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Hi, this is the thread for the new PBEM game I plan on starting.

It is for Conquests, using the MP version of the WWII Pacific scenario and the patch 1.20.
So you need to have both Conquests and the patch 1.20 (not 1.15b or 1.22) installed on your computer.

Civs have been attributed randomly

China - ChrisiusMaximus
Commonwealth - EliitMees
Japan - Loulong
Netherlands - Eric_A
USA - Steph


Players : 5

1. Loulong
2. Steph
3. EliitMees
4. Eric_A
5. ChrisiusMaximus


You want to be in ? You have further questions ? Post in this thread or send me a PM. If ready to joi, send me a PM with your e-mail.

Organization : the game will be called Kamikaze (KK) to be recognizable and when you get the game, send a mail to inform the sender you got it.

I am in.

I would like to play too :)
eliitmees AT merimax.ee

Since both of my Napoleon games seem to have died.

Originally posted by eric_A
Since both of my Napoleon games seem to have died.

Yep I know. :( I have contacted both Wildfire and Fionn but I don't plan on getting many answers.
About this one I guess you start to have experience. The good thing about this scenario is that it is "short".

Id be interested in giving this a try, but ask why 1.20. Im ok with 1.20 as I have multiple installs for several versions but I thought 1.22 was susposed to be better than 1.20 ?

Ill PM you my Addy :)

Originally posted by LouLong
The good thing about this scenario is that it is "short".

With a top-notch player in charge of Japan it can be very
short. If this is the case, the Allies best strategy is to stall
the enemy advance by destroying roads, rails and airports
while the US makes a beeline for the A-bomb.

Eric_A : yeah I hope you don't get Japan then :D

ChrisiusMaximus 1.20 because I mostly use it for the other PBEM I am in and when I tried to set up the different patches I got so many problems (that's my fault I acknowledge it) I had to reinstall everything...

@ wwhill : please snd me your e-mail adress ASAP by PM since yours is the only one I am waiting for before we launch.

@ wwhill : please send me your e-mail ASAP.

@ all: civs have been picked up, randomly.
As Eric_A said, a good player for Japan is a real danger. Good point for you, I won't be so much of a danger...
BTW if someone wants to exchange with me.....

wwhill, since I got someone else interested in this PBEM if you don't turn out with your e-mail by tomorrow, I will give him your position.

OK I change wwhill to Steph for USA.

wwhill if you come back you can register in the Napoleonic if you are interested and send me your e-mail or make it possible to contact you through CFC.

Sorry but did not want to delay...

First turn :

When the League of Nations was created, both England and the USA refused to have stated in writing respect of racial differences. This was all the more important for us that these imperialist powers kept on using their rude ways towards us, despite both our victory over the tall Russians and the help we provided them with against WWI Germany.

Since the USA have decided to impose an embrago on many products we desperatly need for our protection because they disapprove of our freeing and developping backwards China, we considered it the first step before direct aggression so we decided to strike first and make the arrogants white people know what it means to deal with the heir of Amaterasu.

Our two first objective were first to level the US agression force gathered in Hawai then to show Asian people they could free themselves from the imperialists whites (with our guidance) by taking Hong Kong. Our Chinese cousins were pretty happy to see white soldiers sweeping the streets while we cheered when two battleships were sunk by Zero pilots in Pearl Harbor. We expected a stronger blow but the result was not bad even if we lost a young Zero team. We captured Davao as well from the US because the Philippines are an Asian territory.
The English and Dutch have lost control of Phuket and Kudat as well as the oil fields of Brunei while the US surrendered in Guam and Chinese Imperialist employees were overrun by the people of Foochow who wanted to join us.
By practicing training exercises our paratroopers have realized they were actually good enough to approach cities in Sumatra and Sulawesi.

We are happy to know that the souls of the soldiers' of the SS-I - 32 (north of Prince of Wales) and of the destroyer Sazanamni (East of Wake) will be worshipped for ever at the Yasukuni shrine and that the souls of the people of the US SSTrout and Seawolf as well as of the BB Repulse will serve them in the afterlife.

Today, at dawn, the Japanese have cowardly launched an attack on our fleet in Pearl Harbour, without any declaration of war.
Several battleships have been severly damaged by this sneaky attack.
A ennemy cruiser has been sunk by one of our submarine, but the main ennemy fleet is still near Pearl Harbour. Emergency repairs are currently being done on our battleships, and then will soon retaliate!

Near the Philippines, a small naval battle between some Japanese and American destroyer has resulted in a draw.

The 7th of December 1941 is a said day for democracy, but the forces of Liberty shall prevail!

OK turn sent onto the Netherlands, I have nothing to report really this turn other than as you know the Japs have captured a city from me already. Mostly moved forces around and made sure I was producing what I most need.

One small success killed one Japanese Infantry unit outright with a Guerilla attack after a couple of Artillery hits.

Jap seems to have comitted several ground units to venture into our territories, we are hoping to deplete their hitpoints further next turn then wipe them out with Infantry charges.

We have no plans to move from our own lands at this time and will bne monitoring events as they happen.

Ive received various emails off you guys, so whats happening ?

Are we restarting, having a turn with no movement ?

lets get this baby moving, we shopuld manage a turn a day at least :)

BUMP Whats happening out there lads, do we got or game or dont we ? :)

I just got Eric_A's turn, we have decided to just freeze my move with the Netherlands, the rest continues. So turn up should be up and running very soon.

Turn 2 up and running.

Report :

The UK have adopted a double technic of "scorched earth" (they razed Kuala Lumpur before I could take it) and concentrated attack. A small combat between forces in the jungle East of Rangoon proved tough for our Armors but we inflicted damages and one loss to the ANZAC infantry. But we took Tarawa from them as a revenge for the murder of our paratroopers in Brunei.

A brief suspension of hostility between Japan and the Netherlands has occured.

China : the troops facing Nanning went back home for strategic reasons (!) while a battle on the SE outskirts of TaiYuan saw the destruction of a guerilla and infantry regiments. Our soldiers occupy the bunkers and practice their saber skills beheading the prisoners.

Our most important enemy at the moment is still the US. The heavily damaged fleet of Pearl Harbor tried to sneak to the South but we saw it (albeit late) and destroyed the BB Maryland and Nevada before the harbor, hoping they can actually block it. Our fleet moves after them but used most of its time destroying 3 submarines and 3 fighter squadrons around Honolulu.
A US SS (Argonaut) ambushed one of our destroyers NW of Hawai.
The other main field of battle against the US was the Borneo sea battle. As opposed to our "unity is strength" strategy, US and commonwealth destroyers practiced encircling technics : results 4 enemy destroyers sunk, Puerto Princess captured and various damages inflicted on Manilla.
Our glorious fleet is heading back to port to celebrate victory (= to heal). 2 other US SS were destroyed. From the wreckage we gathered they were US SS Pollock (standing at the entrance of the Palau lagoon) and Tambor (South of Midway).

turn 2 sent to Chinese

Report:

Couple of attacks by our submarines:
- near Saigon: already damaged Japanese BB Kongo destroyed by SS Storm.
- near Rabaul: DD Hiyodori sunk by SS Tireless

Oil fields near Saigon destroyed successfully by our bombers.

:mad: :cry: (means good job on your side, forgot about the oil fields).

sent on to the Netherlands :)

Report, well not much really. Once again a defensive round for the Chinese. Not a nice place to be right nextdoor to the Imperial Japanese army.

One lovely little bit of news though, that is if your not Japanese, one of my regular infantry units managed to wipe out a 3 unit Jap infantry army, sheltering in one of our forts. A great victory for us but we still have Jap infantry bearing down upon one of our cities causing much panic to the populace.

:confused: How did you destroy it ? :( :( :( :( :cry:

I regret to inform you that I am going to Russia for the weekend, so I will be away starting Friday afternoon and until Sunday evening. My apologies for slowing the game down for couple of days.

