View Full Version : New Govt Icons


Rufus T. Firefly
Apr 22, 2004, 04:00 PM
There are some new govt that modders can use:


Absolute monarchy / Constitutional monarchy / Jacobin republic

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/prova.jpg

Download them! (original thread) (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=83866)


Left govs:
Socialism / Bolshevism / Stalinism (?) / Communism

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/left1.jpg

Download Socialism! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85374)
Download Bolshevism! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=85576)
Download Stalinism! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1608527#post1608527)
Download Communism! (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/falce.zip)


Right govs:
Imperialism / Totalitarianism / Fascism / Fascism (2) / Military junta

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/right1.jpg

Download Imperialism! (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/imperialism.zip)
Download Totalitarianism! (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/totalitarism.zip)
Download Fascism! (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/fascism.zip)
Download Fascism (2)! (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/propaganda.zip)
Download Military junta (2)! (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/military.zip)


Misc. govs:
Federalism / Theocracy / Presidentialism / Federalism (2)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/misc.jpeg

Download Federalism! (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/federal.zip)
Download Theocracy! (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/theocracy.zip)
Download Presidentialism! (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/president.zip)
Download Federalism (2)! (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/fed.zip)

Ukas
Apr 22, 2004, 04:59 PM
Originally posted by Rufus T.Firefly
Imperialism (strange, it's similar to Imperialism game ;))



Odd indeed! :lol: Fine Govt icons!

Dann
Apr 22, 2004, 08:29 PM
For some reason, your Imperialism and Totalitarianism icons appeal to me sooooo much. :lol: I must be crazier and more dangerous than I thought. :crazyeye:

tjedge1
Apr 23, 2004, 05:34 AM
I love these. The first 3 will at least fit in my mod. Thanks.

Ankka
Apr 23, 2004, 05:35 AM
Nice one. :goodjob:

Point13
Apr 23, 2004, 07:11 AM
great, but Bolshevism isn't a government... it was just a group of communists who revolted and started the USSR

MinosTheBlack
Apr 25, 2004, 05:46 PM
I think he's making a government based on the idealologies of that political party (Bolshevik Party). Not sure where the term Bolshevism comes in here as a government . Basicly it was a tight organization of proffessional revolutionaries. I guess it could be made into government. Based on the Socialist ideas of Lenin. which in turn led to Soviet Russia. Again it was never really a government.

nice job though anyway! keep up good work

Sims2789
Apr 25, 2004, 08:21 PM
just curious, what program did you use and how long did each one take to make? good work, by the way.

Rufus T. Firefly
Apr 26, 2004, 02:09 AM
Originally posted by Sims2789
just curious, what program did you use and how long did each one take to make? good work, by the way.

Poser 4.

Alfonso
Apr 29, 2004, 12:08 PM
The socialism icon is very good!

Great work, Rufus T.Firefly ;)

W.i.n.t.e.r
Apr 29, 2004, 05:54 PM
How about fascism with the hand grabbing the globe real tight from above (i.e. burrying its fingers into earth) ?

W.i.n.t.e.r
Apr 29, 2004, 05:55 PM
Forgot to say: Cool - Cooler - Rufus !!! ;)

Hygro
Apr 29, 2004, 06:48 PM
BAHAHA I just noticed where you got the world maps from...

Risk :D

W.i.n.t.e.r
Apr 30, 2004, 06:50 AM
Originally posted by Hygro
BAHAHA I just noticed where you got the world maps from...

Risk :D

Imperialism, anyone ??

el_presidentse
Apr 30, 2004, 11:58 AM
Ehh, in my non-studied opinion, he got the idea for the Imperialism graphic from the game, but not the graphic, which I recall being rather different.

VERY nice graphics, and a distinction between bolshevism and socialism is neat.

Given the nature of the two forms of government through history, I'd say that Bolshevism would probably be lots better at war and, if possible, with some bonus to production (maybe a building, call it Labor Camp, exclusively available to them? and a wonder which gives one in all continental cities -- Five Year Plan?) and so forth, as well as good worker efficiency. Tradeoff is possibly some kind of Despotism-style cap on commerce and non-'communal' corruption issues. Forced labor.

