This is a multi figure unit of Dom Pedro's Llama, and the Incan Archer from the American Collection, compiled by Steph. Thanks guys. I think it's appropriate to post it in this forum, and not multi-figure units, because it is the equivlant of the conbquistador: two figure, one that completes it, not multi figure of one unit. This unit was made for the ICW scenario, but feel free to use it. Okay, enough said.

Death Preview (final version is faster, and yes, the Llama does abandon that poor archer):
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/Death2.gif

Attack Preview (final version is faster):
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/Attack.gif

Download (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/DLAF.zip)

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Great, Gogf. You are mastering unit creation promptly. Good for you and thanks from users of your units ! :-)

Just hope i'll do my own animal unit some day, too. :-)

(I though, that could be realistic and interesting to have "barbarian" great cats (of really good graphics like the fabulous dire_wolves by Embriodead) in your maps of ancient civs, for example - they played quite a role in early stages of human society as consumers of human meet asd would be more valuable for workers/settles attackers than currently present dino units, I think.

I've alsready included all the mesoamerican units (and now gonna include your incan llama archer) and dire_wolves intomy Mesoamerican mod (the latter - instread of barbarians) - looks great really :-) Would be cool to have good-looking jaguars in the Jungles of Amazonka and pumas - all over :-)

Well, you may want to get rid of the _ in the Dire_Wolves, because it would look awkward. I may be able to make a Puma or Jaguar at some point inthe future (don't expect anything too soon though).

Nice, that Llama runs away fast. No courage, shameful. :)

And yet another chapter of the Cowardly Llama has ended....

Excellent unit....

But I wonder what benefit the llama is giving these units. Do they ride them? Do they assist in the attack? Defense? Or are they just something to keep the men company on their long journeys across the lands?:love:

Hey, cool llama :thumbsup: :D

I'd presume, llamas carry spare weapon stuff for the soldgers untill the battle begins. And then just spin around and flush-off... with all the weapon with them :-)))

Right :). The fact that the llamas are carrying weapons and maybe food, it allows for a smaller burden on the soldier (duh), and therefor allows the whole unit to travel at a faster speed.

Yeah, I doubt that they would help attack or defend. He high tails it out of there the first sign of trouble, :D.

I could make him run away in the attack animation, but that would seem odd.

Nah, it looks fine the way it is, IMHO.

Yeah it looks great. I was just trying to determine how to work its stats.

EDIT: 100th post!!! [dance] :beer: [party] :band: :sheep:

Congrats Amesjustin! You're right, I forgot, there aren't separe attack, and defend animations. It would be pretty odd to see the llama walk up to the enemy, and then run off.

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as for the stats - I make the movement +1 in comparing with the corresponding non-llama unit (like inti-warrior and haevy Inti-warrior with llama) and +1 ôååñë and -1 defence - it's logical.
Also all my Incan units ahve no penalty in mountain/hill/desert terrain (ususally very harsh penalties for ordinary units like Spanish invadors).

Yes, that's how we're doind it in ICW. I assume "ôååñë" means defense? Sometimes +2 attack, and -2 defense.

I don't know even know how to type that, :).

BTW: Gogf, please empty your inbox, I need to send you a message.

I used copy and paste :). Okay, I'll empty it.

EDIT: Emptied.

If I may interject here about the advantages of the llamas...

consider for a moment the Aztecs who had no pack animals. They had a rather ingenius, but ultimately very fragile means of supplying their armies. They would send out runners to their tributary cities and villages and order the people along their planned route to have food and water ready for the army upon it's arrival in town. Failure to do so... well, let's just say it wasn't pretty.

If the Aztecs sent out an army 300,000 strong, 100,000 of those men would be carriers... nothing more. Sort of like a knight's squire for almost each one of the jaguar warriors. The rest carried their own supplies. As a result, they couldn't maximize their manpower for combat and they also moved rather slowly by comparison to armies that had pack animals. In reality, the Jaguar Warrior in Civ should get anything but an extra movement point.