Sorry Lou thats a state secret ;)

This is the game turn 2 bug we noticed in our other
game, I reported it in the "Bugs" forum:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80263

Everything should be back to normal on turn 3.

Our great soldiers have to face many enemies in this war and it is not their least glory to face successfully opponents so numerous on different sides.
Anyway it is time to see their current victory status.
Our destroyers hunted down successfully 2 Commonwealth submarines (Storm and Skipjack or so it seems) in the South China Sea and were promoted.
Emulation made our pilots of both bombers and zero raid other Asian cities under the foot of British troops (a beautiful dogfight resulted in the loss of two fighter squadrons in Singapore and one fighter and one bomber squadron in Sebu).
They were mostly promoted as well.
A daring "Scout" destroyer was sunk near Rabaul.
On the other hand, young crazy, American "culture"-influenced zero pilots were shot over Honolulu. But other pilots sunk the CA Lexington and a destroyer in Hawai while they destroyed fighters on the ground.
Our scouting submarines destroyed the DD Paul Jones approaching from the continent.
The city of Aparri in Northern Philippines has revolted to be ruled by our glorious Emperor, helped my our well-trained marines.
Now we leave the talking to our colleage the general of the Armed forces :
"................".
Ah, our distinguished colleage has done sepukku. :) I heard of rumors his mistress was spotted with a Chinese guy near Taiyuan and he launched a mad and unsuccessful attack against the city to avenge his honor.
His colleague in Saigon let the ANZAC invasion force approach Bangkok where graves are getting ready for it which is probably shrewder and does not deserve the honorable death... yet (?).

The Japanese fleet is still bombing the Hawaii island. But our fleet is starting to strike back. Reinforcement from the continent has cut the way back to the Japanese fleet, and it is now trapped. Our valliant Navy has manage to sink 3 capital ships, and damage several others. Soon we will destroy completly the Japanese navy and restore freedom to the Pacific!

Not much happening in Commonwealth this turn. Just some tactical movements and heavy bombardment of Bangkok

Sent ahead to the Netherlands, Feb 1942.

Again a non turn for China, still staying at home, with one minor exception. Much tactical movement, and some strategic Bombing.

Finally got to move my forces. Got rid of 1 paratrooper
near Medan.

Game sent to Loulong.

March 1942.

Our fleet near Honlulu needs rest and repair especially after some recent sneak attacks. But before retreating it destroyed the Enterprise CV, 1 CA, 1 DD, 1 BB and 1 SS for the loss nevertheless of 3 Bombers and 1 Zero (due to what is I must say efficient anti aircraft fire in Hilo). Manilla is close to the breaking point, opening the last stronghold in that part of the world. 1 CA has been destroyed there as well.
The newly appointed general in China has changed the strategy, resulting in weakening of the numerous Chinese waves plus the destruction of two infantry regiments North of KaiFeng.
Commonwealth : BB prince of Wales spotted (but a bit late) and weakened. Sebu captured from the mountains showing the versatility of our crack marine troops. The officer in charge proved to be so good he was promoted on the spot as a leader.
SS Tally Ho sunk near Guadalcanal. Bombardment on the Burmese road. Fidji islands captured, a revolt of the natives took charge of the garrison making this conquest a pleasant walk, hopefully depriving them of one luxury... Last troops of the Bangkok invasion army killed of captured. We plan on making them build a bridge somewhere (the Kwai river maybe ?).
Dutch : limited fighting against the Dutch until now but they have lost the island city of Tenate. On the other hand a young paratrooper officer decided to do the same and attacked Manokwari with his sole troops. It is happy for him he died with the last of his men !

March 1942. The IJN has been lurking in the vincinity of the Hawaii islands for three month, bombing the American cities, and detroying ships that were already severly damaged by the vicious attack of th 7th december 1941, unable to answer. The Japanese fought they were winning, and took great proud in shooting these sitting ducks... But the Japanese Admiral didn't realized the trap set by the glorious American Navy.
The 4th of March, the Japanese decided to launch an airborne attack on Hilo, where they believed part of the Pacific fleet has taken shelters. But 4 squadrons of ennemy aircrafts were shot by the flack battalion recently sent from the continent. The Japanese managed to sink 3 capital ships that were almost wreck already.
With now a quite depleted air force, the Japanese admiral decided it was time to head to a Japanese occupied port for refitting, and headed South West. An American SS ambushed the convoy and crippled the battleship Hiei. A Japanense reconnaissance plane spotted the CV Enterprise and the Japanese fleet managed to sink it, before heading full speed south, leaving the Hiei behind.
The Japanese admiral thought the main fleet was safe...
Then an American SS, who was following the convoy, managed to sunk the Hiei, and to send word of the Japanese whereabouts to the admiralty. The remaining of the American fleet came out of Pearl Harbour, although not entirely repaired, and engaged the Japanese fleet. The shots from the BB Tennessee and Heavy Cruiser damaged some of the Japanese ships. And then, Hell opened its gate... The American fleet was not on the CV Enterprise! It was a trap : the American CV had been emptied of all personel and aircraft, and left them to lure the Japanese.
The bombers were based on another CV, hidden in the South East, and they attacked the Japenese fleet while the protecting zero were busy getting shot by the flack in Hilo.
Several destroyers were sunk by our bombers. Two destroyers then show extraordinary dare, they closed the ennemy fleet, avoid the fire of the remaining destroyers, and engaged the Aircraft carriers, sinking two of them.

In this glorious day, the Japanese navy lost two CV with their complement of aircrafts, 1 BB and several destroyers. Only 3 heavily damaged CV remained in the fleet, with a few destroyers. They are shadowed by several American submarines, and 3 aircraft carriers full of bombers. It is very unlikely that they will manage to get out of range next month, and thus their end is very close, as they will probably not be able to wisthand such another heavy bombing.

We must here send all our thanks to the people who work very hard back home to produce the bombers that have put the Japanese navy in such a disarray. With an average of 4 new bombers squadron every month, we produce more aicraft than the Japanese can destroy.

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:nono: Ah Emporer, it seems some of your Admirals need to fall on their swords, after such terrible performance at sea!!

No major events this month too. Just regrouping forces and preparing sudden strike
:)

Just watching you guys work, great reading. Would you think
about including some comments and analysis of past turns to
help us understand what is going on and reasoning behind
your stategies-without giving away any future plans?:goodjob:

I've played this conquest many times and find it too easy even
on higher diff to beat up on the AI, no matter what nation.:rocket2:

Sorry dgfred, but this information is classified, and we have not build the Intelligence Agency, so we cannot dig such secrets... Yet ;)

Eliit you forgt the save on your email, could you please check and resend Thanks :)

ChrisiusMaximus:
I sent it twice already, so as highspeed game :confused:
Maybe there are some problems with hotmail?

Yes, I had a warning message a while ago about ChrisiusMaximus email account, saying it was either full, or couldn't accept email so big??

Yes there appears to be a problem at my end, ive opened a new account if you could send there id be obliged,

ChrisiusMaximus TA europe TOD com

Originally posted by Steph

The Japanese admiral thought the main fleet was safe...
Then an American SS, who was following the convoy, managed to sunk the Hiei, and to send word of the Japanese whereabouts to the admiralty. The remaining of the American fleet came out of Pearl Harbour, although not entirely repaired, and engaged the Japanese fleet. The shots from the BB Tennessee and Heavy Cruiser damaged some of the Japanese ships. And then, Hell opened its gate... The American fleet was not on the CV Enterprise! It was a trap : the American CV had been emptied of all personel and aircraft, and left them to lure the Japanese.
The bombers were based on another CV, hidden in the South East, and they attacked the Japenese fleet while the protecting zero were busy getting shot by the flack in Hilo.
Several destroyers were sunk by our bombers. Two destroyers then show extraordinary dare, they closed the ennemy fleet, avoid the fire of the remaining destroyers, and engaged the Aircraft carriers, sinking two of them.



