SGOTM2 Sign UP Thread

Hi everyone, and welcome to the SGOTM2 Sign UP thread.

The general idea of SGOTM is for competing teams to play a Succession Game based on a GOTM scenario. SGOTM2 is based on GOTM-8 Germany and is set at Monarch difficulty. The game is available in CivIII 1.29f and PTW 1.27f formats. Mac players are welcome to play. The PTW version will play using the 1.29f rule set. The game is unmodded and does not require any downloads other than the starting save.

The game will start on the 15th May, so sign up (either individually or as a team) by posting in this thread. Please note that self-constructed teams are restricted to a maximum of four members to which I may add one or two players for balancing purposes.

Here is the start position.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/SGOTM2-start-position.jpg

Here are a couple of links you might find useful.

The original GOTM-8 announcement. (http://www.civfanatics.com/civ3gotm/civ3gotm08.shtml)
The Draft Constitution. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1733966#post1733966)


This month sees some changes to the scoring system. There will be no bonuses for variant play.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/Krans_groen_klein.png
The Green Laurel will be awarded to the team that achieves the highest Jason Score - whatever the variant.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/Krans_goud_klein.png
The Gold Laurel will be awarded to the team that achieves victory according to the Sponsored Variant rules in the fewest number of turns. Where more than one victory condition is possible the measurement will be made relative to the "best" Jason date for the condition.

The Wooden Spoon will be awarded to the team that has the dubious honour of acheiving the lowest Jason score for the game.

The Sponsored Variant will be different for each game. The team does not have to play the variant. For this game the sponsored variant will be Diplomatic Victory - but you are not permitted to build the UN - by any means.

The individual team threads will be posted on the day of the game starting along with the rosters.

Please Sign UP by posting in this thread. Please include the software version you would like to play, and whether you would like to play the guest variant. If you have not previously played GOTM or SGOTM then it would hep me to place you in the most appropriate team if you state the difficulty level you are comfortable playing. If this is too embarrasing then just PM me. :)

Here are the teams so far
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/rosters.jpg

Have fun guys.

Karasu will be running this game for the most part since I am on holiday for some of the time. Be gentle with him ;)

This sounds very interesting MB. I would love to play and I think Team X is going to stick together, at least I hope so. I looks forward to the game. :goodjob:

:thanx: for working on this most excellent event. :thumbsup:

Almost :band: [dance] Party Time!!!!!

MB, you mentioned to me the possibility of there being a TDG team through a certain age. Is this going to be the case? If so, I would like to be a part of that team.

Either way, I want to play. I have played and won 2 games on Regent at this point, well on my way to my thrid victory today. I will play PTW 1.27f.

What is the guest variant?

Originally posted by leif erikson
This sounds very interesting MB. I would love to play and I think Team X is going to stick together, at least I hope so. I'm game as well, if Captain and Zamint3 want to continue the partnership. If not then we have vacancies ;) We play 1.29, 'cos I'm a Mac bigot.

i'll play :) either format is fine with me.

edit: saw denyd's post. i'll play with the same group as well, though we may make too strong a team for mb :lol:

Sign me up. PTW.

EDIT: Would like to team up with Barbslinger/Gozpel.

Sign me up. Either way is ok with me. Variant or not, [civ3] or [ptw]

Pick me...pick me...

I'd be interested in playing with the same bunch if there're interested.

I prefer PTW, but will play either.

I'm wondering why prior GOTMs are being used for these. If someone played these before, then they have an advantage.

I think I am missing something.

Sign me up. PTW or vannilla does not matter. Can we do the same teams as last time.

:wavey:


I'm in. I prefer vanilla. Teams don't matter.


I don't care what the variant is as long as it isn't an XCC.

I also wish to be included, and would like to share the experience with my team mates again. :) Either format is fine with me.

Hi mad-bax. I haven't previously played a GOTM/SGOTM and I'd like to join. I'm participating onhq1: Rise of Egypt(Vanilla 1.29) Emperor (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=84809) at the moment, as a trainee.
I'd like Vanilla 1.29f. I'm feeling more comfortable up to Monarch. I also have C3C, but haven't played that much as Vanilla.

EDIT: In case I'm quailfied, I wanted to inform you that I'll be away from Friday afternoon until Monday afternoon. I'll try to watch what's going on, but I'll be unable to play.
Furthermore, I'd be gracious :) if you tell us(those who haven't previously played a SGOTM/GOTM) what we'll need to download and post a link. Is there any problem with the epic games, if we install all the patches required?

Spleen1015: Hi again :)

The "guest" variant has been renamed to "sponsored" variant and this month will be a diplo win with the restriction that you must not build the UN by any means. Playing this variant makes you elligible for an award that is not available to those that choose not to play to the sponsored variant rules.

The maps are from prior games of the month. It was how the idea was conceived, and yes people who have played them previously are spoilered. Gradually however things will change.... :evil:

Maybe at some point custom maps will be developed for SGOTM. I would only be prepared to do this if I could balance "vanilla" and PTW which can be done using the GOTM game packs. For those that have not previously played GOTM it requires a 15 to 20Mb download depending on version, and ATM the download is fragmented. In other words you have to download 1 file, install it then download a sequence of patches to get to the right place. It's easy to do in fact, but some people don't like it.

So, we need to get there first. We are still feeling our way a bit and I am willing to settle for competence before shooting for perfection, and I hope the other players can put up with that for now.

I am in of course. I liked the capture-the-UN idea when you first mentioned it, MB. :)

We might even get to practice that in the VoC game (see the Space-2 link in my sig).

:wavey: Count me in! Vanilla or PTW, Variant or not. Makes no dif to me, as long as I can find a spot on a team...

X-Team member signing up! :love:

Count me IN :D,

version to be decided.

