Hey guys, for those that wanted a Quebecois civ, I just finished the great Quebecois =) I even added a bonus government. Here's a quick rundown :

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New Civilization - Quebecois
Names - Quebecois, Prime Minister René Lévesque
Leaders
Cities
Bonuses/Tech - Commercial and Scientific/Alphabet and Bronze Working
Favorite Govt - Socialist Democracy (see below)
Shunned Govt - Republic (Don't ask me why =)
Color - Blue (Germany is now Dark Green)

Unique Unit - Patriote (removed Jaguar Warrior)
Note: items in () are the stats of the unit it replaces.
Prereq: Nationalism
Replaces: Rifleman
Cost: 5(8)
Move: 1(1) - All Terrain as Road
Attack: 5(4)
Defense: 5(6)
Upgrade to: Infantry(Infantry)
Offensive and Defensive(Defensive)

New Government - Socialist Democracy
Prerequisite Nationalism
Draft Rate 2
Unit Support
per town 1
per city 2
per metropolis 3
Cost Unit 2
Assimilation Chance 6%
Immune to Initiate Propaganda
Rest is about the same as Democracy.

Civilopedia Changes :
Most of the entries are changed/added. The Quebecois description still needs to be done, as well as the Socialist Democracy government description, but the rest(game effects) is all done and changed.

Quebecois uses the Abe Lincoln face for now(and animated Montezuma face, but I can't change it), when I'll have LOTS of time on my hand, I'll try to change it to Rene Levesque.

Icons for the Patriote is still the Rifleman's one(which is strinkingly similar, only missing the renonwn Patriote tuque/hat). It will change when I'll have some free time on my hand. I want to play now!
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So here it is, have fun and be sure to read the 'README-Quebecois.txt' file in the .zip before installing the mod!

Feel free to mail me any criticism(my contact info is in the readme).

A Quick note not in the readme... why is the Patriot so powerful?(cost WAY less, move as a road and attack +1) Well, simple. The -1 in defense is a LOT crippling, because in early industrial age, you usually have to face Cavalry with attack 6. Since you can't build normal riflemen, just patriots, you have a weaker defense. But, the offensive and guerilla capabilities of the Patriots, should make it about even. So, the lower cost is the UU bonus. I think it balances out nicely... but maybe the -1 def will be more crippling than I thought. We'll see.

Now I get to crush French Canadians! My dream come true.

I know what you mean. Now Canada is going to pound the separatists into submission!

no you wont kick Québecois asses, its them who will kick yours!
Oh and by the way we'll be free one of these day.... hahaha!!!

The only thing missing, is a good map of Canada, and a scenario of Québec getting independant.

Actually, am I the only one Québécois/Canadian who DOESN'T want to see that ?

You're not alone, I don't care much about scenarios anyway, I much prefer playing a normal game, hehe. So if someones going to do a scen about that, well, go ahead, feel free ot use my mod for it.

It's a scenario that i want to build. But for now i will finish my first game, and then when i will have some time(so by christmas) i will be able to work on it

I'm playing the quebecois, as soon as I try to build a patriote, the game crashes (in win2000)

Anyone else has this bug?

Wilgar

sorry for what is probably a moronic question...

but how did you do this? I keep reading about how civ3 allows amazing customization [like this quebecois civilization], but cannot for the life of me figure out where it is and how to access it.

Merci, d'avance... vive le quebec!

Nice mod... BTW, I'm the other french-canadian who doesn't wants Quebec to separate from Canada. Anyway, I was just wondering if there's a way you could change your mod so you could use the Quebec civ in all the new games (without having to load the map). I d\l an other mod which added the Dutch civ in all games... I'm asking because I wanted to play the quebecers on a Earth Map, so they could rule the world! (Yeah right!)
Anyway, thx for a nice mod, hope you'll be answering...

I must say! That is a pretty good idea! Let's kick some canadian butts!!!

Now that's great.

