Admin/Host = Killer A's
All players will PM their e-mail addresses and civ choice to the host, and the host will distribute the list among the players by e-mail.

Version = 1.15 Beta
When a new patch is released, and the host upgrades, all other players must do the same.

Epic Game
Quantity of Civs = 4
Quantity of human players = 4
Quantity of AIs = 0

Difficulty = Regent
World Size = Small
Barbarian Activity = Roaming
Landmass = Continents
Water Coverage = 70% Water
Climate = Random
Temperature = Random
Age = Random

Default Rules
with Mass Regicide
without Diplomatic and Cultural Victories
without Culturally Linked Start Locations

Only reply if you usually play your solo games at Monarch or lower.

Players:
Killer A's: Egypt
Myzenium: Byzantines
DogBoy: Rome
jshelr: Iroquois

Hello!

Killer A's and I have put together this little PBEM, but we need two more players to make it complete. Consider all the details above, and if you like it, send a PM to Killer A's.

Of course, we are open to suggestions for the random map generation and game rules. If you have an idea on how to make this PBEM better, feel free to mention it. We won't kill you for speaking your mind. ;)

Speak for yourself Myzenium. I'll use any reason to kill someone in Civ. :slay:

Killer A, I'm PMing you right now.

CLOSED

Turn 1, 4000 BC has been sent to jshelr.

EDIT: My reckoning of the turn from this post to Post #27 is wrong. It seems that the first turn (4000 BC) is numbered '0'.

WOW! I get the turn at about 9:30 last night. Sent now.

Turn 2, 3950 BC has been sent to jshelr.

I'll routinely post files here and clean them out on the next turn. I use AOL which means lots of files get lost.

Turn 3 (3900 BC) has been sent to jshelr.

sent

sent

Turn 4 (3850 BC) is here! It's jshelr's move.

Sent

It's Turn 5 (3800 BC), and it's your move, jshelr.

sent and posted

Iroquois wise men say take that settler home. ;)

Turn 6 (3750 BC) is come, and it's jshelr's move.

sent -- good natured boo, hiss from the Iroquois

Turn 7 (3700 BC).

It's jshelr's move.

Nice thing about this game is that you do have some units to move at the start.

Turn 8 (3650 BC).

Your move, jshelr.

jshelr said:

Nice thing about this game is that you do have some units to move at the start.

Yeah. This is my first Mass Regicide game. I wasn't expecting SEVEN Kings. :)

posted and sent.

Turn 9 (3600 BC).

Your move, jshelr.

3600

Turn 10 (3550 BC).

Your move, jshelr.

we've moved. Iroquois wise men considering emigration.

The Victory Status Screen tells me that this is Turn 10, so I will count the turn now using it. (I did a test to see which number represents the very first turn, and it read '0', believe it or not.)

Turn 10 (3500 BC).

It's jshelr's move.

posted and sent

You sent me the wrong save. You also posted the wrong save.

consistency is important:p

Turn 11 (3450 BC).

It's jshelr's move.

posted and sent

Turn 12 (3400 BC).

It's jshelr's move.

sent and posted

Turn 13 (3350 BC).

Your move, jshelr.

posted and sent

Turn 14 (3300 BC).

It's jshelr's move.

:)

Turn 15 (3250 BC).

It's jshelr's move.

:)

Turn 16 (3200 BC).

Again, it's jshelr's move. :)

sent and posted

Turn 17 (3150 BC).

It's jshelr's move.

:)

:) Okay, jshelr, you've forced me to ask this one:

Why are you smiling? Do you know something we do not? Have you found something near your starting location that will likely benefit only you? Neither?

Turn 18 (3100 BC).

Your move, jshelr.

:)

I will be out of town this weekend. I will play my turn Friday night before I leave, and I will be back Sunday night. So basically I will only miss Saturday night. Sorry for the inconvenience.

You will be missed, DogBoy. Enjoy your weekend. :cool:

Turn 19 (3050 BC).

And it's jshelr's move.

