some people in these forums as more sinful than eating children :D

3) I don't really make maps anymore (too busy making units). Why not have a look at my units below? :cool:

beat it in 18 turns as south korea took my time ended up with so much artillery

Great scenario...only problem with it is that Kim Il-Sung is dead (he died in 1994)...The leader of North Korea is his son Kim Jong-Il...

nice job ...........like the map

I like the scenario, I just wish it started with more units for both sides. When I played the allies, by my second turn, North Korea was half taken over. Maybe North Korea should get more 'crappy units' with lower than normal hit points, like riflemen. In a real conflict, of course North Korea would fall, but I don't think it would happen THAT swiftly. =P I beg to differ. North Korea currently has 1 million well trained, well fed,VERY determined and "thristy for American blood" men in uniform and has the ability to mobilize up to 3 million more. They have the largest submarine fleet in the world and their tanks are quite formidable and are up-to-date. Kim is known as "dear leader" the son of "great leader" (his father, and previous ruler of korea). The people literally see their leader as a god-like figure, the population are very well indoctrinated and would fight to death if the U.S. invaded. Because in North Korea America as seen as the giant imperialist super power, from their earliest days North Korean school children learn what the "evil" imperialist Americans intentions are and are brain washed round the clock to hate America. They literally see North Korea as the best place on earth, a paradise, they dont have any outside sources of information and don't know about the outside world, they're completely brainwashed into believing North Korea is the best place on earth. If you want this map to be truly accurate you will add in plenty of troops for North Korea (with chemical weapons, they see them as part of their normal arsenal and wont hesitate to use them in conventional combat), as well as plenty of weaker civilian units with weapons. Also theres no point in having the capital of South Korea "Seoul" on the map. In 1994 North Korea said "Anyone who might be thinking of invading North Korea, know that we will turn the South Korean capital Seoul into a sea of fire". The North Koreans have tons of cannons hidden in the hills on the boarder just north of Seoul ready to fire on the city if anyone attempts to invade North Korea. Conventional cannons with nuclear material, theres no way to intercept them so the destruction of Seoul is inevitable should the U.S. invade. The consequences of a second Korean war would be nothing less of catastrophic.

I beg to differ. North Korea currently has 1 million well trained, well fed,VERY determined and "thristy for American blood" men in uniform and has the ability to mobilize up to 3 million more. They have the largest submarine fleet in the world and their tanks are quite formidable and are up-to-date. Kim is known as "dear leader" the son of "great leader" (his father, and previous ruler of korea). The people literally see their leader as a god-like figure, the population are very well indoctrinated and would fight to death if the U.S. invaded. Because in North Korea America as seen as the giant imperialist super power, from their earliest days North Korean school children learn what the "evil" imperialist Americans intentions are and are brain washed round the clock to hate America. They literally see North Korea as the best place on earth, a paradise, they dont have any outside sources of information and don't know about the outside world, they're completely brainwashed into believing North Korea is the best place on earth. If you want this map to be truly accurate you will add in plenty of troops for North Korea (with chemical weapons, they see them as part of their normal arsenal and wont hesitate to use them in conventional combat), as well as plenty of weaker civilian units with weapons. Also theres no point in having the capital of South Korea "Seoul" on the map. In 1994 North Korea said "Anyone who might be thinking of invading North Korea, know that we will turn the South Korean capital Seoul into a sea of fire". The North Koreans have tons of cannons hidden in the hills on the boarder just north of Seoul ready to fire on the city if anyone attempts to invade North Korea. Conventional cannons with nuclear material, theres no way to intercept them so the destruction of Seoul is inevitable should the U.S. invade. The consequences of a second Korean war would be nothing less of catastrophic.

Not meaning to start a verbal war but.
Yes they have well trained men but there are problems they can't combat very well.

1.) They can't stop a 2000lb from droping on there tanks from our B2 bombers (well no one really can)
2.) Our bombers have what is called a cluster bomb. Those if enemy units marched across the land and scattered (500 or so) these bombs dropped from an aircraft would kill a lot of men and almost wounding all.
3.) Nice map!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :) :goodjob: muffins
4.) Most of those artillery that are "hiddedn" can't hide from sattelites and odds are they will be bombed.
5.) N Korea's Airdefense network is still based on old russian systems easily jammed and they wont know what hit them.
6.) The N koreans can't detect an F22 raptor. 1 because it has stealth capabilitys. 2 it can move above mach 1 easily. 3 it has rear vectoring exhaust systems makingit more maneuvearble.
7.) Yes it will be a catastroph but if N korea launches any chemicals on South Korea OMG the UN would be all over them like white on rice or brown if you are thinking of brown rice. :lol:
8.) How is north korea's subs going to pick up a new seawolfe class sub? they are the queitest subs on earth. They are able to find and destroy all of N koreas subs.
9.) Most likely the U.S. wont go to war.

