View Full Version : New units: Corsair ships


aaglo
Jan 30, 2004, 01:50 PM
Yes, a plural.
Three versions of the same ship - done.


So, here's the version 1#:
Ship with light sails (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/Corsair1.zip)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/Corsair1Demo.gif


Here's the version #2:
Ship with a light sails&symbol (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/Corsair2.zip)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/Corsair2Demo.gif

Here's the version #3:
The black hunter (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/Corsair3.zip)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/Corsair3Demo.gif


Here's the civilopedia pic of version #1

MarineCorps
Jan 30, 2004, 02:04 PM
First to respond for a change. Nice unit can't wait to use it.

Edit: Now that the first post is scure I can type more. Dang you aaglo your coming out with so many nice units I have no idea what to do with them.;)

Lusikka755
Jan 30, 2004, 02:06 PM
Really nice! Still waiting for the dark sail version;)

Risbinroch
Jan 30, 2004, 03:51 PM
Hmm... Looks great, as your units always do, and I would like to use this in a normal game too. Does anyone know any idea what this could be used as? Can it look a bit like an arabic ship?

tjedge1
Jan 30, 2004, 04:06 PM
An arabic privateer maybe. Maybe a privateer with transport ability? I'm going to use the darker version in my mod for sure as a pirate ship of sorts.

Tepez2447
Jan 30, 2004, 04:06 PM
Yes, aaglo, could you give us a few details about this purty lil vessel?

Arne
Jan 30, 2004, 04:09 PM
aaglo, this is a great unit again. Can't wait, to see your next project. (okay, i guess you wish to finnish thisone first.) :)

Risbinroch, two suggestions:
- Dhow (sp?) "Arabian" (Trade and Pirate Ship)
- Caravell (yes, most caravelles had latin sails.) Use the Civ3 Caravelle as Nao or Nef.

embryodead
Jan 30, 2004, 04:31 PM
THANK YOU :goodjob:
Arabic - yes, actually it looks like a large Dhow.

Gogf
Jan 30, 2004, 04:34 PM
VERY, VERY, VERY Good Aaglo!

aaglo
Jan 30, 2004, 05:00 PM
This ship is quite close to the original caravel (original name is caravel latina - or close to that ;) ) - the name comes from the latin sails.
The civ3 caravel is actually caravel redonda, rigged with square sails.

Interesting details:
The ships of columbus:
- Santa Maria was most likely a carrack (the portuguese UU ;) ). Nobody really knows what kind of ship it was. And thats quite funny: it's the most famous ship in the world (after, perhaps, the noah's ark) and nobody even knows what it looked like. There are many drawings and models of Santa Maria, but there's one common thing in each and everyone of them - they all are incorrect. :p
- Niña and Pinta were both originally caravela latinas. But before going to atlantic, Pinta was re-rigged with square sails (to caravela redonda). When Columbus reached the canary isles, Niña was re-rigged to redonda too. The reason for this is, that latin sails are very effective when going against the wind, but Columbus didn't need those qualities. And besides, Square sail rigging made the ships faster.

(info gathered from the book "Ship; Illustrated history" by Björn Landström)

In the light of this, I would suggest to use this as a caravel flavor for some mediterranean/arabian countries.

Risbinroch
Jan 30, 2004, 05:08 PM
Thanks again, for a wonderful unit and very good information!

mrtn
Jan 30, 2004, 09:14 PM
Splendid, old chap!

aaglo
Jan 31, 2004, 03:53 AM
Version #2 is done - see post #1

Here's the civilopedia pic of version #2

R8XFT
Jan 31, 2004, 04:00 AM
Fabulous again!! Thank you very much, I like the second one best.
:goodjob:

Vuldacon
Jan 31, 2004, 08:27 AM
What can I say but Superb work again aaglo! :goodjob: Your Animations are Extraordinary and Excellent...Always love the detailed Sharpness and Perfection you apply to your units.

Prussian
Jan 31, 2004, 08:52 AM
Outstanding! Thanks again for all of your hard work and especially for THREE versions! They look fantastic.

tjedge1
Jan 31, 2004, 09:20 AM
:thumbsup::thumbsup: I think that version will be perfect for my Ieriendi civ with the dark version as their special privateer fleet. The ships look similiar, but one is official and one is a pirate ship.

