*** GAME FINISHED ***

After a lot of turmoil, England (Rubberjello) wins a decisive victory both by domination and by VPs.

"Grognards" is the pet name Napoleon used to give to his Guard Grenadiers.

Hi, this is the thread for the new PBEM game I plan on starting.

It is for Conquests, using the MP version of the Napoleonic scenario and the patch 1.22.
So you need to have both Conquests and the patch 1.22 installed on your computer.

Civs have been attributed randomly save for Loulong, RJ and Normaland that would draw again if the picked the civ they have in Fionn's Napoleonic game.

Austria
England and allies (Italy, Portugal and Netherlands)
France and allies (Denmark)
Ottomans
Prussia
Russia
Spain
Sweden AI


Players : 8 (Sweden as AI is possible but probably not great in front of the Russian giant).

1. Prussia - EliitMees
2. Russia - Steph
3. France - Caesarian (replaces wwhill)
4. Britain - Rubberjello
5. Spain - Loulong
6. Ottomans - El Oso (replaces Norlamand)
7. Austria - Akots --> Prussia
(Sweden : AI)



You want to be in ? You have further questions ? Post in this thread or send me a PM. If ready to join, send me a PM with your e-mail.

Organization : the game will be called Grognards (Gro) to be recognizable and when you get the game, send a mail to inform the sender you got it.

Doh! Why only 1.20? I thought it had bugs anyway. :p

For the same reasons I stated in the other threads...

guess what? I would like to play this one too :)

I'd like to sign up. Civ preferences Russia, France or England. But if everyone gets random, it is fine with me. Would prefer to have accelerated production off.

Still 4 needed. Come on !

wwhill whitney@internetpeople.net

OK, thanks and sorry for last one but I had to make a choice.
On the other hand, I advise you to either delete your address now (I got it) or to change it so that robots cannot spot it so easily (hence the "weird" spelling of e-mails around).

Mostly at Akots' request but I agree it is worth discussing, I want to ask you what settings you prefer for :

- Accelerated Production (on by default for scenarios which might make it too easy).

- Level (it is quite important in the case of AI but even without AI it concerns happiness and other management issues). By default it is regent. Personally I don't mind setting it at Emperor level but beyond I believe it is rather a waste of energy while our main enemy is actually the other human players. But that is merely my opinion and you are free to say what your preferences are.

Another question : I have successfully upgraded to 1.22 as an alternative so this PBEM can be played with 1.20 or 1.22 provided everybody agree on it (1.22 might attract more players ?)

1.22 vote for me. I have 1.15, 1.20, and 1.22 directories on my PC (s).
The black screen during the production phase bug in 1.20 drives me up the freakin' wall! :mad: :wallbash: :wallbash: :saiyan: Especially if a turn in a PBEM comes around to me once a week and even forget which Civ I am.

Emporer level. (We don't want the AI to be pathetic.)

No Accelerated Production, please.

OK, if nobody complains, we will use 1.22.

And if you know someone who might be interested, it is the moment, only one more player is needed !

Why I'd love to play in another PBEM with my erstwhile Austrian allies. Is there still room?

I'd like to play if there is room.

acubed808@yahoo.com

Sure Normaland. Remember these are two separate games though ;)

Acumed: you applied a few minutes too late but Steph might not join. He confirms ASAP. If he joins, you can still apply for Rise of Rome, otherwise you get the position.

@all : countries have been attributed, randomly. Hope you are happy with what you got. It was random for me too.

I will send the planning mail when I get Steph's confirmation/infirmation.

To bad for Acubed, I confirm. And Russia is my favourite choice :D. Perhaps because I have some Russian blood.

To the Foreign Ministers of Europe:

I, Steph, Prime concellor to His Majesty Alexander I, Czar of all Russias, am very pleased to inform your excellences that the Imperial post services have recently been modernized.
You can contact the Imperial Court through MSN (Moscow Speed Network). Just use stephane.f.david@free.fr as the code on the Carrier Pigeon address ring.

Planning mail sent.

Order of play :

Spain - Loulong
Russia - Steph
France - wwhill
Britain - Rubberjello
Prussia - EliitMees
Ottomans - Norlamand
Austria - Akots
Sweden : AI

Patch 1.22

Level : Emperor

Accelerated Production : off

@ acubed : it is not the same era but you are welcome in the Rise of Rome PBEM. Or can you can lurk around in case someone drops (which I hope not).

GAME STARTED

I regret to inform you that I am going to Russia for the weekend, so I will be away starting Friday afternoon and until Sunday evening. My apologies for slowing the game down for couple of days.

EliitMees has informed me he has started the new correct, English-based game and already sent it to Russia (Steph). Not that I doubt your knowledge of French whatsoever (I was actually very pleased by some answers :) ) but it will probably be more reasonable to use an English-based version.

and Russia has played, it's now in te hand of France

Well...there certainly was a lot of French in that version also! I think I struggled through it OK though. ;)
Sent on to EliitMaas (Prussia)

Hmmmm.....did I play the wrong one? Which one are we playing? The one I got sent wwhill seems to be the original one with a lot of Frech descriptions and the original play order. I don't mind using that one. BTW.

So, the game is stuck somewhere. I always wondered of people who sign up and then don't play even the first turn. At least, don't let other players know they cannot play. Life is a complicated thing and let's just hope that nothing serious happened.