This was also a very problematic means of supply because it meant that the Aztecs could not deviate from their planned route, and it also meant that once beyond their hegemonic borders, they had two or three days to win the war and return to friendly territory... thus, a prolonged siege of a city was nearly unheard of in Aztec warfare. The other problem was that any disruption in travel could be disastrous. On some occasions, the enemies felling cacti and trees in the narrow foot paths could wreck an entire campaign since time was of the essence.

It also became dangerous as in the case of when the Spanish showed up because it meant that many of the tributary regions suddenly rebelled and there was almost no way to supply the army at all.

The advantages of pack animals are thus readily apparent. They allow more versatility and ultimately enable longer campaigns and the freeing up of more men to fight those campaigns. And worse comes to worse, if you're stuck in the middle of nowhere, you've got extra food for another week... :p

Okay... So you agree with the extra movement, and combat points? BTW, thanks again for the llama.

I would hate ot be in the Aztec army...

I would hate to be in any way involved with the Aztec empire.. :crazyeye:


Yes, I agree with the extra movement point. Make them able to cross hills without penalty too since llamas are built for rough terrain. And the increased combat points makes good sense too.

What do you think about defense? Increased, decreased, or the same? Also, we're making it ignore Mountains too.

Ignoring Mountains works as well... I don't necessarily see a reason to decrease the defense. You could increase it if you want, but if it stayed the same, that'd make sense too.

Okay, thanks again Dom Pedro II!

:lol: I love all these llamas! The cowards!

Oh yeah?! I hate them (meaning the llamas that abandon their masters)! :lol:

OK so a +1 to movement (or ignore movement costs on Hills, mountains, and flat terrain) and HP. That works.

I was thinking someone should to the death sounds "come back you coward" or "Take me with you" or something like that. :D

Lol, that would be funny. How about +1 movement, and ignores Hills, and Mountains?

Well, you don't need to tell it to ignore movement cost on flat terrain such as plains and grasslands since they don't have movement penalties.

It won't work for forests and jungles though, nor should it. Llamas would find it just as difficult to move through them.

Right, that would be very odd, IMO.

Nice unit. I'm getting over run with Llama's. Now how to add them to my mod. :hmm:

Originally posted by Dom Pedro II
Well, you don't need to tell it to ignore movement cost on flat terrain such as plains and grasslands since they don't have movement penalties.

They have penalties in my mods.......;)

But I agree about the other terrains.

The llamas escape in order to do not give the food and weapons to the enemies! :doitnow!: ;) :lol:

Btw, good job Gogf! :goodjob:

(I love this llama-mania :lol: )

:D

Dom Pedro II
thanks for thw interesting insight into the Aztec warfare practicies! :-0
You know lots of the Mesoametican cultures, roght? I've been captivated with the indigenious civilizations of the New Worls from early age (and lots of people here think of the Central/South American cultures as of something almost as misterious and wonderful as that of the Ancient Egypt), but here we've got next to nule information about them.

I've seen just one small monography on the Mesoamerican societies in all my life.

Why do you say of the Aztecs as something you;d hate to be associated with in any way? - I know they were terribly blood-thirsty empire even diabolic in a sence, but in the Old World - lots of that kind, too. (Babylon, Qin, Mongols, Turks and early Arabs to name a couple - and lots of guys adore them just for theor warring nature and epic conquests).
What Mesoamerican culture would make something more acceptable in a sence oh Cristian humanism and scientific progress in your opinion - Maya? What about the Incas?

Thanks!

Originally posted by Gogf
Lol, that would be funny. How about +1 movement, and ignores Hills, and Mountains?
I'd bet that brainless llama ignores everything! :lol:

"I'm a Llama! :cry:"-Emporer Cusco

Originally posted by tjedge1
"I'm a Llama! :cry:"-Emporer Cusco
:lol: That movies hilarious!

Vah ! I made my first Civ modification ever! :-)))))

Altered african elephant resource by Casus Belli and got... a mammoth! Anâ also - made panthera and zebra resources for African scenery.

I'm happy :-)))))))