So he fell for the old empty carrier trick? Well done Steph.

its arrived at my hotmail addy now, Im not sure whats going on with hotmail but Im sorry for the hassle.

I will continue to use the hotmail addy but the new one can be used as a backup when hotmail are broke.

Turn played and sent on to Netherlands,

Nothing to report of any significance, minor border skirmish, killing one Jap Infantry unit, though I was not able to pull my boys who are injured back from the front.

Much troop movement and strengthening of strategic garrisons.

Hotmail is once again playing up, so Ive decided to throw in the towel with it, at least for the time being.

Please now use my old aol addy:

ChrisBennett8 AT aol DOT com

Sorry for the inconvenience :)

March...

Hawai : Tired of being damaged and not knowing why, the Japanese fleet scouted and found two US fleet. The important one including two aircraft carriers and two CA was to far in the East but the other group was close enough. Result before retreating : CA Chicago and Helena, 1 submarine, 1 destroyer and 1 battleship sunk. If it was a bait it might have been worth it !

China : not much. These damn valets of White Imperisalism prove to be though. They killed a bomber above Nanning and lost only an infantry in the North, slowly building up lots of "green" troops.

Micronesia : nothing

Malayan area (incl Philippines). Our bombers weakened DD Jupiter and Stronghold before being finsihed off by the DD Ayanani and BB Haruna itself. But the captain of the DD Encounter shrewdly outmaneuvered the CA Chokai which is at the bottom of the South China Sea. Albeit deeply displeased we recognize the value of esteemed ennemies.
Marines combined effort conquered both Menado (north Sulawesi) and Sangkoe... (in East Borneo) where a DD was spotted and sunk. The tale needs to be told. Just after conquering the city the marines found artillery that they immediately turned on the DD Van Gemt (?) that was finished off by our Bombers. A special medal will be shortly created to memorize the actions of our glorious marines : the "clove" medal maybe...
Infantry puts pressure on Donggola too.
Manilla surrenders !!!!

SE Asia : Yangoon under light siege.

The Japanese may take great proud in destroying a BB and a CA, but there were already so damaged that they would have sunk anyway before going back to the port. Our valliant DD chased the Japanese and discovered a fleet of 3 destroyers, that there promptly sunked by the bombers based at Hawaii, with only one US loss.

Then, a F4F wildcat that in recon mission east of Midway, searching for the CV, found instead a DD, that was soon sunk.

NE of Hawaii, a lonely japanese SS which was trying to ambush our fleet was sunk by a destroyer. A big question remain... Where are the 3 Japanese CV? They couldn't have outrun the DD chasing them, could they? Have they decided to sabotage their ships?

how goes things with our friemds in the Commonwealth :)

Bump Eliit you got this ?

Don't worry I think he was away for the week-end (bad timing since it was his turn) but he seems to be back as I got a message from him.

Have you a battle plan to carry against me to be so much in a hurry :p Guess China will counter attack. :(

None os us as any battle plan to carry against you. We are just coming to have some tea :rolleyes:

I sent the turn on friday evening. Seems like it never came to ChrisiusMaximus. Resending now.

Got it this time thanks, not sure why it did not arrive then :)

Yes Lou no sugar in mine :D

Turn played and sent to Netherlands !

A very busy turn here in China, and a very sucessful one too. When will the Japanese learn, they can not defeat our people, we fight with passion they fight blinded by their visions of their own superiority.

Emporer, you sent a sizable force into my lands once again, for this act we have unleashed death on your forces and wiped out your units! we also felt that it was high time the people of Kaifeng were liberated from your intolerable regime :D

Be warned if any further Jap forces set foot on Chinese land they will meet with similar justice!

Japanese Ministry of War :

report May 1942

While our troops are victorious on every front, a lack of fresh units is to be feared soon, especially since we are spreading thin.

Theaters of war :

China : there seems to be a problem with the hierarchy there as no officer can be found so we have actually no news about what is going on, new victories as usual we suppose.

SE Asia : Yangoon happily joined Japan, thus enabling a stop of communications along the Burmese road. Furthermore the oil source has been cut there.

Malay archipelago : Japanese capture Donggala meaning all the Sulawesi are now ours.
A bomber was shot by SIngapore air defense over the DD Encounter that was sunk nevertheless.
The CA Kuma sunk the SS Taurus near Puerto Princess.

Micronesia/Polynesia : Guadalcanal captured.

Hawai : nothing there this time. Rest

Our reports will probably stop being so detailed as the ones we get are not so detailed themselves so as we don't want to give away too many informations for free....

American news have made some major effect recently to give more objective and detailed report of events on the theatre of operation.

Actually it is you I was NOT refering to :)

It is just difficult for me to know what has happened when I see : "oh, BTW Kaifeng is back to China". Planes, artillery used ? Troops dead in the assault. These are not secrets but things one would see in SP. So if you can make an effort, that'd be nice.

Or maybe I am just giving away too much when I say I lost that or that plane, that or that ship or that kind of troops took that city (you can replace that by x if you prefer :p ).

OK Lou Ill bite, surely you know what forces you sent into to China last turn ? well they are all dead !, you also lost Kaifeng that was guarded by one inf and one Flak, with a further flak on the way to the city I think. I killed another two inf and captured an arty that was placed to weaken the city you were attempting to capture from me.

Your losses in detail were:

1 Combat Engineer,
2 Light Tanks,
5 Nipponese Infantry,
2 Flak,

I captured 1 Artillery that was placed to bombard my town, and a further 2 that were in kaifeng, plus 1 more that you had captured from me previously I think.

I lost 1 Plane, a fighter that was shot down by one of yours, and that is all Ill say. I am not prepared to tell how or with what units I achieved these results as I am not wishing to see you find weak points in my lines.

I think Loulong has a valid point.
It is very important, at least for our little war near Hawaii, to know if a ship has been destroyed by a sub, a ship or a bomber.
So either everybody give this information, or nobody does, as it may give un unfair advantage.
I misinformed Loulong a bit at the beginning, but without the possibility to replay the turn, it's a bit to confusing. "Hey, I've lost 6 ships, but from where?"
It's fun to have to guess, but then I understand why Loulong says he may give less information if he get less, to keep things balanced.

Personnally, I will try to continue to give information, first because I find it fun to write, second because I don't play to win but to have fun, so it's not very important if I let something slip that help the jap... and third because I don't need to keep secret to win :p, I'll crush you anway Lou :D

May 1942, American news.

The Japanese seem to have understood any attempt at attacking the mighty American nation was doomed, and they have fleed in disarray far from the front, nowhere to be seen. A single ennemy submarine has unfortunately (for it!) crossed the path of two bombers conducting patrol in the area.

Apparently, the Japanese underestimated the swift of the American retalation. Nor the zero nor the flak were prepare to react to the bombing of Kwajalein by our bombers. Unfortunately, those Japanese cowards were hidden among civilians, and a few colateral casualties are to be mourned.

It is the first month no American soldiers had to gave their life, but only to take the ennemy's. The sky is ours, and soon the Pacific will also be an American lake.

In some ways i understand Lou's point and in some ways I agree with you Steph, but I still want to keep the wherabouts of certain of my troops and whatnot. Its fair to say that in single player you can see all but this is not single player, and in all the PBEM I play this is how it is. I dont mind telling what I kill and what I lost but I dont want to let you know what Ive got. If you want that sort of info build the intelligence agency and plant a spy!

As it is any troops left in the field within view are detectable already by right clicking, surely I dont have to give detailed info on city garrison sizes too ?

Yes I too play primarily for fun, but Im also aiming to win if I can, and in my mind that means a better game for Lou too, against an opponent who forces you to rethink, reconsider and try another plan. Ouch that did not go too well, better regroup and think of another strategy. Also at the start of this game I believe I lost cities without even firing a shot, and then the next few turns were a desperate scramble to defend against waves of Lou's units.

