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Daftpanzer Feb 08, 2004, 01:25 PM /edit Ive included a lot of pictures here, which might take a very long time to load :)
This is my first full game on conquests, Ive decided not to play for an all-out victory. Instead i will try to be honourable, no breaking of treaties, and no razing of enemy cities.
Also, I will not strive to conquer enemy land completely. I will respect other cultures and their territory. So in war, i will take cities from the enemy only to achieve peace terms, and then i will hand back any gains to their rightful owners. However, I may keep some cities to act as military bases, or to limit the strength of an aggressive power.
Also I will try not to let any other civ go extinct. If possible, i will fight a war to reclaim the land of any civ that is being wiped out, and hand their cities back to them :)
The nature-worshiping celts will never cut down trees. I will even plant new forests in areas without very many of them (flat endless grassland just looks ugly to me). Any pollution will be kept to a minimum and must be dealt with fast so as not to offend the godess.
However, overiding all this will be the need to survive at all costs, by any means, if it comes to that.
Ive modded the game for extra ship movement and extra hit points on all experience levels, to counter act the extreemness of the random combat and make it more averaged out. Ill be playing with most of the new conquest civs. Also, a.i to a.i trading is reduced, to make world trade more intresting. Culture is kept on capture of a city. Otherwise the game is as normal.
So ill try to be a 'good guy' and help the weak nations survive, while trying to grow strong myself.....
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The start of the celtic story:
in 5000bc the high druids decided that the celts have to become more civilized, and expand and build a powerful nation to ensure that nature is respected and to ensure world peace.
Soon a settling expedition headed out into the unkown, accompanied by brave warriors, to share our peace and joy with the world. But disaster struck, as they ran into a barbarian horde. Their escorts were killed and our people were captured, or worse.
This is a major blow to our people. There were few families in Artefold that did not loose a loved one or a relative. It took years to recover. But the new generation shared one creed - All barbarian warriors must die! And so the celtic military tradition was founded - Warriors with selfless devotion to the people and the land, with no fear of pain or death. The barbarians were pushed back, and slowly, new cities are founded.
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/civ1.txt
As the high druids had prophesised, our people soon made contact with another great ribe, the incas. Incan cities soon surround much of our land (Just our luck, that our only neighbours are the most powerful civ at this time as it later turned out).
Peace couldnt last. The inca did not share our love of nature. They did not respect the trees, and they hunted animals and enslaved them for pure greed. Nor did the incas respect our sacred territory, which nature and fate had granted to us.
War broke out with the inca. The Celts asserted their sacred right to all land near the great sacred river, that flowed across the known world. Spurred on by the growing hostilities, our metalworking techniques greatly improved, and Celtic warriors soon carried swords of the finest quality. The new celtic swordsmen organsied into small bands capable of moving very quickly, and proved very effective at covering long distances between our cities and stopping any inca attacks. The odds turned in our favourm as unkown to us the incas are also fighting others at this time.
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/civ2.txt
This was the Celtic golden age. Our culture and our people flourished, many new towns were founded, and the incan enemy were held at bay (for now) loosing two of their cities to the brave celtic warriors. One fell into ruin, the other maintained an incan population, but we decided to keep it in our posession, as the incas were aggresive and dangerous. Many temples, marketplaces, libraries, granaries and harbours were built across the land.
We began expanding into the frozen northern lands, but we were to find many opponents - vast barbarian hordes, portuegese, vikings and incas all now tried to claim this land. First, we found a portuguese settlement being built there. This was seen as outrageous expansionism by them, with no respect to our sacred rights to this land. We attacked and conquered their city, unfortunately leaving it a smouldering ruin.
Later, we recieved the news that the portuguese homeland had been completely overrun by the incas and the portugeuse civilization had been utterly destroyed. We could have welcomed them to the north lands and helped them live in peace, but instead we helped exterminate them. This is a great loss to the world, and from now it was decided that we will have more respect for other nations (except the evil incas!).
Later, the strange vikings from some other continent settle in the very northern tip of the frozen north. We still considered these lands part of our nations sacred territory, but this time we let the foreginers settle in the harsh land. We respect the intrepid, adventurous nature of the vikings and they are welcome so long as they know we will tolerate no military aggression from them.
Meanwhile our own intrepid explorers are quietly circumnavigating our continent. We have established contact with many other great tribes. The Dutch, Mayan, Byzantine, and hittite nations share our continent with the incas and ourselves, and the new arrivals, the vikings. We established a colony on and unclaimed island off the hittite coast, to help our diplomats and traders reach these nations.
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/civcolony.txt
Our sailors suspected more land must lie over the seas, behind the 'big waters'. Indeed we knew the vikings came from somewhere out there, not on our continent. If they could make it across the vast oceans, so can we, and we looked for anything that might be a possible crossing point.
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/civcrossing.txt
We found it off the coast of the byzantine province of smyrna, the westernmost tip of the known land. The "smyrna crossing" became the gateway for several celtic explorers to a whole new continent. There were many new tribes to be found there. The most powerful were the americans, the iroquai, and the french. We traded technology and ideas from our home continent for luxuries, or offered them as gifts to help these less advanced people improve their quality of life.
It was soon found that the world consisted of two main land masses, and three much smaller islands. The coastlines of the whole world were more or less explored, a great feat for the celtic adventurers.
Now this first age of the celts, the golden age, was about to end. The old enemy, the inca, was about to wage war upon us with renewed strength...
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/civ3end1.txt
Hooray Feb 08, 2004, 01:57 PM Heh. Interesting. I await more.
I like the game concept, too.
Resistor Feb 08, 2004, 08:18 PM I like your screenshot editing, good work. I will be reading this.
Point13 Feb 08, 2004, 08:42 PM me too, how did you edit/take those screens?
Daftpanzer Feb 09, 2004, 10:49 AM thanks for the replies,
i just took screenshots using print screen key, and pasted them into my paint program, where i edited them a bit and moved stuff around
Daftpanzer Feb 09, 2004, 11:02 AM http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/civ31age.txt
At the end of the "first age", the celts were secure in the north of the home continent. Iron and horses were plentiful, and the land produced dyes and silks to trade with other lands. The land entrusted to the celts had become too large for the druids to rule directly, and a new 'monarchy' system arose were a 'king' was elected to rule over a union of city-states in cooperation with the high druids.
The celts also benefited at this time from one of the only communication routes with the other continent, which would be kept secret for many years. The vikings had also traveled around the world, but the celts had many new ideas to share.
At this time, the home continent was the most advanced. The amercians were the most advanced on their continent, frequently only 1 technology behind the celts, while others there such as the french and aztecs were 6 or more behind. The celts offered key technology such as writing and medicine for free, and traded other technologies for small profits. The celts hoped to establish good relations with the overseas people, but frequently met with hostility, such is the nature of the world.
Back home, the infrastructure of most of the celtic cities was now quite well developed, and production of military units increased. By this time, our celtic swordsmen had a long and glorious history but now they are becoming obsolete. The medieval age has dawned on us, and more organised troops with better armour and weapons begin to appear.
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/civ3incagood.txt
(Pink is not a very menacing colour for an evil superpower, but i assure you, they are evil!)
It was known that peace with the inca could not last. Although the celts had earlier taken land from the inca, it was known they had absorbed the portuguese lands and were on the verge of conquering all of the maya homeland too. No-one can remember exactly how the war started, some say it was because the incas sought to bring settlers into the north and they repeatedly violated our territrorial boundaries. Others say the celts refused to pay tribute, or even started the war themselves to help prevent the mayans in the far south of the continent from being overrun by the inca too.
Nonehteless, the war began, beginning a new age of conflict and strife. The celts were a fairly strong nation, but the inca stood at the height of their power, and were almost twice as large in land and population.
At first, though, hopes were high, as the the incas were not so militarily advanced as the celts, who were likely the first nation in the world to introduce the 'medieval swordsmen' tactic. It was felt that this would give an advantage in open battle. Also, the mayans appeared to be tough fighters, holding onto their remaining cities and drawing much of the inca warriors to the south.
So an army of the best troops and war machinery that the celts could muster was sent southwards. The incan capitol was suprisingly close to our borders and was the obvious target. A quick attack by celtic and medieval swordsmen smashed through the defences of machu pichu, opening the way to cuzco itself. With the captiol captured, surely the incas would be forced to make peace on our terms.
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/civcuzco1.txt
All effort was put into breaching the defences of this city, but the brave celtic warriors turned out to be too overconfident and too few. The celts could not make any more progress against the mighty defences of cuzco, and after a disasterous assault we were forced to retreat. Much celtic blood had been spilt at the gates of the inca's great captiol, and the vow was made to return someday, and honour these fallen with a great victory!
The celtic armies retreat to rebuild and reorganise, and for many long years we continue to fight off scattered incan attacks. New tactics were introduced, such as the use of armoured pikemen to defend our advancing troops, and the great marvels of medieval engineering, the great 'trebuchet' war machines, used more extensively by the celts than any other nation. Armoured knights also began to appear on the battlefield, but the celts favoured mass attacks by foot soldiers.
A war council of the king, and all the druids and province governors was called. Despite the technological advances, It was decided that the celts could not bring down such a great enemy by themselves at this time. Reluctantly, it was decided to seek another ally against the incas. Years ago the celts had contacted the nearby byzantine empire. The celts were full of admiration for their culture and now asked them to help defeat the evil expantionist incas, in retrun for gold and luxuries.
The war council also issued a directive that the celtic warriors should now try to encircle cuzco, rather than going directly against it, capturing the less heavily defended cities all around it.
While the byzantines fought back from inital losses to the inca, the celtic encirclement plan met with great success. Together with the byzantines and the mayans, the celts began to break the warlike and aggresive inca empire. The scale of the fighting increased to a level never seen before as all the forces the celts could muster moved on in two main thursts. Great battles were fought, tactics improved and great warrior leaders emerged to lead our ever increasing armies.
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/civ4.txt
The northern incan empire, heartland of their people and their culture, was now toally overrun by the celts, but cuzco remained under siege for a number of years. The incas tried to launch counter attacks, but their efforts were becommnig pityful. Three celtic armies of medieval infantry, supported by artillery, knights, pikemen, and many auxillary units, gathered for the final assault of cuzco, to avenge those brave warriors who fought and died there years ago. This time, the 'invincible' city fell with few losses to the celts, and with it, the dream of a mighty incan empire. To the south, the byzantines made their own gains, reaching the eastern ocean and the other side of the continent.
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/civ3incadead.txt
The incas and the celts had fought long and hard, and peace was being negotiated even as the fires still burned in cuzco. A Peace treaty was soon declared. A great victory for the celtic people and their allies! the feasting and celebration lasted almost a year.
The incas were left with a small number of cities in the south, while the celts have a greater power than ever before. However, the celts had desired only victory and peace, not conquest. Initially, the celtic leadership had no desire to hold onto all of this land, but it was not known who to give it to. The byzantines? they had enough territory already. Although they had become bitter enemies, the celts still respected incan culture. Perhaps one day, when the incas loose their bitterness and their desire for war, the celts would be able to hand back the incan heartland to its rightful owners. For now, most of the territory was occupied, with a few southern cities being handed back to the inca control.
Across the world, no major events happened during this time, apart from the american annexation of the viking colony on their coast. However, the germans were begining their attack on the innocent aztec kingdom...
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/civ32age.txt
Back home, the celts and the byzantines were now the two strongest nations, sharing good relations and in a position to decide the future of our contient. The celts had finally gained enough strength to help protect other nations across the home continent and ensure a balance of power, and the future looked bright.
But good relations with byzantium were not to last, and the collapse of incan power was destined to bring not peace, but choas instead. The celts had rongly assumed that the other nations would cease hostilites with the inca, but they had their own plans for the total annexation of all incan land.
.:KNAS:. Feb 09, 2004, 02:38 PM EXTREMELY good writing! :goodjob:
It's very fun to read, you should be proud. :)
Elias Rex Feb 09, 2004, 02:54 PM Great job! This is one of the best Civ aar's I've ever seen, especially the detailed screenshots. Lovin' it!
AWeeMoose Feb 09, 2004, 04:20 PM Absolutely excellent posting! Great story accompanied by cool diagrams. You even named everything! It rocks as hard as Sulla's stories do. :band:
This may just push me over the edge to write my own story complete with pictures. It seems like a lot of work, but if I can make one like this, it'll be worth it.
BTW, I don't mean to interrupt this thread, but anybody know of any other authors who write as well as Sulla and include cool pictures?
Hooray Feb 09, 2004, 05:33 PM Very good. Keep going.
This is the exact sort of thing I like to read here.
You're also making me want to download that graphic mod for the borders. Can you direct me to where you got it?
Point13 Feb 10, 2004, 07:25 AM Incas are gonna die. also how did you make the lines and blobs of color transparent?
Daftpanzer Feb 10, 2004, 06:11 PM Thanks very much for the compliments :) and for the interest in this too.
Im suprised anyone finds this actually interesting! (im sure its just cos i added pretty pictures :) ) Ill add more as soon as i can.
I have a program called 'micrografix picture publisher' that came with my scanner. Its basically a image editor, but lets you do some cool things. To get the transparency, i set an area as a 'mask' using one of the tools and then used a colour fill tool. The program lets you set the transparencey of the fill, from 0 to 100 %. Im sure theres a similar way to do this with paintshop or photoshop.
The border graphic was an experiment done by me, i forgot i was still using it. Its far from perfect, sometimes you cant even see it. I was trying to do a 'the settlers' style border (if anyone has played those games), or one that was more wriggly, than the perfectly square default one. Ill try to attach the file...
Point13 Feb 10, 2004, 06:35 PM thanks for the info :)
Daftpanzer Feb 11, 2004, 09:34 PM http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/civ33x.txt
Cuzco, once captiol of the greatest empire on the face of the world, had fallen to a new power. But the celts still respected the incas, and did not wish to see the end of inca power completely. The celts marvelled as they wandered through the maginificent buildings and great stepped pyramids of the newly conquered incan cities. The celts knew they had won the war, and didnt want to inflict any more damage on the incas or on their own people. Warriors returned home, arms and armour were secured in fortresses and people went back to building up and improving the newly expanded nation.
However, the byzantines saw only a 'barbarian' tribe brought to weakness. In an insult to the celts, the byzantines launched a lightning assault on the territory that the celts had earlier taken, but had given back to the inca after peace was declared. The incas had little time to rebuild defences, and the cities were soon under imperial control. Byzantium was expanding its position on the east coast. Relations between the two greatest powers on the continent began to deteriorate. The mayans and now the dutch also began attacking the remainder of the incan empire, reducing it to no more than a minor nation. But while Byzantium remained hostile, there was little the Celts could do without leaving themselves open to attack. It was hoped that the incas would be able to defend their last few cities without outside assistance.
In the celtic royal palace, king brennus XVII (there having been many brennus's in the line of kings) began having strange dreams, death, fire, smoke and destruction, galloping horses, and strange metal tubes that belched smoke, flame and thunder. The druids had only one interpretation "A new age of war is coming to us. War will come in the south, war with many foreign peoples. But not yet..."
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/civ33bren.txt
The years were prosperous, the celtic nation became one of the leading scientific nations. A new colony was founded, on the end of an island chain off the eastern coast of the continent. The economy improved, and great new cathederals and universities rose from the celtic cities.
Brennus XVII could not enjoy the peace, but nor did he wish to disturb the optmistic mood by making war preparations.
Some years later, distrubing news came. The byzantines had declared war on the viking norsemen. The vikings were our friends, and we could not allow the byzantines to capture the viking lands in the north of our continent. But war was avoided for a while longer, while it was uncertain how this conflict would progress.
Then came the most distrubing news of all. Imperial byzantine forces had crossed the boundary mountains and were already inside celtic territory. Apparently, they intended to march the long route through our entire nation to reach the viking lands, stealing goods and harassing the population as they went. Such a personal and political insult to the celtic people could not be tolerated. It was time to take a stand, or became a puppet and slave of the Byzantine Empire. A final demand for byzantine withdrawl from all Celtic lands was issued. Brennus and the high druids already knew what the reply would be, and the call to arms was carried throughout the land.
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/civ33zz.txt
The celts took the initiative, ambushing the byzantine forces in the incan plains were there was little defensive ground. It was not in the celtic warrior tradition to allow onself to be overwhelmed by an opponent, the reputation and awe of the byzantine empire counted for little on celtic soil.
The Byzantines were suprised by the ferocitiy of the celtic attack, which left almost all of their inital invasion force dead or captured. Further moves by the byzantines also failed. In the border mountains, now garrisoned by celitc pikemen, the byzantines waged a flawed and expensive war of attrition, repeatedly attacking defended mountain passes with heavy cavalry.
Meanwhile the celts concentrated in the east, capturing all the land the byzantines had gained form the inca. However it was not an easy task. New weapons appeared on both sides, the dreaded gunpowder weapons. Byzanitne musketeers often caused great damage to attacking celtic swordsmen. One celtic army was so badly mauled in the fighting that there was not enough men or leaders to rebuild it. But by aggresiveness, organisation and weight of numbers, the fighting here ended in victory for the celts.
The celts now found themselves coming into contact with mayan military forces, whgo were attemtping to capture a nearby incan city. Without provocation, the mayan terrorist group known as the "Knights Templar" launched a "crusade" to "push back the northern pagans". In reality, it seems they just wanted all the incan lands to themselves. The celts now had two enemies in the current war.
However, the mayan crusaders, whilst brave and tough fighters, were too few to have any impact on the large celtic force that was now in the area. Most of the crusaders fought to the death against overwhelming odds and were killed. Scattered mayan attacks continued, but these were no more than raiding parties.