The problem is how to deal with these situations and how to prevent this from happening.

Probably stuck at wwhill's right now. Maybe he is the kind of person who has no access to to computers on week-ends. So we should see on Monday.

About "indelicate" "players" I planned on making a list where every PBEM creator can add the ones he/she has met a list that can then be used to avoid letting these players make others waste time.

Everybody can have a problem once in a while but it is rare one cannot contact anybody to mention it.

Just thinking out loud. What if a thread is created here at CFC with a list of players who are often spotted at holding the game for no apparent reason. Or just to resolve some disputes. We can ask our moderators to make it sticky so that when players with bad reputation sign up, there is an option to consider their reliability. May be it's a bad idea, don't know.

On the bright side, I'm almost positive that wwhill has played his turns. There is an indirect evidence for that. Let's hope it gets running soon.

It could be stuck with Rubberjello since I did not get it. Hope he did not send it to EliitMees... by following the ancient order. But since he said he did not get it from wwhill, I think it is stuck with him.
Remember to say you got the game when you receive it so that the game is not hanging somewhere... in the mail 5th dimension !

About the list, yes, excatly what I had in mind. Of course some might not be happy because they will have the impression of being judged but I think it is worth it. Now we need to let the game play one or two turns so that everything is set before jumping to conclusions to quickly :)

Nope. I never got the game yet. :( If he sent it, please have him try resending it. I doubt it is my email, since it has been performing reliably in about the 12 PBEM games I am participating in.

OK, there seems to be a problem.
Scrap all the saves you might have received or the ones you got after playing, we are gonna do a clean restart.

So consider we are starting from the beginning again.

EliitMees, can you please resend the first turn of the English version you started to Steph and all of you follow in that order, please :

Prussia - EliitMees
Russia - Steph
France - wwhill
Britain - Rubberjello
Spain - Loulong
Ottomans - Norlamand
Austria - Akots --> Prussia
(Sweden : AI)

Thanks all. And sorry for the trouble setting this PBEM up.

Cool! Hope this gets the game going....

first turn sent to Steph :)

Steph to WWhil sent.

Russia is even more corrupted in 1800 than it is supposed to be now...

Game sent to Loulong.
If I have to play turn 1 of the Brits one more time I'll go POSTAL! :ar15: :aargh:

Turn 1 received, played and sent to Norlamand.

Turn 1 played (finished) and sent to EliitMees.

turn 2 started succesfully :)

Russian turn sent to France. Nothing much to report. Winter 1800 is a cold winter, like all Russian winters, so we stay at home watching women knitting socks for our next campaigns

:D (even in Odessa ? :p ).

Winter 1800 is a VERY hard winter ;)

Anybody knows where the game is ?

Since I hven't received it I guess it is with wwhill or Rubberjello. If you have it, please play it ASAP and make it move. If you know of issues with one player, please let me know...

Last I heard of it was the March, 1800 turn sent along to you last Wednesday.

MY mistake. I sento to Normaland on the 6th so it is moving (or blocked) later on the rooster... :blush

Looks like stuck again. I have not received anything.

My last record of this was sending the March, 1800 save to Lou Long way back on May 5'th. Anybody else got a later save than that?

I've made some computation. Due to heavy corruption, I need 100 turns to build a Cossack in the southern cities of the Russian Empire. As we are playing a turn every 3 weeks, I should have my first Cossack built there in about 6 years, real time. :D

I sent it to Normaland on the 6th. Did someone got it after that ?
I have written to Normaland (who is in no hurry for another Napoleonic PBEM we are in). If no reply, well...

I still don't understand why people sign up and then don't play. It is just plain stupid IMO.

Me neither. :-(
Anyway I think the weak link is Ottomans (Normaland) and I have found a replacement for him :
el_Oso el_oso [AT] warofinfamy [DOT] com
I will send him the turn then he can send him to Akots/Prussia.

Awww...cwap! He's (Normaland) in a few of my other PBEMs also. :( :cry:

Turn 2 is finally finished. Played and sent to Eliit (Prussia)!

This is exciting acceleration over the previous turn!

I'm glad to see it running again! [party] [dance]
turn sent to Steph

turn played and sent nothing to report

Recieved the wrong turn (Russia's send to him) from Wwhill. Hopefully he can re-send the soonest. I've got to find out what he did with Milan! ;)

It is with great delight that the Admiral of the Fleet has announced a great victory that has launched the The Sceptered Isle into an age of unprecedented prosperity and productivity. Captain Aubrey of the H.M.S. Surprise did engaged a French Frigate off the North Coast of Spain in early May, 1800, and not only defeated her, but enticed her crew to become our latest Ship of the Line. One can only hope that that dimunitive chamberpot calling himself "emporer" :rolleyes: of France will learn his lesson that there is no challenging the British rule of the seas.

Game sent to Lou long.

Sent to Ottomans (el_Oso).

Turn 3 finished and sent to Eliit.

July 1800 sent to Steph

Played and sent. Nothing to report. Russia has almost nothing to do at the moment. When will a war begin, so we can see some action ;)?

Turn July 1800 played and sent to Eliit.

There is a French cavalry batallion wondering inside Austrian borders. We are not at war and don't have Right of Passage. So, don't know what they are doing in our territory. I assume they are just lost in the hills. If France needs help to find their way out, our scouts can always show the way...