I did not mean to sound uppity before, sorry if it came across that way, but this is the way I see things. I will say one thing to all my fellow players in this game, I am really enjoying this game, its the most challenging PBEM Ive yet been involved in and I look forward to playing my next turn, finding out where Lou has hit me this time :)

Oh you know, you can give some information without telling to much in fact. For instance, I know Loulong still has 3 CV somewhere, so if he tells a ship has been bombed by zero, it's not a very big new. I still don't know where those damned ships are! :mad:

In the other 2 WW2 Pacific games I played we never gave any
information regarding attacker loses or number of artillery and
bombers used, unless we felt like bragging.

BTW: That elite Jap DD is still just sitting there a couple
of squares off the north coast of New Guinea. Can anyone
bomb it for me?

Loulong, can you keep your DD immobile 5-6 turns? I'm almost ther to sink it :D

:lol:

Sure no problem :D

OK then it just depends I believe on players for in other PBEMs some players absolutely want a report forwarded with the SAV.

I did not plan to brag (as Japan at the beginning it is normally easy) and since I am doing poorly (against China especially...), I have no reason to do it now. On the other hand I thought it could be fun, for "visitors" as well but it is fine with me to do less "show".

I agree about the fun for visitors factor Lou, and I will try to make my reports more entertaining :)

May 1942
Tragic month for Commonwealth, as we lost Rangoon and Guadalcanal, unsuccessfully attacked Tenate and have Japanese fleet threatning Auckland. But our siege of Bhuket goes pretty well - Japanese MG Battalion killed and our reinforcement have arrived.

Hello friends and foes alike!

A truly incredible turn for China this time, Lou I am sorry but I cant offer detailed losses for you as I lost count. Im not trying to brag either, its just that the turns are getting so big here now it is taking up to an hour to play and report etc.

This turn three Jap cities, Hanoi, Canton and Hong Kong all fell to Chinese forces, the only downside to this is having to garrison such gains and slowing down the push forward. Army group South has performed admirably and the Japanese forces are falling by their thousands.

Emporer Lou you should remove your forces once and for all from Chinese sovereign territory and let your men return home to their families.

China will not rest until all trace of your peolple has been removed from the mainland!

China out :)

:goodjob: I think Loulong will soon be very sorry he asked you to give details if all your reports are like that.

4 cities captured by China in two turns... The game will end before 1943 at this rate :)

Loulong, if you need to send reinforcments to China fast, you can remove troops safely from islands in the Pacific. I promise not to attack the troops you will remove:satan: I'll let the Chinse do that. :D

Side note : I don't think Loulong is really interested by a detailled count of Japanese losses, he can know that by comparing his two save games. What he'd like to know is did you take the cities with infantry / tanks, did you use bomber / artillery, and did YOU had losses?

well thats the information Im not willing to give away, state secrets old boy ;)

June 1942

The problem with China is that it is full of Chinese...

And obviously these endless waves of Chinese are not worth the effort to enlighten them.
No officer wants to take charge there, resulting in total chaos and Chinese civilian casualties (which is better anyway).

Our noble military (fleet, air force and marines) kept on performing admirably.

In Micronesia/Polynesia : we killed a DD (Achilles) and a probably lost ANZAC troop who had made the mistake of disembarking on a mine field on the island of Truk. We actually went there to help them and limit THEIR casualties... New Zealand is the first fortunate "White" country to be freed. Our sailors were most impressed by the Maori war dances that were performed to welcome us.

South China Sea/Malayan archipelago : sunk Commonwealth BB Prince of Wales, CA Adelaid and Lander (sp ?). Netherlands lost a transport (we presumed it was empty...) near Banjoewangi. Ketapang conquered.
Troops in Tenate rest after long if not fierce fighting.

USA forces seem to cower at thome....

"Bang" Oops sorry for the noise a young officer just made the mistake of pronouncing the word "China" loud enough for our generalissim to hear. He won't mae the mistake again.

:lol: good stuff Lou most entertaining :D

More seriously I think I really did a strategic mistake with China. I looked down at it which I obvisouly should not have done.
I only played as USA in that conquest so I am learning (the hard way BTW) how to play Japan.

its no matter its a game, and I feel the same about Wales being full of Welshmen :D

Only kidding honest :D

At least you learn well how to sink the American Navy.

I should not write it, but my navy has been reduced to a very small size... You have sunk ALL my original BB.
I have a strong economy, and so I can rebuild fast. But crossing the Pacific with reinforcment should give you the few turns you will need to try to change the course of war in China.

I was really joking about Chinese (my g/f is one so if I were not she would kill me !) but China in this scenario is to be dealt with swiftly or one should get ready for a long difficult fight.

Not to know what is being said of course but being curious wondered if there is much behind the scene (for me) intelligence exchange and diplomacy between you guys.

Well, although the very first turn was played completly independantly for me as it was my first PBEM, we are now trying to a bit more collective. But it's not a big secret: Eric_A gave me the location of your elite DD here, so I can bomb it in 5 turns. See? We are exchanging intelligence in the most discreet way.

About diplomacy... China, Commonwealth, USA and Netherlands have an alliance against Japan. But **sshh** it's a secret

Very good reading guys. :goodjob: The more info the better as
far as us lurkers are concerned.:ar15: I do understand about
the state secrets and all. So far it has been really :cooool: :thanx:

Not much to say this month, as the Japanese fleet is still hiding somewhere.
Ah, yes, last minute report. A Japenese transport escorted by a DD near Kwajalein (was it coming back to the harbour or going away from it?) has been spotted by a Wildcat squadron. The escort has breen promptly sunk, but our planes were at the limit of their range and couldn't stay long enough over the objectives to sink the transport as well, it now has some chance to escape and take shelter in the harbour.

Not much happened this month. Still preparing for massive attack ;)
Japanese submarine spotted in Guadalcanal and destroyed by our bombers.

The tide is definitely turned now for the Japanese on the mainland. Again my glorious soldiers have taken the fight to the enemy, and successfully captured the cities of Hue, and Kungchow.

Fresh troops are pouring from the training facilities eager to kill Japs and serve their country. Our confidence grows with each month and we look forward to a time when the Japanese home islands will feel the wrath of the Chinese.

We must however applaud the bravery of our beligerant foe, they fought hard to save Hue ! only our superior number made this conquest a reality. To an outside observer it may seem this is easily won but the Japanese are a determined people and we see from the latest maps they have aquired a new source of oil !

Not only that but it seems that many islands are turning red, we hope we can press home our recent advantage before the Japs can mount a serious counter attack.

China Out.

:eek: :cry:

July 1942

Two young officers without any order decided to take care of the Chinese invasion by themselves. ALbeit the Vietnamese population complains for being still under the Chinese yoke in Hanoi, a major tank battle in the jungle showed our skills. This might be a turning point or just an illusion but at least it boosted the morale of the army.

Small operations of sweeping foreign troops have occured along the Indonesian peninsula.

We have kept photos of some of these events but we will have to wait for the censorship bureau to allow them...

August 1942

In July an Infantry army was issued two contradictory orders and found itself in the wrong place which enabled China to capture some more of our artilleries (as if they knew how to use it, pff !).

This was a serious drawback in the two officers' counter-attack.

But with help from crack marine troops, Southern China was mostly reconquered and a major battle exhausted both troops but saw a major Japanese victory near Hue. Nevertheless Chinese troops still commit despicable act of torture on our Vietnames friends in Hue and Hanoi.

A commonwealth transport and a Dutch SS were sunk in Indonesia while planes were struck on the tarmac before being able to take off by our swift air attacks.

Rest and movement.

Steph won't probably be available during the whole week. He hoped to get the turn before leaving but since I just played it...

August 1942

In July an Infantry army was issued two contradictory orders and found itself in the wrong place which enabled China to capture some more of our artilleries (as if they knew how to use it, pff !).