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/civ34.txt
The Byzantines, seeing the failure of their own offensives, were now compelled to seek peace. Yet again, the celts had fought against the most powerful empire on the continent and won.
Meanwhile the incas still struggled to hold onto their last few cities, but this time the Celts decied that incan territory would only be returned if either the incan/mayan/byzantine fighting ended or if the incas were faced with total destruction. In the meantime, celtic culture began to become establsihed in the captured incan lands as a side effect of the occupation. The Celtic leadership also started to like the idea of port cities on the coast of the "sea of portugal", providing better access to the eastern ocean.
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/civ31335bc.txt
(can you tell i was bored one day?)
The celtic nation reached a new high point, which would not be reached again for centures. More trouble was brewing however, and the celts and the whole home continent would soon be shaken by the rampage of a mighty horde of cavalry.
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/civ33horsies.txt
Pint Feb 12, 2004, 05:44 PM Best. Story. Ever
I love all the pretty pictures and our playing styles are almost identical!
I love the detail in that last map, you even put your colonies and pointed to them on the minimap instead of using a whole new pic to show them. Just Wow! I can't wait for the next installment!
silver 2039 Feb 12, 2004, 08:08 PM Is that last pic from the movie Atilla?
The Lodian Feb 13, 2004, 01:21 PM This is GREAT!!!! I love the story and the pictures diffinatly bring the story greater apeal, hoping this story continues...
Fanatix Feb 13, 2004, 07:53 PM THIS IS AWESOME! I have a mac, therefore I am prohibited from playing my 2 favorite civs, which happen to be the celts and the inca. Please continue, I love the story.
Espírito Feb 14, 2004, 07:24 AM hurry up with the next part i can't wait for it! THe background is so plausible and personalised I love it.
Daftpanzer Feb 14, 2004, 07:49 AM Thanks very much for the replies!
I did an image search on google to try and find some pics for the story. I dunno it that pic was from atillia or not, it does look very mongolian.
Next part ill add today, hopefully,
silver 2039 Feb 14, 2004, 02:19 PM How much did you increse the hitpoints of expirence level? Also continue this is great! We want more pictures!
Daftpanzer Feb 14, 2004, 07:41 PM http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/po16.txt
The Imperial palace, Constantinople. A spring morning, 1290 bc. A court messenger enters the throne room and bows.
"Empress, the Hittite ambassador is here"
Theodora, dressed in gold and silk, was not sat upon her throne, but instead was gazing out a window, out across the magnificent palaces and temples of the city. Red banners were caught high in the morning wind. Merchants were setting up market stalls. Scholars were gathering in the teaching places and science acadamies. Imperial soldiers wearing magnificent armour and carrying mighty weapons marched all along the city walls.
Beyond, peasants and farmers worked the land for miles around, over the horizon. All this, as far as she could see, and much more, was hers to rule. It was her destiny to spread the glory of the Byzanitine Empire. And somehwere out there, to the north, beyond the horizon, only a race of unruly pagan barbarians stood in the way of her destiny.
Theodora wispered to herself : "Is there really no general in all this land of mine who is capable of defeating simple minded barbarians?"
"Empress, i beg your pardon, but the hit-"
"Show him in!"
"At once, your highness"
The messenger bowed again and backed out of the room. Shortly after, a strangely dressed man entered, bowing his head quickly and slightly, carrying himself in a rather regal manner.
"So, ambassador. Your king has reviewed our proposal?"
"Yes, your highness"
"And what was your master's decision in this matter?"
"His lord, king Mursilis, accepted the proposal. He wishes me to convery the message to you, that he has already begun preparations, and you have his full support"
"Good.... good...."
Theodora walked over to the window again and looked out. "How do I rule... do I gamble...?"
"I beg your pardon, your highness?"
"Nothing. My aids will show you to suitable accomodation. I would like you to meet with our council, and the Mayan and Dutch ambassadors at noon. We have things to discuss...."
Up in the north, the celtic nation once again enjoyed peace and security. Confidence was high. Celtic armies gathered all along the southern frontier, ready to meet any threat. Incan and celtic cultures were merging in the soutern lands. Celtic leaders but prioity on social tolerance and understanding. People of incan origin even joined the celtic army. In Artefold, the nations captiol city and historic original homeland of the celts, a great monument was being built to honour the heroes of the celtic epic sagas.
Disturbing news came from overseas... the Aztec nation had been completely conquered by the Germans. Passing celtic ships had reported fighting along the coastal cities, but the end was suprisingly swift. We had expected the aztec nation to survive in the interior, but it appears they had only a few cities there which had already fallen. Another great loss to the freedom and diversity of the people of the world. Both the aztecs and portuguese are now lost to history. We cannot let this happen again! even if we have to give up one of our provinces as a safe home for an overseas nation, we will not let it happen again!
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/civ332.txt
(Germany assures the world of its 'good' intentions towards the aztecs)
The home continent was at peace, save for ongoing turmoil in the southern incan lands. Two provinces gained from byzantium had been returned to the inca, only to be conquered again by the dutch and mayans. A concern, but not too troubling. The real threat was still seen as byzanitum, but it was hoped they had now learned to respect the celts, and relations would have a chance to improve.
It was not to be. Once again, after only a short few years of peace, byzantine forces crossed the frontier into celtic territory. Once again, they declined to withdraw. Once again, the sounds of battle and of human suffering were to resonate across the frontier lands.
As the finsihing touches were being made to the monument in artefold, the first fighting of this latest war began. The fighting was fierce from the start, byzantine forces raided all across the southen frontier, capturing guns and taking away prisoners. The celts had built fortresses on the boundary mountains, protected by pikemen and some musketeers, but often these were not able to hold off attacks by the powerful byzantine knights. The celts had been slow to upgrade the pikeman garrison forces with the new muskets, and now were paying the price for it.
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/potential4
(Celts struggle with a byzantine raiding force)
The celtic leaders were furious. A war council was called at Tiwanaku. King Brennus XVII had been suceeded by king Brennus XIIX. With almost all of their gains from other nations already captured in the last war, the new king was in favour of direct action against byzantium this time and the council was agreed. Increased funding for the upgrading of troops was approved. And the high druids issued a directive to celtic forces: "We suspect the byzantine dromons will raid our shores with greek fire. Attack their coastal cities. Leave no safe harbour for them near the borders of our homelands!"
Gunpowder weapons were now the main defensive weapons of both sides, and capturing cities would be difficult. Nonetheless, the celts decided to try an offensive, supported by concentrated cannon artillery. The celts also felt their superior army organisation would give them the advantage. Forces began to gather for the assault.
However, the offensive was delayed when the mayans declared war on us once again. A large force had to be detached to secure the incan city the mayans had occupied on our south east border. The city was poorly garrisoned with only a few pikemen, and it fell after a brief struggle. These forces were then quickly sent by the new caravel class of ship along the coast to the mayan homeland, were it was hoped a city could be captured and peace could be forced upon them.
There were no mayan ships to oppose the invasion, but upon landing, mayan counter attacks soon caused all ideas of advancing futher to be abandoned. But, the outnumbered expedition force retreated to the mayan mountains were they held their ground. There they caused a good amount of damage to the mayan forces before caravels were able to rescue them. War with the mayans continued, but now we had the incas and dutch between us.
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/civ331
(The first celtic joint land/naval invasion. It didnt achieve much)
Meanwhile, the offensive against the byzantines had got underway. Niassus and Dyrachium fell with some difficulty, but after this, Byzantine resistance seemed to collapse, and first the important city of Varna fell, and then the coastal town of Caesarea, not far from great Constantinople itself. Cannons proved quite effective, and it was shown that even more obsolete untis could still defeat fortified musketeers when operating as part of a well organised, cohesive army. There was no sign of byzantine dromons raiding our shores, presumably they were defending their remaining coastline.
"We shall occupy many Byzantine cities!" declared Brennus XIIX on the annual 'state of the war' address, "We will teach them the results of waging war on our people. Our warrior spirit cannot be broken!" Additionally, cuts in military spending and production were announced, as it was felt victory was at hand.
Then came a new suprise. The dutch, a nation with which we had good relations (they were polite and we had helped them with many technologies), signed a pact with the mayans and delcared war on us. We hoped this would be a case of moral rather than actual support from them. But true to their word, dutch forces invaded celtic lands from thier outpost, a captured incan city on our border. Their longbowman failed to make an impact on our local garrion forces and were defeated, while their swiss mercenaries walked menacingly around the mountains. They were known as tough fighters, and we were lucky in that were never forced into battle against them.
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/civ333dutch
While the dutch could not yet threaten any of our cities, the situation was dangerous as it left only the Incas (who were a broken power) and the Hittites (of unkown size and strength) at peace with us on the home continent...
Back in constantinople, Theodora was furious. "It was not in our agreement that Byzantium should be invaded while your people do nothing!!!" the Empress yelled at the Hittite ambassador, "You would see us bled dry while your lands are kept safe!"
"I beg you pardon, Empress. I think youll agree, the advance of the celtic pagan barbarians is unexpected. But if you would just order your forces to hold the line while lord Mursilis prepares his-"
"His what!!!! You and your 'king' have nothing but empty promises. I will not see my army wiped out. We will fall back and defend this city and the south of the empire. We will stretch them out, but not engage them. But if your people take action, as agreed, then i will reconsider."
"Empress, i have assurances that lord Mursilis is already underway with his forces. I resent your-"
"Get out of my sight! Infact, you are banished, until i hear word that the Hittites have taken action agaisnt the barbarians and kept their word!"
The ambassador bowed slowly and deliberately, and left the room. Before Theodora could calm down, a messenger entered.
"Your highness! good news! the Hittites move north to meet the barbarians!"
"They do? for certain?"
"Yes, your highness. They move towards Varna at this moment!"
"Varna? Varna!!!" Theodora fell to her knees. "You b*st*rd!!!!!" She screamed, close to tears, close to collapse, "Not against our own people! that horde of pillaging cavalry, against our own people! They were supposed to attack the celts in their own lands! their own lands!!!"
Aids and councillors rushed to her side, but there was nothing they could say. Northern byzantium would now become part of the hittite kingdom, the price of bringing down the celts. A price which was a little too high to afford, but now there was no choice.
Out in the front line, celtic scouts had seen Hittite cavalry near their advance forces, but nothing was thought of it. "They are just ensuring their own land isnt attacked. The Hittites have no need to worry, our war is with Byzantium" But it soon became clear, that the hittites wanted a war was with the celts!
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/civ33hittie
The celts had never yet seen anything like it. The hittites must have been building up their cavalry force for countless years. In one strike, Varna, and its numerous celtic defenders inculding a damaged army, were completely destroyed. Hittite cavalry roamed at will, smashing even fortified musketeer defences. Many cannons were captured. Their cavaly was an evolution above the armoured knights the celts and byzantines still used. Their tactics were deadly and the celts had no real answer.
The Hittites soon captured all the gains the celts had made agaisnt the Byzantines except Ceasarea, were surviving celtic forces had rushed to gather for a last stand. But the hittite horde more or less ignored them and instead moved futher north, leaving them trapped.
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/po12
(The immediate aftermath of the first assault)
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/potential3
(A celtic garrison is overrun by the hittite horsemen)
There was a sandy peninsular, previously unihabited and lying between celtic and byzantine borders, which the celts were now in the process of colonising. A large number of workers had moved in to build a road, and a coastal trading city was planned to be built there. The celts concentrated on evacuating the workers and settlers out of the area, and succedded, loosing many men in doing so.
But now the hittites moved even further, and in a suprise move they captured the celtic/incan city of Tiwanaku where the celtic war council had met at the beginning of the war, a blow to celtic pride. It is estimed that by this time, around half of the celtic offensive military untis had been destroyed, including one whole army, and many, many defensive units also.
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/potential5
(Was a new empire was in the making?)
But the hittite cavalry was beginning to wear thin. Damaged and isolated cavalry units were being picked off by the remaining celtic forces. The hittite attacks began to lack direction (intelligence reports blamed the high quantity of alchohol consumed by the hittite forces). Musketeers were being rushed en mass to the front, preventing further losses. Most celtic cities and provinces began focusing on building army units, and much effort was put into copying the hittite tactics and developing a new celtic cavalry force.
Had the hittites 'shot their bolt', or was this just a beginning? and what was byzantium planning? Nonetheless, Tiwanaku was soon recaptured, and the celts prepared for a new offensive on the turning of the tide, to retake their gains and force peace on byzanitum and the hittites.
http://www.geocities.com/daftpanzer/po15
silver 2039 Feb 14, 2004, 07:48 PM A bunch of your images are'nt showing.
Edit: Nevermind there showing now.
Edit: Hey that's Rise of Nation's:goodjob:
Daftpanzer Feb 14, 2004, 08:17 PM i messed up my initial posts, some of the image tags werent right. Looks like ive got it right now. My connection has slowed to a crawl, which is a pain for editing the post.
Yeah i was playing around with RoN today, and i thought it would make a cool screenshot!
About the experience levels, im using 5 hits for regular, 6 for veteran and 8 (IIRC) for elite. Dunno about conscript, either 4 or 3. Seems to work quite well for my games, well i like it at least.
Thanks again for the replies
CaptainCommando Feb 14, 2004, 09:00 PM Damn, this is brilliant! I LOVE the pictures with all the great editing and commentary, but i have my doubts about your playing style of tryig to play teh heroic defender, eventually it'll probably backfire and draw you into a massive war, the opposite of what you want, but hey, that'll make for even more great pictures :D
Unfortunately, the ones in your last post aren't showing up for me for some reason... oh well, the story is still really good.
EDIT: Oh, wait, there they go, that's better.
RagingBarbarian Feb 17, 2004, 10:36 AM the screenshots are great
RagingBarbarian Feb 17, 2004, 10:39 AM sorry I can't write longer posts, I'm doing this during class, I'll write more after I get home
CaptainCommando Feb 17, 2004, 04:06 PM Hey, we need more! I'm going through withdrawl over here! :mutant:
I imagine it must take awhile to play these big extended periods of play then edit all them pretty pictures, i wish i had the technology to do that, i don't even know how to take a screenshot and post it.
You hit like, CTRL+Print Screen right? How do you attach it to a post? Or put it in an art program to edit and screw with? I'd greatly appreciate this so i could make my own.
RagingBarbarian Feb 17, 2004, 05:57 PM How do you capture those screenshots, and what are you using to edit them. Many Times, I've wanted to capture some cool moments in the game but didn't now how
silver 2039 Feb 17, 2004, 05:58 PM http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=55122
Daftpanzer Feb 17, 2004, 06:45 PM Thanks again for the replies
To make my screenshots, i pasted them into the paint program i got with my scanner, that elts you do some cool stuff like the transparencies and text etc.
Ive actually uploaded to my free website rather than civfanatics at the mo. But i might do that from now on instead, because the pictures dont seem to show all the time, i think because of a byte-transfer limit.
Ive actually played up to start of ww1 technology (infantry/artillery) a hundred or so turns ahead, and been at war with pretty much everyone. Im still only around 950 bc! i screwed up the timescale by starting 1000 years earlier and lowering the year intervals, i went a bit too far. The game wont reach 1AD before the time runs out!
Ive got univeristy work and stuff, but Ill add more soon :)
Point13 Feb 18, 2004, 07:25 AM ouch that sounded like a real blow to the stomach
Daftpanzer Feb 19, 2004, 04:43 PM The celts had overcome the initial shock of the reversal the hittites had inflicted upon them. The whole nation was mobilised for war and revenge. The hitties had attacked to try and destroy celtic power. But destiny had called the celts to greatness, to act as a force for peace and justice in the world, and no foreign upstart nation would get in the way of this!
A new centre for administration and council meetings was finally completed on one of the cities on the old celtic/incan border. It was hoped the building would help weld together the celts and their incan population under their rule who still retained much of their culture, reducing crime and corruption. The building was supposed to be called the 'unforbidden palace', signifying its openess to the people as a place of debate and discussion, but due to a gallic/inca translation error, it became known as the 'forbidden palace'. Anyway, it helped reduce corruption and improve industry in many southern cities of the nation.
In the countryside around Tiwanaku, still littered with the rotting corpses of dead horses, a new rebuilt army was gathering. The army of Boudeca, one of the last survivng celtic armies, would lead the revenge of the celts. New cavalry units were trained, using new tactics developed to coutner the hittites. Musketeers and cannons also arrived in lage numbers.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/maya1.txt
The hittites had brougt in musketeers and infantry to guard their new conquest, but not in sufficient numbers. The celtic army struck back with their own new cavalry divisons. The fighting was fierce in places, but turned out to be something of an anti-climax. The celts managed to retake their original gains by 1202 bc. The hittites could only manage scattered counter-attacks and raids, there was no sign of any new cavalry horde that would shred our attacking army to pieces. Maybe the hitties had really already lost more than we realised.
A new council of war was gathered. What to do now? The byzantines remained hostile still, so it was decided to strike deeper into their land, and force them to make peace first. The hitties had fought bravely, but were now considered less of a threat. Surely they would make peace once the byzantines caved in?
The reconquest so far had not been without loss. But while some forces stayed back to reinforce and rearm, the majority of the army marched slowly but directly towards Constantinople. The byzantines were only capable of sporadic raids against the advancing force.