Originally posted by Myzenium
:) Okay, jshelr, you've forced me to ask this one:

Why are you smiling? Do you know something we do not? Have you found something near your starting location that will likely benefit only you? Neither?

Caesar, those who are about to die, salute you:D

posted and sent

Turn 20 (3000 BC).

And it's jshelr's move. :)

:)

Turn 21 (2950 BC).

And jshelr must move now.

How was your weekend, DogBoy?

:)

Ok, I'm back online! I live in a new subdivision and houses are still being built. The construction workers hit the cable line, but the cable people came today and fixed it. Hopefully they don't hit it again.

My weekend was great! I took a motorcycle safety course. I'm in the military and it is required to take the course in order to drive a motorcycle on a military installation. I have been saving for 7 years to get a Harley Davidson, and I will probably get one in about 2 weeks, as soon as my certificate comes in the mail and I can get the "m" on my driver's license.

Yeah, that does sound like a good weekend! :)

Turn 22 (2900 BC).

Your move, jshelr.

:) file posted next

:p

Turn 23 (2850 BC).

Your move, jshelr.

:)

Turn 24 (2800 BC).

:) It's jshelr's move.

ok, i'll stop with the faces (they saved a few keystrokes)

Nah, I don't mind your smilies. :) We could use more happy people in this world. I step into my workplace, and I see almost everyone frowning (or worse, scowling).

If you're comfortable with smiling, then smile away I say! :D

Turn 25 (2750 BC).

And it's your move, jshelr.

posted and sent

Turn 26 (2710 BC).

Your move, jshelr. :)

posted and sent

Turn 27 (2670 BC).

And it's jshelr's move.

posted and sent

Turn 28 (2630 BC).

Your move, jshelr. :)

:)

Turn 29 (2590 BC).

Your move, jshelr. :)

:)

Received and sent turn at about 6:10 EST

Turn 30 (2550 BC).

And it's your move, jshelr. :)

I'll be travelling the next couple of days. Often I can plug in at airports or hotel rooms. But if I don't respond on time, this is why.

Some kind of business trip? Or a vacation?

Turn 31 (2510 BC).

And it's your move, jshelr. :)

:sheep: Had to talk to our customers

Turn 32 (2470 BC).

It's jshelr's move.

posted and sent

Turn 33 (2430 BC).

And it's jshelr's move. :)

posted and sent

It seems we've somehow cut the string of this PBEM. I think it's time to ask: Whose turn is it?

Please reply with the last game year you played.

The last turn I played was in 2430 BC.

The last one I played was 2470BC. I see now that JShleR posted it but never sent it to me. I will go ahead and d/l it here and play and send it.

Ok, played and sent. I think I just realized what happened. I sent JShler an e-mail asking him a question. He responded but didn't attach the save. He probably thought he did because he posted on this board that same day which was 2 days ago. Anyway, game has been sent.

Here is something to think about while you wait. :(

If email successfully get to their target 95% of the time (including human error) how many rounds will we play on average before we get stuck?

(That's why I post the file.)

True, but I don't always come to this page. I'm glad you post the save here. Everybody is different. I'm in some PBEMs where the guy after me never checks his e-mail and forces me to come here and post that I sent him the save. I, on the other hand, am different. I leave my e-mail open and play the save from there. I'm not pointing blame, and I hope you didn't take it that way. I'm just glad the game is moving again.

I'm playing the turn and will be sending it in a couple of minutes.

I've been sick all weekend. Sorry for the delay. :(

Turn 34 (2390 BC).

Your move, jshelr.

Holding turn for a moment to conclude a negotiation.

I just sent you an e-mail.

posted and sent

Turn 35 (2350 BC).

And it's jshelr's move. :)

posted and sent

Turn 36 (2310 BC).

Your move, jshelr. :)

posted and sent

Turn 37 (2270 BC).

And it's your move, jshelr. :)

posted from beautiful detroit and sent

How is Detroit?

Turn 38 (2230 BC).

Your move, jshelr. :)

:)

Turn 39 (2190 BC).

It's jshelr's move. :)

posted and sen

Turn 40 (2150 BC).