Drift
Jan 31, 2004, 09:38 AM
I thought I'd wait until all three are finished before commenting, but I couldn't. These are truly great and one of them is going in Master of Myrror. Maybe even two. :)

Amesjustin
Jan 31, 2004, 10:01 AM
Thanks to you I will never finish Optimator! :p

You are cranking out these units faster than I can get them in!

Make some crappy units I can ignore so I can catch up, you bastard!...

Seriously though - excellent job as always! :goodjob:

W.i.n.t.e.r
Jan 31, 2004, 11:48 AM
but WWW (Winter's Wonder World) will contain this beauty for sure- just need to think about which civ to give this too as a flavour unit... the fictive native ship is also in and will replace the caravel for all american civs- any ideas what this could be, anyone ??

Amesjustin
Jan 31, 2004, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by W.i.n.t.e.r
but WWW (Winter's Wonder World) will contain this beauty for sure- just need to think about which civ to give this too as a flavour unit... the fictive native ship is also in and will replace the caravel for all american civs- any ideas what this could be, anyone ??

The first one looks arabic, as already stated. The emblems on the second look Native American to me.

Xen
Jan 31, 2004, 12:45 PM
I love it. once i get my computer back, and can play civ, i'll use the version i like best as a med. civ caravel :GOODJOB:

aaglo
Jan 31, 2004, 04:17 PM
The version #3 is done
The black hunter.

Isembard
Jan 31, 2004, 04:28 PM
Looks much more threatening :D Great job, as with the other two...

Gogf
Jan 31, 2004, 04:29 PM
Very, very ncie Aaglo. I still think that the second one is the best though.

Grandraem
Jan 31, 2004, 05:19 PM
Incredible units aaglo. :) All your ships are top class. Really impressive.:goodjob:

aaglo
Feb 01, 2004, 01:56 AM
A rather interesting question:
Do you want a version with black sails and the logo? (4th version, that is... ;) )

Lusikka755
Feb 01, 2004, 02:15 AM
Originally posted by aaglo
A rather interesting question:
Do you want a version with black sails and the logo? (4th version, that is... ;) )

Maybe a version with dark sails, a black skull in the sail and black pirate flags?;)

TopGun
Feb 01, 2004, 08:27 AM
nice mediterranean pirate ships.. ideal for replacing the privateer for the Arabs, etc!

good job BTW

[Ant]Wimp
Feb 01, 2004, 12:12 PM
thanx a million Aaglo! Keep up ur breathtaking work!!!

Cimbri
Feb 01, 2004, 01:54 PM
Thank you for these beautiful and very useful ships. :goodjob:

Ozymandias
Feb 01, 2004, 05:09 PM
For everyone's edification, a ship identified as a Xebec ( http://pirateshold.buccaneersoft.com/pirate_ships.html ) "[A] three masted, square rigged on foremast, and lateen on main and mizzen, shallow draft, frequently used by 18th and 19th century corsairs in the Mediterranean."

-Oz

Aluminium
Feb 01, 2004, 06:47 PM
Is this a Greek flag on the ship above?

Ozymandias
Feb 01, 2004, 07:11 PM
Originally posted by Aluminium
Is this a Greek flag on the ship above?

That's my best guess, although I couldn't find a photo of one with the golden patches in the quarterings.

-Oz

aaglo
Feb 01, 2004, 11:43 PM
No, it's french flag.

BTW, that pic has lateen rigging on all masts :p

Mobilize
Feb 01, 2004, 11:51 PM
I'll use the Corsair Ship as a Xebec just for the hell of it.

And yes, those are definantly French flags, those are those silly gold flowers or whatever the French use. Those flags were used as the official French flag and standard of Louis XVII. They were replaced by the tricolor during the revolution.

BTW, fantastic units Aaglo, it's hard to decide which to use because they are all so great.

Ozymandias
Feb 01, 2004, 11:51 PM
Originally posted by aaglo
No, it's french flag.

Truly? What sort / time frame / piratical or "official"??

BTW, that pic has lateen rigging on all masts :p

Xebecs do ;)

-Oz

Mobilize
Feb 01, 2004, 11:55 PM
Heh, your question is answered before your post Ozy.

aaglo
Feb 02, 2004, 12:06 AM
:yeah: :lol:

What mobilize said. The french flag (when it was kingdom) had those golden lilies on blue background. And my guess is that the flag shown in that xebec is the french navy flag (4 segments)... but I'm not sure though.

Mobilize
Feb 02, 2004, 12:15 AM
The French naval flag pre-1792 was white with gold fleurs-de-lys.