Socialism, on the other hand, would get something to raise happiness -- I haven't fiddled with the engine enough to know what, I'm afraid -- and the Democracy-style bonus to trade. The tradeoff is that they get war weariness fast and hard and culture flips are more likely (if this is possible -- due to the nature of Socialism, the government would have moral issues keeping people within their borders who didn't want to be). Communism-style corruption, only lower. Paid labor.

The idea is Bolshevism being the ideal government for a country that wants to build a productive nation out of nothing, and Socialism being a sort of super-Democracy.

Totalitarianism would obviously be a Fascism replacement. And Imperialism? Hmm. Maybe reduced rates of corruption due to distance, but the Fascism-style cultural hangup?

Rufus T. Firefly
Apr 30, 2004, 02:48 PM
Yes, the world use the Risk map (now I have found some other old world map).

@Winter:

I think that you can use Totalitarianism icon, or not? If I make a new one with a world, I think that they would be too similar. But I'm thinking some other idea, not fear!

@El Presidente:
Imperialism could be a commercial gov for great civs, but with great corruption (on colonies)...

Rufus T. Firefly
Apr 30, 2004, 05:57 PM
Why make a new one when it's already made? :crazyeye:

This is from my older DyP icon pack...

Rufus T. Firefly
May 01, 2004, 03:54 AM
EDIT: added new gov (the last what would be? It's my old socialism...).


... and happy labour day!

el_presidentse
May 01, 2004, 06:15 AM
Hoorah for may day.

New ones are nice (although I'm a little bewildered by what would separate totalitarianism and fascism except semantics? :confused: )

Re. federalism: The EU is an okay example, but the Iroquois were the ones who came up with the idea of a nation of nations, so Iroquois symbolism with regards to the government would serve a bit more justice to the subject (besides, we persnickety Westerners get all the screen time on these sorts of things as is!)

Possible things include the 'long house' idea -- the Seneca in the west being one 'door' of the long house they metaphorically lived in, the Mohawk in the east being the other; then there's the bundle of arrows idea -- the way the legend goes (obviously there's little telling if this is true or not, but the same goes for most of what happened before the scientific revolution), Hiawatha made a point about the strength of union with seven arrows. One he broke swiftly with his bare hands, but six bound together were impossible to break so easily. Maybe one broken arrow and six bound by string or something?

The Theocracy symbol is particularly excellent, IMO, because it incorporates symbolism that's concretely tied to one culture (and hey, what isn't? Even light from the sky wouldn't work, being as how the Navajo figured we came from the ground), but at the same time emblematic of what theocracies in general do.

Stalinism is... okay? I've always been somewhat disappointed by the over-profusion of Soviet symbolism for communist things. Why this is so is pretty obvious, but it smacks of determinism. A more industrialized country fallen into dire straits probably wouldn't have gone for a hammer and sickle, being as how those were symbols of industry for the backwoods, of which Russia mostly consisted at that time. I'd imagine that you'd end up with a cross between the NRA logo (thunderbolts and saw) and the old Angolan flag (weapon and gear tread).

Monarchy is all good.

Rufus T. Firefly
May 01, 2004, 06:49 AM
In the day of enlargement of EU, you would that I change the federal icon? :)

For Stalinism, I think that another idea could be DDR.

Fascism and Totalitarianism are similar, but not equal: Tot. could be prerequisite of Fasc. and Com. And this is a Winter request...

truckingpete
May 01, 2004, 04:39 PM
Hey, I was looking for constitutional monarchy..thanks!:D

unscratchedfoot
May 01, 2004, 06:20 PM
Thanks for these interesting gov icons Rufus. I like them all, especially the Republican one for Napoleon because it reminds me of Santa's hat somehow. ;) These are definitely going into my mod.

Rufus T. Firefly
May 02, 2004, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by unscratchedfoot
Thanks for these interesting gov icons Rufus. I like them all, especially the Republican one for Napoleon because it reminds me of Santa's hat somehow. ;) These are definitely going into my mod.