It's your move, jshelr. :)

posted and sent

Sorry, guys. I will be visiting a relative over the next 24 hours, so don't expect any activity from me until Sunday afternoon. Have a good Saturday. :)

In case you were wondering, my relative was very sick. She's recovering from surgery, but her recovery has been very slow. It has been six months since the surgery, and she has had every reason to be very miserable. She only started walking recently.

Turn 41 (2110 BC).

The game is rolling again! :) It's jshelr's move.

:p with respect to the game, it's better to be lucky than good

I hope she makes progress soon.

jshelr said:
:p with respect to the game, it's better to be lucky than good
Bad starting location woes got you down? :p Always remember, it's not how you start life that matters, it's how you end it. :D Don't make a bad end of this. Look at this as a opportunity to outshine your competition.

Turn 42 (2070 BC).

And it's jshelr's move. :)

The Iroquois were the ones who were lucky. the Romans have been the ones who've been good. :D

I'm confused how the Iroquois got lucky. Unless you mean your uber-nice starting position.

I'll gladly trade the Iroquois starting position for the Roman starting position. ;)

You know darn well what I'm talking about, IMO.

Then I'm curious as to how you got lucky. You will have to let me know when the game is over.

Turn 43 (2030 BC).

And it's your move, jshelr. :)

posted and sent

Turn 44 (1990 BC).

Your move, jshelr. :)

posted and sent

Turn 45 (1950 BC).

It's jshelr's move. :)

:)

I have sent Killer A's an e-mail concerning the recently released patch v1.20f. We will probably start using it in turn 46. :)

Is that still a beta patch?

C3C Patch v1.20 is a finalized patch, so no, it isn't a beta patch. You can read the patch notes here (http://www.firaxis.com/downloads_detail.cfm?file_id=72).

Download it, but install after we get confirmation from Killer A's.

CIVILIZATION III: CONQUESTS V1.20 DOES NOT SUPPORT SAVE GAMES FROM PRE-V1.20 VERSIONS.

cut and pasted from conquests thread at poly

Perhaps we should create a dual installation and play our game out at 1.15 patch level while starting any new games with the 1.20 patch.

No need. :)

Cut and pasted from the Fixes list:
* PBEM: v1.20 Games can not be loaded on earlier versions. Earlier saves can STILL be loaded in v1.20
We'll be able to enjoy both single-player C3C and our MRf4 with patch v1.20.

I hope you are right, and the fixes list says you are, but their seems to be some question about whether this is right or not at poly. MarkG was the source of the capital lettered denial that the fix you mention works.

Hyperlink, please. I don't even know whether 'poly' is on the CivFanatics' forums.

EDIT: I e-mailed Killer A's again, telling him to hold on patching until we can settle this discussion.

I have the turn. I'm not going to play it until we decide what to do. I could install the patch and see if I can load the game. If it works then everybody else could load the patch because my save would be v1.20. But if it failed I'll have to reinstall Conquests and patches up to v1.15. I'll see about trying it this weekend.

I'd like to investigate what MarkG of 'poly' has to say about v1.20. If it seems credible, we should not install the patch. If it sounds like a newbie's rant, then we should definitely install it.

I'm not sure that trying out v1.20 for a single move would be a decent test. However, if all else fails, we can try that.

The patch works just fine. Apparently Firaxis misworded what they said about the patch. What they meant to say was pre-1.20 computers (as in that computer doesn't have the current patch) will no longer load 1.20 saves. It's the same way it's always been done. I've got the patch and played with it.

I'll load the patch tonight and continue the game.

Firaxis uploaded an emergency patch today. They call it v1.22, and it will resolve many multiplayer issues. You must install it after installing v1.20.

Error Reading file!! This isn't good. I may have to uninstall the patches and live without them. Or do we start over? What's the consensus?

Wouldn't load my solo games either.

A few minutes ago, I installed both v1.20 and v1.22, restarted my computer, booted C3C, and attempted to load our MRf4. I received the same error message, Killer A's. :( Like you said, this isn't good.