This show of strength against the Byzantines convinced them to sign a peace treaty, surrendering Varna and thier northern coastal cities, although Ceasarea was returned to byzanitne control. Now, only the hittites and the upstart maya remained hostile. With no real way to threaten mayan cities far beyond the celtic borders, the celtic high council signed a treaty with the maya and were ready to do the same witht the hitties. But sevel high councillors rallied support for continuing the struggle against the hitties. A new condition was put on peace with byzantium. They now had to give right of passage for our forces. The byzantine leadership agreed, either out of fear or the will to see the hitties suffer.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/po6.txt
And so, from the window of her palace, theodara watched as in the distance, the celtic armies turned south, with some relief. She hated them, how dare they parade infront of her like this, in her land. But she also hated the hittites now. If they had struck quickly and descivley into the heart of the celtic territory, they could have done some real damage to the barbarians. But instead they caused the war to be fought up and down the byznatine northern lands, leaving many cities severley damaged and occupied, and not affecting the main centres of celtic manpower and industry at all. That was simply a war of attrition, which they could never have won. The fools!
For the celtic expedition force travelling south from constantinople, led by Boudica, it was a long and hard march. The Byzantines, despite their desire to see the hitties suffer like they had done, still did everything they could to hold up the advance of the celtic troops without provoking a new war. Roads were frequently blocked off in mysetrious circumstances. The longer they spent travelling and the further they got from celtic borders, the smaller the celtic army felt. This was the most abitious operation yet attempted by the celts, now far from their own borders. Many times, consideration was given to abandoning the whole operation, but tradition and honour inspired the warriors to keep going.
Out in the plains near adrianople, the expedition force finsihed another day's long march and settled down to camp for the night. Incense production was the main industry here. As the warriors hammered on their tent pegs, many byzantine incense caravans travelled by, moving up and down the nearby road, wafting pleasent smells across the land. Boudica was reminded of more pleasant times back home. It was a hot, they had been marching for months, everyone was exhausted. In the top ranks, consideration was given to returning home.
Boudica entered the command tent to find her fellow generals there. Again they were arguing for a return home, or for a short, a limited raid against the hittites. The debate went on for some hours, until the sun had fully set. The mood was serious. The generals took a break, but it was clear the desicision was going in the way of going home.
But as the commanders stepped outside the tent, a horserider came galloping through the darkness, slowed, and handed a message to Boudica. Illuminated by torchlight, she read the scroll quickly. "From the High council, to Commander Boudica or the acting commander of the expedition.... The high council issues a directive to continue the operation, except in the situation of severe enemy resistance. Rendezvous with reinforcements at mount Ararat". The other commanders gathered round
"So, what knews, general boudica?"
In her military gear, illuminated by the torchlight, boudica was a striking figure, and as she turned to face them,
she seemed to have regained the fire in her eyes.
"We march on!"
Daftpanzer Feb 19, 2004, 04:43 PM And so the celtic force continued on, eventually reaching the hittite/byzantine border. The land was desolate and untouched by farming, the bleak flat landscape crossed only by deserted roads and a winding river. In the distance, the rendezvous point, a mountain just inside the Hittite border, towered ominously above them, like some kind of giant sentinel, a bringer of ill fortune. But as they crossed the border the only hittites encountered were of the nomadic, sheep herder type. Still there was considerable doubt about how succesful the force could be, as the hittite home cities would surely be better defended than anything seen so far.
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In the shadow of the mountain the army waited for several days, before scouts reported reinforcements on the horizon. Nobody was expecting much, but it turned out the reinforcements were infact another entire force, just as numerous as themselves, with two whole cavalry armies amongst them. One was lead my Cunobelinus, a charismatic leader who had recently risen through the ranks, during the reconquest of northen byzanitum. All the forces who had stayed back to requip had joined with many newly formed units, and with the help of celtic workers and engineers, had found a shorter route through the leech-infested 'Swamps of Sardica'.
The army commanders soon met to hold a council and share the tales of their adventures so far. While Boudica and Cunobelinus joked about leeches and sheep, a plan of action was already being formed. Confidence was high, and just a few weeks later the large combined force soon descended on the hittites, who seemed to have been taken by suprise. Boudica's forces, reinforced with cavalry, assaulted Aleppo, and Cunobelinus struck at Heraclea. The celtic cavalry proved most effective, the multitude of cannons the forces had dragged along with them were hardy needed. Although guarded by several musketmen battalions each, Aleppo and Heraclea fell almost simultaneously to the onslaught. Celtic losses were moderate.
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The smoke cleared, the dust settled, and it was done, the final blow had been struck. The hittites had fought bravely, and were defeated. The celts had travelled far from their own borders and pulled off a succesful military opertation, just as the hittites had done all those years ago at the start of the war. The score had been settled, there was no desire to see further death and destruction. Also, the celts didnt want to keep the concentration of their forces away from their homeland for any longer than neccessary. In the end, more a war of determination than of epic battles. If the hittites did have any more cavalry left, they were keeping them back.
And so the hitties agreed to peace terms, and the celts proved they could project power across the whole continent. Some thought was given to keeping control of the captured hittite cities, but it would be an outpost that would be easily cut-off by byzantium and the hittites if war broke out again. It was decided that the province of Aleppo-Heraclea will be given to byzanitum!
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Theodora didnt want to accept at first, as this would be a from of insult, making her country seem almost like a vassal kingdom, dependent on the Celts. But the offer of new territory and of settling the score with the hittites was too good to pass up. The byzantines offered no objections to taking control of some of the hittite's core territory. The byzantines and the Hittites now became hostile to each other, leaving the celts alone. It seemed like a happy state of affairs, assuming that one of them wouldnt become too powerful and seek to destroy the other....
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The horse had been used by humankind to wage a horrible war. Many horses were now depended upon to defend the celtic nation in the cavalry forces. The druids held a ceremony to honour the horse, and many captured horses were set loose to roam free in the plains.
The celts prepared for a new age of peace. The large army created in the last war was sent home and distributed across the borders of the new expanded celtic nation. Boudica and Cunobelinus returned to Artefold, where construction of a military academy was begun to train more army leaders. A move to a democratic from of government was initiated. Science progressed faster than ever, as the druids began experimenting with steam
power. At last, everything would be in balance and at peace on our continent.
Except it wouldnt, because news soon came that the mayans were attempting to crush the Dutch nation that clung to the south of the continent. The dutch had declared war on us once, but we had revived good relations. The dutch seemed like a sensible, rational people, a good friend to have on the continent when surrounded by so many mad warlike aggressors.
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At first it was hoped the tough swiss mercenaries would be able to hold off the maya. For several years the celts observed the situation, and aided the dutch by ensuring they had the latest firearms and weapons. But then the dutch city of Gronigen fell, and it was clear the dutch needed our help to remain as a united nation. Our nearest naval forces moved in to distribute aid and resuce refugees, while it was decided what course to take.
The council was agreed, we will not see the dutch nation stamped out by the maya. Riding on the wave of confidence after the defeat of both the hittites and byzantines, plans were put in motion to attack the maya and protect and restore the dutch nation.
silver 2039 Feb 19, 2004, 04:47 PM Yeah the pics are'nt showing. Is ther anything you can do to make them show?
Daftpanzer Feb 19, 2004, 04:49 PM it says it will allow data transfer again in one hour
/edit ok i decided to upload to civfanatics, and changed the post to show the pictures from there...
silver 2039 Feb 19, 2004, 04:56 PM YES! the pics are showing now!
RagingBarbarian Feb 19, 2004, 06:27 PM great so far, continue. I spent most of my internet publishing class reading it. I do nothing there but veiw message boars and play video games, really a big waste of time
RagingBarbarian Feb 19, 2004, 06:27 PM *message boards and forums
CaptainCommando Feb 19, 2004, 07:17 PM For a peaceful humanitarian you sur eare kicking the crap out of a lot of people :D
Daftpanzer Feb 19, 2004, 07:45 PM thanks again for the interest in this
yeah i had to kick the crap out of some evil people to ensure world peace :) And there are lots of evil people....
CaptainCommando Feb 19, 2004, 10:39 PM Well, ya got that right :goodjob:
Pint Feb 20, 2004, 03:20 PM Yay this is so awesome! I don't know about giving those hittite cities to the byzantines as they seemed more powerful than the hittites in the first place. I hope you can save the dutch in time!
silver 2039 Feb 20, 2004, 03:21 PM Instaed of attacking the people who are attacking the Ducth could'nt you land troops at that choke point by the last Ducth city and block them?
POLM Feb 21, 2004, 11:29 AM Originally posted by Daftpanzer
thanks again for the interest in this
yeah i had to kick the crap out of some evil people to ensure world peace :) And there are lots of evil people....
Realy realy realy great stuff, i almost can't belive that you have named all those things.......
But you sund just like USA
NeoDemocrat Feb 21, 2004, 03:35 PM isn't it against the rules to slander a person's nationality/make nationality remarks on this board?
:confused:
CaptainCommando Feb 21, 2004, 03:49 PM Well it is true, if we Americans weren't running around kicking the crap out of evildoers like Saddam Hussein who knows what condition the world would be in?
silver 2039 Feb 21, 2004, 03:58 PM We don't need to turn this into a political discussion here if you want to discuss take it to OT.
dexters Feb 22, 2004, 05:59 PM Daftpanzer, some of your pics are showing are red X's for me. As in they are not working :(
Fantastic story man!
CaptainCommando Feb 22, 2004, 06:43 PM I wasn't trying to start a debate, i was just saying POLM wasn't really out of line.
RagingBarbarian Feb 22, 2004, 07:48 PM In one of my games the spanish eere taking out the Russians on another continent. The spanish had already conquered most of the continent and controlled a the smaller peices of land on the eastern hemisphere. I couldn't let the spanish take the russians, I was getting silks form them for very cheap, but I couldn't declare war on the spanish, I was getting, gems, ivory, and furs, also for very cheap. I sent a transport full of my swiss merceneries to block a chokepoint, and not allow the spanish to enter, into russian territory. But, by the time my transport reached the checkpoint, which marked the beginning of russian territory the spanish horde had already conquered half of the rich, they had alot of resources and sceintific advances, but militaryly weak russians. It was crucial that the spanish not take the 6 silks next to moscow. I sent another transport, this time I attempted to blockade the entire city of moscow, to stop the spanish from attacking. Agian, by the time I reached the far continent, Moscow was taken, however there was still hope, the culture of another russian city had taken over the gems, I quickly blockaded the city with my units, protecting it form further attacks, spain now was a huge super power, controlling the large eastern continent, they had also amassed a huge military, to larger then my peaceful dutch military. I knew my weak defense of the chokepoint, and the russian city would not survive if the spanish , who were increasingly aggressive were to declare war. Agian, I could not declare war on the spanish I was fighting the treacherous porugese, who were once my allies. I had to "beef up" the russian front's defenses. I sent a transport full of worker, and built barracades, and fortrosses to protect the swiss merceneries, at the city and the chokepoint, this took a number of turns, but once compete were a formidable defense, after a sent my knwely aquired riflemen. Every time time a got a better defender, like infantry I would back the defenses in russia. During this time the spanish had declared war on the russians numerous times, but couldn't take the last city which I defended ,also, the only way the spanish could move there forces was by sea, I controlled the chokepoint to russian territory. My chokepoint had essently divided spain west to east, to move between the two sides they had to use transport. Later I built a city in an open area of the spanish/former russian territory, I raised the culture quickly, as not to be culture swapped. I then amassed huge defences here, and built a airport, so I could quickly react to any spanish agression agianst me. I sent a large tank force to be able respond even faster, to an increasingly aggressive spain.
In this way, I was able to peaceful protect the russian silks, while still receiving the gems, ivory, and furs from the spanish. My "matual assured attack" policy and the numerous forteresses had protected the russians, all while remaining absolutely peaceful.
Sorry for the lenght of the post.
ZidaneTribal13 Feb 22, 2004, 08:23 PM This is cool...good job.
CaptainCommando Feb 22, 2004, 09:02 PM Nice tactic, but next time divide that into some paragraphs so it's easier to read, huge blocks of text or hard ot look at. :crazyeye:
RagingBarbarian Feb 22, 2004, 11:35 PM I probably should have divided it into paragraphs, I didn't think it would strain anyones eyes form reading text
RagingBarbarian Feb 22, 2004, 11:40 PM I'm sure that other people have used the peacful blockade tactic before, haven't they?
dexters Feb 23, 2004, 12:50 AM It's a fairly cheap exploit that I rather not use. Especially if it's to block the AI from settling somewhere to the direct benefit of the player.
But it is I think fair game when it comes to players trying to exert influence around the world. Given the lack of any extended diplomacy options, i suppose blocking a protectorate from attack is legitimate. There's a rush to that. Players feel influential, powerful and we get to read these amazing stories about expedition forces setting off to protect a victim.
On the other hand, no one wants to read about the cheat who used a unit to play ping pong with AI settler parties just so he could gain an unfair advantage.
RagingBarbarian Feb 23, 2004, 02:11 AM Originally posted by dexters
But it is I think fair game when it comes to players trying to exert influence around the world. Given the lack of any extended diplomacy options, I suppose blocking a protectorate from attack is legitimate. There's a rush to that. Players feel influential, powerful and we get to read these amazing stories about expedition forces setting off to protect a victim.
On the other hand, no one wants to read about the cheat who used a unit to play ping pong with AI settler parties just so he could gain an unfair advantage.
I like your analysis of the "blockade tactic". That is why I orginally wrote the post to show my peaceful tatic of protecting the vicitimized russians. While I don't know if I felt a rush doing it, there was a sense of power, I controlled the movement of the spanish, and I was solely responsibe for keeping the russians alive. In fact, the russians were still alive, late in the game, when there where only three civs left in the world. I kept the russians up to techparity by giving them techs to be at the same level as the spanish. In the end of that game, I won dipolomaticlly, all the remaining civs were polite or gracious with me.
silver 2039 Feb 23, 2004, 03:45 PM Guys were turning this into a discussion. In case you've forgetten this is a story by Daftpanzer.
RagingBarbarian Feb 23, 2004, 04:57 PM I wanted to include my own "Peaceful Dutch" story as a supplement to Daftpanzer, I did not intend to turn this tread into a discussion Silver 2039
Daftpanzer Feb 23, 2004, 05:43 PM The Dutch were in trouble, as Mayan forces led by the 'knights templar' fanatics were rampaging across the scattered Dutch kingdom. The core dutch cities were in the far south, and there were 2 separated cities making up a dutch colony in the centre of the continent.
It was around this time that the Celtic caravels had completed mapping out the entire coastlines and oceans of the world. Maps were soon traded with foreign nations, adn for the first time the celts had knowledge of the whole worlds geography.
The celts received news at this time that the Hittites and Byzantines had gone to war, the hittites obviously trying to reclaim the territory taken from them and given to the byzantines. This was very amusing for the celts. The war didn’t seem too serious, and the celts were glad to see two of their former enemies fight amongst themselves. The Hittites somehow managed to overrun the Byzantine city of Smyrna, perhaps by a coastal invasion, but this was soon retaken and a stalemate ensued.
Meanwhile in the celtic nation, a more democratic system of government had been adopted, where the ordinary people had more say, and the role of the druids was greatly reduced. With the greater political freedom, considerable doubt began to be expressed about going to war with the maya, and many were against it. Some suggested leaving the dutch and mayans to fight it out alone, or sending troops only to try to block the way to dutch cities.
But it was also felt by many that mayan power was growing too strong, and it should be limited. The celts wanted to see the dutch grow to become one of the key powers, while they were loosing respect for the ignorant and warlike maya. However, the celtic armies needed a route to the maya. Coastal landings had proved difficult, with offloading troops vulnerable to counter-attack, and there were not enough ships available in the area. A land route was needed.
One option was the route through the coastal lands of the remainder of the inca empire (what was in fact, ancient portugal), but the inca remained hostile and uncooperative. Another option was through the Dutch controlled area in the centre of the continent (these cities had originally been captured from the inca, but the dutch were able to justify an occupation because the inca had destroyed a dutch settlement there in ancient times) A large army could be sent through this land and emerge into mayan territory.
So luxuries were traded with the dutch in exchange for a right of passage agreement. But it was soon discovered that the roads in this region were in poor condition, having being pillaged by mayan raiders. In order to create an easy route to the maya, the high council ordered a road to be built there. In one of the most ambitious engineering feats of the time, a swarm of engineers were sent in to build a complete road along the entire length of the dutch colony region, from ‘fort tree’ to the mayan border. As this was foreign land bordered many hostile powers, all construction work was carried out under the protection of the army. The roadway was completed in a few years, and the bulk of all available celtic forces were sent south along the road, where they prepared to strike….
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All in all, attacking the maya seemed the only way forward. And so, on the first day of spring, 1145 bc, the celts issued a demand to the maya that they hand over the city of Gronigen, as a last means of preventing war. Of course, it was well known the maya would refuse. Shortly after the first fighting occurred as the advance cavalry of the celtic force smashed into mayan border patrols near the dutch city of arequipa.
Our main cavalry armies were soon attacking mayan cities. Their main objective at this point was simply to probe mayan defences and test their capabilities. The maya and celts had similar weapons and tactics, relying on cavalry and musketmen. But the celts had more experienced cavalry in greater numbers, and were able to attack with a greater concentration of troops. On the mayan side, the knights templar crusaders were becoming increasingly obsolete, although they were still surprisingly effective in battle.
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(celtic frigates leave home waters and head south)
One new weapon the celts did have was the new frigate class of naval vessel, offering long range cannon fire to support coastal operations. The maya lacked this technology, and it was hoped the new vessels would enable celtic control of the mayan coast, but it was found that in close combat, the frigate was no more suitable for sinking enemy ships than the caravel type vessel. Hopefully even better ships could be designed in future.
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(celtic cavalry lead the advance)
On land, the fighting intensified as the celtic warriors reached mayan cities. The experience of the last war with the Hitties and the Byzantines was repeated, as our massed cavalry armies were able to repeatedly defeat fortified mayan musketeers. A number of cannons had also been brought in, the thunderous roar of the guns preceded most celtic assaults, reducing the defences and the moral of the enemy. Losses on the celtic side werent very high, as cavalry armies did most of the attacking and were able to withdraw to regroup and rearm after battles.
