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nonconformist
May 17, 2004, 08:15 AM
This is a new idea I have for a thread.

The Pictoral history of World War II

Basically, we will go through the history of WWII in images. I will set the subject, and you (the posters) will contribute images to for an archive of photos. Every few days (between a couple of days and a week) a new subject will be posted, and more photos will be posted. At first, the subjects will be chronological order of battles, but then it will expad into other subjects, or theaters.
Please help to create an archive of photos from the world's largest conflict.
Chapters:
1.The Lead Up To War (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=1843855)
2.Blitzkrieg:Poland (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=88319#post=12)

The first subject is The lead up to war.

nonconformist
May 17, 2004, 08:20 AM
http://www.historyguide.org/images/chamberlain.jpg

Neville Chamberlain, British Prime Minister, holds up the Munich Agreement, promising peace, while declaring "Peace in our time".

tossi
May 17, 2004, 12:28 PM
A poster with the the slogan "Gib mir vier Jahre Zeit!" (very roughly, Give me four years to do my job!). Hitler´s goal was to make Germany ready for war in four years. He achieved this by borrowing immensive sums of money ot build up factories etc. The only way to pay back this money was through conquest.

Knight-Dragon
May 17, 2004, 12:33 PM
Posters are reminded to pls use the attachment function whenever possible. Esp for attaching only one pix. ;)

This will help in managing the files in future (you can go back and delete all those attachments you no longer need).

nonconformist
May 18, 2004, 01:10 PM
Due to the lack of activity, I will start the next chaptere soon, unless more activity takes place, and/or I am requested to extend it.

blindside
May 18, 2004, 02:20 PM
The start of the invasion of China by Japan can be considered the start of the Second World War or an event leading up to the war. The invasion of the city of Nanking has come to be known as the "Rape of Nanking". Between December 1937 and March 1938 at least 369,366 Chinese civilians and prisoners of war were slaughtered by the invading troops. An estimated 80,000 women and girls were raped; many of them were then mutilated or murdered. Thousands of victims were beheaded, burned, bayoneted, buried alive, or disemboweled. To this day the Japanese government has refused to apologize for these and other World War II atrocities, and a significant sector of Japanese society denies that they took place at all. The incident was "one of the great atrocities of modern times." This genocide/atrocity is not well known or recognized. In some ways it was as, if not more brutal that the Holocaust but how can we decide what is bad and what is worse. Both are equally horrific.

http://www.sjwar.org/images/19.gif
Japanese troops entering the city

http://www.sjwar.org/images/300.gif
Bayonet practice

http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/12.12.96/gifs/china1-9650.jpg
Human remains


http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/12.12.96/cover/china1-9650.html
For more information.

(Sorry if this was meant to be in a later section dealing with the actual war but I did it now thinking that the invasion of China was an important pre-World War II event)

SuperBeaverInc.
May 18, 2004, 06:32 PM
http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t039/T039823A.jpg
Nazi soldiers jeer as this Jewish family leaves Memel, Germany, en route to Lithuania on April 6, 1939

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t045/T045057A.jpg
Mussolini and Hitler meeting in Munich in 1937

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t014/T014965A.jpg
German Troops in Cologne in the 1930s. In violation of the Treaty of Versailles, which German officials had signed at the end of World War I (1914-1918), German Chancellor Adolf Hitler built up Germany’s armed forces and sent troops into the Rhineland and Austria

http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t053/T053055A.jpg
At Nürnberg, Führer Adolf Hitler preached to the assembled German soldiers and Nazi party faithful that they were a superior race that deserved more than they had, including additional Lebensraum, or living space, and a higher standard of living. Hitler was an emotional speaker who had a mesmerizing effect on those who listened. By 1938 he had amassed the best-equipped, best-trained army in the world.