I vote for putting this PBEM on hold until Firaxis can resolve its patching issues. When they release a final patch that actually works for our MRf4, we should continue.

(BTW, in case you guys vote otherwise, I kept a copy of patch 1.15 Beta on my hard drive.)

I didn't keep a copy. The patches have always worked. My friend d/l the 1.20 patch and had no troubles. I d/l the 1.20 patch and have had no troubles. I can play the PBEMs that are sent to me, and I can also play my single player games. I don't know why it won't work for you guys.

DogBoy said:

I didn't keep a copy. The patches have always worked. My friend d/l the 1.20 patch and had no troubles. I d/l the 1.20 patch and have had no troubles. I can play the PBEMs that are sent to me, and I can also play my single player games. I don't know why it won't work for you guys.

Really? Let me try uninstalling C3C Conquests, and reinstalling it with patch 1.20. Be back in a few minutes...

(You didn't seem to notice that Firaxis released an update called "v1.22" today. Check the CivFanatics' homepage.)

Here's what I did:

I uninstalled patches v1.22, v1.20, and v1.15. I uninstalled C3C. I restarted my computer. I re-installed C3C, then installed only patch 1.20. Restarted my computer again. Finally, I booted C3C, and loaded my last game file from MRf4.

This time, the loading was successful. :) However, I noticed that a new bug has crept into the game.

It's true that now you don't see the last player's map when you're asked to input your password, yet when a pop-up like a report asking for new production appears, you still can't see your own map, even after you zoom to your city. :( But when you close all the pop-ups, your map will be drawn as it should be.

I expect that this bug is inherited by PBEM and Hotseat games. It's an inconvenience, but the game is still playable.

What do you guys think we should do now?

I'm uninstalling and patching back up to 1.15. I sent a tech support question to Firaxis. I should have an answer no later then this time next week.

I'll go with whatever you guys decide. I've got a copy of 1.15 and Dogboy can restore that version since they keep the old patches on file. When the next save shows up, i'll come back here and see what to do to match your decisions.

Honestly, I'm so damn confused now. I'm in 20 PBEM games. Half are using 1.20 now with no problems. The other half seem to want to stay at 1.15. Now I'm going to have to keep a seperate log with what games play using what patch. I have sent along a lot of my games in the past several days with the new patch. I wonder how many aren't going to be played now. This is so aggrevating.

We're going with 1.20.

Fair enough. :) Then it is v1.20.

Turn 46 (1910 BC).

And it's your move, jshelr. :)

posted and sent

Turn 47 (1870 BC).

And it's jshelr's move. :)

:)

I would like to do something special to commemorate our 50th turn in this PBEM. We're spending so much time on it that it has become a part of our lives, you might say.

Does anyone have any ideas for what we might do?

I don't have clue what to do.

Perhaps each person could attach a map of his territory, or maybe show one of his city status, or a screenshot of his military advisor (unit view), or a screenshot of some other advisor...

Does any of those ideas sound good?

Turn 48 (1830 BC).

Your move, jshelr. :)

posted and sent

the small and stupid Iroquois have little to celebrate:(

I can't think of anyway to celebrate neither. I really don't want to show anybody my map, nor my statuses. If anybody is curious tho, my capitol is at size one right now. But I am glad we made it to turn 50!

Turn 49 (1790 BC).

It's jshelr's move. :)

;)

:confused: took the last file from the 1.15 save list. Having games going in multiple patches is a mess.

Ok, looks like we may have our first war of this game going on right now. How is that for celebrating the 50th turn? I'm just as shocked as most of you that this war is happening. Let me tell you a little bit about it if you don't mind. Me and another civ met, made peace, and everything is going along just fine. Our peace deal ran out, and we decided to renew our peace. Not even two turns later that person sneak attacked me! I know this game is called regicide, but an agreement is an agreement. Kinda hard to know who to trust in these PBEM games if you ask me. The reason that person attack me? They claim they felt pressured into a peace deal and took it as a matter of honor to destroy me :confused:

A decent respect for the opinions of mankind requires an answer from the proud, if small and stupid, Iroquois. We were, we think, first to discover writing. So, we understood well when the Romans moved units into our land and issued this ultimatum,

"My scribes have told me that the peace treaty between us has run out. I wish to extend that peace treaty. I offer you my hand for a period of no less than 50 turns so that we may co-exist in this world together. If not, it appears as if our two nations will plunge into war."

