I'm working on a mod call "Empires of the East" which will start at the Post-Neolithic / Bronze Age and end at the Imperial Age (the first century of Qing Dynasty rule in China). I've found a lot of graphics for the units and improvements, but I'm still in need of the following:

Units
Hwarang
Sampan
Ming Two-handed Swordsman
Korean Horse Archer
Baochuan (Treasure Junk)
Ashigaru Musketeers
Mongol Light Cavalry

Improvements and Wonders
The Potala Palace
Daoist Temple
Buddhist Temple

Leaderheads
Qin Shi Huang Di (China)
King Sejong (Korea)
Genghis Khan (a more imposing one that actually looks Mongoloid ;) )

Most of this was already done and you can get it at CFC. Unfortunately the search function isn't working...
Treasure Junk was done by aaglo.
Ashigaru Musketeers - by Dom Pedro II.
Mongol light cavalry - 3 different units done by Kinboat
Hwarang is being made right now by DP.
Nice Daoist and Buddhist temple conversions from Emperor:RotK were posted by wangyushi in Graphic Modpacks.
For Quin Shi Huang Di, you could use Li Shi Min, aslo available. At least he fits better than Mao ;)

Hwarang are horse archers!

http://rki.kbs.co.kr/src/history/img/2-4hwarang.jpg

I'm actually working on a Sampan in addition to a Korean archer unit based on RoN's "Hwarang", and I may make horse archers as well.

I also have completed another cavalry unit as-yet unseen by the public that maybe you'd like for China.

:) :) :)

That's good that you make some nice Korean archer units! It says they have the best archers in the world until today.

Thanks. :)

By the way:
Originally posted by Aluminium
Hwarang are horse archers!

The "Hwarang" were a military elite in Korea ever since their formation (Although some debate that they may actually be an organization of gay men :confused: ). The "Horse Archer" is to represent the Korean mastery of archery and use of horse archer tactics while the "Hwarang" represent the elite military force.

Does the addition of the Hwrang mean no more Hwacha? I hated that unit. Now Korea gets a formidable UU.

Each nation generally has 4 UUs. :)

Here's a listing of the UUs I've decided so far:
Chinese
War Chariot
Zhuge-Nu
Ming Two-handed Swordsman
Baochuan

Japanese
Yamato Clan Horseman
Bushi
Samurai
Ashigaru Musketeer

Koreans
Hwarang
Korean Horse Archer
Hwach'a
Kobukson

Mongols
Mongol Light Cavalry
Mongol Heavy Cavalry
Turkic Auxilary
Keshik

:)
Hey, you know the exact asian unit names which I searched for my personal mod! Is Kobukson the real korean name for Turtle Ship?

Perhaps you can help me. I need names for following asian units (Chinese/Japanese/Korean/Mongol):

Archer
Warrior
Spearman
Stone Crossbow Man
Catapult
Pikeman
Japanese Longbowman
Japanese Horse Archer (Yabusame?)
Chinese Rider
War Monk
Arquebusier
Fire Cannon
Musketman
Dragoon / Mounted Infantry
WWI/II Infantry

PS: A good name for the Turkic Auxiliary is Akinci (raider). The feared Ottoman light cavalry.

Yes, Kobukson is the Korean name for the famed "Turtle Ship." :)

The name for the Japanese "Warrior Monk" is the Sohei, who were Buddhist monks that took up arms (and eventually became some of the fiercest warriors, very unlike a Buddhist monk) in response to attacks on their temple. The Sohei wielded a polearm called the Naginata (a Japanese version of the halberd and a weapon somewhat similar to the Chinese Guan-dao), which was originally used by the Bushi.

"Zhuge-Nu" is the Chinese Mandarin Pinyin spelling of "Chu-ko-nu" (which is the Wade-Giles spelling).

I'm don't know the actual names for all of those that you've listed, but I do know a few of the names of the weapons that they've wielded.

The name "Bushi" refers to the warrior elite in old Japanese society. Contrary to Western belief, "Samurai" was not the name for the entire warrior class. The "Samurai" were only a fraction of the "Bushi" class. The Japanese archer wieleded a bamboo bow called the "Yumi," which was the standard bow on the battlefield. The "Yari" spear, a very long spear, was a commonly used weapon among foot soldiers. Thus you could simply name your Japanese units the "Yumi Bushi" and "Yari Bushi."

If you're looking for the Chinese names of certain units, then it seems wangyushi should be the one to ask. :)

Originally posted by Ogedei_the_Mad

The name "Bushi" refers to the warrior elite in old Japanese society. Contrary to Western belief, "Samurai" was not the name for the entire warrior class. The "Samurai" were only a fraction of the "Bushi" class. The Japanese archer wieleded a bamboo bow called the "Yumi," which was the standard bow on the battlefield. The "Yari" spear, a very long spear, was a commonly used weapon among foot soldiers. Thus you could simply name your Japanese units the "Yumi Bushi" and "Yari Bushi."

To begin with, these issues are still being debated among the world's authorities on japanese history. Therefore, is is a good thing not to sound too sure of one self..

As to the Bushi, it seems that everyone having fighting as their profession were Bushi by definition.. that applied to Samurai, Ashigaru and even Ronin who didn't belong to any class but were still Bushi.
Bushi was not a class in the true sense of the word.. but rather a kind of "worthy profession". If you're talking about class you have the Kuge, Buke, Eta and so on.
All this is complicated and a bit hard for westerners to really understand right away, I can't say I have it all under control yet either,and probably never will, since we are not entirely sure on how certain things actually worked..

Translating this into CivIII and not making it to complicated means, basically, that:
You cant really have both Samurai and Bushi as units, since the Samurai were Bushi by definition.
My suggestion is to leave out the Bushi term and have units called Samurai, Ashigaru, and so on..

Another thing to consider is: should you mix english terms like Horse Archer with japanese terms like Ashigaru? I would go for either one, but having japanese names for the units makes it very difficult.
To call units "Yari Bushi" and "Yumi Bushi" is a bit to simplified, since both Yari and Yumi were used extensively both on foot and mounted, and by both Samurai and Ashigaru.. so then you'll have to come up with a name for Horse Archer as well. :crazyeye:

To name units after the weapons they used only makes things more complicated.. but the alternatives are not that good either.
My conclusion is that you cant get away without some mixing of english and japanese (and lets be honest.. who cares, except for hardcore jap history fans like me?)

If I was to mke a scenario about this, I would probably go for this combo:
Samurai
Mounted Samurai
Ashigaru
Arquebusiers

This is just my two cents and I dont pretend to know everything on this subject... but I have infact been pondering the unit names for the Japanese for a long time.

Superunknown

True. But according to some sources, the "Bushi" were the warrior class, though "Bushi" is a very broad term. It's not agreed which is which by scholars, but some agree that they were the warrior class. "Bushi" is "warrior," so there could have been translation issues when scholars were studying the history of Japan.

The warrior class emerged in the late 9th Century, thus I have them appear before the "Samurai."

That's good that you make some nice Korean archer units! It says they have the best archers in the world until today.
not "until", but "even to".. look at olympics :D

and on top of that, they used composite bows, which we know kick longbow ass, which we know kick simple bow ass :D

Thank you! That helps me already a little. I think I make it like Ogedei it say: weapon+warrior. In the German language we make it exactly so.


@KoRnEa

1. I was wondering every time why there were masses of Koreans in the olympic bow competition :lol:.

2. Therefore I can't use this PTW Mounted Archer as Knight replacement for Korea :( .