I'm glad I just read the post by Space Oddity. My first understanding is that the directed victory was to be that we had to win by a UN victory and that we could not be the owner of the UN. Being able to let someone else build it and then taking it is a much different (easier) task.

Count me in for a PTW team.

I'll play - PTW.

Me, SolarKnight, SpikeIt and SmellinCoffee would like to be placed in the same team, if possible.

We are all members of DGIT, (demigods in training) and are all currently around Monarch lvl.

I think the preffered version would be PTW, but i'll ask my team-mates if that is preffered over Civ3 basic.

Please sign me up. I can play both versions now.

If possible i would play in the same team.

I'll sign up for PTW if possible, Vanilla if not.

Count me in on this one.

Ready for action! I think from our prior thread Gozpel and Offa expressed a wish to keep the team together. I read SK was going to another team and I'm not sure yet on Microbes status. If either of you 3 see this post I vote for renaming the Team.

I'd like to go for a short and gory domination/conquest type game without the variant.

Or try that insane idea of playing AW with mandatory diplomatic victory... without building the UN. But it might be hard to find at least 3 other players for that brutal variant.

First of all I gotta thank MB for choosing another GOTM that doesn't require downloads!:worship:

I'm in! PTW vs Civ3 doesn't matter, any variant is fine with me. Just stick me in a team that needs someone to bring down their rating.:lol: If anyone attacks us I'll beat them off with my spoon!

MB, please sign me up. I have never played a SG, but have lurked a few. I played the GOTM 28 & 30, not very well but I did win not too bad for my first GOTM experience.

I have C3C so any version is OK. (Although I have actually never played a game in PTW)

pindicator, signing in! The last one was a blast, so i'm looking forward to this as well!

--Whoops, double post; please delete--

I'm in too, of course :D

Staff? Team together again or disperse?

The variant looks very interesting. Akots' idea looks insanely interesting... ;)

I'll play. :)

And I'm keen to continue with the staff team (If I can ride on Karasu;s coat-tails! :D )

I'd like to play again. Great choice of game for me as I have no spoiler knowledge at all.

count me in. Im a novice though, so put me into an experienced team if you can.

I'm in too, of course :D

Staff? Team together again or disperse?

The variant looks very interesting. Akots' idea looks insanely interesting... ;)

Or just downright impossible.

You mean the staff team wants another beatdown? At least I won a spoon!;)

mad-bax

Sign me up for a CIV 3 team.

Adrian

You mean the staff team wants another beatdown? At least I won a spoon!;)

You know, we are stubborn chaps... :p

I'd like to join please! :)

Vanilla CivIII, version 1.29f.

Please sign me up.

Both software versions are ok.
I can play any variant.
Warfare is my weak spot though but I'm hoping to learn...

This is my first Succession Game but I played GOTM 24,28,31 with fair result.
I'm starting to feel comfortable with Emperor level.

Filling up the X-team roster :D

So we're our team's thread? :lol:

The information i posted earlier is incorrect.

Me and others have organised a team we would enjoy playing in:
-Oblivion-
Alerum67
SolarKnight
SmellinCoffee

We would like to be called team DGIT (we are all members of Demigods in training)

We are all monarch lvl players. We would like to play PTW version.

Filling up the X-team roster :D

So the X-Team is all present and correct and reporting for duty, in reverse alphabetical order ;)

Zamint3
Leif Erikson
Capt Buttkick
AlanH

M-B, it was a lot of fun last time, and I would like to sign up,
PTW

Given the signups so far, and assuming that there are no objections, I believe Team Bugsy's Bunnies to be:

Sir Bugsy
Denyd
Grahamiam
Leibniz
RowAndLive

Count me in please for [ptw]

Smackster

I'd like to sign up for an PTW game and I'd like to play the variant.

Just to add that I would like to join the team with Babslinger/Gozpel. Thanks.

I'd like to sign up too for the PTW-version. I've been playing Civ regularly and a couple a succession games with friends, but haven't been active here in the forums. Normally I play emperor.

-Tinkez

Welcome Tinkez and all the other new players. :wavey:
I am trying to stay quieter this month and not fill this thread with spammy welcome posts. I will post from time to time between now and Friday just to reassure everyone that all is well.

:wavey:

Sign up. [ptw]

First of all I gotta thank MB for choosing another GOTM that doesn't require downloads!:worship:

I second that. :D

Me, SolarKnight, SpikeIt and SmellinCoffee would like to be placed in the same team, if possible.

We are all members of DGIT, (demigods in training) and are all currently around Monarch lvl.

I think the preffered version would be PTW, but i'll ask my team-mates if that is preffered over Civ3 basic.
This is my official "I'm signing up!" post. I prefer PTW, but will tolerate basic if the DGT team wants it..

Smellin, thats the wrong one now that SpikeIt can't play.

Organisers, this is our correct final lineup:

Me and others have organised a team we would enjoy playing in:
-Oblivion-
Alerum67
SolarKnight
SmellinCoffee

We would like to be called team DGIT (we are all members of Demigods in training)

We are all monarch lvl players. We would like to play PTW version.

Mac 1.29

Lurker in SGOTM1 and looked liked so much fun that I thought I'd give it a try. So count me in.

This will be my first succession game and made the jump from monarch to emperor a few months ago. Sponsored variant sounds fun.

Can I sign up too??

Yes, anyone can. :)

[ptw] please! I've played a few GOTMs (and won some!) but need help being a warmonger... put me with people who are nice to Builders! Regent is my usual single player level but I've coped ok with Emporer and above in the GOTMs.

@AlanH... I promise to check my pm's everyday!