I've looked at crwflags.com FOTW site and I couldn't find the flag used on the Xebec. It looks much like the Kingdom of France flag but with the white cross, I guess it could be a naval flag, or a merchant flag.

Mobilize
Feb 02, 2004, 12:18 AM
Aw yes, I remember. This was the naval flag used by the French in The Patriot. So most likely it was a late Kingdom of France naval flag. This would be a nice flag for somebody to create for a leaderhead.

Arne
Feb 02, 2004, 02:44 AM
Originally posted by Mobilize
... I guess it could be a naval flag, or a merchant flag. Seems so. Could it be both? It looks like some sort of the pre-1792 french naval "civil ensign" (=white cross on a blue field) combined with fleurs-de-lys.

The fleurs-de-lys means "royal" or somthing like this, the white cross on blue field says: "civil ship". Civil means not owned by the crown. So the ship is private but could be bound by "royal" instructions -> may be this shows a privateer? Just a guess, but histroical flags often "speaks" to us some way.

Mithadan
Feb 02, 2004, 02:58 AM
Woohoo, the Black Ships shall arrive in the nick of time for the Battle of the Pellenor Fields!!!Originally posted by aaglo
A rather interesting question:
Do you want a version with black sails and the logo? (4th version, that is... ;) ) :eek: Naah, three is plenty!

Risbinroch
Feb 02, 2004, 03:10 AM
What about a different logo? Or what that be too much trouble? Don't really know what kind of logo exact, but some that would fit the zulus perhaps? A cow/cattle skin for the sails? or just a bull on the sail?

edit: this for the "black sail" version if you choose to do it...

Der PH
Feb 02, 2004, 03:31 AM
:goodjob:
Love 'em all! :love:
:goodjob:

Ozymandias
Feb 02, 2004, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by Mobilize
Heh, your question is answered before your post Ozy.

:lol: I love it -- identical time stamps! :crazyeye:

-Oz

Ozymandias
Feb 02, 2004, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by Arne
The fleurs-de-lys means "royal" or somthing like this [...]

"Fleur-de-lis, (fr.). Although there has been much controversy concerning the origin of this bearing, no doubt it represents the lily, but in a conventional form, such as was produced by the workers in metal. It is essentially the Royal Badge of France, having been adopted by King Louis VII. in the twelfth century, in allusion to the name lois, or lys. It appears amongst the Royal Badges in England in the time of the STUARTS."

-- A GLOSSARY OF TERMS USED IN HERALDRY (http://www02.so-net.ne.jp/~saitou/cgi-bin/more.cgi?input=Fleur%20de%20lis)

-Oz

Redking
Feb 02, 2004, 09:48 AM
Thank you for your hard work. They look great.

Ozymandias
Feb 02, 2004, 09:52 AM
-- Sorry, meant to append this to the last post, for those few of us who might not know what a fleur de lys looks like up close (well, closer than on those sails anyway ...)

-Oz

Ozymandias
Feb 02, 2004, 09:57 AM
-- And Aaglo! -- I got so caught up in research I neglected to mention how extraordinary your ships (always!) are. :crazyeye:

-Oz

Aluminium
Feb 02, 2004, 07:25 PM
About the flag.

I have look around at crwflags. The Greeks have used this flag without the lilies some times, last during the dictatorship in the 70's of last century, but never at sea. So it must be a French flag, then they used it on ships. A similar kind of flag is the one of the Canadian province Quebec. Note: Xebec <-> Quebec ! Coincidence? :confused:

@aaglo

Thanks for this brilliant ships! :goodjob:

BTW: I hope your creating break will be shorter as the last one. :cry:

Arne
Feb 03, 2004, 05:06 AM
Originally posted by Aluminium
Note: Xebec <-> Quebec ! Coincidence? :confused: Hm, yes. I think it's coincidence. AFAIK "Quebec" sounds like something in Huronian(?) (native American) language.

Wallabulla
Feb 03, 2004, 08:35 AM
Great units as usuall aaglo, gonna use one of them as flavor units for some of the civs :)

bogdanSUPERIUS
Feb 17, 2004, 12:21 PM
Great stuff...:goodjob:

jzsf
Mar 20, 2004, 11:52 AM
Good work aaglo! Ur naval units are GREAT! :goodjob:

Fanatica
Mar 23, 2004, 11:53 AM
Truly beautiful. It adds style to the game.
Can't wait for more so I can dump some of the standard vessels.