I am open to debate I just have one rule please NO FLAME WARS ok :)

BTW :goodjob: I was looking for a scenario like this. thanx a buch muffins

You know i dont think America would win a war against North Korea. Not only re there only a few less soldiers in the North Korean army, but America if they invade will have troops spread out across three nations. Oh and North Koreas army is actually a modern one not just natives throwing rocks at people and then blowing themselves up.

I know Bush is an idiot but i hope he isnt stupid enough to try an take on Korea.

Only my opinion though,

The fable of a strong North Korean army was broken in the late 90's when ex-President Jimmy Carter toured the country. The North Koreans get virtually ZERO training on their so-called modern equipment for lack of fuel and money. Not to mention the simple fact that no soldier in either Koreans military has seen combat. And remember, the pre-1990 Iraqi army was 'experienced', equipped with 'modern weapons' and totalled 1 million men and a force 1/5th it's size destroyed it in a matter of weeks.

For that matter, the South Koreans wouldn't even need any American help. They have a truly well-trained army of 700,000 that DOES get regular training on their equipment and can call up a reservist force with some military training that would number over 1 million.

The '3 million' men that North Korea could supposedly put into action would basically be giving a farmer a rifle and saying 'go kill'. They would have little to no actual combat value.

Other than lobbing a few nukes that would lead to quick retaliation, the North Korean military poses no threat and is practically a joke in the military community.

What makes you so sure that Bush will win the 2005 election,I mean he's messed the country up so badly,with the rising national debt,the wars,etc. I don't think that Bush will win.

Uhh... Blix, when did you get out of your time capsul, he already won in 2004 by 3,000,000 votes

I beg to differ Kristi they do possess stockpiles chemical weapons, which they won't hesitate to use if they are attacked by the mighty super power (aka the U.S.). They have thousands of artillery rockets hidden in the hills above the border which can reach Seoul within THREE minutes. The people are completely pumped with spiritual determinism which would make a war against North Korea very long and bloody. They're willing to lay their lives on the line for their dear leader. While they do use some outdated weapons they also have plenty of modern weapons, it's a fact. Also Jimmy Carter didn't stop their military build-up he just had them agree to freeze the production of missiles with a range of 300 miles or more in exchange for oil and other sources of energy. Also as regards to Driveby's post about air power. That's why everyone who has fought America in the last 60 years who didn't have an effective airforce hid in sheltered areas (caves etc) in the face of devastating American air power. You can't bomb the hidden artillery, because well...they're hidden, which means they can't be destroyed from the air, if they could they wouldn't be referred to as "hidden". "N Korea's Airdefense network is still based on old russian systems easily jammed and they wont know what hit them." So? theres more than one way to counter the oppositions air power.

I wasn't saying that President Carter did ANYthing to control their buildup. When Carter went on his tour (1998 I believe?) he SAW just how badly equipped and trained the North Korean military really was. They simply do not have the money or resources to use their weapons regularly. You simply can't expect a military force to have ANY chance of real success if they aren't regularly trained. The American and British military are perfect examples of what a outnumbered but well-equipped and well-trained force can do to what is nothing more than a mass infantry horde.

Most of the North Korean's equipment is based on Cold War 1970's designs. Certainly they've improved it since then, but, for example, the tanks they use are varients on the old Soviet T-62 battle tanks which, compared to the American M1A2s, are anachronic at best.

You mention their artillery... Well, they don't FIRE that artillery... They have NO training. And the problem with hidden and emplaced fortified artillery is that you can go around it and once you do, it's not much of a threat.

As far as Seoul, maybe you haven't seen the defensive setup that the South Koreans and Americans have built. I have, and believe me, it's extensive. Any North Korean offensive would be stopped in it's tracks in a manner of minutes. That's not say that they couldn't inflict losses or cause alot of deaths, but as far as actually penetrating South Korean defenses and defeating their forces with the intent to occupy Seoul, it's just not possible.

As far as the Americans or South Koreans invading the country, for one, there's little point. There's nothing of strategic value. The North Koreans aren't the first small power to aquire nuclear arms (example, Pakistan) and they won't do anything with them other than posture and act like a kid with a new toy.

Simply put, the North Koreans, much like the Iraqis, are a third-world country with alot of old equipment that is just not an effective fighting force when compared to the modern militaries of the world.