[ptw] please! I've played a few GOTMs (and won some!) but need help being a warmonger... put me with people who are nice to Builders! Regent is my usual single player level but I've coped ok with Emporer and above in the GOTMs.

@AlanH... I promise to check my pm's everyday!
PMs are only used as a last resort. The best way to keep in touch with the games is to subscribe to the relevant threads. You'd be more than welcome to join the X-Team for real this time, though it's mad-bax's call as he reserves the right to allocate fifth team members for balance. However two things may disqualify you:

- You indicate you want to play ptw, but I'm stuck as a Mac

- You want to play with warmongers. Well, I tend to play that way, more for speed than because I'm good at it, but I know others in the team like building, so I might get out-voted and learn rocket science or kulcher ;).

I'd like to get in on this one. I prefer PTW, but Vanilla will be OK.

Mac 1.29. And I don't care much about the sponsored variant.

- You indicate you want to play ptw, but I'm stuck as a Mac

- You want to play with warmongers. Well, I tend to play that way, more for speed than because I'm good at it, but I know others in the team like building, so I might get out-voted and learn rocket science or kulcher ;).

Vanilla is fine! do Mac games and PC games use the same format?

Also I don't want to turn into a warmonger but a few tips on waging effective war wouldn't go amiss either! Things like how you know you've got enough units... I tend to vary between way too many (expensive) and nowhere near enough (carnage) :blush:


PS how do you "subscribe" to a thread?

Scroll to the top of this page to where it says page x of y and hit the "thread tools" button. Then select "subscribe to this thread".

Whenever you hit usercp the thread will be displayed if it contains new posts since the last time you hit usercp (sort of).

Well, MB, given the signups so far, I think you've created a monster...:D

Vanilla is fine! do Mac games and PC games use the same format?

Civ3 1.29f PC and Mac 1.29f are compatible; the mac version is not compatible w/ PTW or C3C.

PS how do you "subscribe" to a thread?

In your usercp, select options and ask for email notifications. Once you post to a thread, you'll automatically be subscribed. Or, if you want to be selective just do as mad-bax suggested.

OK, sing me in. I play Vanila 1.29 as before. I'd like to play for plain victory without "variants". If Kuningas will be a team leader and play Vanila 1.29 I'd like to join this team. I'll be away May 15-16 weekend, but next weeks I am "free".
Regards, Ivan.

I would like to join. I play diety but still have much to learn. This would be my first succession game. Vanilla or PTW is fine but I prefer PTW.

We have 47 sign ups so far. An announcement will be put out on the front page in the next couple of days, so 10 teams looks reasonable ATM.

<snip> ...10 teams looks reasonable ATM.I'll bet you a "libation of your choice" we end up with more than 10 teams! :D

Vanilla is fine! do Mac games and PC games use the same format?

Also I don't want to turn into a warmonger but a few tips on waging effective war wouldn't go amiss either! Things like how you know you've got enough units... I tend to vary between way too many (expensive) and nowhere near enough (carnage) :blush:


PS how do you "subscribe" to a thread?
I think others have answered your questions - I've never had any complaints about the vanilla files my Mac produces. It sounds like your requirements fit with the X-team OK, so it's down to mad-bax and his spreadsheet to place you now. Wherever it is I know you'll have fun :thumbsup:

I'm a little late signing up because I was on vacation. Is there still room on the Staff team?

Welcome back! :D You bet!

I'd like to give it a go if there's still room. I've never played an SG and just started playing on Monarch. Either version is OK with me.

Coletite

Just a reminder: If somebody is feeling bored, wants a brutal game, and receives pleasure by solving puzzles, there is always a possibility of "always war" with diplo win variant. It does not bring bonuses but would be a great fun to play!

- You want to play with warmongers. Well, I tend to play that way, more for speed than because I'm good at it, but I know others in the team like building, so I might get out-voted and learn rocket science or kulcher ;).

:lol:
I think both Leif and I are builders-wanna-be-warmongers and I guess the only way to learn is to start bringing the :hammer: more often :D

I have to withdraw, duty call :cry: I'll wait for SGOTM3

Reporting for duty :D

PTW for (UI) preference but Civ is also OK.


Ted

Room for a Peanut anywhere ? 1.29 or PTW - either will do. Happy to wait if no room left.

Track record : a few successful GOTMs and member of the triumphant B-team in the glorious GOTM24 Reprise.

Skills : Can't play particularly brilliantly but you may get interesting write-ups to compensate.

I'm in. :D

I'd prefer NOT to play the sponsored diplo variant. I just don't like diplo wins.

I can play III if you need someone to fill a team, but prefer PTW.

Welcome guys. So that's 11 teams already, which is more than last month and still 3 days to go.... and I'm going on holiday [dance]

Handy - can I ask you to head up a team please?

Doesn't look like the variant has captured peoples imagination. :( I thought it was a good way of ensuring the use of Panzers. Oh well...

Barbslingers team: I have provisionally changed your name to team Offa. I know slinger wants the name changed, but did not indicate to what. Is this acceptable?

Good luck Karasu :)

I would like to play. I am a Emperor level player. I am willing to go for the Variant. PTW only.

Good luck Karasu :)

The kiss of death... ;)

All right -enjoy your holidays while we play!

By the way, what is the Staff team's position as regards the variant?

As I said, I'm all for it, bring on the Panzers. :hammer:

The staff are not "required" to play to the variant. Just decide amongst yourselves. :)

Handy - can I ask you to head up a team please?



No Problem. I'm happy to head a team as long as I'm the worst player on the the team, I don't want the wooden spoon to become the Handy award. :lol:

Pair me up as you wish - just no diplomaniacs.

The staff are not "required" to play to the variant. Just decide amongst yourselves. :)

:crazyeye: I think Karasu's question was trying to do exactly that, MB.