I'm not a fan of mod and stuff but THAT is a great idea. Not to kick canadian butt (sure would be nice :p ) but just to see in game what I see now just in dream : Québec finally recognize as a nation...

And yes, one day our time will come.

Un jour nous vaincrons!

This isn't the place for this debate, and I probably should start it.

For all you québecois, what makes independence (sovereignty, if you prefer) so attractive?

Obviously I have my own opinions on this, but I'm curious.]

Well, you are right, this is not the place so I'll be short and tell you only one of the reason why I'm in favor for a sovereign Québec.

Because it's a Civilization forum, I got the perfect example. When you capture city, what happen with the time that passes? These cities population are assimilated. That is what is happening as we are speaking. As time passes, we are loosing our language, culture, etc and I don't want this to happen cause this is our nation identity. You can say anything you want, the Québécois are a distict people and a nation without a country, This is a fact and I don't think you can do something against it.

And I don't hate english people ;)

For the canadian people, it is difficult to inderstand cause for them, the "bataille des plaines d'Abraham" was a victory... For us, it was a defeat...

There is so much to be said here so I'l think I'll stop now.

PS : Sorry for my english, I'm a Quebeckers ;)

Good points. I wont debate here, but I would only add that culture is never lost if people work to preserve it.

You cannot "force" culture. (It's not like English people and Allophones will leave Quebec necessarily).

BTW, my mother's family is from Quebec and I attended a francophone school in northern Ontario from age 5 to high school. I learned a great deal about the "French side" of Canadian culture and have retained much of it...even living in Alberta today.

My biggest fear for sovereign Quebec is the tax-money grab that I think is the real motivation for politicians like Duceppe and Landry (not the people necessarily).

There is a Quebec nationhood and mindset, I would not argue that.

with time we forget, that is why I spoke of that assimilation thing...

How many pure francophone still left in Louisiana ? Not so many I think... There is still small community, but with time, those will probably disapear

Anyway, let's end this thing here before that thread is close... but if you want to continue, email me : lazzycake@hotmail.com

I love exchanging peacefully political opinion with people so don't be shy!

As a minus to social democracy, their should be a drop in happy citizens. The way I rationalize this, is because the really rich do not get to keep as much of their money (not saying thats a bad thing), and therefore have less luxuries. This would be good for game balance, and would be more realistic. (Why do you think the rich people, especially in Canada and the States are so against social democracy)

Sorry to say this, but Quebec sucks. And so do I. I am an ignorant little yokel from Alberta who will be sent on vacation from this board if I repeat such a bigoted statement.

Speak english or die! But only if you're pea brained like me and can't handle more than one language!

Consider yourself warned.

Originally posted by Internazi
Sorry to say this, but Quebec sucks.

Speak english or die!

Wow I can see why there are so many stereotypes against us people from Alberta being so ingorant, when you've got yokels like this saying stuff.

Go here,

http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=sarcasm

And here

http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=joke

Thank you for your time.

And I'm not an actual nazi, nor do I share their political beleifs, if you'd like to know.

well...well.. i was wodnering if someone was gonna do this mod one day after seeing the Canada one..

Et oui, un jour nous alon avoir notre reve.....

but till then,we got civ 3!

i didnt download it yet for i make my own mod and stuff... but its a nice one, even if a bit basic.... should add some things.. maybe rename newton university to McGill university :)

or somehow incorporate the Stade olympique or such..
but overall a nice start i beleive.


yeah...canadien ppl cannot understand the battle that is wage here....

Long Vie a Montcalm!

Boooooooooooooa Wolf

the example given erlier by someone using the game is a quite good one...... someone else said it wont go away if they try to perserve it....well... look at native ppl inside reserve.... how much is left of them... not much

Zackarie Richard... one of the last french from lousiana.... its something from old age to speak french there.. only the old ppl do.... the youngs only know english..

