This is the official thread of the Capital Province of Berry.

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Governor of Berry: Plexus
Deputy Governor of Berry: CivGeneral


Announcements:

Welcome, fellow Berrichons, to the Province of Berry.
I would like to thank everyone who voted for me in the election! :D
Please welcome our deputy, CivGeneral, to his office.

City Name Growth In Population Food Eaten/Stored Sheilds Wasted/Produced Corruption/Commerce Maintenance Happy/Content Science Treasury

Deux Rivières (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=76699) 1 1 2.5 0.1 0.5 0 2.1 5 0
Vo Mimbre (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78284) 2 4 8.2 1.6 1.6 1 2.2 5 0
Montpellier (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78040) 7 4 8.2 0.1 3.5 0 2.1 5 0
Huntington (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78468) 7 2 2.2 0.2 0.3 0 2.2 3 0
Santa Lucia 10 1 2.2 0.2 0.3 0 0.1 3 0

Build Queues

Deux Rivières: Warrior[8]->Worker(10)->Warrior(10)->Settler(30)
Vo Mimbre: Barracks[5]->Horseman(5)->Worker(2)->Settler(5)
Montpellier: Worker[7]->Worker(10)->Warrior(10)
Huntington: Worker[2]->Galley(15)
Santa Lucia: Worker(5)->Warrior(5)

Flag:

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D'azur aux trois fleurs de lys d'or, à la bordure engrêlée cousue de gueules.

Wonder Building Time? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78344)

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Congrats to plexus, As deputy govenor, I hope to one day prove myself and earn my seat in the govenor's chair :).

Congratulations.

I have posted a refusal poll regarding the appointment of CivGeneral as deputy of Berry province. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77265)

Discussion thread created (Lt. Govenor's sponsered thread)

Discussion on the Province of Berry (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77273)

The Berry Provincial Borders (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77340) poll has been posted.

I have posted a poll concerning the building of a temple in Deux Rivieres:

Temple in Deux Rivieres? (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=77353)

Informal poll

I have posted a poll on the choice of cities to be chosen as a Settler/Worker factory. This poll will determine which city gets to build a granary.

Settler/Worker Factory asignment poll (Informal) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=1563825#post1563825)

i would like to request an official answer to the following questions:
1. is the governor or Berry province looking for Mayors for the towns of Vo Mimbre and Vandelay?
2. if so, could i be mayor of Vo Mimbre?

I wish to submit my application for Mayorship of Groton, Fanatica.

And I wish to submit my wish to be the mayor of Montpelier.

Hehehe. Sorry Noldo. Montpellier is not spelled that way. ;)

As I named this city, I wish to be Mayor of Montpellier. I am not sure which city Noldo is talking about. ;)

Well, Plexus, who will it be?

Governor Plexus, I ask that for the next turnchat that your build orders have some more military units included. Our armed forces have decreased since the last turnchat to an almost unacceptable size for operations I will need to conduct. Thank you for consideration.

- Sarevok

New Mayors

Vo Mimbre: RoddyVR
Groton: CivGeneral
Montpellier: Cyc (Sorry Noldy, city namers take priority)

I saw your orders, thank you Plexus.

To: The Governor of Berry Province

From: The Mayor of Montpellier

Re: Mayoral Appointment

Thank you, Governor Plexus for appointing me Mayor of Montpellier. I will try to do my best in all areas. As of now, my plans include opening the Vineyards of Fanatica, home of the Fanatican Winery. The CHD Office will be relocated to the City Hall in Montpellier, where I, as Mayor will open the City Chapter for the CHD Storyline. I will also try to keep you abreast of needs of the Citizens of this great city. Once again, thank you, I will keep in touch. :thumbsup:

Mayor Cyc

Originally posted by Sarevok
I saw your orders, thank you Plexus.

No problemo. :D

Originally posted by Plexus
Montpellier: Cyc (Sorry Noldy, city namers take priority)

Dang. Well, my congratulations to Cyc.