One quick question - must a team "declare variant" at the start of the game, or can a team decide to pursue the variant depending on how the game evolves?

It would be easier for us if the teams declared their intent and followed it throughout the game...
...but I think we are all free to change our mind a reasonable number of times during the game. ;)

It will surely help if you confirm whether you played the variant or not with the final submission, though.

Hmm... is m-b gonna divide the players into teams or should we do it ourselves?

Karasu and I are doing it quietly. To balance the teams as best we can we need to wait for the majority of sign ups to have happened. Patience. :)

*fervently hopes that the DGT members are on the same team together as they requested*

;)

I would be interested in joining the game. I can play regular C3 or PTW. I mostly play monarch level but have won twice on emperor (including GOTM 31).
I'm fine playing the variant as well.

Peglegasus

Now look everybody... there is really no need to fret :) If I have a problem with any of the teams I will contact you to discuss it.

In this case, no news is good news. The teams will be posted the day before the event kicks off. So on Friday you should see what team you are on. If you don't like your assignment, you will have 24 hours to contact me and I'll fix it if I think the request is reasonable.

Chill.

I wasn't hurrying you, I was just interested... sorry if I caused any inconvenience.

Max, assign me anywhere you wish, I'll not complain. :D

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/spoon.jpg

I don't care where you put me as long as it is the winning team. :D

SGOTM1 was a lot of fun to follow! Please sign me up for SGOTM2.

The variant sounds interesting, and I'd like to be on a team that wants that Laurel. I did start GOTM8, up to about 0 AD, but no submittal. I'll be on travel next week from Tuesday morning the 18th through Friday evening the 21st, so whatever team I'm on, I should be early or late in the order.

Tao - I'd play, but I really have no time now with my internship and moderating the forums...

i have nvr played a suceession game but after having suceesfully completing this months gotm as france, feel i am a competent emperor player and would like to join in the fun here too.im afraid i only have vanilla civ1.29 and am maellable to whaever teams. :)

I was directed over here from the GK2 thread, looking for a succession game... Can play vanilla C3 or C3C.

I have not played a GOTM but am set up for it, and would regard my competency level as Regent, given the fine skills on display around this place!

*Hmmmm. Civ_Steve played in GOTM 8. Now wouldn't it be nice to be on his team...*

@Tallanas: you get PTW with C3C. C3C is not currently available for play.

Wow! This seems like the place to be. Far be it from me to be the one left out.

I'd prefer PTW (I have it on C3C disc), but can play Vanilla. Fairly solid at Emp, currently wrestling w/ DG.

I'm also grateful you chose a GOTM that requires no DL's, as that is what's keeping me out of the regular one. (though I might get bold yet)

A few players here could tell you I lean towards fighting (understatement!), but can play the diplo route too.

@Tallanas: you get PTW with C3C. C3C is not currently available for play.

Point taken, thanks for setting me straight! I hadn't bothered to run PTW since getting C3C, but I have just tried now, and it works fine...

So...

Vanilla 1.29f or PTW 1.27f...

PTW1.27

I'm finished with GOTM so I'll have a go if you need more players.

I played conquest last time, though I probably could have won on open. I play on Monarch level for personal games, with mixed results.

Mac 1.29f, Spaceship win on GOTM31

I really enjoyed reading past succession games. I would prefer to play a variant to raise the in-game challenge, anyone up for OOC+AW+Diplomatic? As an aside, would achieving such a victory qualify for the Gold Laurel? :king: As a SGOTM novice, I'll be happy to contribute to any team.

Bruindane: what level do you usually play?

Alamo: which software version?

Alamo: which software version?

[ptw] like my edit says. :arrow:

The timestamps let me off the hook :rolleyes:

Bruindane: what level do you usually play?
I've been testing the waters at deity, but I can play with confidence on Emperor.

... anyone up for OCC+AW+Diplomatic?
Are you completely insane? I'm only asking because I know that Akots is and wants to do AW+Diplomatic. Maybe you could join his team :).

Hi there! Been following the forums for a while, and I guess I'm ready to jump in and do this. I'm a Regent level Vanilla 1.29 player who could use some pointers. Please, if you have room, getting on a team would be great.

Are you completely insane? I'm only asking because I know that Akots is and wants to do AW+Diplomatic. Maybe you could join his team :).

Quite possibly! AW+Diplomatic would resemble a conquest-type victory, where one or more other civs have settlers but no cities. As demonstrated here:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60139

To win OCC+AW+Diplomatic you need to abandon your city in the Modern Age to allow the capture of the United Nations. Then eliminate every city on the planet sans one to secure the vote in your favor. There is a certain beauty in the one city-one choice vote requirement.

One question that I am pondering though: Will a civ vote for you if they never met you?

I'm signing up for team Offa then, but put me last on the roster, please.

... I would prefer to play a variant to raise the in-game challenge, anyone up for OOC+AW+Diplomatic? ...

With all due respect, IMHO, OCC+AW+Diplo is not very much do-able apparently. I suggest we try simply AW+Diplo. It would be enough of a challenge to win especially if we try not to build the UN ourselves. :)

Just a reminder:

1. Bruindane
2. akots

We need at least 2 more players!

@mad-bax: please put Furiey and me in a team playing vanilla civ. Thank you.

Who is Furiey? Has he/she signed up and a registered user? :hmm:

What level does Furiey normally play?

No problem though, I just don't recognise the name

Furiey (http://forums.civfanatics.com/member.php?u=38201)

I think this is the Demogame team. :)

Furiey (http://forums.civfanatics.com/member.php?u=38201)

I think this is the Demogame team. :)
Sort of. ;) I tried to solicit more players from the DG, but only Furiey responded.