Now, I wasn't going to post anything here, but after seeing some of the pro-seperatist rhetoric being spouted, I felt it necessary.

Not only are the Quebecois NOT a distinct culture (If anything, they are a sub-culture of France, just as the rest of Canada qualifies as being a sub-culture of Britain) they hardly should be considered a culture at all. They have some aspects of French culture, some of British, but the vast majority are American/Canadian (there really is very little distinction, whether or not you want to admit it). The vast majority of Quebecois that I've met (and I was posted there for three years) couldn't give a damn about seperation, the seperatists or anything to do with the argument. In fact, even they consider the seperatists to just be a bunch of whiners with 'grass is always greener' syndrome.

Of course, this is not inclusive of the Bluets in Northern Quebec, who really have no grasp on reality whatsoever and still consider themselves part of France. (Of course, most real French people I've ever met want nothing whatsoever to do with the Quebecois, and in fact can't stand them. Not only do they speak archaic french, but they find them to be arrogant and rude. Which, coming from the French, is quite an insult.)

Now, don't get me wrong...I love Quebec. Its beautiful, especially Montreal. Je l'aime. And even northern Quebec is beautiful in the summer (Damn cold in the winter) But the seperatists are a bunch of whiners who just want something to complain about. Personally, I'd much prefer we just gave them Northern Quebec (the Southern part really has no interest in seperating, as referendum after referendum shows), their part of the Canadian debt, and set them adrift. Lesse how well they do without the rest of us.

J'suis Canadien, et je le suis fier!

(From Salt Lake) 5-2 Canada. Better luck next time *ROTFL*

My dear Harpoonz, maybe you sould not talk about Quebec because you sure like a retarded who dosent knows anything about politics. Most of the non-separatist arguement you told us were completly stupid, I don't know who told you these, probably a guy who have no education from your sweet British Columbia.

You say we're not a distinct culture?
just the fact that we speak french makes us a different nation, we don't have a french culture because we were too isolated from France so we developed our own culture, Quebec's culture. Have you ever drank a pine beer my friend?

you said that most Quebecois don't care about separation?

Maybe you're not really good in math because the percetage of people who would like to get separated currently is from 40% to 45%. Even when it's at 40%, it's our higher score outside political crisis.


You told that "bluets"(Saguenay's citizens) still consider
themselve as a part of France?

Sorry man but you're really stupid to think so, you're either retarded or really young.... It's not because they're separatist that they want to be a part a France, we want our OWN country!



You told that we speak an archaic french?

We don't have the same accent as people from France, but if you really tought what you told: french accent from Quebec isnt the same as accent from France so it's an archaic languague--this could also works for your english = english accent is different in British-Coulumbia than it is in England, so British-Columbia language is an archaic language



You told we were arrogant and rude??

You make us sound like a bunch of barbarians, do you know that Quebec's students are the best in the whole country? 40% of Quebecois speaks both french and english pretty well, compared to 8% in other province. Well you will answer me that french isnt too usefull, what about spanish then? There's 8X more people here who talk spanish than in other province. Here in Quebec we need 60% to pass exams at school, in Ontario they need 50%.



You told that northern Quebec was separatist and not the south?

Well you don't seems like someone who's good in geography, I dont know much about you but you're either young or you don't have a good education because...
I dont know what is your northern Quebec, but people who live in northern Quebec are natives, and natives are against separation.
Southern Quebec is not completly anti-separatist, lets just say that its (60%no-40%yes) in montreal, because of the West part of Montreal. But in Quebec city, it must be around(70%yes-30%no).

And your final sentence, just like the rest of your text, was stupid: Lets see how well they do without the rest of us.
It will be US that will see how much YOU DO without US because, every year, we send to the federal governement 28 billions $, he keep 23 billions $ of it and send us 5 billions $. So do the math my friend, this means we'll have 23 billions $ more and you'll have 23 billions $ less. I hope those numbers helps you to understand why federal government want us to stay in Canada.