Thank you, Noldodan. And good luck to you in finding a City of your own. :) Many more are sure to be settled.

Governor Plexus,

Thank you for your recent instructions, they look to be very thorough.

On another note, would you mind adding the game year to your first couple of posts where you list some wonderful information? I think it would be easier for our citizens to see how well you keep it up to date.

Kindly,

zorven
President of Fanatica

Sure thing, Zorven.

Vo Mimbre City thread

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78284

Thanks for letting me be mayor!

I've put the main city info into the thread, gotta figure out/find explanation for how to get a screenshot in Civ then i'll get that in there.

No problem, Roddy, just don't be letting me down. :D

Groton City Thread

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1585529#post1585529

Ill get the screenshots, City Flag, and City Seal up and running. I just gotten over from a bad head cold.

Lord Governor Plexus,

I send good news from the southern shore. The bustling town of Huntington is growing steadily, despite the surrounding jungles, and we are in the process of recruiting our first warriors to aid in our national defense. Please accept this gift on behalf of your citizens here on the coast struggling to turn this patch of land into an oasis for all Fanatikans.

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image courtesy of http://www.selfimages.com

I would like very much to serve as your eyes and ears in this coastal community. If you see fit, please appoint me as Lord Mayor of Huntington so that I can help direct this very promising community to becoming the cultural center of our empire that it deserves to be.

Your faithful servant,
FortyJ

I thank the people of Huntington for their gift; I shall hang it in my palace East of Deux Rivières. And as to your desire to be Mayor, I shall grant the mayorship to you, as you were the original namer and your convincing rhetoric on the issue. Good luck and God-speed in your new position.

Governor Plexus, I ask that you incorpirate more troops in build orders. Our losses to barbarians are too heavy to be building temples or such buildings. We need as many troops as possible to eliminate this threat.

- Sarevok

I disagree, the temple build in Groton is going to be key in our future defense, how do you expect us to be a military power without iron? On top of that, the shields used so far in the Groton build would be wasted if I were to change it.

It would be a waste of shields to switch from Improvements to Units. Its best that the current Temple be built first.

Originally posted by Plexus
I thank the people of Huntington for their gift; I shall hang it in my palace East of Deux Rivières. And as to your desire to be Mayor, I shall grant the mayorship to you, as you were the original namer and your convincing rhetoric on the issue. Good luck and God-speed in your new position. Many thanks Lord Governor. I have established a thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78468) that shall serve as the hub of information for the township of Huntington.

I wish to thank all those involved in directing the task force of workers that have been hard at work constructing the roadway that will connect our quaint town with the rest of the nation. We are working hard to find a way to package the wonderful dyes around our town so that we can deliver them to the rest of the nation and share their beauty with all Fanatikans.

For now, I strongly request that we retain those workers once the road is completed so that we can clear some of the jungle and convert it into workable land. While true Huntingtonians have come to appreciate the rainforest for all it offers, the dangers of disease and the lack of productivity from this terrain call for its conversion to something more workable as soon as possible.

Other than that, I ask that you consider the potential commercial prowess of our town when assigning production orders for us. The bonus commerce from our dyes, combined with the proximity to the river and coastline should not be neglected. We should attempt to construct roads to every region of our workable terrain and if we can discover a way to amplify the natural commercial power of our city, we should make every effort to do so at our earliest convenience.

Thank you again for your trust in me and the people of Huntington. We hope to become a beacon for your province and for all of Fanatika.

Respectfully,
Lord Mayor FortyJ of Huntington

Plexus, I accept your offer of the Mayorship of Vandelay. The city thread will be up very soon.

Originally posted by Plexus
I disagree, the temple build in Groton is going to be key in our future defense, how do you expect us to be a military power without iron? On top of that, the shields used so far in the Groton build would be wasted if I were to change it. If the next city is founded NE of Groton, the iron will be in the combined boundaries.