Hmm... There's no French cavalry bataillon, but "Escadron" (squadron) with generally 4 of them in a regiment. So if you see a bataillion, it's probably a fake.

Hmm... There's no French cavalry bataillon, but "Escadron" (squadron) with generally 4 of them in a regiment. So if you see a bataillion, it's probably a fake.

I propose that from now on (since it was not decided at the start), no city can be razed for whatever reason. Of course sometimes cities are destroyed upon capture but that is another matter and not a pb of choice. Since retain culture upon capture is on I believe we should not have that pb anyway.

But how can I burn Moscow to the ground if the French try to invade?

Anyway, I agree with that : no "abandon city". Scorched earth tactic should be limited to destroying all the buildings of a city

Fine with me.

@Steph. They will never make it to Moscow with their current Napoleon. Moreover, it was not razed, just a few parts of the city were burned down. Can be considered as destruction of all improvements.

Yep and Kotuzov did not wipe out the entire population, just the infrastructures. The civ 3 engine is limited since you can replenish troops within any city (unlike SSS with its needed support !).

Yep and Kotuzov did not wipe out the entire population, just the infrastructures. The civ 3 engine is limited since you can replenish troops within any city (unlike SSS with its needed support !).

Played and sent to RJ.

*cough* *Cough* Uhmmm...should be sent to El Oso, not back to me? I forwarded it.

Hmm ! Humm !

Turn July 1800 finished and sent to Eliit as November 1800.

Nov 1800 GPS

Turn Jan-1801 sent to Eliit.

GPS to el_Oso

March 1801 mailed to Eliit.

Any idea where it is now ?
(seems like Napoleonic games have a pb finding their "cruising" rythm...)

I've played and send it to wwhill, he should have received it as he answered the mail.
BTW, I'll be in Germany on businness trip until Friday;, to if you find where it is, expect a chokepoint somewhere in Russia

Have not received anything yet.

GPS to el_Oso

GPS to el_Oso (July 1801)

GPS to el_Oso (Sep 1801)

zzzz.... wwhill ???

OK I don't like to do that but since most players here are fast players and that wwhill delayed us quite often and even now, without any official notice (it is not that hard to keep everyone informed), he is replaced (France) by Caesarian (punkofthewest AT hotmail DOT com). Please send him a mail so that he gets your address and to inform him of current relationships.

I am not happy to have to drop a player but this PBEM could and should run a lot faster and wwhill obviously does not care so much informing us (he only told Steph he was going on vacations) so I made the choice. I hope you guys agree with that decision.

Well, perhaps the fact that both of Frances' starting Armies are now "pushing up tulips" near Amsterdam may have something to do with his lack of enthusiasm! :D

L'empereur et le peuple de la France sont ici pour libérer le peuple de la plus grande France (l'Europe) de leurs chefs tyrant.

The emperor and the people of france are here to free the people of greater france (europe) from their tyrant leaders.

Soyez circonspect de la puissance du Français.

Be wary of the power of the french will.

Hey all so glad to be in a Napoleonic PBEM ....It looks like u r all a bunch of good guys...Hope to see ur countries fall.

GPS to El Oso.

Beware, Napoleon, don't declare war on everyone all at once ! lol

Mar 1802 sent to el Oso !

May 1802 sent to el Oso.

That's what I call good pace :goodjob:

Yes, but it seems every government is controlling the press tightly. I'm not sure this thread is as interesting as the one for Pacific, at least to lurkers.

Maybe you can launch the movement. You SURE have a lot of interesting infos lol !

Me? Nothing happens in Russia. A few thugs are being hunted by Russian Cossacks in Kaliningrad and Formerberlingrad, the two westernmost cities of the Russian empire. That's all...

There are rumors that Russia has RoP raped poor Prussia. Which is not a nice behavior btw. Unless these rumors are wrong, Austria cancels all diplomatic relationships with Russia. But would try to remain at peace atm. :)

I am going on vacation tomorrow and will be back on 12 July. My apologies for slowing the game down.

My dear Austrian emperor,

It is strange that you accuse Russia to have raped Prussia, when your self send Austrian troops in southern Prussia. Is it to backstab Prussia, before we negociate a peaceful agreement to solve the slight misunderstanding we have just had? Is it to prevent Russian troops to move toward your country?
Or perhaps you are not trying hard enough to remain at peace? Or do they simply enjoy the beautiful scenery there?

The mission of our troops is to harass the Russians out of Berlin which rightfully belongs to Prussia and to restore the justice and decent behavior to Europe. Since Austrian army is strong compared to Russian atm, you got to be running away already. :lol:

Oh, yes, of course. In that case Russian troops will move immediately. You can go back to Austria, mission accomplished.
Oh, and BTW, how do you remove the blood from your pretty white uniforms?
I propose you something. Let's the Russians army killed some Austrian troops, and then show me how you clean the coats. I'll pay you 1 gold for this fabulous new discovery. Deal?

GPS to el_Oso

OK, here is the correspondence between Us, the Emperor of Austria, and the Alexander I, Czar of all Russians. E-mail addresses have been suppressed so that they cannot be collected by a bot.