The Iroquois responded with a counter offer to simply extend the peace deal, no limits attached. The Romans insisted on 50 turns and the Iroquois did not respond again, simply letting their actions respond in the game.

In 50 turns, we agree, the Romans would have made short work of our poor civ, cornered in a near-useless patch of ground and surrounded by the much more numerous Roman cities. All we ask is the chance to die like men :eek:

Oh man, and die like men you shall. I say that, and you say that, but you really don't think you will die. It's funny how you were nice to me and agreed to extend the peace treaty until you got your horses hooked up. Now you intend to unleash the mighty Iroquois mounted warriors upon my warriors and kings. How do you expect me to defend that? You don't, and you knew that when you attacked. What makes it worse is you attacked an undefended city in my back lines via sneak attack. I know you will come up with excuses but I have a copy of the messages between us. And for all the world to see, here they are.

This one is from me.

Greetings o' wise ruler of the Iroquois,
My scribes have told me that the peace treaty between us has run out. I wish to extend that peace treaty. I offer you my hand for a period of no less than 50 turns so that we may co-exist in this world together. If not, it appears as if our two nations will plunge into war which will benefit neither of us. It will only allow the others of this world to grow much stronger and bigger, and will ultimately be the death of us. Please reply soon so I know what your intentions are.

DogBoy of the Romans

And this was your response.

I agree to extend the peace treaty.

And now for my response.

My scribes have annotated that our peace will last until turn 96.

And here for all the world to see is your response.

The weak and stupid Iroquois were dumfounded to learn that the might Romans had horseback riding with no visible horses and decided that the source of that tech was probably from abroad. If so, our doom is written and we might as well go like men.

Anyway our tribal council felt we were bullied by your demands for a 50-turn peace while having units in our hamlet. So, to conclude that negotiation, we are at war. It's about honor and all that. I hate attacking without warning, but what can you do? The most I could get the council to agree to do was to give you a free shot at taking one of our cities on the same terms. Good luck. Russ

Now I'm curious as to how this is honorable. I'm also curious as to how you are letting me have a free shot at taking one of your cities, seeing as I don't have any units in your land and I haven't had any units in your lands for probably 30 turns or so. You even say you violated our 50 turns of peace, and you admit to attacking without warning. The logic simply doesn't flow from your civilization. You may wipe me off this land mass, and you may wipe me off this world, but now that the rest of the world knows you can't be trusted, I doubt you will ultimately build a civilization to stand the test of time. Good luck to you too.

Of course, you know that the Iroquois did not agree to 50 turns and, so, we never had a peace contract. If you want, I'll try to find a screen shot where your vet king unit was moved into our North West city's space and you tried to bully us into cravenly allowing you time to build up your lands, which represent about 3/4 of our continent since you popped a settler on our front doorstep and built all your cities in our direction from your mid continent start. We recommend hooking up your ivory and completing Statue of Zeus. (The save for the turn you bullied us is probably at work.)

Your free shot can be had by moving the vet king unit nearest our lands and attacking.

If it makes you feel better, jshelr, my starting location was also on a peninsula next to Killer A's. And DogBoy, don't feel too bad about starting a war so early. Wars happen unexpectedly. I don't think that either of you are not real men because this war started. :p

Happy 50th turn! :) (1750 BC)

It's your move, jshelr.

You guys will likely enjoy some blow by blow description:)

Here is our position at the beginnng of the war near the horse resource of the Iroquois. Note the absence of roads.

Here is the turn as I got it back. Note the change in color guarding the horse resource! That was sure a fast move by the spear, don't you think:goodjob:

Should I wait for someone to offer an explanation or am I just missing something obvious?? By the way, the mounted warrior turn reduction was a forest chop.

the city had 14 shields, adding 3 on that turn for 17. It got 10 from the chop leaving 3 to do in one turn.