By the way I have nothing against you or non-separatist people, because I know that people from other province are brainwashed by the politicians and economists about this subject. People who have a simple mind and people who don't know many things about politics believe and follow them like sheeps!

One day, we'll be free!

To think that separatism will solve any of the issues that exist in Quebec demonstrates a lack of understanding of the issues themselves.

First of all, the "billions" that you think you are losing do not reflect the federal programs that benefit Quebec (and all provinces) that Quebec would have to pay for itself under separatism (the military, the maintaining of foreign embassies, the mint are just some examples of these). You are way, way off here.

Second, Quebec is not being screwed over to the benefit of other provinces. Talk to people in Alberta if you want to clarify that (their points aren't valid, either, but they'll try to convince you nonetheless).

Quebec is no longer a "French" province. You are failing to acknowledge the wonderful diversity the province has embraced over the past 50 years. More shamefully, you are failing to recognize the many French Canadians who have made their homes throughout Canada.

You cannot vote on culture. You cannot force culture. Quebec does a wonderful job of supporting its artists (moreso than any other province). How will separation change that?

You are romanticising the notion. It's understandable, but misguided.

Quebec enjoys some unique benefits under the current system, inlcuding a fail-safe reason for deflecting all criticism. Let's see how Duceppe fairs when he cannot blame the federal government for all the evils in society. (by the way, they do that in Alberta too).

Everything you say about the language, etc. are true. But not relevant to the issue of what would best benefit Quebecers.

My mother's family goes as far back in Quebec history as it has history (and yes they are very, very francophone). So please do not tell me I don't understand.

Quebec has near exclusive control over education.
Over medical services.
Over most legal affairs.
Over local taxation.

If there are problems in the province, I think you should look inward. Hold your provincial government accountable instead of using the federal government as a crutch.

Peace

Speaking as someone from the United States, I am hoping that Quebec never breaks away from Canada. Not that I have anything against the people of Quebec. I actually have no opinion about the people of Quebec, mainly because I've never met any Quebecois (did I spell that right?), nor have I ever been to Canada (let alone Quebec).

My fear of Quebec breaking away from the rest of Canada is that it will cause a very unstable situation to develop to our north. If Quebec leaves the union, Canada will be split into two non-contiguous pieces, with a potentially hostile (or perhaps just non-cooperative) nation separating the pieces. The only other similar situation from history that comes to mind, Pakistan and India in 1947, came to a bad end (East Pakistan revolted and is now Bangladesh). I might be wrong, it's happened a lot, but it's my belief that Canada would not long survive as a nation if Quebec became independent. Frankly, I don't see how the Atlantic provinces could be effectively administered from Ottowa if that happened.

Hi everyone.

Just for arguments sake, I'm 30+, was posted to Quebec for 3 years (during the last referendum, so yes, I do know a bit about what I'm talking about) University educated and apparently (according to IQ tests I did in High School) have an IQ in the mid-140's. (and my major was physics, so yes, I'm not bad at math either).

And I do apologize for saying that the Quebecois are rude. Again, this is what the french soldiers we were posted with thought...I found the Quebecois people, especially Montrealers, to be incredibly friendly, and recommend to everyone to visit Montreal as a result.

So, I have nothing against the Quebecois, or Quebec, other than I'm just (with the rest of Canada) sick of listening to thier politicians posture and whine.

As for Northern and Southern Quebec, I'd guess we draw different lines in the sand...I would classify Quebec City as being in Northern Quebec, and yes, it is decidely pro-seperatist. I would define Southern Quebec as being along the St. Lawrence, (including Montreal) and South thereof, with the the regions in between drawing a rough median to the two extremes. Of course, true Northern Quebec is native, as is the northern part of all but the Atlantic provinces.

Wishing you all the best...