This was a serious drawback in the two officers' counter-attack.

But with help from crack marine troops, Southern China was mostly reconquered and a major battle exhausted both troops but saw a major Japanese victory near Hue. Nevertheless Chinese troops still commit despicable act of torture on our Vietnames friends in Hue and Hanoi.

A commonwealth transport and a Dutch SS were sunk in Indonesia while planes were struck on the tarmac before being able to take off by our swift air attacks.

Rest and movement.

You notice how he fails to mention his attack on Sumatra near
Palembang. It ended in utter failure with his destroyer sunk and
an elite marine unit eliminated. I suppose it must the the censors,
that kind of thing is bad for moral back in Japan.

That's not up to me to report that. That happened during your turn, and I don't know how... I obvioulsy took the bait...

Steph won't probably be available during the whole week. He hoped to get the turn before leaving but since I just played it...

Lou::
No need to pause the game all week. Since we have a common password
any allied player can fill in for another. Send us the game and one of us
will play his turn for him.

Ignore this post, see my previous one.

Lou::
No need to pause the game all week. Since we have a common password
any allied player can fill in for another. Send us the game and one of us
will play his turn for him.
OK, sent to EliitMees directly.
Please don't do too many combined efforts though... I don't need it lol

Are you going to play the US turn for Steph or what?
If you need advice send the turn to myself & Chris, we will
have a look at it and give you our advice.

Loulong:
Did you tell Eliitmees that he was filling in for Steph when you
sent him the game?

No, I thought he had seen the posts in this thread.

Hey! you could have waited for me. I don't mind it if you play my turn at the beginning of my trip, but playing it for me the last day is mean! ;)

Anyway, I have just played my turn. Please try to use my save if possible...

It's not that I don't have confidence in my fellow generals, but I'm not sure of what they did.

I'll write the turn report of you can confirm it's the one you are using.

Sorry Steph, I did not realize you were back already, when
Lou said the whole week, I thought he meant for 7 days.

Did you manage to take Kwajelein?

Of course! The Japanese fleed in awe before the might of our armies with the fear of our wrath in their bellies :tank:

Kwajalein has fallen. Tarawa has been bombed. It's a New Hope for democraties. The Japanese empire may strike back, but he can't avoid the return of the GI.

:lol: I'm quite proud of these last sentences :D

August 1942
Again it is mostly defending turn for Commonwealth. Japanese infantry destroyed near Port Moresby by our MG Battalion.

Again we must applaud the bravery and ferocity of our enemy. Yes the force with which the japanese counter attacked was impressive, be that it is all pretty much destroyed now.

Yes jap did well to recapture 3 towns from us, though Canton is once again safe from their evil deeds.

Many of our troops have died in these last few months, but we satisfy our selves in the knowledge that so too have a greater number of our enemies fallen. "You keep sending them and well keep killing them" is our new state motto :D

Allies we suspect our intrusion into Indo china has jap worried, especially as we wiped two jap armies there this month.

Our production centres continue to churn out the materials of war, and there is no shortage of volunteers to go kill some more Japs, so though we suffered a minor setback we are confident we are gaining the upper hand.

Sept 1942

Chinese front : the two young officers died in the field of honor. Albeit they disappeared they reorganized the army there and became idols for others to copy. Thus this marine regiment (influenced albeit in another branch of the armed forces)that annihilated a Chinese army on the Pearl river between Canton and Hong Kong.
A scouting English destroyer was also destroyed in the south China sea by our bombers.

Some English artillery recaptured from the Chinese near Hanoi as well with no loss this time. And our cities there have been garrisonned a plenty since we discovered our Emperor had allowed us, in his magnificience, to draft civilians.

Indonesia : nevertheless the Navy still gets the more support (troop, officers,...) and they succeeded in capturing the Dutch colonies of Batavia, Banjoewangi (so Java is all ours), Boela (by paratroopers deployed previously in the jungle, the garrison was fousing only on defending from the sea and from the air !) and Manokwari, giving us our first stronghold in New Guinea. In terms of cities, the Dutch have lost 40% of their remaining cities this turn.

Micronesia : Rabaul conquered to balance (VP) the capture of Kwajalein by dirty US rag troops.

Kwajalein proves to be a worthy base, just in range of Truk for our bombers. Civilians in Truk were killed during a raid by between 6 and 10 bomber squadrons. It is impossible to evaluate exact damage as the target was to far to send a photograph equipped plane

Last minute news : Our counter intelligence services have discovered a breach in allied communication system. Apparently, someone broadcasted news to other allies, but forgot to close the Japanese channel. It is belived the Emperor is now fully aware of US plans of invasion.

September 1942

First victory for Commonwealth this month - city of Bhuket liberated by our heroic infantry. We are now starting to recover from the shock of first months of this sudden war.

I too can add to the ever growing list of victories against the enemy.

Hong Kong is once again liberated!!

Last month we expressed our admiration for our foe and their sheer determination, this month we can only feel pity for the Sons of Japan, and more so for the ever increasing number of widows in that land.

Allies we smashed a jap force of 1 army comprising 1 tank and 2 inf units, with 7 green inf units in support. in other battles 2 more straggling jap inf units were destroyed as well as the much lauded marine units near the Honk kong theatre.

Strike now my allies the enemy is overstrerched and weakening!! press home hard and without mercy.
China out.

Widows are numerous and their numbers are increasing. It is a pity to have to sacrifice so many superior people (translator note : Japanese) for the betterment of mankind. The Chinese still refuse to accept to improve their lifes under our rule. And we start to wonder thanks to what miracles their ragtag troops keep on defeating our superior soldiers. Only entire waves of Chinese soldiers sacrificing themselves could achieve that, but for what lost cause ?

On the mainland, things still look rough for our famous soldiers who do not too bad considering the overwhelming odds they must face.

Actions mostly at sea where commonwealth CA Dragon was sunk off Rabaul and especially near Truk where fierce naval combat saw the end of a US fleet including CA Juneau, CV Saratoga and two escorting destroyers. A nearby transport flottila was also sunk. Now, if the naval fight was worthy and intense, some officers worry since little air activity was spotted from the Saratoga. Could it have been a bait once again ?

The officer in charge of North Pacific patrols has been ordered to do sepukku as he failed to notice and destroy a transport approaching our national waters. Let's hope the Kamikaze will wash it ashore... damaged !

PS : Albeit the situation is far from being great for Japan, I believe the game is still winnable for me as I get about 1800 VP every turn (just realized that this turn). So in 5-6 more turns, I should have reached the victory level. Maybe it is a bit low but that is the level anyway.

..near Truk where fierce naval combat saw the end of a US fleet including CA Juneau, CV Saratoga and two escorting destroyers. A nearby transport flottila was also sunk...

Argh :cry: :cry: The Japanese spies were able to report useful information cracked for our communications with allies. The situation seems to be incredibly bad for America... More on that after we send an high rank officer examine the battlefield (ie : the saved game).

Side note : Sorry my dear allies, but I'm afraid I've made an incredible amount of mistakes during that game...

Well, don't be afraid, so did I. And you lost many ships not only because of your mistakes but because I focused heavily on you, because I feared you more than the others. But I overlooked China and did not try to get rid of Singapore early enough...

... but because I focused heavily on you...
Did you? I feel better, I was afraid you destroyed 95% of my fleet with a few reservists while your main forces where fighting chinese.

Great stuff guys :thumbsup: . Very fun to read, :thanx: for the write-ups!

It is good to see how humans react in this scenario, much different than
playing against the AIs :eek: .

Great stuff guys :thumbsup: . Very fun to read, :thanx: for the write-ups!

It is good to see how humans react in this scenario, much different than
playing against the AIs :eek: .

BTW forgot. Now I can upload it since it was August 1942, tank battle near Hanoi in the Jungle.