With all due respect, IMHO, OCC+AW+Diplo is not very much do-able apparently. I suggest we try simply AW+Diplo. It would be enough of a challenge to win especially if we try not to build the UN ourselves. :)

Just a reminder:

1. Bruindane
2. akots

We need at least 2 more players!

akots and Bruindane. With a little jiggery pokery I can put the two of you in the same team playing 1.29f ("vanilla"). I will place one other competent warmonger in your team plus 1 or two less experienced players. When selecting the variant you wish to play you should bear this in mind. All I can do is light the blue touch paper and retire to a safe distance. The rest is up to you, but I would ask you to give some consideration to your playing partners. :)

This is my first stab at the rosters. If you are not happy, let me know and I'll do what I can.

New sign ups will still be accepted, but they will form teams on a first-come-first-served basis.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/rosters.jpg

[EDIT]: team tao should be showing as "Non-Variant". My apologies for the oversight. :) I've fixed it in the spreadsheet, but I won't bother to update the screenshot.

MadBax :

I am honoured to have a place in your list - #20 no less !

However, I am but a Peanut of ... well ... Peanut powered intellect. So, what do columns 4&5 mean ? Have you named a team after me ? (if so I am doubly honoured to the point of embarrassment). Perhaps we should be "Die Mischnüsse" ?

And are we all deemed to be "variants" ? Hmmmm ... I think it's a compliment ... have to think on this one folks. Back into my shell now to reread this thread for further enlightenment.

... edit after reading the bits of the thread I skipped over last time. :blush:
Ah ... illumination has struck Peanut's neural micro-cluster - we will take on the noble task of seizing the "sponsored variant" awards through a stunning display of strategy and cunning. As the immortal Homer once said ... "D'oh". Yeah ok, somebody has to do it I suppose.

a) The list is sorted alphabetically by reverse team name. Xteam first, akots last. Your number has no significance. Sorry.

b) yes your team is named after you, just because I've played an SG with you and thought you would be OK with it. Might persuade you to play regularly too if you do well.

c) I have grouped all the people who stated they wanted to play the sponsored variant in one team, and again I thought you would be OK with it. So column 4 is the team name against the people who are in that team. And column 5 lists teams that will either definitely play the variant or definitley not play the variant. Those that are blank are undecided. Team akots may play some other variant which is perfectly OK and that team is filled with people that I hope will be OK with that.

It's actually quite tricky to put teams together so that everyone gets what they want, and the software version they want, and keep the teams abilities roughly equal.

Hopefully all the teams will dead-heat this month and I will be vindicated. :)

Mad Bax : see my edit. I am catching up after an absence and the brain is a bit rusted up still.

Very cute Bax.:lol:

Welcome gm1, Tweed & Tallanas to team scout! Vanilla it is.:)

How come the team I'm in is called Ivan but there aren't any Ivan's there. :hmm:

Ivan Larkin, but I should probably have kept it as Ankka. That was an oversight. Shall I change it?

Hi AdrianE. :wavey: Welcome to Xteam. As soon as we have our team thread we'll have to get our heads together and find out what we'd all like to get out of this game.

Hi, mad-bax. I'm glad to join. In case you missed it, I had edited my post: I own Civ3 and C3C(that means PTW, also). Vanilla 1.29f is fine with me.
Good to see that I'm 3rd on the team, because I'll be away from today until Monday afternoon.
Please, inform the people who haven't previously played a GOTM/SGOTM, what we'll need to download, if there would be a problem with epic games and, if you can, post a link.
Thanks

I think Team Duck or Team Ankka sounds good... I hope I don't sound too selfish...

If you change it, it'll be nice. First come, first served...:mischief:

King Alex: you don't need to dowload anything except the save. :)

Yes, I think I will. It doesn't make sense to change a team name for no reason. I'm sure Ivan will not mind. Team Ankka it is - for consistency.

:wavey:Team Kunningas

:D Proud to be a member of such a distinguished crew! Hope that having a Founding Member of the Order of the Wooden Spoon won't become too much of an embarassment. :blush:

I will be out of town with no game or 'net access until Wednesday of next week so please put me last in the roster.

Woo-Hoo I get to Play with Ted again. [dance]
Welcome aboard Oddible, Tinkez & Coletite. :D

When do we get to start playing?

Please, inform the people who haven't previously played a GOTM/SGOTM, what we'll need to download

We are going to kick-off SGOTM2 on Monday with another reference thread with all the information in place...

...and...

... there is more :D : Alan :worship: has prepared something to help all us SGOTM players. Stay tuned... ;)

The....suspence.....is...........killing me!

Looks like some good players got stuck with me. :)

Good to see that I'm 3rd on the teamI don't think mad-bax is dictating the playing order for the teams. The players are just listed in an arbitrary (alphabetical?) order as far as I know.

We are going to kick-off SGOTM2 on Monday with another reference thread with all the information in place...

...and...

... there is more :D : Alan :worship: has prepared something to help all us SGOTM players. Stay tuned... ;)


Thanks. SGOTM2 kickoff will make this Monday a little more palatable than the average Monday. :D

And a surprise from AlanH to boot. :goodjob: Sweet!

Don't let mad-bax raise your expectations too high. I'm just the data processing guy around here ... what could I surprise you with? ;)

...Yes and Einstein was just a patents clerk. ;)

Ops. Correction -being Friday, I was assuming that everything is on hold until Monday, but...

...we said the 15th would be the starting day for SGOTM2, and MB will make the starting saves available tomorrow

However, I won't be able to open and look after the SGOTM threads until Monday so, please be nice during the weekend... ;)

P.S. as for Alan's surprise... you'll see. :p


EDIT: Just to stress what MB has already pointed out: the names order in the various teams has nothing to do with the playing order. Every team is free to set their roster the way they like.