The mayans fought bravely, but they were obsessed with capturing prisoners for sacrifice and for getting invidual glory, launching scattered raids, while the celtic warriors focused on co-ordinating their efforts, and capturing enemy cities in pitched battles. The mayans seemed to loose sight of the overall war. Soon two mayan cities had fallen, including Copan, with its magnificent ‘Sistine Chapel’, a magnificent temple.
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The high council planned the next stage of the war. It was decided that the celtic forces should leave behind damaged units with a small defensive force, and sweep through the western mayan land, protecting dutch cities from attack and carving out land for the dutch to control after the war. Finally, the city of Gronigen would be liberated.
Our goal was reached, with the mayans offering only scattered counter attacks. Our forces soon reached the chilly southern edge of the continent. Some of our warriors recruited from our northern cities had by now made the journey right across the continent from top to bottom.
Thanks to celtic efforts, the city of Gronigen was the only dutch city to fall to the maya, and its citizens joyfully welcomed the celtic cavalry force when they learned their city would be liberated and restored as part of the dutch nation.
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The armies of Boudica and Cunobelinus reach Gronigen.
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The high council prepared a final blow to the maya, who refused peace terms. It was to be a two-pronged assault, together with reinforcements and rearmed units, on the capitol of Chitzen Itza, which would leave only a few cities under mayan control in the extreme east of the continent.
However, at this point the mayan military seemed to finally get to grips with the situation. A mayan attack with several cavalry and crusader units was launched to retake Copan. It had been lightly defended by musketeers and was lost to the mayan attack. However, our forces moving up from the conquered south were able to quickly retake the city. The mayans were on the defensive for the second and final time.
As could be expected, the mayan capitol was more heavily defended than other mayan cities. The city was an awe inspiring sight even from the celtic siege lines. Great monuments and pyramids were seen reaching up above the city, high into the sky. Nonetheless, this was war, and until peace terms would be heard, there was to be no holding back.
By now, celtic frigates had arrived in some numbers on the mayan shores. Chitchen Itza received the greatest barrage ever seen, with cannons from both the land and sea firing into the city. Nonehteless the city’s numerous defenders held firm, until the celtic cavalry warriors launched a mass attack.
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(Celtic forces entering the mayan capitol)
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The fighting was fierce, but inevitably the defences of Chitchen Itza were broken. The celtic generals were soon walking down the avenues of the city. It was truly an amazing sight, great plazas and avenues surrounded by huge monuments, gardens and temples, and a great library containing treasured works of literature from all over the world. A great observatory also towered above the city, and the grand headquarters of the Knights Templar organisation was located here. The city truly was a city of wonders, all the more amazing to the celts, who had never yet been able to build any such wonders in their own cities. This was undoubtedly the greatest city in the world!
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Mayan resistance had been broken. They had failed to counter the celtic advance in force, and their armies had remained scattered from fighting the dutch. The mayans agreed to peace terms, offering gold and some miscellaneous technologies that the celts did not know of at that time.
It was felt that mayan power should now be limited, and their kingdom broken up. Looking back, the ‘Treaty of Copan’ was very harsh on the mayans, but at the time they were seen as the greatest threat on the contient, and their refusal to discuss peace any earlier in the war hadn’t helped them. The mayans were left with less than half the cities they started with at the end of the war. A new dutch kingdom had emerged, having been given three mayan cities and much stronger position in the south. The Incas also gained from the war, being given one northern mayan city which they had occupied in ancient times. Another city in the south of the celtic nation was finally returned to incan control, to help them maintain a viable nation.
However the celts also decided to occupy some cities in the region. Officially called the ‘Copan Republic’, it was infact a military base, consisting of the cities of Copan and the former mayan capitol with all its wonders (which the celts didn’t want to leave).
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Every nation on the continent, except the dutch, had now been invaded and beaten by the celts in war. The borders of the continent had largely been remade the celts, into a new situation which they hoped would bring a balance of power and peace. The ‘age of strife’ was over, there would be no more major warfare on the continent, so it was hoped.
Steam power was being developed, and a new industrial age was dawning. Most of the celtic armies returned home, and the focus of the government shifted from defence to economics and science. Chitchen itza was occupied long enough for two crusader divisons to be recruited, this time swearing an oath to the celtic nation. After this, the dawn of industrialisation made the Knights Templar seem increasingly obsolete, and they were disbanded. Soon the celts became uneasy about occupying another nations capitol, and Chitchen Itza back to rightful mayan control. The Byzantine city of Varna was also handed back to Byzantine control, as a gesture of goodwill.
The future looked bright once again, and it was felt that the celtic nation was possibly the strongest in the whole world! (and it needed to be, to defend the ideals of freedom and justice). But then another war started, and this time the oceans were going to be no boundary to war.
Daftpanzer Feb 23, 2004, 05:50 PM War with spain broke out around 1100 BC. Records do not show exactly how it started, although it is thought either the Spanish refused to move warships out of celtic home waters, or the Spanish simply declared war.
More disturbing news reached the celts, as the Germans, destroyers of the Aztecs, were in turn being overrun by the Americans and Iroquai. It was hoped the germans would be able to make peace before being destroyed.
Meanwhile, the Spanish were seen as a weak nation, with only 5 major cities and lacking the technology of the celtic continent. They still relied on medieval pikemen, knights and their ‘conquistadors’ to defend their cities. Spain was actually quite close to the eastern shore of the nation, and so it was decided to launch and an expedition across the sea to teach the Spanish a lesson. A volcano erupted on the Spanish / Iroquai border, perhaps it was some kind of omen? Celtic frigates began to harass spanish shipping, bombarding them from a distance, while transport galleons sailed to vitcos were a small invasion force was being assembled.
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On a spring morning, sometime in early 1099 bc, several galleons, escorted by frigates, reached the Spanish shore unopposed near the city of Santiago. Supremely confident, no thought was given to landing on defensive ground such as the mountains round the coast, and so several musket, cavalry and cannon divisions were landed onto open grassland terrain. As they began organising to attack Santiago, the Spanish surprised them with a huge assault.
The celts had believed the Spanish would divide most of their forces amongst their city garrisons, with only a few scattered units sent out to raid and harass enemy forces. But instead, it seemed virtually the whole Spanish armed forces were bearing down on the landed troops.
There was no chance to get back to the ships. Wave after wave of longbowmen, knights and conquistadors attacked the celtic forces who had no chance to dig in. Cannon batteries had chance for only one volley before the Spanish were upon them. Celtic Musketeers fired out from walls made of dead and dying men. Celtic cavalrymen shielded themselves from the shower of longbows, crouching behind their dead horses. Still the spanish came on, cyring terrible war cries and flinging themselves at the celts.
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Partial logbook of a celtic officer, later recovered from spain:
“Late Afternoon. A surgeon removed the arrow from my shoulder. Returning to the defences”
“Evening. Terrible loss of life. Great numbers of Spanish dead litter the countryside. Our own forces are decimated. None of our men has escaped a wound. Still we hold.”
“Sunset. Fought off a charge by Spanish knights with our musket fire. The Spanish came with their armour and their swords, but we shot most of them down. The wounded horses are making a terrible noise out there. Lost many men. Few are left standing. Reinforcements must come soon”
“Its night, sometime… falling back. Many dead, everywhere. The reinforcements never came, Spanish are everywhere, all around us. We are falling back, abandoning the camp. May the spirits of battle protect us”
“Still night… Gunshots in the distance. We don’t know where we are, but there are still bodies everywhere. How has this scene form hell come about? Why is this battle being fought? Nothing makes sense anymore”
“Dawn… gunfire continued all night. We are pinned down in an abandoned Spanish village. We met up with scattered survivors. We see no other soldiers out there except Spanish. Maybe were the only ones left? The Spanish are everwhere, there are no battle lines. We cant get to the ships.”
“Its morning. Light shows smoke and death everywhere. We made it to some kind of Spanish villa, also abandoned. Found some Spanish wine, it’s a crude drink but it soothes our spirits. We see our cannons being carried away by the Spanish in the distance. The wounded are suffering terribly, we have no medicines”
“The Spanish are shouting and cheering, a terrible noise. It must be over…. We can’t hear any gunfire. 10 of us are left standing”
News of the disaster soon reached home. At least 10 divisons of the celtic army were completely wiped out, the survivors were shown no mercy by the zealous spanish who regarded them as barbarian devil worshipers. At least twice as many spanish troops were dead or injured, but that was little consolation.
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The celtic people were now united in one mission. The Spanish must die!!!
silver 2039 Feb 23, 2004, 06:29 PM This is awesome! I demand longer, more frequent posts, with more pictures.
DisruptiveIdiot Feb 23, 2004, 07:09 PM How did you coordinate the Rise of Nations pictures so well? Did you play with a human player?
Daftpanzer Feb 23, 2004, 07:37 PM silver 2039, ill try my best!
DisruptiveIdiot, i used the scenario editor in RoN. I just lined up some troops facing each other, tried to choose troop types that look kind of what is in the story. Then all i have to do is play the game, they start fighting and it looks like a war is going on :) I got the idea from other stories where people have used flight sim graphics and stuff to help illustrate the story.
Raging Barbarian, thats a cool story :) i actually did that with a german city later on in this game, it was quite funny.
About 'ensuring world peace', i didnt mean that seriously, i know ive been kind of evil in this game by crushing other nations and taking their land. A true peaceful nation probably wouldnt build more than one city ever, in case they took land from the barbarian tribes :)
thanks for the replies, ill continue this soon.
/edit, i posted another bit of the story on the end of last page, which might get lost
dexters Feb 23, 2004, 09:01 PM Amazing Daftpanzer.
I wonder if there's a big naval battle anytime soon vs. the powers on the other continent ;)
I know this is C3C and the AI likes to build ships now
Edit: Daft. I'm noticing the pics you post of late are heavily compressed compared to some of your first pictures and its hard to make out the detail (such as city names and units).
CaptainCommando Feb 23, 2004, 09:02 PM I have to say, i just get more and more impressed by this story the mroe i read. Damn, you ought to get teh Civ pulitzer or something :goodjob:
Daftpanzer Feb 24, 2004, 07:58 PM The celtic president, Brennus XXI, looked at the strange, noisy contraption filling up the room infront of him.
"OK. So what does this do again?"
"Its a steam engine! a steam-powered auto-moving device!" Explained the high druid of the science academy.
"but what does it do?"
"Ah... well.... there are many possiblities, such as transportation and industry, but-"
"Thats nice. Let me know when you invent something useful!"
"But its a working steam engine! A working-"
The door slammed shut, the president and his advisors were already walking away.
"Nobody appreciates my work!" The druid muttered to himself. Then, he realised one of the visitors hadnt left. The high naval commander of Celtonia walked over to the machine, a hand to his chin.
"Druid, tell me, could we use this machine to as a power source, for transportation?"
"Yes, of course, with enough development"
"Could it be used, say, to power a war vessel?"
"Yes, yes indeed!" the druid replied enthusiasticly, "a heavier and larger ship than any yet seen, could be driven across the seas in all weathers!"
"Well then... I think I have some work for you..."
Thus began the celt's most abitious secret project to date, although it would be some years before the results would be seen.
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(Documents from the Celtic Academy Archive)
Celtonia was still recovering from their shock military defeat in spain. The fact that the celtic warriors had gone there to invade in the first place didn’t seem relevant now, the spanish were arrogant, ignorant aggressors. They had to be defeated and brought to ruin, so they could no longer threaten the free nations of the world.
The lesson of the disaster was learnt. A new invasion was planned, this time a much larger force would land in highly defendable terrain, were they could hold out and defeat any spanish counter-attack, before making a move on spanish cities.
However, the celts couldn’t now send the required force to spain without leaving themselves vulnerable on the home continent (or at least, leaving themselves unable to 'protect the peace'). At the time of the defeat, recruitment of new army units had ceased completely.
Now many new army units needed to be trained and equipped, but there were other conflicting needs. Whether people liked it or not, a new industrial age had dawned. Steam power had arrived with the promise of rail-road transport, and soon the celts also had a breakthrough in firearm design with the development of new rifles which were more powerful and accurate than the older muskets.
The government decided to focus on constructing a rail network, to take advantage of the benefits this technology offered. And much of the celtic treasury was poured into upgrading most of the infantry with the new rifles and tactics. So, preparations for the new invasion progressed slower than hoped, and it was put back year after year. But the ill feelings didnt go away, the celts were still determined to get revenge on the spanish.
Elsewhere in the world, Amercia had taken control of the old aztec lands from germany and some of their other cities, and their allies the Iroquai had taken much of the german homeland. That war was not going well for the Germans, and the Americans and Iroquai now looked like the main powers in the world together with the celts.
The celtic navy continued to bombard spanish ships and the spanish coast, although actual close-range combat was rare and few ships were sunk. However, the Americans were apparently upset at the way the celts were attempting to interfere with the other continent. Around 1095BC, they declared war. Celtic and American frigates were soon skirmishing in seas and oceans all across the northern world. With a large number of coastal cities and improving industry, the celts had managed to produce more naval forces than their enemies, which swung the balance in celtic favour. Although, nobody was yet in a position to control the vast oceans.
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(An american and a celtic frigate engage in battle somewhere in the ocean)
This new enemy complicated things. The high council met once again to decide the course the celts should take. The usual doctrine was to take the fight to the enemy on their own lands. But with the bad experience of the first attempt to invade spain, there was no suggestion of trying to invade the vast american homeland to take the war to them there. And the americans were no backwards nation, they had most of the technologies that the celts had (indeed, the main powers on the other continent were catching up fast in the technology race, and were even making progress in new areas).
However, the americans owned an island to the north east of spain. The island, known as ‘Alaska’, was large (if rather cold), with two main cities, but it was unlikely to be defended by any great number of troops. Until enough forces could be assembled to defeat spain (Which wasnt liekly to be too soon), the high council decided to send an invasion force to alaska, as a way of taking the fight to the americans and as an experiment in naval operations.
A new doctrine was also being formulated, which called for the celts to establish fortified naval bases all around the world, to provide shelter and repair of warships nomatter where naval fighting may take place. The celts wanted to have their navy to have global range, even if their army could not.
Meanwhile, back home, a short war had broken out with the Hittites, after their troops had crossed the border into the celtic military zone around Copan. The forces stationed there quickly captured the Hittite-controlled city of Lazapa before the enemy could react. The Hittites were still fighting the Byzantines, and they agreed to peace shortly after. A short conflict, but it had strengthened our position in the south.
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celtic forces 'stabilise the region'
More shocking was the collapse of german power. The last german cities were being consumed by the Iroquai. It was time for the celts to act like the true protectors of civilisation that they imagined themselves to be. As the Iroquai forces assaulted the defences of Berlin, King Bismark was quietly escorted out of the city and onto a waiting celtic merchant vessel. Sailing with neutral flag, the merchant ship sailed across the western ocean to Celtonia. On the east coast of the nation, the celtic/incan city of Vilacamba was officially ceded to the Kingdom of Germany, to serve as a last outpost of free german civilisation. King Bismark establsihed a government-in-exile.
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(The celts provide a safe haven for King Bismark and the remnants of free germany)
Weeks later, Berlin fell with the last of the german homeland into Iroquai hands, but their efforts to totally crush the germans were frustrated for now. Several oppertunist nations declared war on the germans, including the Byzantines and the Vikings (who were becoming increasingly arrogant and hostile). But the celts declared Vilacamba to be under their protection, and a protective barricade was set up by auxillary (obsolete) celtic units and any spare ships that could be found to stop hostile forces reaching the city. Nobody could reach the city unless they were prepared to fight through the celts. The german civilisation was protected, until some opportunity might arise to restore the freedom of their homeland.
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Meanwhile, a celtic invasion force had reached Alaska. Several cavalry divisons, supported by riflemen, cannons and frigates, were landed near the easternmost city of Buffalo. The American garrison could not offer any counter attack, but the city only fell after a tough battle. It was some months before the invasion forces had recovered enough to drive east to Houston, which fell more easily. The Americans were unable to send any reinforcements due to the celtic frigates, and another more deadly threat…
Not content with annexing germany, the Iroquai soon declared war on the Americans, their former allies. This was great news for the celts! They would fight each other to a standstill, or so it was hoped. In this new situation, the Amercians agreed to peace, and Alaska was now a celtic naval base.
Years had past, but still spain and the celts remained bitter enemies. The Spanish now began to put peace proposals forward, but the celts replied that they must avenge the lives already lost with the complete defeat of the Spanish military. The war went on, but the people were growing unhappy. In oldern days under the old monarchy, the celts had fought army long wars. Now the democratic system was being blamed for creating violence and dissent among the weak-minded sections of the population. Corruption was also rampant. A new system of government was being called for, one which would bring a return to justice and order and return power to the state, but for now democracy held out.
With spain as the only enemy left, and industrialisation increasing, a large army would soon find its way to spain to resolve the conflict one way or another. That is, if the celtic nation didn’t fall too far into revolution and anarchy.
RagingBarbarian Feb 24, 2004, 08:39 PM Are you planning on regaining german territory, and giving it back to the germans. If you are you should do it soon, before the former germans are culture assimilated.
Daftpanzer Feb 25, 2004, 11:23 AM Raging, Well i dont know how the german cities will be. I think i modded the game to have slower assimilation, but the iroquai have got a fascist government now so lots of german citizens will get killed.
If the cities go back to the germans later, then they will hopefully re-assimilate back to german culture even if there isnt any german people left there. But lots of them will have died :(
Dexters, yeah the a.i seems to like ships now for sure! ive got into some bigger naval battles later on. About the pics, i compressed them just to make it load up quicker and easier.