Actually it's a Phrigian hat, the simbol of Sanscoulotte on French Revolution (it's the hat of Marianne, the symbol of France).

W.i.n.t.e.r
May 03, 2004, 05:30 AM
I always thought the symbol of the Sansculotte were the Pants (without Cullottes) ;) but the hat is very sweet - love it !!!

Rufus T. Firefly
May 03, 2004, 11:48 AM
Added a new gov (fascism 2) and edit first post

W.i.n.t.e.r
May 04, 2004, 07:41 AM
sweet :D fas2 is a perfect one here- will make a government type called dictatorship (in itself similar to fascism, yet less absolutist ;))

W.i.n.t.e.r
May 04, 2004, 07:46 AM
Forgot to ask: Any ideas for a Military Regime Icon ?? (in my mod the Germans's favored government is my newly created "military regime")

since fascism is not a German idea, I gave Fascism to ethiopia for lack of better suitability- Italy has had so many different governments that I didn't want to apply it there either...

Stratofortress
May 06, 2004, 03:15 AM
The history of federalism is very old, dating back to the first documented federal systems of ancient Isrealite tribes over 3200 years ago. Of similar antiquity were the confederations of the Bedoiun tribes and the Native confederacies in North America. But the first modern federation is United States, which adopted a federal constitution in 1787. And EU is still federalizing it has not yet established a federal constitution.
I'm not advocating to use US flag for federalism, but because the United States invented modern federation and took the name federalism for it I think it's better to use something else as a symbol of federalism.

Rufus T. Firefly
May 06, 2004, 03:37 AM
Originally posted by Stratofortress
The history of federalism is very old, dating back to the first documented federal systems of ancient Isrealite tribes over 3200 years ago. Of similar antiquity were the confederations of the Bedoiun tribes and the Native confederacies in North America. But the first modern federation is United States, which adopted a federal constitution in 1787. And EU is still federalizing it has not yet established a federal constitution.
I'm not advocating to use US flag for federalism, but because the United States invented modern federation and took the name federalism for it I think it's better to use something else as a symbol of federalism.

The only problem is that I'm a convinced european, so I don't make another one... :p

Rufus T. Firefly
May 12, 2004, 03:36 PM
Added communism

CivGeneral
May 12, 2004, 05:23 PM
@Rufus T. Firefly - Are there any plans for an Technocracy Government Icon? :)

Rufus T. Firefly
May 13, 2004, 01:50 AM
@Rufus T. Firefly - Are there any plans for an Technocracy Government Icon? :)

Which technocracy? Futuristic, modern? Give some idea...

Hikaro Takayama
May 13, 2004, 02:26 AM
Which technocracy? Futuristic, modern? Give some idea...

Technocracy, a civilization ruled by technology, where an emphasis is put on intelligence, education and "enlightenment." Basically would kick butt at scientific research, but suck at long-term warfare (basically what the Federation in Star Treck is).

On another note, thanks for the Socialism Icon, it looks much better than my poor cobbled together one that I use for my Tweaked Out mod. It will be going in the next patch (release of patch contingent on the progress of a zillion other projects.)

CivGeneral
May 13, 2004, 02:50 PM
Which technocracy? Futuristic, modern? Give some idea...
Basicly whatHikaro Takayama has put it :).

Its also a government featured in Call to Power as a futureistic government.

Rufus T. Firefly
May 13, 2004, 03:15 PM
Basicly whatHikaro Takayama has put it :).

Its also a government featured in Call to Power as a futureistic government.

I known which is on CtP.

You like a icon like http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=1187180&postcount=14

Rufus T. Firefly
May 16, 2004, 10:25 AM
Added new govs: military junta and presidentialism

Rufus T. Firefly
May 21, 2004, 02:21 PM
Added new icon: federalism 2.

W.i.n.t.e.r
May 21, 2004, 03:28 PM
Hey- seems I haven't been to this thread in the past days :D sweeeeeet!!! Thank you yet again, Rufus !!!!