Enough off-topic debate guys. Si le va continuer, grand mauvais moderator va piquer un colier :p

Damn...out of French class for a month and I can't spell 'throw a fit' anymore :eek:

Well, I invite those who are interested about the political issue in Québec to discuss about it into the history forum or, in mine at http://pub23.ezboard.com/bavenirquebec . Cause hi-jacking a mod thread for a political debate is not a good thing I guess! ;)

I'm a Québécois, "separatist" and usually speaks French. I would like to clarify some points, especially with the outsiders.

First of all, it is pejorative to call us separatists. It is clearly specified into our plans that would like a partnership or a new confederation basis with the ROC(rest of Canada). We are rather sovereignists and we simply want to be free and respected as a distinct nation.

It is clear that we are a different nation of the ROC. What can be more funny to ear Westeners saying to us, in English, that we are all the same. If so, SAY IT IN FRENCH. Then I'll probably evaluate the possibility that your english-right-wing-and-conservative society is the same as our french-left-wing-and-socialist one. doh!

Since april 1st, 1982, the ROC can change the constitution (the rules) of this country as they wish, without our approbation. It means that the English part can set the rules that also apply to us. Even if we have different civil laws. It is completly unacceptable for us. We must have a say to the constitution, otherwise, it means we are not welcome into Canada.

To the funny one that compared us to Banglasdesh, I won't waste too much time. Just visite us sometime and you will see how far from the truth you were. Our society is VERY peaceful and progressist.

I hope to see Québec getting its sovereignty in a nearby future and why not, the birth of a REAL confederation between Québec and the ROC based on the European model. In respect of each other's sovereignty. But if you ask me to choose between full independence and the status quo making the English part haveing full control on the constitution, I choose separation big time!

Originally posted by Benz
Well, I invite those who are interested about the political issue in Québec to discuss about it into the history forum or, in mine at http://pub23.ezboard.com/bavenirquebec . Cause hi-jacking a mod thread for a political debate is not a good thing I guess! ;)

I'm a Québécois, "separatist" and usually speaks French. I would like to clarify some points, especially with the outsiders.

First of all, it is pejorative to call us separatists. It is clearly specified into our plans that would like a partnership or a new confederation basis with the ROC(rest of Canada). We are rather sovereignists and we simply want to be free and respected as a distinct nation.

It is clear that we are a different nation of the ROC. What can be more funny to ear Westeners saying to us, in English, that we are all the same. If so, SAY IT IN FRENCH. Then I'll probably evaluate the possibility that your english-right-wing-and-conservative society is the same as our french-left-wing-and-socialist one. doh!

Since april 1st, 1982, the ROC can change the constitution (the rules) of this country as they wish, without our approbation. It means that the English part can set the rules that also apply to us. Even if we have different civil laws. It is completly unacceptable for us. We must have a say to the constitution, otherwise, it means we are not welcome into Canada.

To the funny one that compared us to Banglasdesh, I won't waste too much time. Just visite us sometime and you will see how far from the truth you were. Our society is VERY peaceful and progressist.

I hope to see Québec getting its sovereignty in a nearby future and why not, the birth of a REAL confederation between Québec and the ROC based on the European model. In respect of each other's sovereignty. But if you ask me to choose between full independence and the status quo making the English part haveing full control on the constitution, I choose separation big time!

Go here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18873) for my reply.

The mod looks cool.

The one thing I would change, however, is the immunity to Propaganda. If Québec ever does separate (highly unlikey IMO), it would be the result of a referendum that would certainly see many "NON" votes. Regionally, particularly in those regions close to the Canadian and American borders, there would be constituancies that voted almost entirely "NON". I think the mod would be much more realistic, if perhaps much less satisfying to a die-hard separatist, if there were a good chance of border cities submitting to propaganda from Les Blokes! Let's face it, M. Lévèsque (An excellent choice for leader, by the way. Even as a Federalist Anglo-Canadian, I've always admired Lévèsque - a man of honour and conviction. Benedict Bouchard, on the other hand was always just a self-serving grandstander) would have to work very hard to placate these regions and stave off wide-spread disorder.