In this likely case Groton would be even more important for the military power of Fanatika and Berry if the temple is switched to barracks!

I agree with keeping the Temple in Groton. By the time we got a Settler over to the proposed site North of Groton for the simple reason of enveloping the Iron, the Temple would only have like 7 turns remaing to complete. If we wind up sending a Settler over there, it would be a waste of a Settler and make the Culture generating Temple less important. Stick with the Temple and send the Settler somewhere a little more effective. ;)

Originally posted by Cyc
Stick with the Temple and send the Settler somewhere a little more effective. ;)
I couldn't agree more. The settler has to go to the wheat on flood plain site NW, but alas: uninformed people may vote otherwise .......

Governor Plexus:
I am starting to get angry over the build orders. We do not need as many spearmen as allocated, but warriors and eventually swordsmen. We have enough spearmen for operations and the ques put in too much. I have a problem with the lack of speedy production as we are too weak domestically for a firm establishment as rapid expansionism is what we need, not lounging around with a tiny state that will get us killed later. Also, be sure to check my military plans, because some of the units that were to be built for this turnchat were suddenly changed at the last second, completely upsetting my plan and making our tactical situation worse. If I am declared to not be doing good at keeping our threats down, I will point out that the plans were right, the Governors were not.

Sarevok, bite me. If you have a problem with my queues, take them up with me before the chat.

excuse me? you dare to think I dont know what our military needs? Understand you are Governor, not Defense Minister. Ill tell you what our military needs.

Sarevok, if you had wished to make a suggestion for my queues, you should have done so before the chat. There is nothing I can do now.

And keep in mind that it is my responsibility to make the queues and if you want something done, you have to ask me or I will continue my plans, that's just the way things are.

Originally posted by Sarevok
Governor Plexus, I ask that you incorpirate more troops in build orders. Our losses to barbarians are too heavy to be building temples or such buildings. We need as many troops as possible to eliminate this threat.

- Sarevok

as I said here... It was also a discussed issue at the ministry of defense.

Originally posted by Chieftess
I'd really urge (the) governor(s) to build more warriors, or spears, along with horses to form a sentry net. A Sentry Net will lift the fog of war at key points, so that we see all of the terrain. This means no (or fewer) surprise barb attacks.

Originally posted by Chieftess
And at that, 1 spear = 2 warriors. We don't NEED all these spearmen yet! The only time we'd need spears are in our border cities if we're at war. Towards the middle ages, yes, we should put more spears in our cities. It's the warriors that should be built en masse to deal with these barbs...

(I'm reminded of a certain "strategy" by Eklektikos...)

anyway, warriors can be upgraded to swords, too, and we need horses.

It would be alot easier BTW to deal with these issues if you came to the turnchats.

I would come to the turnchats if I were able to, today, I was not. Most weekday chats are scheduled when I am in school. Now that I am aware of your suggestions in building more warriors in place of spearmen, I will be sure to take that into account,

Remember, I have to juggle the competing demands of the military and domestic builds. I'm not here just to build an army.

BTW: I'm sorry if I've come off a bit to harsh in some of my former posts, it was not my intent to do so, I still have a great deal of respect for you, Minister Saervok.

I would like to suggest we slip in a barracks somewhere and then build all military in that city from that point forward.

Newly built towns should build some number of warriors until population 2 is reached, and then a worker.

Originally posted by DaveShack
I would like to suggest we slip in a barracks somewhere and then build all military in that city from that point forward.

i agree. seems reasonable that that city should be one that can produce relatively quickly, but does not grow too quick (because that would require constant settler/worker builds which would waste the "ability" of the barracks).

i think Vo Mimbre should be it for these reasons:
its the city with the slowest food production other then Groton and Huntington, but Groton is way more corrupt (so production would be slower) and Huntington wont be producing ANYTHING till most of that jungle is cleared(no shields).

it actualy has a good production base (relative to the other cities in the nation)

its prety centralized so the new military can reach whichever side of our nation it needs to relatively quickly.


on a side note, i dont understand why a settler was built out of Vo Mimbre, it'll take it 20 turns to recover from that 'hit' to its population and it isnt like it was heading for overpopulation or anything (ie unhappiness due to overpop)

I completely agree: Vo Mimbre is the unit production machine and should get barracks now.

