Please vote Bootstoots, Octavian X, ravensfire, Strider, zorven, or Abstain. This poll will be open for 72 hours, until one day prior to the end of the month GMT.

Yours,
The Election Office

Note: The top candidate will become Chief Justice, and the second and third candidates will become Associate Justices.

My vote goes towards Bootstoots, he's reliable and impartial. I would love to see him inside of the judiciary again.

Go Octavian X!

I support Ravensfire for this position, as I believe he has the best knowledge of our current laws.

go Octavian

I encourage my fellow Berrichons to vote Ravensfire, Octavian has already won the Trade Ministry. :)

zorven is a far better Judiciary member than a president ! :mischief:

Ravensfire, dedication, knowledge and commitment

Originally posted by Rik Meleet
zorven is a far better Judiciary member than a president ! :mischief:

Wait a second - I'm sensing some self-serving campaigning here ...

:D

I agree with Rik - zorven has demonstrated time and time again his knowledge and patience in the Judiciary. He will make an excellent member of the Judiciary.

Unless, of course, he's the President!

Oh yeah, vote Ravensfire too! ;)

-- Ravensfire

Since I have heard that most of the canidates here have or are already winning offices in a different branch. Since I have not voted yet. I will cast my vote to whom ever would appoint me Associate Justice :).

Ummm, we elect that position CG.

-- Ravensfire

Originally posted by ravensfire
Ummm, we elect that position CG.

-- Ravensfire

Not when there's a vacancy because there are 3 offices and only 2 candidates who are not winning another office... :D

Originally posted by CivGeneral
Since I have heard that most of the canidates here have or are already winning offices in a different branch. Since I have not voted yet. I will cast my vote to whom ever would appoint me Associate Justice :).

Is an Associate Justice who can be bribed so easily really in the best interests of Fanatica?
It is a shame we don't have any anti corruption laws. ;)

Now that I have a clearer head, I'll try to make a better answer. CG, remember that per CoL H.1, all positions not filled after an election are filled via appointment by the President.

-- Ravensfire

Originally posted by ravensfire
Now that I have a clearer head, I'll try to make a better answer. CG, remember that per CoL H.1, all positions not filled after an election are filled via appointment by the President.

-- Ravensfire

so if you want to be apointed to Assoc J. vote for Zorven, cause then he'll think he owes you a favor. :lol:

I hereby announce that I will withdraw from this race, in order to continue to serve our nation in the Trade & Tech Ministry. I thank my supporters for their votes. :)

I, too, will be withdrawing from this election in favor of the Foreign Affairs Ministry.

Congratulations Ravensfire!

Thanks Sarevok!

What's interesting, is that assuming zorven declines his election in favor of the Presidency, we'll have a Justice named Abstain!

Strider, congrats on being elected to the bench! I'm looking forward to working with you.

-- Ravensfire

Originally posted by ravensfire
Thanks Sarevok!

What's interesting, is that assuming zorven declines his election in favor of the Presidency, we'll have a Justice named Abstain!

Strider, congrats on being elected to the bench! I'm looking forward to working with you.

-- Ravensfire

IMHO, 2 votes isn't being elected. One thing bad about our election system, nonetheless. It's done and over and nothing we can do now.

Just to make it official, I am declining any postion in the Judiciary in favor of the Presidency.

Imagine if I declined the Presidency instead, we would have no President :eek:

Congrats to the new Justices!

Ahhh, another term, another Judiciary conundrum......

Under our Constitution and CoL, shouldn't the positions of Bootstoots and Octavian be considered vacancies and thefore subject to appointment by our President?

I repsectfully submit:

The Constitution

Article G. All elected positions shall have a fixed term. All vacant
elected positions shall be filled by appointment of a
citizen to fulfill the remainder of the term.

Code of Laws

H. Vacant Positions
1. Leader positions that remain unfilled after an election
shall be filled via appointment by the President.
a. Any citizen may post a refusal poll within 24 hours
of the appointment.

Unfortunately, I see nothing in any of the Three Books that suggests that refusing one office in favor of another nullifys the results of that election. To this extent, I believe that Octavian and Bootstoots have essentially resigned their posts and that President zorven must now make two appointments for Associate Justice.

Maybe I missed something, and if so, please respond. I will be requesting a Judicial Review on this as well.