Now that i look at the picture, it appears the spear even fortified itself. speed kills. :rolleyes:

The food production changed to 2 also. That is unusual. Are you sure the screen shots are correct?

Since you got the turn, I'm assuming you will pass it along to me soon, eh?

As for "giving me a free shot", hardly I might say. I couldn't see that your city was undefended, even if it was undefended. And when you posted it here it was after I had played my turn and sent the game along. And I doubt your city was undefended. Why would anyone start a war, destroy a city, and say "I'm sorry I razed your city, here is one of mine for you to raze."

As for an early war, I have no problem with that. But we had just extended our peace and i wasn't expecting a back-stabbing. The AI does that, I just assumed most PBEMers wouldn't.

BTW, all my attacks are made in game. Just want to make sure nobody here thinks I'm attacking JShelR personally, just the Iroquois :p

No, I think that's a 3 not a 2 on the turns to grow. I'm going to try to make larger screenshots that cover the dates.

i believe this would be turn 49

turn 50

Both those shots are "beginning of turn" shots. I actually covered the horses with a king unit too if i recall correctly.

So, the speedy Romans have a spear that can travel 2 tiles and fortify in one turn:crazyeye:

Are you gonna send the turn or what?

BTW, this is a multiplayer game. Have you never seen how the units move in a multiplayer game?

I doubt there was any tapering. Play the turn and l live with the game quirk.

Ok, I can accept that verdict. Thanks for considering the issue. You have to choose whether DogBoy is tampering or I’ve doctored the pictures somehow, and it could be either from your point of view. You know him and you don’t know me.

Problem is, from my point of view I know the answer. From my perspective, it is likely that DogBoy feels he was cheated. So, anything goes as far as he is concerned. I’m sorry he feels that way and would be willing to discuss with him, offline, possibilities for repairing confidence.

Actually, despite my whining, the Iroquois have a winning position here, IMO. ;) The Romans chose to build cities very far from their capital, influenced by the location of an early settler pop. They will have trouble linking them up to iron, as well as problems with corruption.

The Iroquois built a nice, compact civ with a good settler/worker pump at the core and agricultural cities on rivers with barracks in most and that are growing like weeds. So, while Rome looks bigger, the Iroquois have more citizens on the ground, working improved tiles. The Iroquois two-move UU will be able to run rings around the Romans in open ground and pillage roads, helped by these otherwise-useless king units. The Romans have been slow to build needed roads. The Romans are too spread out while the Iroquois civ is more like a fort with units quickly able to get to the site of the conflict. A replacement should be easy to attract for this position. (The replacement will be able to take back the horse resource on his or her first turn.)

I will continue if someone offers a logical explanation about how the position shown on the pictures was achieved honestly in one turn. I’m not interested in competing with spears that are materialized at will and fortified immediately. (Maybe Roman spears move as fast as Modern Armor?) That sort of game is a waste of time.

If you wish, I will also play, shall we say, four more turns to give you time to find a substitute. The game was going well and people were paying close attention to fulfilling their responsibilities before this unfortunate episode ruined things.

O.K. I will be contacting jshelr and DogBoy about this and hopefully have it resolved before the end of the weekend.

Ok, you caught me. The jig is up. I have a cheat program that instantly transports units anywhere I want them to go. I can't believe I finally got caught doing this. Actually, I can't believe it took me this long to get caught seeing how I do it all the time. I thought everybody used the cheat and it was common knowledge by now.

And the reason for putting my cities so far apart? There was no danger of them being attacked, seeing how I was at peace with everybody I knew. And that peace was agreed upon to last for a long time, 50 turns to be precise. If we are talking about shady playing, let's talk about breaking peace deals. I know it's obviously allowed as there isn't any way to stop it, but I would be willing to say anyone who does it is probably marked for all other PBEMS. Just my $.02.

corrupted post... Trying again.