Ive uploaded a map of the whole world at this time in the game. I was bored for an hour this afternoon :) Its a huge jpeg, but not compressed very much, about 4/5 screen wide and 2 down.
Heres a link to it, but its over a megabyte in size! (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/bigmap3.jpeg)
thanks again for the replies
.:KNAS:. Feb 25, 2004, 11:55 AM Thank you for posting that map, it really put things in perspective. :)
edit: what does that sword thing mean next to a city? is it a sign for a barracks or what? and does it come in PTW or C3C?
Daftpanzer Feb 25, 2004, 01:11 PM yeah its a sign for a barracks, i beleive it only came with conquests
.:KNAS:. Feb 25, 2004, 01:27 PM oh ok, thanks. But what are you still doing here? You have a game to play and a story to post, so step to it! ;):D
RagingBarbarian Feb 25, 2004, 06:59 PM what size world is it and if it is random do you have the seed number. I'm sorry if you've already answered this.
Pint Feb 25, 2004, 07:06 PM It feels wrong to read this and NOT congratulate you after every new post... So Great Job! Too bad you couldn't save the Aztecs before they were destroyed. That giant map is great, now I can see who that suspiciously growing red nation is in the south of the second continent. I haven't even heard a word of France, are they powerful? Technological? Because they seem like their land area would grant them a 1st rate power position.
RagingBarbarian Feb 25, 2004, 07:07 PM I decided to change my avatar to fit my name better, jsut so no one is confused.
dexters Feb 25, 2004, 07:09 PM I'm waiting for my daily fix of your story.
silver 2039 Feb 25, 2004, 07:14 PM So am I come on we want more!
silver 2039 Feb 26, 2004, 04:12 PM Come on Daftpanzer it's been a day already!
We're getting restless and angry.:mad:
Point13 Feb 26, 2004, 08:40 PM arrr true dat :mad:
AWeeMoose Feb 27, 2004, 12:47 PM Looks like you've got quite a few obsessive fans, Daft. :D
I travel a lot for work, but every night I check my email, hoping to see that there's been a new post on this thread...It makes me happy to know that the Celts are still keeping the peace, albeit in a violent and bloody way ;)
silver 2039 Feb 27, 2004, 03:03 PM It's been 2 days now Daftpanzer!
WHERE ARE YOU!:mad: :confused: :(
dexters Feb 27, 2004, 09:43 PM I know. maybe the celts abducted him in his sleep :p
silver 2039 Feb 27, 2004, 09:46 PM Let's go on a rescue mission! We'll save you Daftpanzer! Er... well next morning I'm feeling sleepy now.
Daftpanzer Feb 28, 2004, 09:13 AM From the observation post on the celtic ironclad Gallica, sailing across the spanish sea, a spanish caravel is sighted.
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(The Gallica, one of the first ironclads)
"Enemies of the nation!” the lookout shouted, “Bearing north east!"
"Full steam north east! Prepare to engage!" came the reply from the captain, standing in the bridge below. The clattering of the steam engine suddenly grew louder .The whole ship seemed to shake as the main turret rotated into position, making a hell of a noise as it did so.
"Gunners report!"
"Target sighted and aimed, sir"
"Fire when ready!"
"Aye sir! Brace for firing!"
A mass of flame erupted from the gun barrels of the turret, accompanied by a deafening roar. Momments later, the spanish caravel seemed to dissapear in a cloud of smoke and spray, only to reappear again, unscathed.
"Gunner, make adjustment!"
"Aye sir!"
For a few moments, metalic noises and groans came from the turret.
"Aim is Ready, captain!"
"Fire!"
This time, after a moment, a ball of fire rose from the centre of the spanish ship, the bow and stern of the vessel seemed to bend and curl up around it. A cloud of debris and shredded, burning sails flew high into the air as the broken ends of the caravel began to fall back down and sink below the surface.
"Shall we look for survivors, captain?" Asked the first officer.
"No, we have a schedule to keep. Take us back into position at to the head of the invasion fleet. And keep a man on the lookout!"
"Aye captain...."
Ten years earlier, in celtonia, there was trouble in the ruling government. The royal palace at Artefold was a structure which, in parts, dated back nearly 4000 years. It had acted as a rulers palace, seat of government, and more recently, the discussion place for the Democratic National Chamber. But the whole structure was becomming unstable, and parts of it were in danger of collapse despite the best efforts at continually restoring the building.
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In an act to honour the natural cycles of death and rebirth, it was decided that whole palace should be ceremoniously burned to the ground (once it had been emptied of everything of value, of course). For years, a grandiose new 'palace' had been under construction (at great expense) in Navua, in the heart of continental Celtonia, and the capitol was officially moved here from 1068 BC onwards. The centre of power was shifting from the ancient northern celtic homelands into the Celtic/Incan southern lands, where the greater part of the nations growing industry and economy was now established, and from where it was hoped the nation could be more efficently governed.
Despite the establishment of the new capitol, problems remained as corruption was still very high throughout the nation, and the outposts and colonies were so inefficently run that they hardly contributed anything to the nations wealth or progress.
Also, the country had been put on war mobilisation, to help create the forces needed to defeat spain. But at the same time, misguided 'pacifist' and 'isolationist' sentiments had spread under the democracy. People were becoming increasingly anti-war, which led to riots and dissent in several cities.
The method of government became more important now, as it had a much more noticeable effects with the increased industrial and trade output of the nation. A new theory of government, called 'Communism' by some, had been under discussion by the celtic leaders for some time. It called for the nationalisation of industry and trade, and for a strong state run by druids and the military. They would act without interference from the average population, but act with the best interests of celtonia and the whole world in mind. A powerful standing army, fully supported by the state and prepared for indefinate peacekeeping operations, was also envisioned.
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(Communism is good for you!)
An era of instability lasting over 10 years now began. Firstly, the democratic system was abolished with the backing of the military and the remnants of the ancient druidic societies, and a first attempt at a communist government was made. However, there was disappointment with the way the system handled the economy and there was uneasiness with the whole idea of living under 'communism'. It was later decided to give democracy another chance, with more effort made to reduce corruption through the use of police forces.
The industrial age had dawned on the celts, who were becoming the worlds most advanced nation. Under the 2nd democracy, the celts began to focus on the creation of many new factories, a major operation, completed with the aid of large sums from the treasury.
But as the factory building program neared completion, it became clear that democracy was an unsuitable form of government for the celtic nation, and a second Communist government was declared. Once again, the celtic high guard stormed into the new palace, arresting any uncooperative poloticians.
In between the governments, there had been short periods of effective ‘anarchy’ and small-scale violence. These periods were short, as the nature-worship religion of the celts helped to unite and calm the population, holding the nation together.
Despite the chaos, the army continued to expand slowly. Spain continued to propose peace, but confused the situation by sending conquistador expeditions to raid the celtonian coastal lands, as if to remind us that a war was still going on. Most of these where intercepted and destroyed at sea, but several conquistadors landed on the east coast of the celtonia. Using the new railways, celtic cavalry was able to move rapidly to anywhere on the coast to destroy the conquistadors, the weapons and tactics of which were by now hopelessly obsolete. The celts remained determined to crush the Spanish forces on their own ground.
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And so, in 1056 BC, many long years years since the start of the war with spain, and with a long-term communist government being established, a second invasion fleet was finally made ready. A large force of riflemen and cavalry put to sea onboard a small fleet of galleons, escorted by a new type of ship. The Celt’s secret new warship project had finally been completed, and ironclads began leaving the shipbuilding yards of celtonia to prowl the eastern ocean and the Spanish coast, where they succeeded in damaging the spanish infrastructure. No other nation in the world could match the ironclad, nor would they be able to for many years.
The target of invasion was Santiago once again. But this time, the celts landed on undefended mountain terrain, where they could better defend against a Spanish counter attack. The celtic warriors on the mountainside above Santiago braced themselves for a massive onslaught, but the spanish did not attack. Where was the Spanish military at this time? Launching another futile conquistador raid, this time against the recently conquered island of Alaska, with only two divisions. Perhaps the first invasion, all those years ago, had done more damage than was realised, as it seemed the massive spanish horde of longbowmen and knights was nowhere to be seen and they were down to launching scattered attacks.
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The invasion force was free to reorganise and attack Santiago with ironclads and several cannon batteries providing artillery support. Inevitably, the Spanish pikemen defenders couldn’t hold off the final assault of celtic cavalry. At last, a Spanish city had fallen to the celts, a first outpost of celtic power on the new continent! A large force of iroquai frigates was sighted moving menacingly up the coast (probably relocating from the Aztec lands to the current front in northern America).
The celts found evidence of mass graves where fallen celtic warriors had been dumped, following the bloody defeat of the first invasion. This inspired the new generation of warriors to fight on, to avenge the fallen with a great victory. The dead warriors were given celtic funeral rights as the living army moved on.
For the next stage of the invasion, it was decieded that the remote city of Toledo should be cut off, while a concentrated strike was sent north to Barcelona. Reinforcements continued to arrive, including the brilliant general Vercingetorix, who quickly organised a new cavalry army from the forces in Santiago to spearhead the invasion.
Progress along the hills and mountains was slow, and the Spanish finally counter attacked with several longbowmen and knights, although they were beaten back by the celtic rifle fire, hardly causing any damage to the invasion force. Spain was showing signs of weakness.
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Barcelona fell in the same way as Santiago. Celtic cavalry now broke out into the northern Spanish plains, and Seville fell shortly after. Toledo remained isolated, with celtic riflemen and cannon emplacements preventing any Spanish forces moving up from that city to hit the celtic flanks. Meanwhile a large concentration of force gathered outside Madrid. Large numbers of riflemen prevented spanish counter attacks from causing any damage.
The final attack on the spanish capitol was initiated by a substantial bombardment from land and sea, and then followed by the attack of Vercingetorix’s army and several other cavalry divisions. The fighting was fierce, but he celtic cavalry prevailed yet again. The capitol fell, leaving only one free spanish city. It was felt that the invasion had achieved its goals, and a peace treaty was signed, with the celts taking control of most of spain for the time being.
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(Victory at last!)
And so celtic power had been established on the new continent, effectively sneaking in through the back door while the americans and iroquai were busy fighting each other. Spainish forces could no longer threaten the peace of the world, and spain would be modernised and made a better place to live under the celtic communism.
But serious questions were now asked about the Spanish war. This had been a war of pride, beating spain hadn’t really achieved anything positive in the world. But the Spanish had started the war, and perhaps it was destiny for the celts to arrive on the other continent.
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(The decline of scandinavian power)
While the Spanish war was drawing to a close, the Vikings had finally been pushed into war. They repeatedly refused to remove forces that were hanging around and threatening the german enclave at vilacamba. The Vikings had once been very friendly, but were now uncooperative and hostile. At the outbreak of war, the celts immediately decided to ‘annex’ the Nordic colonies in the far north, finally achieving the ancient and sacred mission to unite and protect the northern lands of the home continent. The east isles were also united under celtic rule, but the colony of Molde there did not fall without a tough battle.
The Vikings were getting themselves into wars with many nations, throwing their weight around as if they were a major power, and suffering major losses of territory. The once wide-spread Viking empire was shrinking fast, which was felt to be no more than they deserved. The French entered the world scene for the first time, as they conquered large parts of Scandinavia.
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The peacetime was uneasy, and the celts maintained a large force in spain. With the fall of New York, the Iroquai were close to achieving the total conquest of America. This was something the celts could not allow, and so a much more violent war would soon begin.
Point13 Feb 28, 2004, 07:06 PM YEAH! kick spainish ass, me and silver were scared for a moment... and what difficulty is this on?
Daftpanzer Feb 28, 2004, 08:23 PM thanks very much for the replies :) its good to know people find this interesting, and that theres a reason to continue this.
sorry i didnt add more sooner, ive been a bit busy with university work and stuff.
I think the world was the 'average' size or maybe the next one up. im afraid i didnt make a note of the seed number.
As for the difficulty, well officially it is emperor level. But i get annoyed with the a.i trading everything, working as one big team, so i put that down a little bit. I also reduced the starting units. So its kind of monarch/emperor, maybe a little easy, but i am not such a great player at civ, and im not playing normally either.
silver 2039 Feb 29, 2004, 09:24 AM Good Job! I was getting ready for a daring raid to rescue you.
Are you going to liberate the Germans or deal with the Iroquis first?
They seem like the biggest threat.
Pint Feb 29, 2004, 12:01 PM Yay another fine post! Keep up the great work! Watch out for those Iroquois and French, they seem like the only real threats right now.
Gogf Feb 29, 2004, 12:56 PM Very, very nice. I can't wait for the next installment.
dexters Mar 01, 2004, 03:15 AM I'll have a long day today. When I get home, I want another chapter of the story ready for me to read. Got that? :)
Capt Buttkick Mar 01, 2004, 06:05 AM There's just no satisfying some people :rolleyes:
:p
Global Nexus Mar 01, 2004, 08:34 PM ...just...wow. This is AWESOME. The stories are interesting and the way you've shaped the world and given places names...it's much better than anything I've attempted thusfar! I commend you! ^^
CaptainCommando Mar 02, 2004, 12:05 AM Yeah, how much to we have to pay you to get you to do another one of these as soon as you're done with this one? I mean, this is one of the best stories this forum has ever seen!
Tathlum Mar 02, 2004, 04:30 AM WOW!
Go Celtonia...
Never looked in this sub-Forum before but this rocks..
Great work Daftpanzer!!!
das Mar 02, 2004, 10:05 AM Good work, I like this story! Especially the RoN screenshots, add some more in the next installment please.
silver 2039 Mar 02, 2004, 02:25 PM Come on Daftpanzer! I want more! I demand more! I need more!
*sob* *sob*
silver 2039 Mar 02, 2004, 02:26 PM Come on Daftpanzer! I want more! I demand more! I need more!
* starts sobbing*
Celeborn Mar 02, 2004, 02:57 PM *Sings the national anthem of Celtonia (whatever it may be)*
This is a great story...
RagingBarbarian Mar 02, 2004, 04:56 PM "Hail Celtonia our fatherland,
we have defended Celtionia from
the evils of the world. We are
the protectors of the world,
Hail Celtic peacekeepers,
Hail Celtonia our fatherland" - First verse of National Anthem of Celtonia
silver 2039 Mar 02, 2004, 05:00 PM Wow you must have a lot of free time.
Point13 Mar 02, 2004, 06:37 PM well then give him more! MORE STORIES!!!! LALALA. We're obssesed!
Tathlum Mar 03, 2004, 03:30 AM "Hail Celtonia our fatherland,
we have defended Celtionia from
the evils of the world. We are
the protectors of the world,
Hail Celtic peacekeepers,
Hail Celtonia our fatherland" - First verse of National Anthem of Celtonia
Pretty good 'cept Celts would call it a Motherland.
Got any more verses?
The Great Quan Mar 04, 2004, 12:32 PM Daft, you are awesome.
silver 2039 Mar 04, 2004, 02:06 PM Daftpanzer if you don't writ soon I'm either going to kill myself or somebody else. Prefearbly someone else so I can countinue reading your story.
dexters Mar 04, 2004, 06:39 PM kill daft.
silver 2039 Mar 04, 2004, 07:22 PM :eek: Then how would I read his story?:eek: :confused:
DisruptiveIdiot Mar 04, 2004, 08:21 PM Originally posted by silver 2039
:eek: Then how would I read his story?:eek: :confused:
Save and Reload of course ;)
Daftpanzer Mar 04, 2004, 09:13 PM After the defeat of the Spanish, the celts settled down once again to enjoy peace for a little while. More railways and factories were built, and the army continued to expand.
Meanwhile the Iroquai nation was in the grip of anarchy, the democratic government there had fallen during the course of the war with the other nations of their subcontinent (the Germans and the North Americans), and new militaristic forces were seeking to gain power in Salamanca.
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The new leader Hiawatha emerged from a balcony on the great tower of the Iroquai National Fascist headquarters. Most of The city's population were in the great square below, being mesmerised by the all the tribal symbols, flags and chants happening all around them.
Their leader raised up his arms, paused, and then spoke in a great booming voice:
"A new power is rising! its victory is at hand! This night, the land will be stained with the blood of America! We march to Washington! We will leave no enemy alive! To WAR!!!!!" The crowd cheered, stirred up into a bloodlust, enthusiastic to see their country fight and win again. A Celtic spy was in the crowd, watching the spectacle. "Hiawatha is a propaganda punk, but I think he is serious about trying to conquer the whole continent" he reported back to home.
Meanwhile, other disturbing reports were reaching the new celtic capitol building. The iroquai were forcing 'resettlement', or more accurately, death, on the ethnic german population of their new empire, and even on minorities of their own population. Disturbing photographs were smuggled out of the iroquai empire, showing concentration camps and piles of dead bodies. Much of the german nation was being eradicated, and the survivors were being assimilated into the iroquai empire. The populations of many Amercian cities might soon face the same fate. In war the iroquai were advancing on all fronts, new york and all of the old aztec lands had already fallen.
What to do? Spain had been a weak, underdeveloped nation compared to the Americans, the French or the new empire of the Iroquai, yet it had taken the full effort of celtic nation before spain was conquered. Fighting overseas had proved difficult. But, spain had now provided the celts with a strategic foothold, from which it would be possible to advance. And of course, a fairly substantial celtic force was already in the area, poised on the weak flank of the iroquai. Perhaps the celts could help limit the irqoquai expansion. Or maybe even find a way to liberate germany, before the original population was wiped out. But the iroquai fascism was producing an enormous army. If if the celts could equal them in overall numbers, the celts still had to keep enough forces to defend the home continent.