From "Steph" <...>
To: "'Akots'" <...>
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:20:16 +0200
Subject: RE : PBEM Napoleon
Dear Emperor Habsburg of Austria,
My goal was indeed to keep everything secret until it is to late for our
ennemy to react. We will prepare the Imperial army until we are both
ready to destroy the evil Ottomans in one single blow.
-----Message d'origine-----
From : Akots
Date : mardi 20 avril 2004 15:22
To : Steph
Objet : Re: PBEM Napoleon
To My Noble Cousin Alexander I
From Emperor Habrburg of Austria

With greetings to my royal relative:

It was a great honor to receive the letter from you. I do completely
agree with certain points of political outline of the current situation.
Austria is the key to Europe. Our military is strong and we can defend
our land from any attack, be it France, Prussia, or Ottoman. The might
of Russian army is also well-known. I would then agree to a
non-aggression pact for at least the first 50 turns of the game and this
can be extended to a mutual protection pact. MPP can be accepted on a
condition that Russia would not wage an aggressive war against Prussia
and limit the conquest ambition with Sweden and Ottoman Empire. Austria
then guarantees the help in war against the Ottoman Empire provided that
it is started at least after 30 turns. Regarding research, I would try
to reveal the mysteries of Nationalism ASAP. Rough estimate shows that
it may take about 15-17 turns. As soon as you discover some other
technology, I can guarantee fair trade of Nationalism to that other
technology based on actual cost of technologies as found in the editor.
As I have stated above, our military is strong and France would not dare
to attack Austria during the first 50 turns but would rather seek our
alliance against Britain. There is no need for us to send your troops
through our territory at the present time. Also, any agreement we would
reach must remain confidential between our parties and not disclosed.
The only exception is the case when one of the parties defaults under
this agreement. Then, it may be disclosed.

Please inform me if these terms are acceptable.

Emperor Habsburg.

-----Original Message-----
From: "Steph" <...>
To: <...>
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:48:26 +0200
Subject: PBEM Napoleon
> To the Emperor of Austria
>
> Neither of our country is part of any alliance yet, we must decide
> where we will put the might of our armies. Russia is opened to several

> options. For the moment, the biggest threat to us are the Ottomans.
> They threaten our southern flank, and can have powerfull armies later
> in the game. They are also one of the bigger threat to Austria, as the

> Ottomans can exapnd only toward your territory or mine.
>
> France is not a major threat to you for the moment, it should be to
> busy with other countries. Prussia can decide to side with the French
> against you...
>
> I hereby propose a secret alliance between our two countries. The
> goals would be :
> - to exchange technologies so we can keep and advantage over the other

> countries
> - to attack Ottomans as soon as we are ready. I agree to let you the
> biggest part of the country, as I have Sweden to expand to.
> - to protect each other against any Prussian initiative.
>
> I'm also ready to send an expeditionnary corp to help you should the
> French decide to attack.
>
> Alexander I, Czar of all Russias

This make the whole idea clear IMO. If Alexander I believes that this game can be won by treachery, broken deals, dishonesty, and indecent behavior, We, the Emperor of Austria and all Our People would try to show that this is a wrong thing to do.

To continue diplomatic relationship with Russia and to make any deals would be madness for any players of the current game be it France or any other country.

1- Correspondance in the first month is irrelevant, as there was no way to determine in what direction the wind will blow, so obviously test offers of alliance will be sent to everybody to probe for reaction.
2- The initial Russian plan has always been to invade Prussia. Russian allies have always been aware of that (ask the Swedes! We did tell them;)). But given your initial answer, obviously it was necessary to use deception to avoid early Austrian interference.
3- Thanks for the proof your plan were to attack the Ottoman empire. It has never been the Russian plan, except in your mind. And we proved it by action instead of words.
4- I know Austrians are lazy, so if you want so spend 60 months (5 years!) doing nothing, it's your problem. Russian cossacks were eager for action.
5- Do you really think the petty Austrian Emperor can dictate a time schedule to the mighty Czar of all Russias? Russia will attack where and when it see fits.

But in our great magnificence, we are ready to pardon you and let you leave in peace, for the time being.

WHATS the hold up?

Status check:
Played, sent to Loulong, and he Acknowledged on July 5'th. I think someone is on vacation???

EliitMees, until 12th of July (see post above)

I'm back!

September 1802 sent to Steph

GPS to El_Oso.

Apparently two large wars :
England + Spain against France
Russia against Austria + Prussia.

Russia against Prussia and Austria is a minor border conflict, not a large war at the moment

Russia against Prussia and Austria is a minor border conflict, not a large war at the moment

For you maybe but I am not sure EliitMees consider FormerBerlingrad a border city ! :lol:

Why? It's in the suburbs of St Petersburg :confused:

lol did he rename Berlin into Berlingrad? ahahahaha

Formerberlingrag!
Koenigsburg is now Kaliningrad, and Danzig is Gdansk

A drunk Austrian Grenzer was wondering in the suburbs of Berlin. He then suddenly disappeared without leaving a note. He might have actually provoked a war of Russia and Frnace against poor Austria. Did anybody see him? Just wondering who got the guy? Russia, France, or Spain?

I would remind that sending or posting battle logs is part of the fun in the game. So, please, do not spoil the fun at least for me. :)

Since nobody has confessed in murder of Austrian Grenzer, I consider that the save has been edited by somebody who played before me to remove him from the map.

There was a lot of of Prussian rogues roaming the suburbs of Formerberlingrad recently. Perhaps they have something to do with that.