@kristi...
"You simply can't expect a military force to have ANY chance of real success if they aren't regularly trained. "

one word: Vietnam

Dear Muffins,

Where can I find the "Whole download". I can only see the attached files(WinZip)
Can you send me a direct download file of the Korean War 2005?
Many thanks,
Dutch Leader1

What I actually mean is a directory to download "direct from the Internet"..

Thanks, Dutch Leader1

Decided to edit this, Had a huge response but decided I didn't wanna carry on this trivial bull****.

Uhh... Blix, when did you get out of your time capsul, he already won in 2004 by 3,000,000 votes

Ummm...he posted that in Junary of 2004 :mischief:

Dear Muffins,

Where can I find the "Whole download". I can only see the attached files(WinZip)
Can you send me a direct download file of the Korean War 2005?
Many thanks,
Dutch Leader1
You should be able to right-click and select 'save target as' option :confused: All you then have to do is unzip the zip file

MANY THANKS! MUFFINS!

I did it like you suscribed it, and the file is working!

Greetings,

Roland
(aka Dutch Leader1)

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WOOOO slow down there little commie boy........it was just an opinion like what I just said.....you have to let other people voice there opinion because it is how they see it

Surely they're evil. Of course, I eat babies. Interesting scenario, will download as soon as I get the time...

This is a pretty good scenario. Simple, fast, fun, the way a scenario is meant to be. Congrats!

And no, the Chimp did indeed "win" (see Ohio election irregularities in wikipedia) and won't attack Korea ever (because the Chimp only attacks very weak, non-nuclear nations, incapable of even pretending to defend themselves). And no I ain't no commie nor liberal.

No no no no no....Zachar you have sinned! :lol: Dude you can't bring posts back from the dead especially after 2 years, and please if you do bring back one make sure its for a legit reason. Not a "Hey cool scenario"

Anyways I will leave you be but be ware you probably will be firebombed for doing this. Good luck and welcome

Drivebymaster:
No no no no no....Zachar you have sinned! Dude you can't bring posts back from the dead especially after 2 years, and please if you do bring back one make sure its for a legit reason. Not a "Hey cool scenario"

Well, I hadn't said a thing before in this topic so it's not all that bad :lol: I'm simply into reanimating inanimate threads 's all.

Anyways I will leave you be but be ware you probably will be firebombed for doing this. Good luck and welcome

Starts preparing the anti-air defenses.

This looks like a cue for...
http://andjo.free.fr/pics/threadnecro.jpg

wow Virote, so much time and energy dedicated for me. I'm flattered. :lol:

Don't be flattered, because someone made it for people that do that...and now I need a thread jacking picture..... :lol:

Don't be flattered, because someone made it for people that do that...

Awww man, don't ruin the fun. Virote is now my own personal entertainer. We can start charging for his antics. Come on Virote, jump through the flaming ring, do the crowd pleaser once again! :goodjob:

What what?

shouldnt the north koreans be more advanced? like the infantry unit is made 2 represent the infantry of world war 1 and the north koreans dont even have electronics, yet they have a nuke.

i was just reading back posts and when i first saw the dates i thought it was active so sry 4 bumping :S

My first post and I really like this scenario, thank you very much!! :D

I love this scenario. YOu sould have put Japan in the Most southeast part. Just to note, I am korean american, and I should point out that if U.S. went war with N korea, US would find even more trouble than with Iraq.

N korean citize from 7 year olds to 70 year olds can assemble a ak 47 and 15 seconds and fire with deadly accuracy. What does this tell you? If americans went and conquered the cities, like pyngyang, yes, there will be few field resistance, but all those rpgs and snipers from mountains ( yes, there are LOTS of mountains) and cities would drive the U.S. back immediatly. Either the U.S. destroy every living animal in north korea, even the little toddlers, and recieve immeasurable hatred from the world, or US cant call it a victory.

Anyway, great map!
You should try making the scenario for Imjin war, where Japan invaded korea in middle ages. THats when the famous hwa cha was used. keep up the good work!

I'm sorry, but you must've made a typo, because I read


N korean citize from 7 year olds to 70 year olds can assemble a ak 47 and 15 seconds and fire with deadly accuracy.


I'm going to assume that 15 seconds was supposed to be 15 hours, and I think you forgot to include "with instructions and working parts".

Also by "fire with deadly accuracy" I think you meant to say "fire with deadly inaccuracy"

Any untrained civilian will be as useless as a conscript. Especially in North Korea. Sure they may fight a guerrilla war long after the "official" end of major combat operations, but considering the number of defectors from North Korea, getting fed will be incentive enough not to fight.

Believe me, North Koreans aren't ignorant. They know that Americans/South Koreans= Food. The only reason they don't speak out against their government is fear.

Defection = saving their life.

Speaking out = death.

life > death

therefore

Pi = 3.14159

Problem solved.