The celtonian communist peoples' council was divided. Comrade Brennus, the new leader of the communist party, rallied the celtic leaders for action. "Do we just abandon the other half of the world to its fate? "This fascism cannot be tolerated in the world.... Germany must be saved from fascist aggression!" Eventually, all were agreed. Action was needed, even if it would leave the celts pushed off the other continent for good. Even if the army would be completely shredded and the homeland istelf invaded, something had to be done, to be attempted. It was the nature of the celtic people. It was time to try to achieve the dream of enforcing peace and goodwill throughout the entire world, no matter the cost.
The call to arms was sent out once again, and all available forces in spain gathered south of Santiago, near the iroquai border. An ultimatum was sent to the iroquai fascist leaders. Our demand was that they surrender all of their captured american and german territory, a bold statement of celtic intentions.
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Unsurprisingly, Hiawatha refused. In fact, the iroquai now saw themselves as the supreme military power in the world, with the resources of mexico, germany and much of america now under their control. They disregarded any threat to their plans from the celts, beleiving they would not dare attack.
And so, the celts were left with one option:
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There was no real plan or strategy, other than trying to defeat iroquai forces at all costs. Liberating german lands at this point seemed impossible, but it was hoped in future an opportunity would come. For now the celtic command hoped to at least distract irouqai attention from america, giving them the change to retake their lost territory.
The first priority was to try take the initiative, on the front where celtic occupied spain bordered the iroquai lands. If was felt that a quick strike might be succesful in capturing iroquai land, before they had a chance to respond.
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"All things belong to the brave" had once been a celtic saying. The forces from spain marched into iroquai lands, where unknown numbers of fanatical fascist troops waited for them. It was not long before iroquai and celtic warriors clashed for the first time. The first move of the war was an attack was made on the nearest iroquai occupied city to the south. Hopes that these recently-captured lands were not too well defended were proved true. The city fell to the celtic attack, with few losses incurred. Was victory against this great foe possible? The celtic forces moved on...
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The landscape as strange and unnerving, unlike anything in the home lands. In the north there was a great 'volcano' known as 'mount thunder', and in the south, the unforgiving jungles of mexico where the aztecs had once lived. Advancing with the celtic troops were also military scientists and botanists, who took time to study the land.
There was a pause in the fighting, and a sense of foreboding, as it was known the iroquai would soon respond to the surprise celtic attack.
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(Cavalry skirmish in the mountains)
Salamanca, the iroquai capitol, was not that far from the front line. With the celtic command growing in confidence, it was seen as a possible objective, but it would undoubtedly be very heavily defended. However, not long after the celtic attack, the iroquai countered with large numbers of cavalry and riflemen. Despite the best efforts at moving in new forces from home, it was now clear that there was not enough force to advance further, indeed there might not be enough forces to stop the iroquai forcing the celtic force all the way into spain.
Riflemen, now used by both sides, had shown their effectiveness against cavalry in mountain terrain. A defensive posture was adopted for now, but the celts struggled to hold onto several strategic mountain positions, which the iroquai continually attacked. Fighting was hard, and there had already been many casualties. At any moment, it was feared the iroquai would unleash a major attack out of the mountains.
In the celtic leadership, the overall planning for the war was confused. Many commanders wanted to concentrate on this single front, as this offered the best chance for inflicting losses on the iroquai empire, however it offered little hope of liberating germany. An invasion across the western ocean into germany was dreamed, but the lesson of previous invasions had been learned - It would take army attacking in force to establish a second front in germany, and while such a force as begin assembled, the other first front would have to hold against the iroquai onslaught with only minimal reinforcements.
Meanwhile, at sea, it was suspected that the iroquai had mobilised a fairly large navy, with many frigate-class ships. Since the outbreak of war, naval combat had so far been confined to a few small battles between patrolling ships. No major sea battles took place until a small fleet of iroquai frigates was spotted escorting a galleon to the island of Alaska.
Several times over the next few years, the iroquai would make trips from their coastal bases on the alaskan sea and try to conquer the island. The celtic ironclads managed to sink several frigates, and damaged more by long range fire, forcing them back to port for repairs. However, several ironclads were also damaged or sunk. But the ironclad ship design once again proved its worth. They were able to balance out the greater numbers of iroquai ships with greater performance in battle, and much greater survivability.
The iroquai used their frigates in concentrated formations, which proved almost unstoppable. The celts had more ships overall, but were spread out all over the oceans, while the iroquai focused on a single region. The massed iroquai frigates were able to escort a few invasion divisions to alaska several times, which came close to breaching the defences of the city of buffalo there (which was at one point defended by one decimated riflemen divison). But together with the naval gunfire of the ironclads, reinforcements from the other side of the island were able to repeatedly beat off the invaders. Had the iroquais attacked with more strength, the island of alska would have fallen, changing the state of the naval war.
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(Celtic intelligence monitors foreign naval power)
Back home, all was not well, as the byzantines were once again at war with the hittites, and were advancing into their territory. As feared, the celts could not spare any resources from the iroquai war to deal with the new situation. Celtic command kept a close eye on the Byzantine navy as it surrounded and bombarded hittite coastal
cities.
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(figthing for a mountain pass)
Back on the other continent, for several long months the war raged on in the mountains and jungles of the current front, while it was decided what course to take. Despite constant attrition, Celtic forces were gradually building up in strength, but so were the iroquai. The celts made the most of the mountain terrain, and there were several heroic last stands by dug-in celtic riflemen divisions, which took out many iroquai units. The celts own cavalry would move in to finish off damaged enemy units and attack any targets of opportunity.
The celtic army was holding on, just. Further gains were out the quesiton at this point. Conditions for the troops were terrible, in the high inaccessible mountains or in the dense jungles. But the will to fight remained strong.
Up north, the iroquai/American front seemed more or less stable, with no more iroquai gains there for now. Perhaps the celts had managed to divert enough iroquai forces away from that front? Nonetheless, an american city near Washington was reduced to ruins and completely destroyed, a sign of the scale of the fighting that was
still going on.
The situation wasnt going anywhere, at least not in the direction the celts wanted. All of celtonia was put on full war mobilisation, and thousands of new weapons and warriors left the homeland each year to fight overseas, but this was only enough to hold the line. The current war situation could go on for many years, during which the americans would inevitably suffer more losses and the german populations would be completely assimilated into the iroquai empire.
Meanwhile unrest was starting again on the home continent. Time was of the essence, each passing month weakened the celtic position on both continents. Something needed to be done to regain the imitative, that hope of progress that had been seen only at the outbreak of war.
The celtic leadership now decided that an ally was needed if the war was going to be won. The fateful decision was taken to try to persuade the French to join the conflict. The french had been a relatively peaceful nation, quietly living in the snowy south of their continent for many centuries. Only recently they had expanded at the expense of the arrogant vikings. The situation was complicated, as the french and the americans were not on good terms at all. But the French had a powerful army, and seemed willing to see iroquai power reduced.
The only previous alliance in celtic history had been with byzanitum (during the time of the incan empire), and the alliance had eventually made the two civlisations bitter enemies. Would such a thing happen again with the French? Nonetheless, the priority now was defeating the fascist iroquai forces. With french help, the celts would soon feel confident enough to gamble with a major attack….
Daftpanzer Mar 04, 2004, 09:25 PM The Celts and the Iroquai, the two most powerful nations of the time, were now locked in a brutal war. The iroquai wanted total domination of their continent, while the celts wanted to restore the german and american nations to full independence. The war was consuming all the resources the celts had, and the Byzantines in particular were taking advantage of the situation to invade the hittite lands. The celts couldn’t maintain this level of fighting indefinitely without seeing all their efforts at maintaining peace come undone on the home continent. And all the while, the opprpessed peoples of the iroquai empire continued to suffer.
As a desperate measure, the celts had bribed the French to join the war against he iroquai, in return for a small amount of money and luxuries.
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(Iroquai scouts watch the french advancing into their territory)
The celts had no doubt that the French were only interested in maintaining their own power, and were not interested in ensuring world peace. But without their help, the celts would be forced out of the war eventually. A reduced iroquai empire was good for everyone.
The French army was unique in that it maintained large numbers of ‘Musketeer’ infantry. These units had been some of the best troops in the world a few hundred years ago, and although they were still effective, they were by now outclassed by riflemen.
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(French musketeers take a moment to admire each other's uniforms)
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And so the French army had entered the war, with troops moving up from French-occupied Scandinavia and into Mexico. The French soon captured two ancient aztec cities from the iroquai, who were once again taken by surprise. The stalemate was broken, and the celtic command decided that the time had come for the celts to attempt a new offensive. The first attack was launched into the deep jungle and moved to capture the city of Tlateloco. Luckily it seemed that the iroquai lines in that area were in chaos, and the city fell to the celts (with French help). However, in the confused jungle conditions, losses had been quite high on all sides.
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(Jungle skirmish)
The French army had proved surprisingly strong, and as the iroquai moved to meet it in the area around St.Regis in the south, an opportunity arose for the celts to regroup and launch a long-desired attack into the mountain region of Cattaraugus. It took several months to gather the forces needed for the push, and the only available cavalry army had been mauled in the earlier fighting and was being re-equipped.
Finally, an attack was launched into the great American mountains. The scenery was spectacular, as this was the largest and highest mountain range in the world. Unfortunately, that didn’t make military operations there any easier.
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(French musketeers clash with iroquai forces)
The celts were luckily able to capture several key mountain positions overlooking Cattaraugus before iroquai had a chance to dig in. In the following months, artillery was brought to bear of the city, before a final cavalry assault managed to overcome its defences. The fighting was extremely bloody and brutal in places, but in the end the city fell, the first of the national iroquai cities to do so. The celts took control of the area and its diamond mines (no less than three of them), undoubtedly a blow to the iroquai trade and economy.
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There was as growing sense of confidence, as it looked like the iroquai were beginning to loose their grip on the front line. But enemy resistance soon increased again as the iroquai adapted to the new situation. Celtic probes against the capitol of Salamanca failed abysmally, and the French were unable to penetrate any further to the south. The iroquai had fallen back to a new secure defence line, as the celts took up position throughout the mountain ranges. Losses so far had been high for each side, and the celts did not want to push any further for the time being. They were prepared to hold the line at this point, consolidating the gains made so far, digging in and letting the French forces continue to harass the iroquai to the south. It seemed stalemate had been reached once again.
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Meanwhile, the celts turned their attention to the isolated iroquai colony of Akwesasne, on the island of Gotland. This island was the last refuge of the Viking nation, who were hostile to the iroquai and were continually attacking the colony with their beserker troops, to no avail. The nearby French also failed to take the colony, despite landing several cavalry divisions on the island.
It was clear that a substantial force would be needed to overcome the strong defences of there. Nonetheless, it was felt to be an important objective, as it would deprive the iroquai navy of a potential naval base in the eastern ocean.
A first invasion force failed to breech the defences, and had to be evacuated to avoid iroquai counter attacks. Nonetheless, a few months later, a larger force finally arrived from the eastern coast of celtonia, and several cavalry divisons backed by riflemen and artillery, with help from a multi-national force of French cavalry and Viking berserkers, finally managed to overwhelm the defences. It had been a costly and time-consuming diversion, but the city was now claimed for the celts, and it was envisioned that the colony would function as a useful celtic naval base after the war.
By this stage of the conflict, many of the iroquai frigates were being kept in their ports for continual repair because of constant bombardment from celtic ironclads. With the western ocean at least now generally free of iroquai ships, transport galleons form all over the celtic lands were gathered together on the western shore of celtonia. Large concentrations of fresh troops, as well as some units taken from the front lines, were also being gathered there. A secret opertion was underway. No-one knew what was happening except the ship captains and army generals in the top ranks. Some spoke of a desperate, suicidal new offensive against the iroquai.
During the summer of 987 BC, a invasion force of 24 divisions was sailed across the western ocean, arriving at the shores of occupied germany. The invasion fleet finally landed near Hamburg, which was soon found to be a well defended city. The orders were given and it became clear, this was a do-or-die invasion of germany.
The attack on Hamburg was slowed up because of the failure of the initial bombardment to do any substantial damage. The iroquai did not yet counter attack, but it wouldn’t be long before they would repsond. With a more effective bombardment in the following months, the city finally fell to the celtic invasion force, and the second front was opened.
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However, the shock factor was now lost, and the iroquai were already moving to coutner the invasion. Fighting on this new german front became very difficult, due to the fact that there was no real front line, and no secure area for the celtic troops to fall back to. Berlin was captured shortly after hamburg in a bold move to the south, but looses were once again high. The lives of many celtic warriors were being lost for this noble cause.
The celts were shocked to find large areas of the german cities in ruins. Once thriving cities had been reduced by the fighting and by iroquai atrocities to shadows of their former selves. Some felt that there was little left to save in germany. Looking out across the vast tracts of ruined buildings, it was hard to disagree. But the celtic leaders knew that it was still possible for any people to rebuild and emerge as a nation once again.
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The iroquai soon began attacking the beachhead in germany from every direction, making it necessary to detach large defensive forces at every captured city, and progress ground to a halt. The situation was dangerous, and some consideration was given to moving the troops out of germany altogether, perhaps to join up with the Americans in the north.
However, a few months later, the newly appointed leader of the german front, general Caractacus, arrived in the area. A new cavalry army was organised and the iroquai counter attacks were beaten back for the time being.
A celtic cavalry army fighting on the original front was now ordered to make a daring and highly dangerous move right across the southern iroquai lands. Despite spending several months in hostile territory, the army was attacked by only a couple of enemy cavalry divisions, and later successfully joined up with celtic forces near berlin. Was this a sign that the iroquai were weakening? It seemed that they had definitely lost a greater proportion of their forces so far. Or perhaps they were just preparing for a new counter offensive?
Nonetheless, hopes for the continued liberation of germany were high, as two cavalry armies had now arrived on the scene. With the celts, france, and america all fighting against the iroquai empire, it seemed that victory would at least be achieved one way or another. But the iroquai were far from beaten, and they would soon gain a new ally in the war.
DisruptiveIdiot Mar 04, 2004, 09:37 PM Are the germans fully dead? Can you list the casualties so far?
Daftpanzer Mar 04, 2004, 09:43 PM As the situation in germany began to look brighter, back on the home continent there was trouble. The Byzantines announced a military pact with the iroquai, and declared war on America. This was the final straw for the celts. The Byzantines were pushing it beyond the limit, taking Hittite land, declaring support for celtic enemies, and openly challenging celtic peacekeeping efforts. “The Byzantine navy cannot be allowed to assist the Americans!” declared comrade Brennus. The high council agreed once again to declare war, this time on the Byzantines.
Resources could hardly be spared from the war against the iroquai, but it was believed the Byzantine land forces were in a poor state, lacking modern firearms and reduced by fighting with the hittites. A short war was hoped for, to push the byzantines out of hittite land and to put their navy beyond use.
Although most forces had been sent overseas, the celts had left several well organised armies in celtonia along the southern borders. These armies struck out at the byzantines, who could offer little resistance in their weak north flank. Their bluff had been called, but he celts were now sending reinforcements into byzantium instead of into germany.
Berlin had been handed to german control, as a message of celitc intentions. It also freed up garrison forces to advance further. But this move was premature, as the iroquai now targeted Berlin in a major counter attack and re-ocupied the city, which had little time to prepare defences. The advancing celtic forces had to double back to avoid being cut off. A second battle for Berlin was fought, and although the celts retook the city, many lives and more time had been lost. And once again, the iroquai army had committed atrocities against the population, killing many more civilians.
It was clear that more garrison forces would be needed for a further push into germany, in order to protect the cities already liberated. The war on Byzantium had to end fast - some suggested a raid against Constantinople to force them out of the war. But this idea was later abandoned, as the celts didn’t wan to see the fabled city suffer the ravages of war, which so many other cities had suffered.
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In the western ocean, the ironclads sunk several Byzantine frigates and forced the rest into harbour, taking moderate losses themselves. It seemed the Byzantine navy wasn’t as well developed as first thought, but it didn’t go down without a fight. One of their frigates, the “Sofia”, was responsible for the sinking of two empty celtic galleons returning from germany, and two celtic patrol frigates during the course of the war, disappearing back into port each time before the celts could respond.
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(Artists impression of the "Sofia" in its prime)
However, the famous frigate was finally caught by three ironclads and sunk in a heroic last battle. Simultaneously, celtic land forces raided the fortified naval base of Dyrrachium, catching several more byzantine frigates in harbour and blowing them up. The Byzantine navy now lacked the strength to affect the outcome of war, and their gains against the hitties had been reversed. Although they refused peace, it was felt that the majority of home forces could be safely sent overseas. With the Byzantines beaten back on land and sea, the campaign in germany could advance once again.
In a series of major battles on the other continent, the combined forces of Celtonia, France and America now finally seemed broke the back of the iroquai fascist army. The French had put a huge drain n the iroquai in the south, despite failing to capture any cities. The celts had fought well, holding the mountains, and the new front in germany had also put a major strain on the iroquai. The Americans had continued to defend their remaining cities well, defeating several iroquai attacks and keeping their forces tied up in the area.
Overall, there were now just too many enemy troops in or around the iroquai empire. The dream of a grand continental fascist empire was all but over, but there were still several cities to liberate. Iroquai counter attacks became increasingly rare, and the celts were able to spread their defences thin and make more concentrated attacks.
All of germany was recaptured, and the iroquai occupied cities in the east American peninsular were cut off. In the closing days of the war, the celts liberated new york and pressed on to philelphia. Iroquai forces there were of increasingly poor quality, often including longbowmen and other primitive troop types. Although they continued to hold the line around Salamanca on first front, a remarkable achievement, the iroquai were clearly beaten, and could not defend in any other area.