Gee, if we had wanted cheat programs used in this PBEM, Killer A's would have posted a link to the cheat website, to let every player download the cheat program. Then the PBEM would have been perfectly fair for all. :p

I say we scrap this MRf4 and start another PBEM, and find someone to take DogBoy's place. Sorry, DogBoy, you violated our trust. :(

Ya, whatever.

I see another person hasn't played a multiplayer or PBEM before. And as for violating your trust, that doesn't bother me as you never even tried to figure out what happened. You are just like everybody else on these message boards that can't figure something out in the game and immediately cries "I found a bug, it's a cheat!" Only to have someone post that it's not a bug and here is how they did it. And then you post another message in a few days because you don't understand something about the game claiming you found another bug, or another cheat. You never really understand how things are possible, and you never try to figure them out. You use the cop out of crying bugs and cheats.

Go ahead and start another game, and hope you have less whiny b!tches in that game then you apparently do in this game. Make sure you don't invite me because I know how to play the game, don't invite JShelR because he wants to cry cheat if he can't figure out the game. Oh, and by the way, don't invite yourself because you also can't figure out how the game works and you want to start over and piss everybody off who has been playing the game. JShelr gave us two options, either accept the fact I cheated or he doctored the pics. And you took that at face value. You never even considered other options. And that's your problem. Even Killer A acknowledged the game had a quirk and told JShelR to live with it. If you wanna get mad at someone, get mad at Firaxis who designed this game. But since I obviously listen and you know Firaxis won't and you want to direct your comments at me, feel free. Flame away.

I guess this is how we are going to celebrate our 50th turn? Happy 50th turn! [party] May we have many more just like it.

I'm willing to start over, of course, or to do whatever you guys want to do. You guys are one of the most efficient groups at actually getting in a turn a day that I've been associated with.

Ya, I'm willing to start over. Or we can just continue with this game. Seems like such a waste to let 50 turns go and start over from scratch. I second what JShelR said about you guys being the most reliable people I have played with, getting one turn a day and sometimes more.

What happened to the game? We were doing so good and then it stopped two days ago.

I'm wondering myself what happened. The last game file I sent was in 1350 BC. How about you guys?

Yep, 1350BC is what I got from Bob and sent it along.

I have the last turn. I can't find my C3C disk. I think my brother-in-law borrowed it. I'll try to get it back soon.

:lol: If your brother-in-law borrowed it, tell him that Myzenium said: "Ask the owner before you borrow, and if that's not possible, leave a note. That's being polite." It's cool that your brother-in-law likes C3C so much that he'd be willing to "borrow" it instead of buying his own. :lol:

I found it. My brother-in-law didn't borrow it.:blush: (Although I wouldn't have put it past him.) I guess I just didn't look hard enough. I'll be playing the turn soon.

Sorry guys. :( Hotmail seems to be down, so I can't check my e-mail for a while.

EDIT: Hotmail is now up! :)

I have the turn but my home internet is down due to a virus. I'll play and forward the turn soon as it's fixed.

Is hotmail back up? Has the virus on the computer been fixed? Are we ready to start playing this game again?

Hotmail was only down a few hours on April 28. I have been checking my e-mail every day.

I'm not sure how Killer A's computer is doing. :(

Ok, my guess is Killer_A has the game. I spoke to Bob and he doesn't have it. Just hoping this game isn't dead.

Sorry about the delay. See my email for more details.

I am going out of town Saturday afternoon and will be back Sunday evening. Times are east coast USA. Have a good weekend.

The last turn that I played was on June 13th, in 925 BC. It's time to ask that question again: Who has the game file? :)

the last save i got was 950BC on June 12 so i never got that save.

I would say that's weird, but I've already experienced the phenomenon when e-mail never comes, or comes a few days after it was sent. :rolleyes:

I've resent it.

ok, just got it

Guys, I am going on vacation. I will be gone from June 20-23 and from June 26-July 1. Sorry for the delay.

I just got back and the game wasn't in my inbox. Does anybody know where the game is?

I played 850 BC on June 18th, and sent it to CivAddict.