I suppose the settler was built because out of sheer stupidity Deux Riviere and Vandelay were not improved into settler factories and we still need a lot of settlers and workers.

i agree with the message of tao's second paragraph, though i would not have used the word "stupidity" to describe the actions of my bosses (mayor be small guy in government, lol).

i would actualy propose that the currently producing spearman be switched to barracks, but ofcourse the settler needs an escort, so that wont happen. if it werent for the barb hut up north, i'd suggest leaving Vo Mimbre undefended for a little while (it has no need of military police at all for atleast another dozen turns)

Here is a suggeston from a citizen who went to the ministry of defense. I completely argee with what he said and i thnk its a better paln for armed buildup then we have now:

Originally posted by tao
To strengthen our military, we need more units. Veteran chariots or horses preferably. Some warriors as initial builds, military police, and future swords.

I strongly suggest the following actions: change Groton from temple to barracks. With the new city, we have the iron in our borders and a strong military base in the SE is extremely valuable.
Build workers ASAP to mine some more tiles to increase production. It is absolutely ridiculous that have only 2 shields per turn in Vandelay. This could easily be doubled or tripled.

PS: Tell those not knowing it that on Monarch we have a 100% offensive(!) bonus vs. barbarians. Attack 1 vs. barbs is 2! But there is no bonus on defense. Thus spears is wrong, chariots/horses are right.

BTW Plexus, sorry if I sounded harsh myself. :)

I dont beleve we should switch from building a temple in Groton to barracks. We need that temple to expand our culture in order for us to have access to the Iron resource first.

I beleve we should first build the Temple and then build the Barracks to build vet Swords.

Where is the settler/spear near Montpellier heading? If to spot H, iron is ours in 4 turns. And barracks would be done.

The temple would need 11 turns ........
And the barracks 12 - 15 in addition ......

Do we want swords in 5 turns or in 24 ?

tao, it is heading for spot H as that was the second place choice in the city site poll at the time of the chat.

Vandelay queue proposal: Worker, Granary, Settler. Alternately, if you could get a Worker up there first or second turn, please use the following queue: Granary, Settler, Worker.

The provincial borders poll has produced a winning proposal. Here is the map which has been adopted by the people.

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Originally posted by Noldodan
Vandelay queue proposal: Worker, Granary, Settler. Alternately, if you could get a Worker up there first or second turn, please use the following queue: Granary, Settler, Worker. Mayor Nolodan: Is this a queue or a build order proposal? Vandelay is currently at 0 shields just starting a spear. Is it correct to assume the spear is switched to worker?

Congratulations on getting your Provincial borders set up, Governor Plexus. You now have a fine Province. I'm so glad Montpellier made the list of cities in our Capital Province. Again, congrats!

Hmm, Now Groton has no provance to call its own :(

I have begun making maps of the province, which can be found at post 6 of this thread:

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Originally posted by Plexus
I have begun making maps of the province, which can be found at post 6 of this thread:

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I fail to see the advantage of the png files, since the large version is only 240 kb i.e. 1/7th the size as jpeg while being of nearly the same quality as can be seen here. (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/BC0775berrymaplg.jpg)

Because I said so? Future versions will likely be in jpeg.

Governor Plexus,

Before you post instructions, I ask that you make 2 changes to the current build orders:

- The Spearman in Production at VM should be changed to a Warrior. There is no shield loss, and the settler waiting in VM will get to move 2 turns faster.