The celtic/French pact against the iroquai had expired, and with the recapture of philedelphia in the east, it was decided to offer peace terms to the iroquai. The celts were eager to see an end to this conflict, which had now been raging for many years, and a prolonged, bloody campaign into the iroquai heartland was not desried. It seemd the iroquai were eager for peace too, as they agreed to peace, offering the surrender of a couple of remaining German and American cities.
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(The end of the war)
The iroquai fascist empire was left with none of its gains against other nations, and had lost two of its own national cities. The war had been a success, the grand plans of the iroquai were in ruins. The biggest war so far in world history had been fought and won, and it had happened on a different continent. The reach of celtic power was becoming global, and for the first time, the celts had achieved the complete liberation of a nation, although the price had been high.
At the end of the war, much of germany had been depopulated as a result of the fighting and of the iroquai atrocities and war crimes commited. It was hoped that these lands would be able to recover. German cities (with the exception of Berlin,) were not handed over to german control straight way, as the diplomatic situation was complicated. Germany was still technically at war with both america and the iroquai!. Meanwhile celtic workers began a road building and tree-planting program in the occupied lands (the celts felt that too many trees had been cut down in that area).
For a while the celts had a huge land area under their control, but it was not to last. All American cities were returned to American control, and, by 959 BC, a new german nation was declared to the world (with peace being signed by germany and America). The new germany consisted of all traditional german cities (including the isolated city of Heidelberg, which had been under American control for many centuries). The celts pulled out of the area, however a new city was founded on the east American peninsular to act as a naval base.
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As a further show of good intentions, it was also decided to return the majority of Spanish lands back to the rule of the Spanish monarchy, now based in Toledo. However, the city of santiago was kept as an important barracks and naval base for world peace forces. The Aztec lands to the south, and the iroquai diamond mines in the mountains were kept for ‘strategic peacekeeping reasons’.
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The army had grown larger than ever before, and had expanded a great deal during the last few years alone. Perhaps the celtic industry would soon be able to support a true, global army to enforce the new ideals?
The celts wanted to believe an important war had been won, and a new age of peace would dawn. But fighting continued between the iroquai and the americans, and france also continued to fight the iroquai.
Tensions were increasing. The celts had gained what they thought would be peace, but the rest of the world had decide to keep on fighting, with numberous small scale conflicts going on and a complicated web of alliances and counter-alliances. Even the dutch began a war, against the mayans. It looked like chaos was growing everywhere.
More disturbing news came, as Spain declared a pact with the Iroquai against France. This was a suicidal move for Spain, which had barely begun to rebuild its armed forces since independence.
The French military, with the backing of ‘saint’ Joan d’ arc, had overthrown their democratic government and installed a new fascist regime similar to the iroquai. As the celts were helping restablish the german nation in the east, French military forces overran the newly independent spain. The Incas and several other nations also declared war, the incas inparticular sent longbowmen to aid the french.
The celts looked on in horror, but were unwilling to start a new major war against france so soon after the iroquai war had ended. The French army also looked stronger than ever. Official protests were sent, but in the end the celts were unwilling to act for now. It was a blow to the ideals of world peace and freedom, but the truth was the celts would accept French control of spain as payment for their role in iroquai war, which had brought little reward for them. The Spanish had after all started this war…
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The mountain city of Toldeo, the only spanish city that had never to be conquered, put up a brave fight in the face of modern French weapons. But as French cavalry massed outside the city, it was clear that it too would fall. The celts were forced to hand over the ex-viking colony of Molde as a home for the Spanish government, to prevent the complete destruction of that civilisation. Many Spanish citizens died as a result of the fighting and the inevitable fascist atrocities.
French forces were now marching all over the celtic controlled lands south of spain, without any formal treaty or right of passage having been signed. But it was hoped there would still be 'peace', as long as the French understood that taking any more aggression would be a step too far.
This was not the end the end the Celts had fought for, to see one fascist empire replaced by another. There was confusion, and growing feelings of unrest. Plans were drawn up for possible action against france and holland, and some military leaders arrogantly declared that the celts could now defeat any nation in the world. But at the same time, there were calls for the scaling back of celtic ‘military bases’ and occupied lands, and growing feelings of unrest at the hypocrisy of the communist military government. A return to a democratic system was called for, even if it would mean the loss of much of the industry and a reduced military.
The future was confusing and uncertain, but conflict with France seemed inevitable. But when it came, would it be the last stand of fascism and aggression in the world, or the last stand of celtic “world peace”?
Daftpanzer Mar 04, 2004, 10:09 PM :nuke:
ArmPilot Mar 04, 2004, 11:27 PM I would have expected you to hand offer Molde to the Vikings. I wish the Vikings had been more powerful personally.
CaptainCommando Mar 05, 2004, 03:00 AM Yeah, but if they had been more powerful Draft probably would have had to duke it out with Berserkers :eek:
dexters Mar 05, 2004, 07:05 AM Interesting additions daft.
These two new posts, while well written didn't have the suspense and the drama of the previous ones. Seemed like the Iroquois was unable to put up a good fight. With the iroquois contained, it seems like clear sailing from here on.
Hopefully, some other civ pose a real challenge to the great Celtic civilization. I'm skeptical about the french, but I'll wait and see.:)
Gogf Mar 05, 2004, 07:18 AM Yay more! Great new parts Daft.
Daftpanzer Mar 05, 2004, 11:07 AM /edit, posts updated. Sorry for unleashing unfinished stuff and spoiling it! i had a look back and it was acutally a lot harder and more uncertain than how i first wrote it. From now ill take time to properly write the story, keeping in line with before, and not trying to add too much at once...
Espírito Mar 05, 2004, 12:06 PM yeah edit it! i missed it first time round and now ya are spoiling the story ;-(
silver 2039 Mar 06, 2004, 08:59 AM Edit: double post
silver 2039 Mar 06, 2004, 08:59 AM Fianlly Daftpanzer it's about time. Now I want more!
dexters Mar 06, 2004, 09:11 AM Originally posted by Daftpanzer
/edit, posts updated. Sorry for unleashing unfinished stuff and spoiling it! i had a look back and it was acutally a lot harder and more uncertain than how i first wrote it. From now ill take time to properly write the story, keeping in line with before, and not trying to add too much at once...
Don't be apologizing daft. we were rushing you to post too :p
das Mar 06, 2004, 09:17 AM Good work. Just to give you a tip though (in regards to the newspaper), when making communist-government speeches and stuff, try to use the words "people", "people's enemy", "global revolution", "corrupt imperialism", "historical dialectic" as often as you could.
And by the way - just noticed what year it is. I often get Industrial Age in the early AD years, but never in the BC...
Daftpanzer Mar 06, 2004, 09:39 AM thanks for the replies,
i wasnt being too serious with that newspaper thing and stuff, but ill bear that in mind....
the game is only in B.C beacuase i really messed up the timescale when i made a custom game. it started in 5000bc, and i put in more turns. With reduced a.i trading, i thought it would balance out, but ive gone way to far with it, the game wont get out of BC.
I guess that 0AD is some amazing event in the future, which causes people to count the years from then on.
das Mar 06, 2004, 11:22 AM LOL. Perhaps it means that after a 40-year long journey a Celtic spaceship will reach Alpha Centauri then? Or will you go for culture/domination/whatever (if you wanna be a peacekeeper, you probably won't go for conquest, right)?
RagingBarbarian Mar 06, 2004, 11:49 AM Now the germans have their orginal land back, but isn't their capital still on your continent?
das Mar 06, 2004, 12:22 PM Well, obviously. daft, you might want to explain this as Bismarck being afraid the French would try to get him as well, so he decided to stay.
CaptainCommando Mar 06, 2004, 04:44 PM Heh, i thought that newspaper was brilliant, like how it said at the bottom: "Uphold the warrior tradition of your clan! Enlist today! See inside for nearest barracks!"
I could totally picture that in like a World War 1 era newspaper. It amazes me how creative you are with this :D
das Mar 08, 2004, 09:34 AM So, did the celts die out due to a mystirious plague, or is daft just busy?
CaptainCommando Mar 08, 2004, 12:16 PM He's probably just busy, and he said he's going to take extra time to get his pictures and text prepared to make it more theatrical or something of that nature. :)
Daftpanzer Mar 08, 2004, 02:00 PM did i say that? :(
i havent started the next part yet. Im amazed, some of the comments suggest i set a good standard for the first parts of the story! i dont know if i can keep it up. Im waiting for inspiration or something....
plus ive got a load of work to do :(
silver 2039 Mar 08, 2004, 02:03 PM Well we would prefer to have fewer better parts than more bad parts so take your time, but not too much time or you'll make your fans angry.
The Great Quan Mar 08, 2004, 06:06 PM Daft,
What could possibly be more important than posting your story?
HiroHito Mar 09, 2004, 04:12 AM Just finished reading this gem and...WOW ! very nice mister !
Thanks a lot for all the efforts put in it.
You're the king :king:
Point13 Mar 09, 2004, 06:53 AM Daft could nearly start a religon!
Tathlum Mar 09, 2004, 08:50 AM Hi Daft.
If its stopped being fun you don't have to do it. This is a fun HOBBY its not work.
If you left it now I would walk away satisfied and extremely gratefull for your highly entertaining story. You put in a lot of hard work and I truely am gratefull.
I hope you write on, but whether you write on or not THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANKYOU, for a wonderfull story....
EDIT; damn spelling....
Espírito Mar 09, 2004, 12:01 PM don't listen to him, its your duty to your worshippers to continue, and then when you have finished, do another ;-)
silver 2039 Mar 09, 2004, 02:06 PM Yes continue Daft we demand it! Or else...
Gogf Mar 09, 2004, 02:13 PM I agree... you must continue!
Pint Mar 09, 2004, 02:42 PM Tathlum is entirely right, you dont HAVE to continue if you dont want to, but Im sure alot of people would be disapointed... no pressure or anything.
HiroHito Mar 09, 2004, 05:33 PM what no pressure ? I'm turning crazy here :mad:
jk
Btw if he doesnt want to continue it, maybe someone else could care of it ?
silver 2039 Mar 09, 2004, 05:35 PM Would'nt be the same though.
HiroHito Mar 09, 2004, 05:53 PM so ? nobody has the monopole of creativity. I'm not saying oust him, just in case he doesnt want to finish what he started.
DragonRunner Mar 10, 2004, 08:57 AM Daft- this is a really great story. I love the Sauruman-esque qu ote by the Iroquois.:)
Let me guess, you like "Aggressive Negotiations"?:D
Daftpanzer Mar 10, 2004, 07:43 PM hmm aggresive negotiations? i wish there was a way to be reasonable wit the a.i...
@HiroHito, absulotely nobody has a monopoly! But i would like to finish this story. It might take a while, and it might not be very interesting, with most of the enemy powers beaten and broken. But id like to see what happens with modern tech arriving, and maybe the a.i will suprise me somehow!
I am honoured that people enjoy what ive posted so far. I will continue the story but i feel the peackeeping mission is almost complete :)
silver 2039 Mar 10, 2004, 07:44 PM Well you can always make another story after this one.
HiroHito Mar 10, 2004, 11:32 PM Originally posted by Daftpanzer
@HiroHito, absulotely nobody has a monopoly! But i would like to finish this story. It might take a while, and it might not be very interesting, with most of the enemy powers beaten and broken. But id like to see what happens with modern tech arriving, and maybe the a.i will suprise me somehow!
...But I beg you to do so sir, I was just afraid that you lost the incentive to complete it as it must take a helluva lot of time.
CaptainCommando Mar 11, 2004, 02:49 PM The AI always manages to unpleasantly surprise me somehow :rolleyes: I remember once i was way out ahead of all civs in late Industrial Era, when Korea, who was sharing an island with Japan, declared war and absolutely thrashed Japan, becoming huge in the process.
By the early Modern Ages i was in such stiff competition with the Koreans, it was nuts. If the AI didn't suck at everything water-related, such as continental invasions and aircraft carriers, i would've been in real trouble.
Celeborn Mar 11, 2004, 06:07 PM I would like to see a story in this style but in Daft's SpaceWars Mod... That could be intresting... :D
but anyhoo, keep up the good work!
Pangur Bán Mar 11, 2004, 06:17 PM I enjoyed reading this greatly...good work :goodjob:
Seanirl Mar 13, 2004, 02:10 PM Peace couldnt last. The inca did not share our love of nature. They did not respect the trees, and they hunted animals and enslaved them for pure greed. Nor did the incas respect our sacred territory, which nature and fate had granted to us.
War broke out with the inca. The Celts asserted their sacred right to all land near the great sacred river, that flowed across the known world. Spurred on by the growing hostilities, our metalworking techniques greatly improved, and Celtic warriors soon carried swords of the finest quality. The new celtic swordsmen organsied into small bands capable of moving very quickly, and proved very effective at covering long distances between our cities and stopping any inca attacks. The odds turned in our favourm as unkown to us the incas are also fighting others at this time.
That doesn't sound like you're trying to respect other cultures and keep the peace:rolleyes:
Their culture didn't respect trees and you declared war on them for that, how non-peacekeeping can you get?;)
HiroHito Mar 13, 2004, 04:34 PM as peace keeping as the US I guess :cool:
This story's main strenght is being quite realistical.
alex994 Mar 13, 2004, 06:16 PM Hurry Up! I can't wait
silver 2039 Mar 13, 2004, 07:43 PM Yeah! What's up Daftpanzer? How have the celts been faring.
.:KNAS:. Mar 14, 2004, 03:47 AM If you have become bored by playing this perticular game, please start another one because we all love your stories. The point is your a great writer and it is not fair to humanity for you to not write. :)
Volum Mar 14, 2004, 10:36 AM KUTGW! :goodjob:
Seanirl Mar 14, 2004, 10:38 AM as peace keeping as the US I guess
Heh, just what I was thinking.
alex994 Mar 14, 2004, 02:52 PM Please, hurry up. We're dying with anxiety!!!
Global Nexus Mar 14, 2004, 04:07 PM Originally posted by alex994
Please, hurry up. We're dying with anxiety!!!
But if he hurries, it won't be as good as usual, now will it? ^^
The Lodian Mar 15, 2004, 08:34 PM Love the story, the best part about them are the Age of Empire pictures associated with the game.:goodjob:
LouLong Mar 16, 2004, 09:02 AM Daftpanzer ! Daftpanzer ! Daftpanzer ! Daftpanzer !
We are waiting but take your time (you probably need it for your great reports).
BTW I have tried to play that style myself (protecting the weak and giving back their cities to them) but they always turn out to feel bad towards me. And of course I would like to get their "capital" back....
Point13 Mar 16, 2004, 08:38 PM Originally posted by Seanirl
That doesn't sound like you're trying to respect other cultures and keep the peace:rolleyes:
Their culture didn't respect trees and you declared war on them for that, how non-peacekeeping can you get?;)
tree huggers can fight for whats theirs!
BACK HEATHEN! insult not Lord DaftPanzer!
The Great Quan Mar 17, 2004, 07:18 AM You tell 'em Cap! Some ideas are worth fighting for.
All we are saying is give fighting for peace a chance.
Seanirl Mar 17, 2004, 10:09 AM tree huggers can fight for whats theirs!
BACK HEATHEN! insult not Lord DaftPanzer!
But the tree huggers already had what was theirs. Then they dishonoured another culture which they had set out not to do.
Lousy tree huggers... hugging trees... and whales... and whatever they can get their filthy hands on ;)
The Great Quan Mar 17, 2004, 10:30 AM Sometimes it's okay to admit that a culture can be wrong.
Daft's Celts promote the transcendent truth that trees are good. In our age of moral relativism (a faulty and self defeating philosophy) it is understandable how one would be confused and even repulsed by the strong moral stand taken by the great Brennus. But once we shake off the ignorant, though convenient, idea that we can each decide what is right for each of us and understand that there is room in the universe for a transcendent right and wrong, we understand the Celts behavior.
Either the Celts are agents, created and empowered by the gods, or they are cosmic accidents. The first scenario (stated by our beloved story-bringer) endows the creator(s) with the right to set up rules of right and wrong (in fact with an omniscient creator it is implied that the moral rules are a part of the fabric of reality, like gravity). The second scenario reaps no moral absolutes from the random, unproven, and extremely unlikely emergence of intelligence from the mythical (also speculative) primordial ooze. In this case, might makes right.
Either way the Celts are justified. Either they believe protecting trees is their duty to the gods and reality (they can either be right or wrong, though moral relativism denies them even this dignity) or they can do what they want if they are strong enough.
So get off Mr. D-Panzer's back!
das Mar 17, 2004, 12:40 PM The celtic treekeepers!
Daft, if you don't post more now, I'll start cutting down trees all over my empire. Muwhaahahahahahahhahahah.
*waits for 5 seconds*
Well, that's it, the threat isn't working. Let's go commit mass suicide. Or wait for Daft to post some more or for some other good story.
Tathlum Mar 17, 2004, 01:03 PM Also seeing as the celts planted sacred Groves instead of building temples, and held many trees to be sacred, sentient or magical, widespread deforestation would be seen as sacrelige. The Inca knew these beliefs yet caried on, obviously a direct insult to the Celts and an assault on their beliefs. Indeed I'm amazed that Brennus was able to control his warriors for long enough to form a battleplan.
The Inca knew what they were doing and given the times, got what they deserved.
SEE WHAT YOU'VE REDUCED US TO! ARGUEING THE MORALITY OF CUTTING TREES IN A COMPUTER GAME!!! WE WANT OUR STORY! DAMNIT!!!
[pant][pant][pant]
Tathlum comes back to senses.