(As a routine, I would suggest that when a player has sent the game file, he either posts on this thread, or e-mails every player saying so. Then everyone can know sooner what's happened to the game file.

I don't know why so many PBEM players have an aversion to this idea. :( )

I have played that turn. I sent it to JBardsley. I'm going to send it to him again just in case he never got it.

Just played and sent. Sorry about the delay.

if you sent the game to me i never got it.

I just played and sent it.

Hi, just a reminder that I'm going on vacation today. I will be back on July 1 or 2. Sorry for the delay and see you when I get back.

I'm back! I didn't have the save in my inbox so I e-mailed civaddict to send me the 800BC and he said he never got it. He just figured I never sent the 825BC. Who has the save? I suggest that we all reply to the person that sends the game because we have not been having this problem until recently.

Welcome back.

The last turn that I played was 825 BC on June 24th.

I can agree to reply by e-mail when I receive the game file. So do you guys also think you can?

Yes, I can. So it looks like the 825BC may have never been received? I will send that turn again.

Actually, it's possible that Killer A's may need to resend. However, there's no harm in e-mailing to him. :)

I did resend to him already. Hope we get this moving again.

Received and sent.

DogBoy: I've been emailing you when I receive the file. Are you not getting my emails?

Sometimes yes, and sometimes no. Sometimes the game is in my inbox and I never got a reply from you. Very aggrevating! I don't want to pester you with saves, but I also don't want to hold the game up. I guess we can find a happy balance.

I'll try to post here too. My wife hates me playing this but I do usually check my email daily. And usually several times a day.

received and sent

The game is going well. Thanks for the dedicated players in this game.

Civ Addict: Have you received the turn? The last I heard Myzenium sent it to you. Maybe you weren't looking because I held up the game because computer got fryed.

Sorry, Killer. CivAddict e-mailed me, saying that DogBoy has a broken PC. If the grapevine is correct, DogBoy should be able to play sometime this week.

BTW, I'm expecting to upgrade my computer as soon as my local PC guru has enough spare time. :) AMD Athlon 64 3000+, K8N Neo Platinum, 512 MB DDR400. I may add another stick of 512 MB DDR400 this same year.

I will e-mail you guys immediately before the upgrades.

To all: I finally got my computer up and running. It had a problem that made the computer constantly reboot and there was nothing I could do. I had to wipe my hard drive and reinstall Windows XP. I am currently downloading all patches, drivers, and reinstalling all my programs. I should be able to play again real soon. Thanks for being patient.

I need Killer A's e-mail address as I lost all my .pst files.

CivAddict did not receive my file, saying "its not working". He suggested that I attach the file to this thread, so here it is.

Please reply when you have the file, CivAddict. I will delete it thereafter.

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i got the game

Okay, it's your turn, CivAddict.

EDIT: Deleted attachment. Some third party got our file, unless you downloaded it twice, CivAddict. Any confessors?

Here's MRf4, 460 AD.

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This is MRf4, 470 AD.

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Next is MRf4, 480 AD. (I have completed the Great Lighthouse. :) )

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It's MRf4, 490 AD.

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500 AD, and all's well.

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510 AD and I'm happy! (Not because I'm in 4th place, but because of RL events.)

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520 AD is here.

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Rolling to 530 AD.

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Let's drive to 540 AD.

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550 AD today, a smaller world tomorrow.

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Let the light of 560 AD shine upon us.

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If you build it, 570 AD will come.

EDIT: Deleted attachment. Hotmail now allows the transmission of .SAV files, so I doubt posting the PBEM file on this thread will again be necessary.

Hotmail is being a PITA again. Save file attached for 1020?

ditto for 1030

...and 1040

and the 1050 turn. Are you sure you didn't accidentally turn on a spam filter against my account?

Yeah, I'm sure. :(

I have a similar game going if u r interested just stop in here (http://noitazilivic.clicdev.com/f/index.php?showforum=36) to have a look no problems :)...

1060 turn. Nothing much happenin'

new turn. (I think!)

Yet another turn.

I don't think the hotmail connection is working 100% yet...