Or it could be a Spanish paratrooper. :D

I can swear on our most respected holy cross there are NO Spanish paratroopers in Prussia !

Then it's perhaps a Swedish modern armor :p

Anyway, a courrier from the Czar's post office has been send to Vienna with some news

Is somebody else on vacation? I'm back from mine, :D , and was kinda wondering where this stood. My last record of it was being sent out on 7/13 to Loulong (Sep, 1802)

My turns we played and dispatched to Eliit on 7/14.

The last turn I received from Eliit Mees was the 15 at 11:25, and I send the next one to Ed Lemieux the 15 at 13:30.

The last turn I received from Eliit Mees was the 15 at 11:25, and I send the next one to Ed Lemieux the 15 at 13:30.

I contacted Caesarian. Apparently the mail was lost between him and RJ. He is sending it again.

GPS to el_Oso
:)

Next turn played and sent to Eliit.

We discovered some signs at the entrance of the city between Formerberlingrad and Gdansk were not spelled correctly. It has been corrected to Stettingrad.

GPS to el_Oso

GPS to El_Oso

Where's the saved game?

If you have all lose any hope to win due to the evident Russian superiority, Russia is ready to accept unconditional surrender.

Last turn I handled was on 7/25 March 1803. Have not received anything since then. Must be with El_OSO or lost on the way.

Yep. Last turn I saw was Mar, 1803, But I have it done as having played on 7/26. Since Akots plays after me, something doesn't seem right. Anyway, I did play it and sent it on to Loulong way back then. I can't seem to find an ACK from him, so I'm sending it again.

I got it (and posted about it in the thread). Reforwarded to el_Oso who had some mail-troubles (maybe at that time), or maybe it is Cesarian (hope not).

Yep. Last turn I saw was Mar, 1803, But I have it done as having played on 7/26. Since Akots plays after me, something doesn't seem right.

I'm the last player in the turn and when I save the file, it is the next turn which is then started by Eliit. Can enjoy the observation of the goto orders. So, everything seems to be OK with that. :)

whats the hold up?

EliitMees send me again March 1803 today, resent to Ed Lemieux (France).

Ed sent this same turn on to me today. I had already sent this turn onto Loulong, who had already confirmed he played that turn, so it is definitely after Loulong where the problem lies.

The problem has been figured out and the game of March-1803 played. Then, the game May-1803 was sent to Prussia. I would again try to remind that sending battle logs would be very nice. :)

It is polite behavior IMvHO. We are not some stupid AI after all.

May 1803 turn played and send to France.

England and Russia now have a common border near Hannoverostock :eek:

And Prussia is cut in 3.

Battle log send to Prussia, the only one who needs it.

The Spanish frontier guards are preparing welcoming vodkas for their Russian friends who could be at our gates quite soon apparently.

Do you plan to invade France up to Francfort?

Russia doesn't plan to expand further, we just want to bring back the rebellous Prussians in our great empire.

No, I just thought you would come visiting and sunshining.

New turn started (May 1803).

edit : seems to be a pb with el_Oso's mail so I post the save here.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Grogpic001.jpg

I don't understand why France is also picking poor Prussia's corpse. It seems they have much more dangerous problems close to home!

My comp is ****ed up real bad...so i will be formating it soon........so i will be unabal to play civ for the next 2 to 3 days( i have a bizy week sorry)...if worst comes to worst i should be abal to play come monday......sorry. :sad:

Prussian territory cut in 4 parts with the capture of Leipzigrad by Russian Cossacks. Poor Prussian conscripts cannot stand the permanent flow of Russian Cossacks and their hit / withdraw / rest tactics. Always fresh troops are coming.

Yep, must agree with our Royal relative King of England and etc. and Great Britain. Recently, Napoleon has not been apparently sober while dispatching orders to his troops. Three poor Austrian grenzers wanted to take a walk in the vicinity of Milan and accidentally crossed the river and appeared near Turin. The innocent folks were mercilessly slaughtered apparently by angry French infantry. No battle report has been presented. So, I assume they guys were just killed because they are not understanding French very well hence could not reveal their identity apart from being dressed in the uniform. :)

Indeed, while investigating the area, our glorious Hussars have found that French infantry and killed them in return.

Seriously, behavior of Napoleon does not make sense at all. His army is losing cities to Britain and France instead of fighting back tried to attack our pitiful force as well as Prussia. In chess, this is called co-operative game. When one side succumbs to another by a pre-negotiated mechanism.

@Napoleon: Are you a friend of Britain of their enemy? Why you help them so much to win the game?

Eh now! You're selling the British a bit short, aren't you? The valor of our Household Cavalry troops have resulted in devastating charges and great gains in France. If Napoleon had kept his troops home, the results would have been the same, with just a few more losses on both sides. To accuse France of throwing the war dishonors all the fallen on both sides!

On a side note...This game is stalled again????? :mad:
How about calling it a victory for England and Russia and burying this sucker (deeply)?

Last turn I got was May 1803.

Looks like the game is stalled. I have already played May-1803 and sent to Eliit to start July-1803 turn. I will attach the file to this post, just in case.

If somebody is confused over which turns they played and which the did not, I suggest creating a spreadsheet in Excel for the purpose of recordkeeping and storing all the save files. :)

July has been played by Russia and sent to France

I have asked Caesarian directly if his computer is OK. He might be the problem...

