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soren
May 15, 2004, 08:35 PM
How do the Russian and Chinese communist revolutions compare?

YotoKiller
May 15, 2004, 08:57 PM
Both are very bloody.

soren
May 15, 2004, 09:44 PM
Both were revolutions...Common, something analytical and deep, with evidence as support.

Vrylakas
May 18, 2004, 10:49 AM
First of all, it's worth an academic debate as to exactly what constitutes a revolution. That said, the Russian Revolution of Feb/Mar 1917 was a genuine revolution in the sense that it was a spontaneous and genuinely popular revolt against the Russian establishment. The Oct/Nov 1917 "revolution" in Russia however qualifies more as a coup than a revolution.

As for China, the Chinese had a revolution in 1911 but the events of 1945-1949 do not in my opinion constitute a revolution. It was more a civil war. In school (back in the 'hood ;)) we had to learn about so-called "Western" and "Eastern" revolutions, but it was mostly just ideological crap. Supposedly in the West revolutions take place in urban areas and span outward (like the ripples on water) while in the East revolutions take place in the countryside and surge towards the urban areas. The basic problem with this is that the urban-rural relationship is very different in different countries and societies, undermining any neat & clean paradigms about how and where revolutions start...

The Mexican Revolution of 1910-1918 is a more genuine revolution than the Chinese example of 1949.

Knight-Dragon
May 18, 2004, 01:33 PM
The Chinese had only 1 revolution in any sense in the 20th century - that of 1911. And it ain't a Communist revolution - it was a revolt against the Qing.

The Communist victory in 1949 was the result of a very long process which began in the early 20s - rather than a revolution in any sense of the word. An evolution.

Dann
May 18, 2004, 09:46 PM
In a nutshell:

Russian revolution:
Monarchy --> Feb/Mar 1917 revolution --> Republic --> Oct/Nov 1917 coup --> Communism --> civil war --> communists eventually won.

Chinese revolution:
Monarchy --> 1911 revolution --> Republic --> Warlordism --> KMT Republic --> World War II --> civil war 1945- 1949 --> communists won.

Note that even in the 1920s, the KMT and the communists were already fighting. And starting in the early 1930s, the Japanese were already invading northeast China, way before the start of World War II.

Also a president of the first republic, Yuan Shi Kai, attempted a return to Monarchy, with himself as emperor. :rolleyes: Of course nobody else would go with this idea and his dynasty lasted only days. :D