It is a very sad day for America... All communications with the CV Saratoga task force have been suddenly stopped after their last raid on Truk. We have send some reconnaissance plane there. It only found a piece of life boat, with the word ..atog.. written on it... We may ver well never know what happened to the thousands of troops in the crew, and loaded in the ships to assault Truk.
We have once again bombed Truk and Tarawa in retalaion, damaging and perhaps destroying a few aircraft, and killing civilians.

The only good news this turn in the successfull surprise landing of a small unit near Sapporo, threatening one of Japan main cities. However, the army has been spotted by the Japanese, and we are not sure it will be able to take the city before counter attack

Only bomber missions to Rabaul and Fiji this month.

Any news from China ? Did they all die testing WMD (just daydreaming !) ?

No not yet Im sorry for the delay, Ive been really busy today and am too tired right now to play.

If an ally wants to speed it up and play my turn its okay but I will definitely do this by no later than tomorrow evening around 6pm GMT :)

We can wait I think :-). Take your time. I was just wondering since usually the pace was quite fast.

Turn played and sent, no report this time sorry the Chinese government has called for a total news blackout.

Chris sent me the turn, but it was an old one I had already
played, waiting for the current turn.

Any news ?

@Lou- Thanks for the screenshot :D :cooool: :D . I'm following the battle
closely :scan: . Looks like China may be a problem, they look large from the
shot :eek: . :goodjob: to all and thanks again for the shot. :rocket:

Got the turn October turn from Chris and played it.

We recaptured the city of Ketapang and sunk a transport in
Batavia harbour. The loss of that transport means he has no
way to sealift his marine army until he rush-builds a new one.
That should slow him down for one turn. Getting Ketapang
back means enough oil for now. Many of his cities in Indonesia
are not garrisoned by ground troops, Eliit, SEND MARINES NOW!!!

OK, I got a pb here.
I don't think that scenario is intended to be played with razing of one's cities.
It is true we did not discuss that at the beginning and maybe we should have (obviously others might have had different points of view...) but I don't believe we should raze our own cities to avoid capture.
I thought of mentionning the topic when EliitMees razed his Kuala Lumpur city but since it did not happen afterwards I thought it was just a one-shot.
Now China just destroyed Hue because I cut the communications with China and brought a relatively strong troop to take the city after weakening its defenses.
If we have to play that way, I could also raze the cities I have captured to avoid counter-attack (like in the Pacific where it is true it seems I have weakened the US navy enough for its counter-attacks to be limited, but also in Indonesia or on the mainland. And I have officially more reasons to do it as I have less troops to protect my cities.
I consider the game to be a strategic war one where you have to try to get cities and keep them but not where once a sizeable force approaches you, you simply raze your city. Otherwise Indochina, Indonesia or Micronesia would simply be deserts now and that would not be any good to you.

So I want to know your opinions about it, not as Allies but as players. My personal opinion is that I would like the game to be replayed from China's turn onwards and that city-razing should be forbidden officially (which would be more in your interest now that you are counter-attacking).

I have come up against this situation in a game im involved in before, and then it was me who was decrying the use of this strategy. Lou you are correct we never discussed this as a rule prior to starting and that it has already been done.

I was overuled and I accepted that the game allows this strategy and therefore this is not a cheat or suchlike.

Sure your sore because you were eluded the prize of the city of Hue, for my part your counters were too many for me to handle and I chose to widen the no mans land between us. I am not prepared to replay, I dont wish to argue over this, it was my only option to play this turn to hold back your forces, and as such a viable strategy IMHO. if you wish to replace me for a player who will play the game the way you would prefer then Im happy to step aside but would like to continue to the end, which as far as VP's goes will not be much longer.

If im right you still get the Victory Points if you can hold the tile where Hue stood, so I see no reason for your insistance for me to replay.

My point was not make you step aside at all. The only case when I got rid of players in my PBEM was just when they were not playing which hurt the PBEM wholly, not for personal reasons.
It is just I did not use that strategy myself because I don't think it "should" be done. Especially when you consider no new city can be built.
It is not a pb of VP it is a problem of fair-play IMHO because I actually FEEL cheated (whether I actually was should be the object of the vote). I should have mentioned it when EliitMees razed Kuala Lumpur, that's true. Because if it is a valid strategy for one of us, then it should be valid for everyone and then the game could look weird. Most of the Allies could raze their cities in the first few turns, so that Japan does not capture anything then Japan could raze most cities outside Japan so that they are not taken/retaken.


I am asking for a vote and I think both you and I should abide by the results of this vote, either accept it (for me) or replay (for you).

Lou I fully understand your feelings on this, they are exactly how I felt in another game Ive played when a similar thing happened to me.

It was the Napolean conquest where you cannot make settlers too so as you point out this is a strange strategy.

however it is a viable strategy and one which i had to take, and i did not take it lightly. it was painful for me too having to lose that which I had fought so hard for, but I can not afford to let you as Japan regain territory and tighten your grip on China in this game.

I have little or no idea what sort of battles the other players have had with you in this game but I do know our interaction has been intense, and it has been fairly equal most times. I wont replay this turn, Im sorry for how it makes you feel, but it has to hold.

Your comment about everyone razing all their cities is a little exagerated but understandable while you feel cheated so, but I wont back down. The game has a feature to abandon cities which I have made use of and I assure you it pained me to do so. Any or all rules agreements should be made prior to starting a game so no votes held now will change my position on my strategic decision to abandon Hue.

We should have specified it at the start. I don't like
the use of city razing in PBEM. Maybe we could allow
each side to raze a maximum of 2 cities. The Allies
have already razed 2 cities so we can't raze any more.

I am somewhat surprised by your saying you understand my feelings while doing it (and holding to it) at the same time but in order not to cause damage to the game I will abide by Eric_A's proposition, even if "my hand is forced" as we say in French.

So that acts as a rule from now on (that was MY mistake not to mention it at the beginning), even if I don't think I will use it.
I think it is a valid option in standard PBEMs though, depending on the rules agreed on at the beginning.

Intense, yes ! Sometimes intense as well with USA or commonwealth but not that constant. I must say I am amazed at the way China can be such a pain in this scenario. I thought USA were the main enemy, then Commonwealth and I was proved to be wrong... :-(

First, I think completly razing a city should not be allowed. However, we should be able to destroy all buildings when we think the city will fall (sabotage).
So here is my vote :
- If razing a city make it impossible afterward to get the VP, then the turn should be played again (because then it is indeed cheating).
- If going into the location of Hue Loulong can get the VP, then the turn doesn't need to be played.

Whatever the result, I think we should not raze any other city, even "occupied" one, but we would destroy any building in the city if we want to.

I thought USA were the main enemy, then Commonwealth and I was proved to be wrong... :-(

Well, perhaps USA would have been with a good player :cry:

November 1942 was the month when Japanese mouths could only say "REVENGE" after the utter destruction of Hue (including its beautiful ancient palaces) and the execution of our small Vietnamese brothers. Our men were so angry they recaptured both Beijing (with very scarce losses ! reporters took pictures but these won't be released before two months for security reasons) and KaiFeng where local Chinese were crying for our help.
In retaliation, Japanese soldiers beheaded two groups of Chinese POW captured discreetly between Hanoi and Nanning.
We hope the Chinese won't make such a mistake again but informal talks with allies about morality in war makes us believe so.

The Dutch try to show their nose, thinking Chinese affairs keep us too busy. It is not true. They captured two oil sources from us in Palembang so we sunk a destroyer inside the harbor and the CA de Ruyter (what spitting name is that ?) as well as a SS cruising around Truk and we captured some of its rubber plantations in Sarmi.

Heavy fighting took place around Bangkok where our troops showed great determination and weakened an enormously superior troop (in numbers). Our strategic matters there forced us nevertheless to leave some civilians without defense againt the "falangs". Australians seem to feel too confident so we bombarded them on their very island.