Just checking in here. I will be taking over for the French. Even without receiving the save it looks like it's a tough situation for the French. I will honor any and all agreements that you have with the French so I don't throw the game out of balance. So if you have an agreement with France send me an e-mail at greeneclan AT mchsi DOT com and we can talk.

Yes, there was an agreement. France was to give all its cities to Russia next turn ;)

Is it moving again ?

I have never seen it yet.

You didn't received my email with the turn? Argh, I'll send it again this evening

I tried to send the saved game again, but I get an error message saying the email account is blocked for abuse :confused:

That's very weird. I have never had that problem before. My e-mail is greeneclan AT mchsi DOT com

If that doesn't work, post the save here.

Maybe something new with your email account? Hopefully not, but I'm wondering why Kaboth isn't sending the Fastgame on for quite a while...

Email doesn't work

Telle me when you get the file, so I can delete it

Ok, I d/l it but can somebody send me the password? Or the admin password?

You must ask EliitMees for it (he launched the game).

That's very weird. I have never had that problem before. My e-mail is greeneclan AT mchsi DOT com

If that doesn't work, post the save here.

Just zip the save. The unzipped often bounces off that e-mail address. :)

same punishment when I mailed the zip...

admin password sent to DogBoy

Concerning sending admin password to replacement players... I think it would be useful to make 1 turn quarantine between droped player and a replacement player when you send a game and admin password to some one who is not participating in that game to overrule the old password and to play only one turn. Then the "quarantine player" will send the game to the next player in queue and new password to the replacement player.

This is good idea, but why don't we just trust each other?

This is good idea, but why don't we just trust each other?

Because it may become something like Eylau, Austria recieved Russia's turn from Ottomans :mischief: , Russia recieved Austria's turn :mischief: and now the game is dead :sad:

Got it! Sent it on to Loulong. It was a little tough figuring out what I was doing after what? 5-6 weeks? :rolleyes: :crazyeye:

New turn started !!!

Turn sent to Eliit. Let's move it. :)

The mighty Russian army has captured Posen.

Prussia has only 3 cities left.

I upload the save here, as France's email address still doesn't work

got it here

GPS to Ottomans (el_Oso)

The Russians still have the same number of cities than last turn :(

Oh, for those who think Russia is evil because of the border disagreement with Prussia, hee he's a witness of our generosity and kindness

Sweden is evil too - they also have "border disagreement" with Prussia
;)

Battle Report:
Killed 1 Volt and 1 Cav at Limoges with no losses.
Killed 2 Volts and captured Belfort.

Attention all: The leader of the Spanish is an untrustworthy and backstabbing scoundrel!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

After giving him 3 cities as bribery for him to eventually go to war with France, he never fired a single shot at them, and just signed an MPP with them and is now at war with the British.

Soooo....Loulong. Do you EVER complete a PBEM without stabbing someone in the back? I can't think of one...

:lol:

Well, he did, it was Rivers of Blood. Just have to keep a careful watch and put all deals in writing. :)

IIRC, we had a solid deal in RoB and next turn after it expired, the game ended. But Loulong had a few units in my territory "travelling and going to attack Inca". They never came to the Inca and impaled themselves on the spears of Mayan silent hunters right on that last turn. But it was fun!

I also made peace with Spain and Spain had MPP with Russia. So, I attacked Russian city of Leipzig and we were at war again next turn. :lol:

@RJ: If you want to play a "decent" game without backstabbing and with strict rules, come to CDZ.

I also made peace with Spain and Spain had MPP with Russia. So, I attacked Russian city of Leipzig and we were at war again next turn. :lol:

LeipzigRAD, try to use correct spelling!

New turn started

@ RJ : yes, I will NEVER backstab you in CeD (he is Persia and I am Macedonia lol).
I think some countries in Grognards could find me trustworthy (that strategy was advised by wwhill as the first French player because you threatened to autoraze your Portuguese cities). But is it my fault if you are eating France alive and threatening to win over everything soon ? Spain is a poor lonely country and must do its best to survive in this world of powerful monsters. If we can't rely on force, we must use some cunning. But due to the fact war became effective before my turn, I did not attack you at all this turn. Consider this a formal declaration of war. At least you know I did not support France with techs, gold or resources during that time. A bargain I'd say ;-)
And I have NOT backstabbed you in AoD, RoR, water (BTW can you send me a mail with the ongoing deals you had with Tweedledee), Seafaring....

@ Akots : why "decent" ? I told everyone at the beginning this scenario is indeed THE scenario for changes of alliances, treachery,... Even the computer breaks military treaties and reverse alliances, can't we humans be a bit more cunning.
And about RoB I went down to attack the Incas then because of the absence of RoP my troops were so slow that when they arrived there the geopolitical situation had changed drastically and you were the one on top (and at an alarming speed) so I just had to go back and tried to declare when I was out of your territory so no backstabbing at all (at least in my mind !).
About peace between Spain and Austria. the pb is when you get the diplomatic screen you haven't had the chance of looking at the situation so I just thought since you knew Russia and I had an MPP you had made peace with Russia before. Since you hadn't it is perfectly normal (and LOYAL) I redeclare when you attack my ally.

I am back if u guys want me????