But theres no pressure;)
I like stories....
Seanirl Mar 17, 2004, 02:38 PM Daft's Celts promote the transcendent truth that trees are good. In our age of moral relativism (a faulty and self defeating philosophy) it is understandable how one would be confused and even repulsed by the strong moral stand taken by the great Brennus. But once we shake off the ignorant, though convenient, idea that we can each decide what is right for each of us and understand that there is room in the universe for a transcendent right and wrong, we understand the Celts behavior.
but they're putting the lives of trees above Incans.
Well, that's it, the threat isn't working. Let's go commit mass suicide. Or wait for Daft to post some more or for some other good story.
Oooh you mean like in those cults?
Leader: Now we all need to commit mass suicide, 'cept I have to stay here for.... things.
That's the way it always is, idiots commit suicide whilst the leader needs to stay for some reason :lol:
Also seeing as the celts planted sacred Groves instead of building temples, and held many trees to be sacred, sentient or magical, widespread deforestation would be seen as sacrelige.
Harming oak trees was also illegal in ancient Ireland. And was punished by a fine in terms of cattle ;)
The Inca knew these beliefs yet caried on, obviously a direct insult to the Celts and an assault on their beliefs. Indeed I'm amazed that Brennus was able to control his warriors for long enough to form a battleplan.
Good point. Kill them all :soldier: serves them right for being Incan infidels :mischief:
necrosmith Mar 17, 2004, 03:35 PM Just picked up the thread and read it all in one sitting.
All I can say is...WOW.
Far and away, this is the best civ story thread I have ever read.
I love the detailed war maps..reminds me of some of the old shows I used to watch on the educational channels showing the history of WWI and WWII.
Great, great stuff.
Seanirl Mar 17, 2004, 04:55 PM Just picked up the thread and read it all in one sitting.
Amazing. I can never do more than skim through the whole thing looking at the pictures and taking note of the main events.
God knows how someone can actually WRITE it.
AlcTrv Mar 17, 2004, 05:20 PM Just wondering, how do you get the dotted lines for the borders, and is irrigation modded to look different (if so, what. Just wondering, I don't mod much)?
wurkwurk Mar 17, 2004, 06:10 PM Wow...he just inspired me to do my stories in his style. Now all I have to do is play! Btw, didn't you guys realize you filled up an entire page without any entry from Daftpanzer himself?
silver 2039 Mar 17, 2004, 06:27 PM WHERE IS DAFTPANZER? Have you give up on the story. Becuase if you have...:mad:
Brewster Mar 18, 2004, 06:49 AM Excellent story so far (I'm assuming more will be forthcomming). Great use of pics and superb writing make this thread a must read for any civ fanatic. Keep up the good work.
das Mar 18, 2004, 09:40 AM Oooh you mean like in those cults?
Leader: Now we all need to commit mass suicide, 'cept I have to stay here for.... things.
That's the way it always is, idiots commit suicide whilst the leader needs to stay for some reason
It wasn't in my original plan, but now that you mentioned it...........
And trees are actually evil hive-like aliens that mind control people by generating a vapour-like substance that is horribly addictive and is entered by breathing! Incas tried to stop the infestation but failed, and now they too are controled by the Treetron Empire! They are aliens, aliens I tell you! They want to make humanity their slaves! Trees have also taken Daft hostage since he was probably about to reveal the truth to us!!!!!!!!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh !
Okay, I guess that was alittle too silly. But I cannot think right after I see that Daft didn't post anything new yet.
Celeborn Mar 18, 2004, 02:48 PM See this story is good! Daft managed to get AlcTrv
to post outside LotM! But we shall see what happens to the People of Celtonia...
And down with the Incas!!!! They destroyed the Sacred Groves!!!!!
Vizurok Mar 18, 2004, 03:07 PM Master Daftpanzer!
Your thread rules the whole "stories and tales"! It is the best tale ever!
Please send us only one post! We would like to know if you are living :) and working on the project!
Thx!
AlcTrv Mar 18, 2004, 04:29 PM Ah, my luck. I was able to see all the images on page 2 just fine, but for some reason now I can't see the "rallying army" or any others past that. It seems to be the site, I asked my friend to check and it didn't work for him either
Originally posted by Celeborn
See this story is good! Daft managed to get AlcTrv to post outside LotM!
I've been spotted
<_<
>_>
(runs back to shelter of LotM)
DisruptiveIdiot Mar 18, 2004, 04:49 PM If you cant see the images, quote the story and visit the links seperately, than go back to the story and they'll display.
AlcTrv Mar 18, 2004, 07:23 PM Well, tried that. For example, one image is marked as http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/maya1.txt
However, I type that in and to page loads. Is it because it's txt? But then how come it worked for me last night?
EDIT-Well, I tried again after midnight, and they worked again. Ah well, maybe even this site has bandwith limits or something
ronok Mar 19, 2004, 04:24 PM PLEASE post more you, can't stop now we're hooked!!!
Seanirl Mar 20, 2004, 07:57 AM And trees are actually evil hive-like aliens that mind control people by generating a vapour-like substance that is horribly addictive and is entered by breathing!
Now that you mention it.... I HAVE noticed a strange lack of dying whilst I'm on planets with trees... and once I hold my breath, I begin to have an urge to breathe:eek:
Okay, I guess that was alittle too silly. But I cannot think right after I see that Daft didn't post anything new yet.
peh, lousy Daft....
silver 2039 Mar 20, 2004, 08:44 AM DaftPanzer at least tell us if you're still alive. Have you given up on this?
Seanirl Mar 20, 2004, 08:47 AM Probably....
or just having a game of Civ and hench getting more material for story telling...
Seanirl Mar 20, 2004, 08:54 AM Then again, it HAS been a long time...
silver 2039 Mar 20, 2004, 08:55 AM Why don't we just keep posting here till Daft responds.
Seanirl Mar 20, 2004, 09:36 AM Yeah, it's bound to work!
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Seanirl Mar 20, 2004, 09:46 AM Now I've enough posts for an avatar. w00t. I also now have a title to match :goodjob:
RagingBarbarian Mar 20, 2004, 04:21 PM great new avatar, seanirl.
Where is daftpanzer? We must find out what happend to celtonia!
silver 2039 Mar 20, 2004, 04:23 PM Has anyone pm'ed or emailed daftpanzer? Or we could find his phone number and call him or get his address and go to his house.
Point13 Mar 20, 2004, 05:10 PM we could plant trees in his garden... I mean, he is the leader of a treehugging nation :/
My dad is a platinuim member of Delta, maybe i could get a ticket to where he lives!
silver 2039 Mar 20, 2004, 05:19 PM He lives in Britan! Thats a start!
wurkwurk Mar 20, 2004, 07:37 PM 2 pages filled up waiting for Daftpanzer, who never comes. Lame.
silver 2039 Mar 20, 2004, 07:40 PM Well lets keep posting he has to show up eventually.
Captin Zebra Mar 20, 2004, 07:51 PM im going to kill myself!!. please post soon!!
ArmPilot Mar 20, 2004, 08:00 PM Originally posted by Captin Zebra
im going to kill myself!!. please post soon!! But then how could we continue the story of celtonia??? You'd have to copy the save file while your killing him then someone else would wright the story and have the celts conquer the world.... and the trees:satan: :mwaha: :devil2: :evil:
silver 2039 Mar 20, 2004, 08:02 PM If he dose'nt post soon I'll hunt him down and make him!
wurkwurk Mar 20, 2004, 09:34 PM Yeah hey Daftpanzer (if you're still out there), let us know if you have any saves you can give us to finish the tale ourselves!
das Mar 21, 2004, 12:18 AM Yep. New suggestion - let's open a transdimensional portal and go that new palace of his in Celtonia. I'll bet that's where he went. Okay, so maybe it's not that good, so let's just vote on what's better:
a) Threatening him to cut down trees around his house.
b) Continue spamming/bumping this thread, trying to get his attention.
c) Stand on our heads, trying to get his attention.
d) Commit mass suicide.
e) Open a transdimensional portal to Celtonia
l) Attack the Tree mothership above the Celtonian orbit and rescue Daft from them.
g) Forget about this.
Let's vote!
das Mar 21, 2004, 12:21 AM WAIT! Just looked at Daft's profile. He last posted on this forum today, so he's still alive and has internet access. Maybe we should PM him about this?
Daftpanzer Mar 21, 2004, 07:48 PM Hey
Sorry its been a while! I am alive and ive been checking in here.
I will continue this story, ive just got a lot of work and other distractions at the moment....
Thanks very much for the replies and feedback. I cant promise the next part will be anything special tho (im a bit frightened). But i will continue and thanks very much for the interest in this story so far.
Hugging a tree is good for you (and the tree!). Tree worship will spread all over the world! Well ok, maybe only in my civ3 games...
PS i dont know why i spent so much time on this. I guess i should be out taking drugs like normal people! I am wierd, but i find these types of games fun to make into stories. If other people enjoy it then i think thats cool :)
silver 2039 Mar 21, 2004, 07:51 PM Finally Daftpanzer! You're alive we were about to commit mass sucide. We thought you were dead! If you were'nt we would have hunted you down and forced you to write!
AlcTrv Mar 21, 2004, 09:37 PM I'm up for a new story when you're ready, as this one seems like it isn't very...suspensful now that you knocked out every superpower.
Vizurok Mar 22, 2004, 10:21 AM Thank you Daftpanzer, thank you!
Gald to hear that you live :), and you will be able to continue or finish the story!!!
Thank you again! :worship: :worship: :thanx:
The Great Quan Mar 22, 2004, 10:29 AM The Great Quan rejoices!!!!
das Mar 22, 2004, 11:47 AM Hurray! The trees didn't kidnap you after all!
When is the next part?
RowAndLive Mar 23, 2004, 11:18 AM Originally posted by silver 2039
we were about to commit mass sucide.
I wasn't quite ready to drink the Kool Aid, but I was really enjoying this story. It is fully understandable when a game starts to get stale, though - it happens to me all the time.
Write on! - or let us know that you're deciding to end it.
Gogf Mar 24, 2004, 10:58 AM Thank God he's still alive.
das Mar 28, 2004, 05:27 AM Sooooooo... What now, Daft?
silver 2039 Mar 28, 2004, 09:27 AM He must be dead killed by a angry fan. :sad:
das Mar 28, 2004, 11:16 AM It wasn't me. *looks suspiciously at silver 2039*
silver 2039 Mar 28, 2004, 11:27 AM Hmm... it was'nt me either. I want all of you to tell me where you were at 10:00 last night.
Global Nexus Mar 28, 2004, 11:31 AM I admit it! It was me! I did it! I killed him! :p
silver 2039 Mar 28, 2004, 11:43 AM MURDER! Lynch him! :mad:
das Mar 28, 2004, 11:58 AM Lynching would be rather immoral. Let's cover him in tar and feathers, electrecute him ten times, toss him in to the Loch Ness lake and drop a tactical nuke on it!
Then let's go into the future with Daft's corpse and revive him. Yeah, that's the solution to all our problems!
Point13 Mar 29, 2004, 04:44 PM sounds right to me. How bout some Chinese Water Torture?
The Great Quan Mar 30, 2004, 08:29 AM I suggest we pass on the traditional torture and simply take away his internet connection.
Imagine the loss of pride when "Global Nexus" is reduced to "I only have access to Decatur Nexus".
das Mar 31, 2004, 09:01 AM No. He needs to update the Colonization NES, so disconnecting him is out of question. I have a new idea, something he guaranteedly doesn't expect... Nobody expects it..... All think it has disappeared...
Anyone knows his shoe size?
Global Nexus Mar 31, 2004, 08:29 PM Originally posted by The Great Quan
Imagine the loss of pride when "Global Nexus" is reduced to "I only have access to Decatur Nexus".
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Do you mind if I use this as a quote in my...uh...currently nonexistent signature?
EDIT: Note to self -- don't click "disable smilies" when you intend to use them.
The Great Quan Apr 01, 2004, 07:20 AM Feel free GN.
alex994 Apr 03, 2004, 12:40 PM So long, dying of anxiety, must know more...
silver 2039 Apr 04, 2004, 05:23 PM Guys I hate to break this to you but I think this is it. Daftpanzer is finished. Since he is no longer writing I propose we hunt him down and burn him alive on a funeral pyre in traditional Celtic fashion. Or we could just keep spamming here until a mod bans us permantely.
Point13 Apr 05, 2004, 07:34 AM or we could burn him them spam about it until we're banned ;0.
ORRR we could hack into his comp. steal the save, continue for him THEN burn him and spam in his thread :)
das Apr 05, 2004, 11:01 AM Nah. Let's just use the Force to mind control him.
"You will continue this game"
"I will continue this game"
"You will write a story about it"
"I will write a story about it"
LOL.
The Lodian Apr 05, 2004, 07:04 PM Are you guys ever going to give up about this story???:lol: Every time you guys post, it gives me a false glimmer of home that Daftpanzer is continuing his story, but to no avail, it is always somebody else trying to get him to continue...
The Great Quan Apr 06, 2004, 09:13 AM I'm with you The (can I call you The? or is it Mr. Lodian?) I keep going to the link though, because I want to be ready for Dafty when he comes back.
I'm reminded of the parable Jesus told of the 10 virgins. 5 were unwise and didn't have extra oil and when the went out to get more for their lamps... doh! the bridegroom comes in and shuts them out. Be ready.
So now I'm waiting for the second coming of the Daftpanzer as well as the Christ (with less and more importance respectively) and for Daft my oil is to keep myself subscribed to this thread.
Oh, and Lody, here's another false glimmer of hope.
The Lodian Apr 06, 2004, 02:25 PM Quan, Call me Lody, I kinda like that nickname...:lol:
The Commander Apr 06, 2004, 09:24 PM Wow, i just read through this story and it is absolutely fantastic, the thing is, the thread creator hasn't posted in like.... 8 pages of messages.
I think it's time to call it quits; i know, i want to see more of it too. But chances are its really hard to do all those pictures, not to mention splice in screenshots from otehr games, it must take him a couple hours just to do one segment of the story.
Chances are he's afraid to post here and say he doesn't want to continue or do another story because he'd be facing a fate worse than death. All you can do now is private message spam him until he gets you banned or leaves the site, or check his profile for where he last posted and try to corner him in a thread and demand satisfaction :D
The Great Quan Apr 07, 2004, 03:26 PM As much as I hate the truth of it, the Commander has a point.
Point13 Apr 07, 2004, 08:02 PM I will never give up!
I call for the creation of the Daft Legion! Let all who feel the show must go on show their colors and join!
alex994 Apr 07, 2004, 08:57 PM I will join, let's track him down, and get him to tell us the next part!
das Apr 08, 2004, 11:07 AM Show my color? Okay. Here is my color:
DARK RED
So yeah, I join.
EDIT: Wrong color...
ronok Apr 08, 2004, 11:32 AM I'll join.
Volum Apr 08, 2004, 01:18 PM People, i think we all have to acsept that this is dead.
Espírito Apr 08, 2004, 01:59 PM Do we have to be daft to join?
IM A DEEP PINK COLOR PERSON
Lets go hunt down some deep pink colored trees to make a Daft COmpass out of :D
Is that kinda daft thing to do?
Point13 Apr 08, 2004, 08:39 PM indeed it is, I say we lay low, then ambush him when decides to post again...
and Volum, we're daft, we don't accept that its dead
Celeborn Apr 25, 2004, 06:19 PM It would seem that this has truelly come to an end...
ah well! It was good while it lasted!
alex994 Apr 25, 2004, 06:30 PM never surrender!
Daftpanzer Apr 25, 2004, 06:33 PM Hey, thanks for the interest in this still! I somehow didnt know about the last few posts, sorry for not replying
I still want to finish this at some point. Tonight im finishing off my university main project thing, which i have been working solidly on for the past week and a bit, ive got other deadlines coming up :(
At some point, ill continue this. i think that the different cultures have each shown themselves incabable of living peacefully. A different strategy is needed. In the name of peace, the whole world needs to be conquered! what do you think?
alex994 Apr 25, 2004, 06:48 PM excellant, u live and still have ideas...
Point13 Apr 25, 2004, 08:56 PM YES! The Daft Legion believes not in vain!
Celeborn Apr 26, 2004, 09:43 PM Ah ok...
Hope lives on then...
The Lodian Apr 29, 2004, 06:34 PM Ah, the great storyteller Daftpanzer has returned!!!
ronok Apr 29, 2004, 09:32 PM Unite the world, Daft.
Mr Funkypants May 01, 2004, 05:37 PM May daft at one point continue his story! It's really good, awesome job.
Volum May 02, 2004, 06:34 AM We must all make sure to spam this thread enough to keep it at the top of the page so Daftpanzer dosnt forget about it!
silver 2039 May 02, 2004, 10:18 AM Yes! We must spam till we are banned or Daft continues this story!
Tycho Brahe May 04, 2004, 08:50 AM Wow! I´ve just picked up this thread and its awesome! :D
Thank you Daftpanzer, thank you thank you. :)
Mr Funkypants May 05, 2004, 03:57 PM Spamming time! wooooooooooooooooooooo!
Smellincoffee May 05, 2004, 09:41 PM Wow! Everytime I saw this in the forum, I thought for some reason it was people replying to Charis' Celetic Christmas tale, so I never bothered reading it (having already read that twice)...but tonight I was bored, and so discovered this. I'm an immediate fan, and NOW I want to buy RoN. :lol:
(Oh, and sorry for providing a false glimmer of hope that he had replied.)
Ne1 aKa Xcuse May 12, 2004, 07:00 AM Damn i hope DaftPanzer soon proceed with this story :) It roxx :goodjob:
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