The US, albeit agreeing with us about "morality in war" felt nevertheless our wrath once again : an (empty) transport was sunk in the cold waters of the North Pacific, unfortunately after it had landed troops on the pure land of the Rising Sun (actually this part is still inhabited by stinking and hairy Ainous so our Holy Emperor is not too much bothered). More importantly, the CV Yorktown was sunk by the combined efforts of Zero pilots and submarine action North of Tarawa.

We know leave the bench to our esteemed colleague, representing the United States of America.

The "stinking and hairy Ainous" only fought a symbolic battle, happy as thery were to get rid of the Japanese yoke. The city of Sapporo, and all the island, is now under American control. The Emperor now has to fear for invasion of his very own territory.

The destruction of the CV Yorktown is indeed a sad new, as it was the last ship that had been build before the Japanese attack. Well, those ships were outdated design anyway, the American shipyard are now replacing them quickly with more powerfull ships.

The island of Truk was bombed sevral times/ Zero tried to intercept, but they were destroyed by our bombers defensive fire.
Tarawa was bombed also, a Zero squadron was destroyed on ground/ Lastly, the SS rhat destroyed the Yorktown has been sunk by a bomber.

The US navy may not have any CV left, Kwajalein is an unsunkable carrier :D

Guys, I would love to see screenshots if any of you have taken any. This has been an entertaining read. I realize you won't want to show the current ones, but how about past stuff?

Guys, I would love to see screenshots if any of you have taken any. This has been an entertaining read. I realize you won't want to show the current ones, but how about past stuff?

I posted one already. Another one will follow but... in two turns !

Yeah, I saw that one, I was just hoping some of your comrades (read enemies) would post a few as well.

I'll post a screenshot of Tokyo occupied by US troops in just a few turns :D

Our troops entered Rangoon and found it abandoned by enemy forces. Looks like they left to reinforce Bangkok defence - our exhausted infantry are in trouble there. Now we have to pay more attention on defending Australia, as japanese ships are spotted not far from its coast.

First, I think completly razing a city should not be allowed. However, we should be able to destroy all buildings when we think the city will fall (sabotage).
So here is my vote :
- If razing a city make it impossible afterward to get the VP, then the turn should be played again (because then it is indeed cheating).
- If going into the location of Hue Loulong can get the VP, then the turn doesn't need to be played.

Whatever the result, I think we should not raze any other city, even "occupied" one, but we would destroy any building in the city if we want to.

I have just been through all this while designing my TOS mod:

Victory point locations are worth 30 points per turn even without a city.

Conquering a city is worth 100 points per citizen.

Well, actually since I made the mistake of razing one city in Fionn's Napoleonic I felt bad enough not to create troubles, although I would have been willing to replay that turn and NOT raze the city. But in that PBEM there were so many AI razing cities anyway...

Eric_A, I have seen your threads about your modifs, looks interesting. If (or when) it is ready, what about organizing a PBEM with it ?

Eric_A, I have seen your threads about your modifs, looks interesting. If (or when) it is ready, what about organizing a PBEM with it ?

We can organize one when this game is finished.

We can organize one when this game is finished.

Sure !
(if there is room for me I mean...).

This game could be short now or longer, depending on the success of Chinese counter-attack.

Small update of New of America.

Sapporo was to far to get picture from our reconnaissance planes, so we did not no this initially and discovered it after taking the city, but the Japanese emperor had just build a new Naval Academy in the city.

The students were taught a very hard lesson, as they had to face real ennemy bullets after only 1 week of training at the academy. This week of training was not enough to make them good soldiers, and they were unable to repel our assault.
What happened to the academy is not very clear. At first, we thought it was destroyed by our Light Tank shells during the battle, but recent evidences show the students, ashamed by their defeat, decided to commit sepuku, but in a modern way : they destroyed the building with them trapped inside.

Anyway, the emperor's navy is now back to the old 1905 tactics. It may have been enough to beat the Russians, but now America will show Japan what modern naval tactis can do.

Steph:
Those new tactics would work a lot better if you
had any ships left.

Perhaps, but knowing my non existing ships are going faster than japanese non existing ships (since we happily destroyed each other fleet) is a morale advantage that will ultimately lead to victory.

Beside, I said all my original ships were destroyed. I may have built a few since the beginning of the came. ;) However, I won't tell how many, I have a strange feeling ... I sense ... something... Yes here! A japanese spy in black pyjamas :ninja: ! Sorry, I need to go after him :ar15: !

1/ I agree completely with what Eric_A said.
2/ who told you we mutually destroyed one another ?
I'd say at least 50% of my intial fleet are still alive
(oops I saied too much).

Ah! Ah! The ennemy has been tricked into saying what is the current size of his navy! :D

What is China doing ??
translation : I start to be eager to finish this game !!!

Great stuff again :lol: . :rotfl: . There are alot of us lurkers paying close
attention to this one. :goodjob:

Turn played and sent.

China calls on its allies to hit Japan with all forces at their disposal, things have taken a turn for the worst in China and the evil Japanese are pushing harder than ever at our borders.

We have lost Kaifeng and have been unable to retake that city, and we were relieved of Peking as soon as we had captured it. We fear for the worst now and ask our allies to send aid and assistance as soon as is humanly possible.

Chris:
I did not receive the turn, can you send it again.

Dutch turn, Nov 1942. We are still fighting back wherever we
can. We sank a destroyer near Bangermasin and here is a
screen shot of the last moments of the cruiser Mogami. I normally
would not post such a shot for security reasons, it puts my
sub K15 in grave danger, but this game is effectively over
as Lou has 37150 VPs.

Dec 1942 :

TT... disease strikes in Vietnam, need resources diverted from the war... DD Makikumo sunk CA Exeter with air support.... (smiles in the press rooms as it had been a long-known enemy ship)... Bombers lost over Hanoi and Bandjermasin... need more trained pilots... Bombers shoot jet fighters around Kwajalein... (smiles again as Japanese were scared of these brand-new weapons, but it seems the software is not up to the standards of the hardware)... US bomber destroyed while landing on Sapporo tarmac...Cleaning the area will take the US some time.... unknown (KV-15 ?) SS sunk near Koepang.... Artillery recaptured near Bangkok.... Two artillery divisions recaptured north of KaiFeng, the stupid officer who left them unguarded and let them cause so many destructions on the Japanese task force has been "fired"...

Yes, the Americans captured a Japanese city, here is the proof.

Beside that, bombers damaged all 4 CA of a Japanese Task Force W of Kwajalein, a SS almost destroyed a CA, but was destroyed itself.

Guadalcanal recaptured by paratroopers.

@Steph- Thanks for the shot :goodjob: . Allies are :hammer: back.
Us lurkers are :scan: closely. :)

To my Allies, well done in your recent endeavours last month, we in China would like to thank you all for your best efforts throughout this war. It is obvious to our chief of command that the Jap has decided to throw all resources towards our people and we are coming under increasingly heavy attack.

Sadly our strategy of taking the fight to the enemy has now had to be discarded and we have only now to refocus all our efforts on defense.

We hope with all our hearts that our cities will prevail the coming attaks they are about to endure but we will continue to fight next month whatever the situation that confronts us.

It gives us hope to see you all beginning to make some gains though we dont think this particular war can be won we believe the next time Japan will be crushed.

OOC the VP situation shows this game to have almost run its course which is a shame, as Im sure we could have swung things were we allowed to play the full 55 turns.

But that to one side I say well done to Lou a most impressive effort, I for one never had a moments peace and the fighting was intense :b:

YES !

I won. A surprise I must say.
But first 'thank you' to my dearest opponents ! The battle has been tough indeed and I really thought I would lose until I realized I could get a VP victory. I must admit the level is probably to easy to reach in MP/PBEM but I don't believe the next few turns would have been that easy for you anyway.