@Loulong: I just get more fun from the game when I try to hold to my word. That way you can see if you were able to design the human diplo in the right way or in the wrong way. IMO, in most cases it turns out just fine. But I'm rather tolerant to backstabbing. It is fun also. :)

And whatever Austria or Spain do in this game, we are obviously unable to win. :lol:

First, there is backstabbing and backstabbing.

If you ally secretly with some countries, and plan from the start to lure your ennemy in a trap, then it's not really backstabbing. If you change side right in the middle of the game, then it's backstabbing.

For the moment, it seems the alliances have been relatively trustworthy in fact.

And Akots, you can still win. You just have to invade all of English, Russian and Ottomans cities. It should be enough.

January 1804 played. Almost nothing happened in the Russian part of the "world".

got the save.

British Offensive stalls outside of Lyons. Stiff French resistence encountered! It seems that loser Napoleon has finally found some backbone (and tons of conscripted French farmboys!) :crazyeye:
Limoges fell fairly easily though!
The British are still confused about Russia though. Every month for the last 2 years, they have been offering Peace, only to declare war against us the next day because of some idiotic Mutual Protection Pack they signed with France a long time ago??? Are they just confused, or not trustworthy in their protestations of peace towards Britain?

IT has something to do with several countries at war at the same time, and coordinating the peace I'm afraid.

New turn started

By the way, Francfort being in the Russian protectorate of Prussia, it would be unpleasant to see it turn red.

:lol: English must be completely out of their minds trying to make peace with Russia. I suggest they make RoP also and let a dozen cossacks to house in the suburbs of London. :)

Turn sent to Eliit. Brave Austrian Hussars came to aid to our British allies and captured the city of Lyons from the French usurper. Big party in Vienna!

:lol: English must be completely out of their minds trying to make peace with Russia. I suggest they make RoP also and let a dozen cossacks to house in the suburbs of London. :)

Brave Austrian Hussars came to aid to our British allies and captured the city of Lyons from the French usurper. Big party in Vienna!
Dear king of England, thank you for invinting a dozen cossacks to house in the suburbs of London. But I'm afraid I will have to decline the invitation. They are already invited to a Big Party in Vienna.

March 1804

got the save

New turn started.

The map is turning red, indeed, blood red !

Russian May save. Still nothing in Russia land.

The map is not only red, there's a lot of white to!

But the blue (light and dark) is becoming a rare thing.

To all: I finally got my computer up and running. It had a problem that made the computer constantly reboot and there was nothing I could do. I had to wipe my hard drive and reinstall Windows XP. I am currently downloading all patches, drivers, and reinstalling all my programs. I should be able to play again real soon. Thanks for being patient.

New turn started

Now where did it stall ?

Who did NOT get the newest turn ?

I didn't.
The last turn I played was May 1804 on 16th September

I didn't get the newest turn.

My last record shows playing the May, 1804 turn and sending it on to Loulong, who GPSd it on 9/25.

Last turn I played was on 9/15 which has been sent to Eliit and which he played. Not turn received since then. This leaves El_OSO sitting on the save apparently. :)

@Loulong: can you resend the turn or even post it here? Lets get this game moving finally...

Turn sent to Eliit. Please, to all ppls, stop sitting on the save. We can make it at 1 turn in 3-4 days IMO. And if we all can post here GPS, that would ease the pain and suffering of this game. :)

Turn sent to Evil Russians :)

Damn! The save gets lots again, there are no evil Russians in that game.

July Russian turn. Nothing spectacular. But Russians don't like to fight in summer

New turn started

Turn sent to Eliit-in-hiding.

Warsaw has been liberated from the occupation of the evil Germanic hordes of the Austrian emperor. Many Cossacks died in the battle, but it was worth it. In respect of your slavic Polish brothers, the city has not be renamed.

The map has less and less blue it seems

A lot less blue :(

To celebrate the 200th turn, a great piece of news !

Djebel al Tarik, aka Gibraltar is back under Spanish sovereignty. People welcomed us with all their wealth. Kind, isn't it ?

I'm leaving Sunday morning for a 5 days business trip in Egypt.

If you want to play one more turn before I come back (Friday), hurry up!

The city of Leipzig has been captured from Russian invaders. Prussian citizens cheer up when they join the Glorious Holy Austrian Empire!

No Russian offensive this month, nothing to report

The Spanish army is still celebrating and undertook no action this moth (albeit evil red-coated men have been seen chasing women along the Pyrenees).

New turn started :-)

The Spanish army is still celebrating and undertook no action this moth (albeit evil red-coated men have been seen chasing women along the Pyrenees).
Hey! At least we don't chase sheep, like the cowardly, sniveling, depraved, Spanish do! :p

Austrian Supreme Command Headquarters are pleased to report a number of victories over the Russian troops this turn.

A group of invaders including guard and 4 cossack detachments were surrounded and eliminated near Lvov.

Another important victory was won during the battle for Berlin where glorious Austrian Hussars have eliminated a Russian army which was trying to defend the city.

January ready for play.

The Austrian may have destroyed a tiny par of the Russian army near Lvov.

However, in Berlin the Russians are the only one standing after the fight.

The Austrian lost 3 hussars and 2 grenzers to kill one jager and a damaged army... I wonder what they will do when facing a real powerfull Russian force.

Here is the next save. France is doing nothing at the moment, but they do have big plans!

