I downloaded Firebird. I changed the skin from "Modern" to "Breeze". And what happens? Firebird kills my computer, nearly freezes it. I checked out the Windows Task Manager and was shocked to see this:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/firebirddraining.JPG

Does Firebird not handle skins well? Because I had to change it to the ugly "Modern" skin so it would not kill my computer.

I have the same problem, except mine is with "explorer.exe" gobbling up all my RAM. I do not know the answer to your problem, all I know is that the regular Mozilla works fine for me, and I am having issues with "explorer.exe". I just shut it down, and restart it, without restarting the computer. Odd the way that that works.

F-I-R-E-F-O-X:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads6/plxgetfirefox1.gif

Running the iCandyJunior skin, two tabs and several plugins.

S-A-F-A-R-I :p

FireFox uses twice as much memory as any other program running, but not very much of the processor time. I don't use a skin though...

I had a similar problem when I used an extension for IE that allowed me to change skins. My solution was to not use it.

Originally posted by Plexus
F-I-R-E-F-O-X:



Firebird is the (IIRC) .7 version, Firefox is the latest version.

Originally posted by GrandAdmiral
I had a similar problem when I used an extension for IE that allowed me to change skins. My solution was to not use it.

Firefox doesn't need a different program to change the skin, the program can AFAIK do it by itself.

Yes I know thats why I said it was a similar problem. I thought it was interesting that both programs had the same problem because I assumed the reason it happened in IE was because it was a poor extension. Then it happens in a browser with built in skin ability. So as a temporary fix you can go without skins in either case.

I don't think the Firefox skinless is really that bad, compared to actually any other browser, the outlook is really neat. :cooool:

Compared to Firebird, Opera graphics are really ugly, and I used to think they were good. It beats IE as well...

Yeah. Well I do think that the Opera original skin was ugly. Now I use the Minimalist-Flat (http://my.opera.com/community/customize/skins/index.pl?search=Minimalist-Flat) skin. But that doesn't suck up my CPU, at least...

Just use Opera!

Originally posted by Archer 007
Just use Opera!

I do use Opera, I was just giving Firebird a spin and found to my digust how much resources it was taking - it was freezing up my computer.

Originally posted by IglooDude


Firebird is the (IIRC) .7 version, Firefox is the latest version.

But version 0.8 of the Pheonix/Firebird/Firefox browser is streamlined and has more features. :p

The full version of Mozilla is much worse...

Mozilla and all mozilla-based browsers do take up a lot of CPU power, actually, all browsers do, especially at startup, MSIE isn't as noticable though because it's always running behind windows, though you don't see it, chances are, it's there.

Use Netscape, everything works.

Originally posted by funxus
Compared to Firebird, Opera graphics are really ugly, and I used to think they were good. It beats IE as well...

Firefox looks horrible compared to Opera.

I don't like Opera, pages look different, etc. There are some things that it can't show without screwing up.
Netscape does perfect for me. Explorer is awful in terms of security, virus, pop-upsm downloads and java; so it can't do anything right.

Originally posted by Archer 007


Firefox looks horrible compared to Opera.

A matter of taste. I happen to think that Opera 7 is pretty ugly. But to each his own.

sebanaj: Firefox is essentially the latest version of netscape, you know, only streamlined and generally better.

@Archer- Jeeze, if you think Opera looks better than Firefox, maybe you should try Firefox again, or at least Firefox skins. And with Opera, you have that big, ugly banner.

Latest version of Netscape? Streamlined? What do you mean?

Firefox:

Originally posted by Plexus
@Archer- Jeeze, if you think Opera looks better than Firefox, maybe you should try Firefox again, or at least Firefox skins. And with Opera, you have that big, ugly banner.

Which Opera skin did you use?

Originally posted by Archer 007
Firefox:


Woah... you have your start menu on the top of your screen?

Sorry, just somehting I noticed...

Yeah, IMO it doesn't look all that grea,t I prefer the Modern Mozilla skin.

Originally posted by FireBall
Woah... you have your start menu on the top of your screen?
It's easy to fix. Just drag it from the bottom and drop it. In XP I think you might have to unlock it first. Archer maybe doesn't, but I also like to keep an addressbar at the bottom of the screen. If you hide them both automatically and check Always on top, your programs will always have the whole screen to themselves as well. These adjustments are simple but really neat.:)

Note that the different looks on CFC in Archer's pic has nothing to do with his Firefox skin, but with his skin on CFC.

I know how to do it... It's just weird, for me, I've always had my Start Manu and Taskbar at the bottom of my screen.

Sure, the programs may have a few hundred pixels less, but I really dont find it that good, also, I like being able to always see my start menu, makes it easier to navigate through countless windows when even Alt-Tab doesn't do the trick anymore.

@ Archer - Nice to see that someone else has their taskbar at the top of the screen!!!

Originally posted by sebanaj
Latest version of Netscape? Streamlined? What do you mean?

Netscape found themselves losing the browser wars horribly in the late 90s. So they opened their source code for the whole world to improve -- this was actually the genesis of the open source movement, as opposed to the free software movement from which it sprang.

The result of that was the mozilla project. Mozilla is open-source netscape. It took them a while to regear, but a few years later mozilla was a great browser. Netscape versions 6 and 7 are actually just snapshots of mozilla, with some fancier art and a couple of AOL "features" tossed in.

the problem with mozilla is that it's bloated -- big, with tons of features, and somewhat slow. Firefox is a version of mozilla that just does browsing -- not email, not im, not irc. It's a streamlined, sleek, fast subset of Mozilla. However, you can add extensions that let you add nearly any feature you can imagine -- and only the features you want. So things like mouse gestures and "click-to-start" flash animation.

So, firefox is essentially a streamlined version of the most recent edition of the netscape engine. I don't believe that AOL intends to release any more netscape-branded browsers -- but that doesn't matter, because the mozilla project is still updating it.

Originally posted by Archer 007


Which Opera skin did you use?

Green standard. But to be fair, you weren't using a skin for Firefox either. :p

I use firefox, and trust me, it's definately worth it.

Also, my Firefox (no skins, Windows XP) looks much better than Archer's.