Welcome gm1, Tweed & Tallanas to team scout! Vanilla it is.:)

Hello Team!

I'm looking forward to playing with you all. I feel like I'm in lofty company indeed, having just read the "League of Ordinary Gentlemen" thread featuring Scoutsout and Gengis...

You guys get to be our marquee players! No pressure!

Then comes Tweed, a self-confessed Emperor level player, and two "squad players" in me and gm1 (no offence to me or you intended - we both put ourselves at regent level ;) )

Overall, I think we are looking fairly balanced. Any ideas on team order?

Tal

All I can do is light the blue touch paper and retire to a safe distance. The rest is up to you, but I would ask you to give some consideration to your playing partners. :)

Duck and cover? No worries :cool: Akots, DJMGator13, and Pindicator: I look forward to a fun and memorable game, be it standard or a near impossible variant :eek:

One question that I am pondering though: Will a civ vote for you if they never met you?
The answer was presciently supplied by Bamspeedy: See thread http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44999

If you do test this by having an election at 3950 BC, make sure to trade communications (a civ will abstain or automatically vote for only you if they don't know anyone else).

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/alamos_alamo.png

Greetings Alamo team: bradlyfeanor, cuivienen, SensOfWthr, shoe35, alamo

From what I gather the map will be available tomorrow, but no threads until Monday.

We could wait until then, but there doesn't appear to be a bunch of pre-game strategy discussion from the previous game.

If you want to go first then post here or send a pm.

My inclination would be to look at a move S or SW, build troops to support limit and explore, then start granary.

As for the variant, diplo w/o UN sounds pretty tricky. Maybe a panzer army would facilitate that victory.
:tank:

You will get a game thread tomorrow Alamo. What you won't have is the maintenance thread. Therefore you will have no way of submitting saves for scoring purposes until Monday. The work behind the scenes on scoring and submissions by Alanh is nothing short of breathtaking, but I need to do my part and populate the database with the teams and the software and your starting saves. You absolutely cannot use the original GOTM-8 save.

BTW - I think you get the idea with the variant :D

...Yes and Einstein was just a patents clerk. ;)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

@MB - Just to clarify, I believe that Team Bugsy is playing vanilla.

Which leads to my second clarification. I couldn't pull a conclusion out of the maintenance thread - do we need to download the mods for this game? I had only done so for PTW (as each came up), and have no idea on what is necessary for vanilla...

Please advise ASAP.

Thanks!

No, this SGOTM is completely unmodded. There are no downloads required.

As for the C3 - PTW thing I'll just check that everyone is willing to play C3 and then change it. (I can't recall if I have added someone to your base team or not)

Either way - thanks for the heads up and I'll sort it out.

EDIT: Sorted!

Hello team. I am so stoked! The reason I finally decided to join the forums after lurking forever was because of the GK2 TDG. This should be great.

I have no problem with the order, but towards the rear would probably be better as I am touring some Napoleonic battlefields on Saturday. Don't forget, I also live on Western European Time like Tallanas.

Let's do this like Brutus.

RowAndLive,

I think that our team played Vanilla the first Sgotm since I hadn't got PTW.

Now I can play PTW and I assume that our team will play PTW then.

RowAndLive,

I think that our team played Vanilla the first Sgotm since I hadn't got PTW.

Now I can play PTW and I assume that our team will play PTW then.

yes! now we can do a proper tech slingshot :D

btw, i'll be out of town till Sunday so i won't check in to the thread till then. see you there ;)

OK - Team Bugsy. Now you have me confused. I had you as PTW, I have changed you to 1.29f.... What do you want me to do now? Please give a definitive answer to the version of the software you will play. You cannot choose when you download them anymore. Each save is prepared for each individual team. I cannot prepare your save until I know which version of the software.

To: RowAndLive, Leibniz & Grahamiam (and our leader Bugys),

Shall we follow the other lemmings to a diplomatic (with a siezed UN) victory or choose a different path?

The only bonus this time is for that reward, but we don't need no stinkin' bonus to win.

Any suggestions?

I've got 3 different ideas than the directed option:

One is a quick conquest/domination victory using the miliraristic trait to it's fullest. Archer rush to knock out the weakest neighbors. Then Knights & Cavalry for the rest of the island and Panzers to rule the world. (Could be played as AW, but without any bonus for this, why complicate the goal)

Another would be a rush to space (to take advantage of scientific). Conquering the island and pushing science to the maximum, trying for a very early launch.

The final would be something way off the beaten track, a 100K culture victory. We'd need lots of cities (cheap libraries & universities). With this option we'd be able to use our military to acquire more cities and still use our science edge to research and grow.

All sound like fun and would produce high Jason scores.

On another topic, any thoughts on order of play? East to West, Oldest to Youngest, Same last game, Reverse last Game, etc...

mad-bax, my vote is ptw ;)

denyd, i need time to digest :)

I think Team Duck or Team Ankka sounds good... I hope I don't sound too selfish...

If you change it, it'll be nice. First come, first served...:mischief:
OK, but who will be team leader?
I think me, hope I don't sound too selfish...
Ivan

Who you calling a lemming, pig!:p

...pig!:p...and I haven't seen "pigs on the wing" since college! :crazyeye:

Interested only if a C3C version available.

PF

Planetfall - GOTM & SGOTM are not available (yet), if you have C3C, then you've also got both PTW & Vanilla, so you could play if you don't mind stepping to a prior version.

OK, before we get to raucous here...

@MB - I hadn't realized that Leibniz upgraded to PTW, so it's my mistake. Team Bugsy will be PTW.