They will invade China, and then with all the manpowers, they'll take back Paris :eek:

New turn started

Not much to report. The Russians chase same Austrian terrorists near Berlin... Otherwise, nothing. But it's not a surprise, Russia is a peaceful country :mischief:

New turn started

Red, white, Green : are these the three main colors of the world ?

Between the yellow of Spain and the yellow of Ottoman, yellow still has some future ahead of it. I'm not so sure about white... It should become greener and greener :p

Speaking of yellow....when are the pacifist Ottomans going to come out of their slumber and participate on the world stage?

They have a huge cannons and Sipahis army which is admiring the scenery in the Russo Austro Ottoman border.

Another city has been liberated from Russian oppressors. The citizens of Poznan' cheer up when they join the Holy Empire in their crusade against the infidel intruders.

Leipzig taken back. Again.
Austria lost 3 grenzers and 3 hussars this month.

*Sigh* It seems the Spaniards did not learn from the crushed French about who owns the seas...
The British Mediterranean Fleet found a Spanish Frigate and 3 Transports skulking off of Sicily and sank all 4 of them, while losing 1 Privateer and "capturing" a Man o' War. The fleet noticed some stranded Spanish units in North Africa, and bared their buttocks at them as they sailed away for repairs and refits. Meanwhile, in the Atlantic, a Spanish scout? Frigate was easily captured and converted into the newest Man o' War in the English fleet.
A Spanish conscript in the Pyrennees was killed.

The Spanish allies- the Russians - also were punished this turn. 3 conscripts were killed and the towns of Hamburg and Hanover were taken.

:-((((
New turn started

This turn Russian troops suffered another major defeat. The city of Berlin has been reunited with Great Empire and citizens greeted their liberators with flowers. Hussars were especially wellcome by female population of Berlin which inspired them onto more heroic battles.

Total of 3 Jaeger, 4 Cossack and 1 Guard regiments were butchered by Austrian sabers. Fragments of their bodies were scattered all around the area to provide nutrition for the upcoming crops in the fields.

:bump: Soo......who's sitting on the game?

No idea. I don't have it.

Don't remember getting GPS from Eliit, will resend the turn to him just in case.

Oops... I sent the battle logs, but I forgot to upload the save!

The city of Leipzig has been liberated (for the second time)! And two cannons in it captured. Turn sent to Prussian government in excile. But we all hope they can soon return to Berlin and resume normal life there!

The city of Leipzig has been liberated (for the second time)!
Isn't it the thrid?

The mighty Russian army captured half of the Prussian cities in one turn :eek:

The coward Turks are fleeing Russia after their first battle with our troops, where they suffer many loses.

Any battle log to Austria by chance?

New turn started

Spain is slowly eating into the English giant... :p

Any battle log to Austria by chance?
No activity on your front. If you lose troops, it's the evil English who betrayed you.

Turn sent to Prussia. Two cities were liberated this turn: Warsaw and Stettin.

supposedly the last prussian turn sent to our occupants

Whe the last turn? Russia doesn't want to destroy Prussia. We plan to create a zoo in southern Sweden to preserve this almost exctint race.

Oh, by the way, it seems the Ottomans suffered some unplanned difficulties when invading Russia.

There army has been destroyed in Chisinov.

Another Naval victory in the Mediterranean!
The British engaged two Spanish frigates and a troop carrier. By the time the smoke had cleared, the Frigates had been sunk and the Troop carrier converted to a new Man 'o War, although the British did lose one Man o' War in the action.

Turn sent to Prussia.

Unfortunately, the douma decided not to give the credit for the founding of our zoo in southern Sweden. The Prussians have been wiped out from the face of the earth. Unfortunately, the latest ones are now interbreeding with the Austrians and the British. What kind of monsters will appears from these horrors :eek:
Let's hope Russian stocks in Gdansk and Kaliningrad can save something.

New turn started.

@Steph : lol
albeit the English want to do to me what you have done to the Prussians which is less funny (to me).

Next turn dispatched to St Petersburg. Since Prussian government is no more. :sad:

Everything is quite in the East...

Dear Austrian emperor, if your goal was really to free Prussia, why didn't you give back Berlin, Leipzig, etc. to Prussia why they still had a government?

*Sigh* We've killed so many Spanish Conscript units in the mountains of Southern France, that we are running out of Musket Balls! Spain must have been drafting every turn since the beginning!

... Dear Austrian emperor, if your goal was really to free Prussia, why didn't you give back Berlin, Leipzig, etc. to Prussia why they still had a government?

They were offered the said cities but refused since they would be unable to defend them.

Emperor Habsburg of Austria and Prussia

New turn started

England troops are in Spain. And I believe they mean to stay.

Go away you fools or your skin will look like your uniforms, your skins cannot stand our glorious Mediterrenean sun !

Well, I guess time has come for Spain to pay for ... for what? Ah, never mind ... Just remembered there was some treachery and backstabbing talk.

wzll, it's not treason. There was a France Russia Spain Sweden alliance from the start. Unfortunately,the Frenc crumbled way to early. Anything else was deceiving, not treason, we have all been faithfull to our true alliance.

Turn sent to Petrograd or wherever the Csaz is hiding.

I have only one word to say: "Glups!"

New turn started

Any movement there? Have not seen the game is a week already. We have less players, so it should be faster. Alas, stuck again.

Well. It isn't Britain's fault. Loulong's post above is the turn that I gave him. Someone who goes after Spain but before Austria would be the Ottoman player, correct?