Just for fun I tried (without any careful approach, not moving ships... just on cities) to play the following turn.
Result : I garrissoned North Borneo while transports and new marines arrived in Java to capture Southern Borneo within one or two turns.
I captured Okaba (rubber !) in New Guinea, but I admit Port Moresby would have taken me a while to "reduce" if possible at all.
But the most important was China. Albeit I was disappointed I did not conquer Hanoi and the northern city (where Chinese soldiers keep on throwing themselves on our bayonets and slow us done) (Hanoi just had one defender left !!) I would have taken Hanoi the next turn I believe because I destroyed the road infrastructures from the main Chinese cities and I liberated Hong Kong and Canton and captured Xi an and Lanchow, actually separating China in two (and I have a nice railroad !). China was a "card castle" ! And the light tanks I had in reserve for that proved very efficient (fast was enough, some cities are empty !).
And the Anzac troops in Malaysia/Thailand make me get more experienced troops.
About the USA, if I failed to reconquer Sapporo this turn, the following turn would have seen the Japanese flag on top of the island again and my first jet bombers, jet fighters were due next turn which would have made a US approach difficult.
So after all my situation was not so bad !

Anyway it is the first PBEM I have been in that reaches its natural end and it is a vicotry for me. Thank you ! Especially that I did not get the impression you made things so easy for me.


One lurker asked us about strategy once. I don't know if there are that many lurkers around but anyway here it is.

Beginning : nothing too original. 4 directions :
- block the US as long as possible in the Eastern Pacific, damage him, keep him busy...
- China : only wanted to capture TaiYuan and Foochow. TaiYuan because it is a hilly area that controls the railroad and Foochow to deprive China of its harbor (limit trade).
- Micronesia/Polynesia : take with little combat any islands I could take, if possible with airports or VP so as to keep allies busy reconquering all these little spots that in-between gave me vision over many areas, VP and population count for some.
- South East Asia : destroy allied navies so as to be free to island hop (marine conquests) and push south so that I did not need to worry about counter-attack in the North and could use troops directly on the front line.

It worked OK against the US and quite well in Indonesia (especially through heavy fighter reconaissance). It worked well in Micronesia but did not work out at all in China. I really though China would be an underdog (I had played this scenario only as the US before) and either it is not or Chrisius did a brilliant job or a mixture of both reasons.
I made three mistakes as well : 1/ I did not think I could use conscription 2/ I forgot completely to bomb natural resources (thought Allied had too many for me to do anything which was a stupid move (or absence of move)) 3/ forgot to protect my only source of oil (which prevented rom building light tanks for many turns).

Middle :
my aim with China was to trick it into a bait at KaiFeng so that China would use up its troop there, allowing me to mass troops and make a fast counter-attack (I expected little garrissons behind the front line). China took the bait but definitely not as I had expected. Since I forgot I could draft, did not think he could/would. So I was really panicked when I started seeing apparently endless waves of Chinese conscripts who of course run over some strong but too few defenses and started to get promoted. And he did that in both the North and the South (which I had not planned and definitely did not want). Most of my Air troops were then busy against the US except a very few one for reconnaissance, air defense (I thought he would have more planes so I wasted production in flak units !!) or to bomb one or two troops, not 20 or 30 !!!!
It is just then I realized I could draft units but it was too late. I had two only alternatives to defeat. Keep some of his troops busy in the southern China harbors where my marines could "fix" him and deliver medium tanks to my soldiers, troops that could both resist to his draftees and medium tanks and counter-attack while my draftees hardly could. I just needed some time and draftees bought this time for me and Chrisius might have felt over-confident then. Then it was time for me to be over-confident because I lost another army at TaiYuan (medium tanks) but I had retaken Beijing and KaiFeng, and especially two artillery divisions !!! that I did not protect enough (they sure helped my medium tank army to die) but that remained eventually mine. Making him focus on one action allowed me to launch some preserved light tanks for a bltizkrieg along the "Blue river" (but that happened right after VP victory, one turn too late).
USA were blocked pretty fast. Rather than trying to bomabrd the mainland, I focused on his navy so that he would need some turns to gather a real fleet ready to cross the Pacific.
Against the Dutch, well, I had no idea some cities were empty and even with battles, it was more or less the both luck and chance factors while hoping from island ot island in an opportunistic way. I don't think the Dutch had much to defend themselves although they proved more resilient and sneaky (here it is a praise) than I had expected.
My dealings with the Commonwealth changed gradually because of the Chinese affairs. First I aimed for SIngapore then Burma, but soon enough affairs in China requested most of my troops so I only focused on weakening Singapore and making sure it did not receive airplanes (that was what I feared) but only conscripts from Australia. That was fine with me. As long as I had enough troops (not always the case because of China), I could weaken them then get my draftees promoted "on them" and that was less soldiers to face in Indonesia... Nevertheless, the weight of China forced me to let them recapture Phuket and Rangoon.

That is all for the srategy I tried (and sometimes was forced) to follow with some good results and some very bad.

Some pictures now.

Battle for the reconquest of Beijing (you can see I stacked) Nov 42

December 1942 - the two artillery division that have been heavily fought for.

December 1942 : Hanoi under siege

Jan 43, the map the turn I played (victory before I could actually play my turn).

Victory. VP screen

congrats Lou well done :)

Well done for you too. Once I really thought I would lose all my continental holdings.... You got me real scared there !

this was a good game anyway :)
congratulations Lou!

Well done to all, especially LouLong. I am currently the American player in the Zero pbem and very much congratulate LouLong. Our Japanese counterpart is doing a good job also, but it seems that he must have killed far fewer units, because he has nothing near the VP needed to win and we are already into July 1942.

Out of curiosity, LouLong which Phillipine/Micronesian cities were you able to take?

Philippines : all.
Mircronesia : don't remember ! Look at the following save, though you need to ask one of the Allies for their password to open it. It was my last save and things did not change that much.

The allies all used "midway" as the common password,
but some used a capital "M" and some used the small "m",
so try both.

Version 2 of my TOS scenario will be posted within the next few
days. Do any of you KK players want to reserve a space in the
PBEM game? I will take the Commonwealth this time.

P.S. I have created a short version and a long version of TOS.
For the PBEM we will be playing the short version which is 30
turns and goes from Dec 7, 1941 until Feb. 1943 in 2 week turns.

I'd like to try it.
USA or the Dutch. Not Japan again and I am tired of heavy combat in China (lol) so I would prefer to avoid China as well.


BTW @ EliitMees, the draftees you kept on sending from Singapore allowed me one turn to get two military leaders within the same turn (fortunately I changed the first one to an army immediately !). These two armies full of conscripts helped me lot against China !

So now, tell US, how did your 2 CV escaped?

I really thought I would be ablt to destroy them at a time.

For the records: USA did not do very well in this game...
Loulong managed to destroyed ALL the initial American fleet, except 1 CA and 3 SS. At the end of game, the US fleet, was reduced to 1 CA, 1 BB 1 CV and 3 SS.
So the Japanese really did won the naval war.

Thanks guys for the great game :goodjob: , much learned. Thanks to Lou
for the strategy plans, very interesting and the screenshots :cool: . The
U.S. navy was really smashed :eek: and China put up a Tough fight :clap: .
Can not wait for your next game :scan: .

How did they escape ? Well they just went to Kwajalein but moved a bit South to do so to avoid a normal straight reconnaissance flighter and I left weakened destroyers behind to keep you busy. After the first turn, I was safe from your air force but otherwise nothing special.

Your fleet should have been destroyed earlier but I made a huge mistake one turn, used some bombers before sending a fighter (he was among the last planes and I thought I had used up all my fighters that turn) that spotted two CA and one CV. But no more bombers movement otherwise...

Edit : BTW now that the game is over, maybe we should let this thread rest in peace ;)

How did they escape ? Well they just went to Kwajalein but moved a bit South to do so to avoid a normal straight reconnaissance flighter and I left weakened destroyers behind to keep you busy. After the first turn, I was safe from your air force but otherwise nothing special.

How did they get there faster than the DD that was chasing them ???