@Denyd - You're forgetting about the spirit of the game, and using nothing but archers, LBs, and panzers - no horses allowed! As far as for a variant, I'd like to try the given one, as it sounds enjoyable and challenging. Understand that the panzers are a saving grace item - the intent is to be done before then, and only using slow, low-defense units. It doesn't hurt to be a conformist once in a while. ;)
I'm also not against a 100K, as I haven't done one of those yet. I guess that my only preference would be to avoid, to an extent, the early horseman/archer rush and conquering of half of the world that inevitably seems to happen with all of the high scorers in GOTM. That was another thing that kind of turned me off to GOTM - the high scorers and methods were usually the same. Cracker's maps & mods kept it interesting, and a good learning tool that helped to decrease the min/max-ing.

So, my vote is for the lemming variant.


And let's see - Alan's surprise & individual start files - maybe we al get the same civ, etc, but a different location each?

Team Peanut ... sounds good to me! I'm looking forward to the entertaining write-ups. ;)

Steve: whilst you're around. I am not sure yet whether 1.21 and 1.27 are compatible. How do you feel about patching up?

Planetfall. Obviously I would like you to play. And a C3C version of the game does exist :eek: but I cannot release it to the general public since this is a competition and we have not yet developed a robust method of scoring C3C versus prior versions. I don't even know if it is possible (or worth the effort).

Steve: whilst you're around. I am not sure yet whether 1.21 and 1.27 are compatible. How do you feel about patching up?



It occurs to me that I have Conquests, which I haven't installed. I believe that comes with 1.27, so if I install it, I should be good, I think ...

Denyd,

I understand the software is there. But then lose:
sci leader
cruiser
tow infantry
flak
ancient cavs
crusader

For this variation the only significant are 1. sci leader and 2. ancient cavs. It might make it more interesting if tried to use bows vs AI ancient cavs and crusader.

Is there a good reason why C3C version is not available? I'm undecided if worthwhile to go back to PTW.

PF

And let's see - Alan's surprise & individual start files - maybe we al get the same civ, etc, but a different location each?

Sorry to disappoint you but everyone has the same game.
You all have individual saves because your team name is embedded in the save. It's a bit like chipping a dog, if you see what I mean.

Is there a good reason why C3C version is not available? I'm undecided if worthwhile to go back to PTW.

PF

Again, SGOTM is a competition. C3C plays and scores in a way that it is (to date) impossible to judge against a PTW or C3 game.

OTOH, there are 13 teams all playing the same game against the AI and against each other. The challenge should be enough alone to allow you an evening once a fortnight away from C3C. :)

Sorry mate, but count me out.
I'm in a training game atm, and don't have time for SGOTMThus we have a vacancy in our vanilla civ3 team:
tao (deity)
Demiurge (emperor?)
Furiey (monarch)
Knappagh1 (warlord?)

I missed this quote. I'll fill the slot ASAP. You have 4 players, which is sufficient, but we are short a couple of 1.29f players. They will arrive when the front page announcement is published. Hopefully within a couple of hours.

Mad-bax,

I wasn't worried about competiton, more about interest. Ok for PTW, but not C3.

PF

Team Tao...Looking forward to playing with everyone. I agree Tao, a fifth would be nice, if and when another 1.29 player becomes available.

[QUOTE=tao]
Demiurge (emperor?)
Although I feel confident at emperor, my victory dates aren't always the fastest.

I've not posted here before - all my posts have been in the demogame. I have however played a few gotm, although I've never managed to complete in to time submit, maybe one day...

Looking forward to this, pity more of the demogame crowd didn't have time, still I'm sure I'll soon get to know people here as well, both in team tao (already know tao of course) and without.

Although I'm playing Vanilla Civ here, I also have PTW and C3C.

Hi Furiey :wavey:

Perhaps this will be an opportunity to get us GOTM'ers interested in the Demogame and vice versa.

Enjoy the game :)

I've received some bad news about my grandfather this afternoon. It looks like I will be unavailable for the next week to 10 days. So, I'm going to withdraw from SGOTM2. Hopefully, I can get in on SGOTM3.

I'm very sorry to hear that Spleen1015. Best wishes and compassion in dealing with the bad news. I hope that things work out for the best.

Greetings fellow Team akots members.

I am honored to be on the team which won SGOTM1. Hopefully we will carry on the high quality level established by this team.

@Spleen - Take care of your family and hurry back to the your community of Civ friends as soon as you can.

I know what the suprise is Alan.;) SO tempted to tell everyone... hehehe... Lets just say that MB is keeping a promise he made from the start of the first round...

@Team Bugs - We'll stick with the same rotation. Why mess with success! :D Now I know how Joe Torre fells when he's managing. If you have a great team, it is a piece of cake.

When our thread is posted we can vote on whether we want to go for the designated variant.

Good luck to all our competitors. I'm really looking forward to reading the dispatches from the Epicentre of Eccentricity.

Hello all Team Ankka (Ivan) members. :)


*waits eagerly for the threads to open*

IMHO, let the thread be started and then we can vote on which variant to play and how to proceed. We can handle the vote with some Demogame-type discussion so that all team members are happy in the end.

I think all of Team DGT is staying in the DGT2 SG game until the threads open here.. :lol:

Hi everyone. The Game Threads are up. I will provide links presently, but you can find them for now by browsing the SGOTM sub-forum.

Is there a way to load 2 versions of Civ III. I have one version modded for the GOTM, but since the resource pix & civlopedia files are different I want to load another unmodded version. When I try to install directly from the CD it wants to remove my current version.

I know this is not the right place to ask but I think many of our SGOTMers will have this same question. I'm going to post it in the CIv III Tech Support forum also.

That's exactly how I work. I sometimes have several different versions installed, with different folder names and renamed shortcuts to the .exe in each one. I've even run multiple instances simultaneously so I could flip between them without quitting, but I don't know whether the Windows version allows that. I do have lots of hard drive and memory.