Dann
May 18, 2004, 11:15 PM
Here are some more pictures of Japanese atrocities in China during World War II. The captions are translations.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/2004312211054859.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/2004312211116830.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/200431221130457.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/2004312211744585.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/2004312211848710.jpg
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/20043122181372.jpg
Man with left leg stripped of flesh.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/200431221846762.jpg
Severed heads
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/200431221921967.jpg
Soldiers about to disembowel a corpse (?)

To moderators: I'm not sure if people will find these offending. After all, they're already history. If you find the pictures offending then please delete.

steviejay
May 19, 2004, 05:32 AM
all I can say..... jesus!

no matter how many times you see pictures like that........ still makes you feel not right. but to the mod's, please don't delete them. They're part of history and people need to see those images, its best not to forget the past lest we make the same mistakes in the future

nonconformist
May 19, 2004, 09:33 AM
I think it would be a good time to move onto the first chapter of the onflict we now know as WWII:

Blitzkrieg: Poland

http://www.bbc.co.uk/herefordandworcester/features/2002/09/images/germans_300.jpg
German troops remove the roadblock on the Polish border, September 1st, 1939, as the invasion that will trigger WWII begins.

SuperBeaverInc.
May 19, 2004, 05:28 PM
http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t045/T045061A.jpg

The bombing of Polish railway lines by German bombers.

Amenhotep7
May 19, 2004, 06:30 PM
Love the idea for this thread!:goodjob: My propaganda poster thread didn't go so well...:sad:

http://www.euronet.nl/users/wilfried/ww2/network/polen.gif
Germans across the Polish border

LesCanadiens
May 20, 2004, 12:17 AM
http://library.thinkquest.org/13831/media/blitzk1.gif

German troops and lorries on roads leading into Poland as they commence their attack.

nonconformist
May 22, 2004, 09:56 AM
Come on, people! I want to see more photos before I change the subject!

Amenhotep7
May 22, 2004, 10:43 AM
If ya type in "Blitkrieg" into Google image search, that's about all you can find. I say move along before this dies...

Darth_Pugwash
May 22, 2004, 10:55 AM
Nice idea, noncon:)

I can't google up anything either. New topic!

nonconformist
May 22, 2004, 11:00 AM
http://www.ushmm.org/outreach/images/09866.jpg

German infantry parades just after Warsaw's final surrender.

tossi
May 22, 2004, 12:26 PM
England, look what you have done!

A german propaganda poster which blames England that Germany attacked :crazyeye:. England and France were supposed to invade Germany if Germany invaded Poland. They didn´t.

steviejay
May 22, 2004, 05:52 PM
they kinda did..... they invaded the Saar reigon if I remember correctly, but not in any real numbers and retreated soon after

nonconformist
May 23, 2004, 04:58 AM
Since, probably, the next subject isn't gonna be too familiar with most people, I'lll only leave it running for a day or so.

The Winter War
The Soviets attack Finland

http://virtual.finland.fi/finfo/images/sotil.jpg
Finnish Alpine Troops ski across the landscape.

tossi
May 23, 2004, 09:40 AM
http://www.sodatkuvina.cjb.net/images/Talvisota/Rintama/400305ViipurinlahtiHavittajatHyokkaavat.jpg
Soviet attack over Bay of Vyborg begun in early mornirng 5th March 1940. Despite
of heavy fire from ground forces and air forces, Soviet are successful to create a
beach head to western beach of Bay of Vyborg.

SuperBeaverInc.
May 23, 2004, 11:25 AM
Some random Winter War pictures.
http://www.historyhouse.com/img/c/winter_war_skis.jpg
http://www.historyhouse.com/img/c/winter_war_funeral.jpg
http://www.iremember.ru/infantry/krutskikh/3-01.jpg
http://www.hut.fi/~jaromaa/Navygallery/Submarines/SubGal/PTalvikuva1.jpg
http://www.iremember.ru/infantry/krutskikh/zinit.jpg
http://www.north-front.ru/Fotos/Taipale%20011201/bw%20artillery.JPG

aaminion00
May 23, 2004, 11:31 AM
England, look what you have done!