I can see how it can be *seen* both ways. IMHO, I hope this is the way you pointed out, as only getting two votes is not being elected.

Also, yes, I do want the poistion. Just bothers me.

Isn't this fun DZ?

It appears Octavian X withdrew from the election before the end of the poll, whereas Bootstoots missed withdrawing by 5 minutes. Therefore the results would be: Ravensfire, Bootstoots, and myself. Bootstoots and myself both "resigned" to take other offices. This would leave 2 vacancies to be filled via apoointment.

That is if I didn't miss something!

Well, I await Zorven to appoint me to AJ :D.

I would like to point out that Octavian and I both withdrew from this election before it was concluded. It would therefore not be a resignation as we were never elected to the post in the first place.

Originally posted by Bootstoots
I would like to point out that Octavian and I both withdrew from this election before it was concluded. It would therefore not be a resignation as we were never elected to the post in the first place.

It appears that according to the time-stamp on your post you missed it by 5 minutes (unless I am converting times incorrectly).

That could be considered correct, but the poll was posted 25 minutes late (or so), but as the elections are supposed to close at 0:00 GMT on the 31st, my withdrawal could be considered a resignation.

I would like to see the Election Office and the Moderators determine the results of this election.

Per our laws, the election process is run by the Election Office, supervised by the Moderators. Would those groups please get together to determine the official results of the election?

Based upon the official results as determined by those in charge of the election process, we will know where the Judiciary stands.

Until then, any other action or request is premature.

I do request that the Election Office and the Moderators expadite that process, and offer my apologies for making such a request.

-- Ravensfire

I think Bootstoots may be right that he withdrew rather than resigned. The law says:

c. Election polls shall start 4 days before the end of the month and run for 3 days.

Therefore, as long as the poll was still within its 3 days of life, Boots could be considered to have resigned.

Always glad to throw the ruleset into turmoil whenever I can... :)

Christ, people, can't you just drop the formalities for once and save yourselves a heck of a lot of trouble?

Boots, myself, and zorven backed out. Let Strider get a spot, and let the last justice be appointed. Anyone who would want to file any sort of official complaint if my solution was used likely has too much time on his hands and should be shot. :goodjob:

*Octavian goes off babbling something about common sense...

Originally posted by Octavian X
Always glad to throw the ruleset into turmoil whenever I can... :)

Christ, people, can't you just drop the formalities for once and save yourselves a heck of a lot of trouble?

Boots, myself, and zorven backed out. Let Strider get a spot, and let the last justice be appointed. Anyone who would want to file any sort of official complaint if my solution was used likely has too much time on his hands and should be shot. :goodjob:

*Octavian goes off babbling something about common sense...

Octavian, Boots has posted exactly that in the Judicial thread. As an official of the Election Office, that's the solution!

zorven has also posted that he has appointed Peri to the vacant office.

The Judiciary thus is:
Chief Justice: Ravensfire
Associate Justice: Strider
Associate Justice: Peri (pending refusal poll)

-- Ravensfire

Originally posted by Octavian X
Always glad to throw the ruleset into turmoil whenever I can... :)

Christ, people, can't you just drop the formalities for once and save yourselves a heck of a lot of trouble?

Boots, myself, and zorven backed out. Let Strider get a spot, and let the last justice be appointed. Anyone who would want to file any sort of official complaint if my solution was used likely has too much time on his hands and should be shot. :goodjob:

*Octavian goes off babbling something about common sense...

Common sense? I guess that was what I was lacking when I requested that our laws be interpreted properly. :rolleyes:

Hopefully, I won't be put before the firing squad for requesting a Judicial Review on this matter, which is what I intend to do.

I would have to agree with Donovan here.

It is not so much as an issue of common sense, as much as it is an election. Something we ought not to be interested in expediency over accuracy.

I think it is an example of why combining the judicial election is a mess, especially when it appears half the people involved were only interested in judicial positions as back ups in case they lost their desired elections.

Using this example, we should open all elections to everyone.

I am tired of all this quibbling over issues such as this one. When I posted that, I was sure that it would draw immediate bickering. I feel that my solution is a good and legal one; I see no laws against it. Both DZ's solution and mine are equally valid in this case. Let's just leave it at that.

So pointing out that we once again are screwing up our elections is bickering???????