I have a question about the variant.

Is the "diplo dogpile" legal or illegal? IMHO we should make it illegal across the board, because that takes all the challenge out of going for the variant in the first place.

By the diplo dogpile I mean: Declaring war against the #2 Civ who will be on the ballat, then getting alliances with everyone else against that person. Since no Civ will ever vote for someone they're at war with you're guarenteed that everyone will either vote for you or abstain, meaning you can't lose & winning is inevitable.

My impression of the reason the variant would be challenging is because you'd have to make war in the begining & then again to take the UN, but still keep good relations with everyone else who would be voting to try for the Diplo win. This "challenge factor" gets thrown out the window if you can dogpile the #2 Civ(who will most likely be the Civ that builds the UN and you're already at war with).

i'll join. ptw 1.27. regent. i'm a newb at SGs

Is there a way to load 2 versions of Civ III. I have one version modded for the GOTM, but since the resource pix & civlopedia files are different I want to load another unmodded version. When I try to install directly from the CD it wants to remove my current version.

I know this is not the right place to ask but I think many of our SGOTMers will have this same question. I'm going to post it in the CIv III Tech Support forum also.

Arizona Steve provided me with how to load both versions at the same time. It's very simple. If anyone is interested you can check it out here.
Running 2 versions of Civ (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=1839258#post1839258)

The discussion thread was closed.:confused:

... This "challenge factor" gets thrown out the window if you can dogpile the #2 Civ(who will most likely be the Civ that builds the UN and you're already at war with).

Just wanted to note that the game is played by the RBC-mad-bax-modified rules and if some team wants it to play by some other rules, GK-modified, for example, well, it cannot be prohibited IMO. In general, every player may invent his own rules on how he would prefer to play the game. However, it might be a good idea to play all games according to a certain well-established and widely used set of rules. I'm not aware of any more or less known ruleset that has listed making alliances prior to UN vote as an exploit.

I assume next thing, we would discuss how it is "fair" to build cities and that we should automate workers because AI does not know how to use them.

The game is played against the AI but it is the human teams which compete against each other. Thus, it is indeed a human versus human game. Since RBC rules have more "respect" for AI versus the GOTM rules, IMO, this might be enough.

Mad-Bax: I got 1.27 working. I renamed my entire Infogrames top level directory, then installed CivIII and CSC fresh. By switching the top level directory name back and forth I can finish off my Gotm31 in 1.21, and do Sgotm2 in 1.27.

Diplomatic Dogpile: I thought the variant was who could win by Diplomatic vote fastest without building it themselves? The trick is not how you win, but how do you get one of the other civs to build it for you the quickest and then take it and win the vote. I would expect a dogpile would be in order, so I view this as an added complication, undoing the dogpile of MPPs and Alliances you set up to take the UN in the first place. It adds a pseudo random element to the final end date and condition of the game, and lengthens the game; as it is, teams playing this variant will be considerably longer at it than those playing typical fast domination games. I'd suggest not adding this rule.

I assume next thing, we would discuss how it is "fair" to build cities and that we should automate workers because AI does not know how to use them.

What are you talking about? I don't care how anyone else builds cities or uses their workers, if they want to automate them that's fine, whatever. This isn't what we're discussing. The SGOTM is teams competing against each other as much as it is against the AI.

My point is there's already a variant in place for those that want to go for that "extra challenge", it is completly optional and no one is forced to go for it. Since it's not mandatory nor will it help your score in any way, it's purely in place for an added challenge for those that feel up to the task. This variant is using " certain well established rules" aka diplo win by capturing the UN instead of building it.

The Civ that builds the UN, more then likely is going to be the other dominant Civ in the game. They'll be the other person on the ballet if you take the UN. Signing MAs with everyone against that Civ(who you are already at war with) isn't a challenge, it's a cake walk. The challenge IMHO is being able to war early in the game to secure your land, then keeping everyone gracious with you while you're stomping on their neighbor.

If we allow dogpiling for the diplo win we might as well throw out the variant, because making a couple alliances isn't hard, it's inevitable.


[edit- I'll play it either way, whatever MadBax/everyone decides on.]

M-B, it was a lot of fun last time, and I would like to sign up,
PTW

Shoe35, please join Team Alamo in the discussion threads.

SGOTM2 Germany - Team Alamo

Can someone give me a bit of clarification?

I have seen references to RBC rules etc., but what ruleset are we actually adhering to? Lkendter, RBC, GOTM? Or is it just a complete free for all?

I was going to post this in the SGOTM2 - Discussion thread but it seems to have been closed. Just wanted to say from a new player to this process great job MB, Alan H and to any others involved on automation of the submission process. Lurked last month and it seemed a cumbersome process at best. Once I discovered where to post, it couldn't be easier and worked flawlessly. Also nice touch to be able to see the scores instantly in a tabular format. As always the GOTM staff exceeds expectations.

Is there a vacant spot in any team playing PTW 1.27? I would't mind trying this game if I could be assigned to a team.

I would try to PM Mad-Bax. The games are already started, and you probably don't want to wait until he has time to browse this thread. He's very busy keeping everything afloat ATM. (and doing a fine job of it, too)

I got 1.27 working. I renamed my entire Infogrames top level directory, then installed CivIII and CSC fresh. By switching the top level directory name back and forth I can finish off my Gotm31 in 1.21, and do Sgotm2 in 1.27.


Instead of switching your folder name back and forth just create a 2nd icon and target the two civ exe & folders seperately. I named one Van and the other Modded.

Count me in, PTW But I never played any GOTM and never played that level too..........

Welcome maharaja. :wavey:

That's it people, the sign up thread is now closed for this game :(