Anyway, I'm glad a Québec mod was created.

My Civilization III includes Québec! :-)

Oops sorry mod posted before i got to your post.


Re Internazi

If that was a joke it was in incredibly bad taste and just reflects a lack of sensitivity. Having been to quebec several times I can certainly say that when it comes to culture it ranks far ahead of much of Canada and is quite a pleasant place. It is unfortuante that some of the French culture is disappearing although I'm not sure that it has as much to do with pressure from the rest of Canada as it does perhaps to the influence of the US which regrettably inundates all of Canada with its culture (or lack thereof).

let's just say we might finally be free of liberal tyranny?

Vivre le Québec libre!
De chacun ses abilités, à chacun ses besoins!
Muwahahahaha!

Smaller contry= Smaller population= more easy to start new movements and convince the population that we must end this tyranny! :king:


Well, it's fun to know i'll be able to crush the evil canadians, raze the US and nuke russia with the glorious québecois armies!!! Right, so we have no armies, and no nukes... we still have FIRE!!! These civs work with v1.00 right?

Vraiment, j'ai aucune pq il y a autant de stériotype au sujet du québec .. bof faut les comprendre il ne comprenne pas un strict mots en français et se force meme pas pour essayer de le comprendre ..

Entk .. moi je demande juste que le reste du pays se force pour comprendre le français sans nessairement le parler et tous le monde se comprendrais mieux

Sanmilie

My dear Harpoonz, maybe you sould not talk about Quebec because you sure like a retarded who dosent knows anything about politics. Most of the non-separatist arguement you told us were completly stupid, I don't know who told you these, probably a guy who have no education from your sweet British Columbia.

You say we're not a distinct culture?
just the fact that we speak french makes us a different nation, we don't have a french culture because we were too isolated from France so we developed our own culture, Quebec's culture. Have you ever drank a pine beer my friend?

you said that most Quebecois don't care about separation?

Maybe you're not really good in math because the percetage of people who would like to get separated currently is from 40% to 45%. Even when it's at 40%, it's our higher score outside political crisis.


You told that "bluets"(Saguenay's citizens) still consider
themselve as a part of France?

Sorry man but you're really stupid to think so, you're either retarded or really young.... It's not because they're separatist that they want to be a part a France, we want our OWN country!



You told that we speak an archaic french?

We don't have the same accent as people from France, but if you really tought what you told: french accent from Quebec isnt the same as accent from France so it's an archaic languague--this could also works for your english = english accent is different in British-Coulumbia than it is in England, so British-Columbia language is an archaic language



You told we were arrogant and rude??

You make us sound like a bunch of barbarians, do you know that Quebec's students are the best in the whole country? 40% of Quebecois speaks both french and english pretty well, compared to 8% in other province. Well you will answer me that french isnt too usefull, what about spanish then? There's 8X more people here who talk spanish than in other province. Here in Quebec we need 60% to pass exams at school, in Ontario they need 50%.



You told that northern Quebec was separatist and not the south?

Well you don't seems like someone who's good in geography, I dont know much about you but you're either young or you don't have a good education because...
I dont know what is your northern Quebec, but people who live in northern Quebec are natives, and natives are against separation.
Southern Quebec is not completly anti-separatist, lets just say that its (60%no-40%yes) in montreal, because of the West part of Montreal. But in Quebec city, it must be around(70%yes-30%no).

And your final sentence, just like the rest of your text, was stupid: Lets see how well they do without the rest of us.
It will be US that will see how much YOU DO without US because, every year, we send to the federal governement 28 billions $, he keep 23 billions $ of it and send us 5 billions $. So do the math my friend, this means we'll have 23 billions $ more and you'll have 23 billions $ less. I hope those numbers helps you to understand why federal government want us to stay in Canada.