- The Spearman in production at Montipellier should be changed to a Archer. There is no change in shield value, and I need an offensive unit for my coming offensive against the Barbarian camp (see turnchat instructions for more details). We also dont need another Spearmen unit in that general area at this time.

Thank you very much,

Sarevok
Minister of Defense

excerpts from the scroll delivered to Governor Plexus by Mayor FortyJ (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1598476#post1598476)

Lord Governor Plexus,

The People of Huntington desire greatly to become the shining jewel of Berry province. In order to do so, we reassert our previous requests for more workers to convert the surrounding terrain to something more workable.

The faster we can accomplish this, the better it will be for the entirety of Berry province and Fanatica as a whole. Because of our proximity to Deux Rivieres, we should experience limited waste and corruption in our town. Thus, it would benefit all if we could grow to a respectable size.

The dyes nearby offer a considerable bonus to our commercial output - making these tiles workable could result in a significant contribution to our research budget as well as increase the productive capacity of the town which at the moment, due to the abundance of jungle, is severely hampered.

We implore you to either produce more workers, or at the very least, urge the President to redirect at least one additional worker (resulting in at least 2 workers working to clear the jungle) to assist us in this effort.

Respectfully,
The Village Council of Huntington

PS. Please let us know when you plan to come to visit. The people of Huntington are eager to thank you personally for all that you have done for us.

Dear Governor Plexus,

I've noticed that you're moving to the City of Mûre. Are you going to be Governing Berry Province from a city outside of the Berry Provincial borders? What's up? :(

Lord Governor Plexus,

By your leave, I am prepared to return to my home town of Huntington. I have communicated with the other membrers of the Village Council and we have concluded that the best course of action for our town is as follows:

We desperately need a 2nd worker dedicated to improving the terrain around our town. However, since our growth rate is marginal at best, it seems prudent that this worker be recruited from elsewhere - perhaps another town with a higher growth rate that can recoup the population loss quicker.

We therefore request that you recruit a worker from another town for work in the Huntington jungles. If so, then please submit this production queue: Warrior (2), Galley (15)

If you cannot provide a worker from anywhere else for some time to come, then please submit the following production queue: Warrior (2), Worker (5), Galley (15).

Naturally, if the elite Babylonian forces currently stationed 20 miles from our town act hostile in any way, then we will gladly construct whatever the military department asks of us in order to defend our homeland.

Respectfully,
FortyJ
on behalf of the Huntington Village Council

Originally posted by Cyc
Dear Governor Plexus,

I've noticed that you're moving to the City of Mûre. Are you going to be Governing Berry Province from a city outside of the Berry Provincial borders? What's up? :(

Ah, so you've noticed. I will not be running for reelection next term.

Governor Plexus,

What are your plans for military buildup for this coming turnchat. I want to make sure we have sufficient units, but also to make sure domestic power is increased steadily.

Originally posted by Plexus


Ah, so you've noticed. I will not be running for reelection next term.

Sorry to hear that Plexus :(. Hopefully you would have faith in me to be your sucsessor :).

Discussion thread for queues to the Province of Berry (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79333)

CG, your queues you put up are counter-productive, id trash those buildings that will take over 15 turns to make and work on production power so that it wont take that long. Better to build an empire after infastructure instead of doing it like how you have.

Governor Plexus and Deputy CivGeneral,

Concerning build queues to be set up for tommorow's TC, I suggest for a future plan but not too late to fit a Barracks in one of our high production cities. as Iron will soon be avalible, we will likely want to upgrade our units so militarty operations can be conducted easier for the remainder of Term 2 and Term 3.

Originally posted by Sarevok
...... I suggest for a future plan but not too late to fit a Barracks in one of our high production cities.We have barracks in Groton.

Vo Mimbre finishes the barracks build in at most 5 turns. IMHO no more are urgently needed.

Reminder to post instructions in the TCIT, approx. 6 and a half hours till the TC