By the way I have nothing against you or non-separatist people, because I know that people from other province are brainwashed by the politicians and economists about this subject. People who have a simple mind and people who don't know many things about politics believe and follow them like sheeps!

One day, we'll be free!
Wow c'etais profond et vrai... merci de la part des quebecois, une reponse comme ca ca bouche un coin a nos copain de l'ouest.

Vraiment, j'ai aucune pq il y a autant de stériotype au sujet du québec .. bof faut les comprendre il ne comprenne pas un strict mots en français et se force meme pas pour essayer de le comprendre ..

Entk .. moi je demande juste que le reste du pays se force pour comprendre le français sans nessairement le parler et tous le monde se comprendrais mieux

Sanmilie
C'est plus le fait qu'on donne du cash au anglais qu'on ne retouche presque ou pas... pis ils ne respectent pas le fais qu'on veut garder notre langue sous pretexte que l'anglais est plus "universelle" ou mieux adapter aux américains.

Anyway, this is a english board, so gardez le français pour les messages privés ;)

Keep the politics for the right sub-forum and ignore the trolls. You can never win by answers with them.

QUEBEC WE LOVE YOU, but everyonce in a while you've got to slap your complaining little brother

I just want to say that it hurts me to see that people want to seperate. I am a 13 Generation Canadian. My founding father is Guilluame Couture. There is a statue of him in Quebec. You can see him on Canadian government websites.

What hurts me the most is that our Canadian culture is changing so much. I don't even feel like I live in Canada anymore. Quebec is doing the right thing by trying to preserve it, its culture as in Canadian culture.

Quebec has balls thats all i really got to say, I just wish our government had balls... and also built our damn military.

(Heres something that bugs me that i gotta say: Yes im French background and French is my first language, but im Canadian. So stop calling me frenchy/french. Just because you speak english i don't call you Britty/English or whatever. Your Canadian just the same. Pluss i bet your just 5th generation if your lucky.) Respect Canada's history.

If you move to our country adapt to our country you got no choice.

I don't like how pretty much anyone can move into your Country. For example look how bad England is now with all the foriegners that moved there. You got 2nd generation 'sleepers' in england who you grow up with. You think they're friends but the next thing you know they try to bomb your ass.

Its not good that anyone can move in your country bring their religion and have all the freedom. If we go to their country (depending where) and do the same thing we would be infidels. We wouldn't have the same freedom. Quebec said forget THAT if you come here you adapt. Thats what Canada needs to do in general.

I dont want Quebec to seperate its part of Canada, besides they were called Canadiens first.

By the way the american government is also behind Quebec sepertism, they want the St. Lawrence river. So in the End if Quebec did split they would be screwed and then they wouldnt have anything. Better off staying put.

By the way Alberta wanted to seperate they also have a political party for it. British Columbia and Washington State wanted to form a country together.
My point is when you think of sepertism dont think Quebec right away.

(The world is changing fast in the white mans eyes. We are now the minority in our western nations. It's not a big deal, it's just a big deal when those new comers don't adapt and your neighbourhood is suddenly in a whole different language n culture.. PLEASE JUST RESPECT OUR COUNTRY AND ADAPT.) Seriously, i get attacked all the time with racial slurs from immagrants. like WTF!

Not to long ago asian gangs in Vancouver city attacked 3 young white teens and killed one. Whats going on here? Im not rascist at all just heart broken over my country. ransacked everyday.

I wanted to say one more thing, Canada has now 3 official languages and converted the official religion. Can you guess what the 3rd language is and the new religion?

lets get back to our roots. :jesus:

Goodnight.

Origin of the name Canada (http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/cpsc-ccsp/sc-cs/o5_e.cfm)

""kanata" was simply the Huron-Iroquois word for "village" or "settlement." But for want of another name, Cartier used "Canada" to refer not only to Stadacona (the site of present day Quebec City)"

Canada is Quebec so why seperate it really makes no sense to me.

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