A german propaganda poster which blames England that Germany attacked :crazyeye:. England and France were supposed to invade Germany if Germany invaded Poland. They didn´t.

Hmm, maybe a dumb question but are you sure that's a German propaganda poster... I mean I know you're German but the words look a lot like the slavic roots meaning "your work/fault" which makes me think this was Polish or something maybe..

nonconformist
May 23, 2004, 12:05 PM
I suppose it could have been a German poster printed in Polish, for distribution in Poland.

tossi
May 23, 2004, 12:16 PM
I suppose it could have been a German poster printed in Polish, for distribution in Poland.

nonconformist is right.

Panda
May 23, 2004, 02:16 PM
http://virtual.finland.fi/finfo/images/wintwar5.jpg

The Soviet Union had a force of 1,600-1,800 aircraft at its disposal in the Winter War. The Finnish Air Force and anti-aircraft units are estimated to have shot down approximately 600 of them. During the war the Finnish Air Force had little more than 100 aircraft, many of them outdated.

http://virtual.finland.fi/finfo/images/wintwar6.jpg

Christmas devotions in Kollanjoki, to the north-east of Lake Ladoga.

http://virtual.finland.fi/finfo/images/wintwar8.jpg

The spoils of war: artillery pieces and their traction units near Raate in January 1940. The Finnish Army´s 9th Division encircled and annihilated two Soviet divisions in fighting in the Suomussalmi and Raate districts.

nonconformist
May 24, 2004, 05:15 AM
New topic:

Denmark and Norway.

Adler17
May 24, 2004, 06:53 AM
Here are some photos of the landing:

Adler17
May 24, 2004, 06:58 AM
The first picture was made on the German CA Admiral Hipper in the battle with the British DD Glowworm which suddenly appeared. The German Flakgunners on the ship shot the British torped crew, so the Glowworm was not able to shoot it deadly payload on the German ships. She had no chance and sunk.
The secon picture displays German tanks in Norway, The next one the scuttled German DD Hans Lüdemann in Narvik.
The 4th picture is the boarding of the landing troops on German transports.
The last one is a peinture of the sinking German CA Blücher.

Adler

Adler17
May 24, 2004, 07:01 AM
Here are some other pictures:

Adler17
May 24, 2004, 07:05 AM
The first picture shows again German troops boarding a transport. The next one shows the British retreat out of Namsos. Then there is a picture of the German general Dietl commander of the mountain troops of Narvik. The next picture shows a Stuka flying above Norway. The last picture shows a German newspaper with an article about the British retreat from Narvik.

Adler

Adler17
May 24, 2004, 07:08 AM
Another pictures:

Adler17
May 24, 2004, 07:10 AM
The first picture shows German soldiers arriving Norway on the German CA Admiral Hipper. My last picture shows the sinking CA Blücher.

Adler

Zeekater
May 24, 2004, 11:04 AM
Quisling, leader of the Norwegian fascist party, became Prime Minister after the invasion.

Adler17
May 25, 2004, 03:52 AM
Here are two other photos: Again the first shows the Glowworm in the battle trying to make smoke (taken from the Hipper again with the turret Anton aiming on the Glowworm) and again German troops boarding the Admiral Hipper to invade Norway.

Adler

Adler17
May 25, 2004, 04:19 AM
Here are another pictures:

Adler

Adler17
May 25, 2004, 04:37 AM
The first picture shows a peinture of the attempt of the Glowworm to ram the Admiral Hipper. Although she was succesfull and damaged the cruiser the Admiral Hipper made it home without big problems! And with a leak of 40 m! The next pictures are taken from the German battleship Scharnhorst in the battle against the British carrier Glorious. The first one shows the battleship Gneisenau firing on the British carrier. The next picture shows the smoke curtain the British destroyer Ardent and Acasta, which tried to hide the carrier. On the next picture you can see the 11" turrets Anton and Bruno in action firing on the Glorious. The last picture shows the burning and sinking Glorious with smoke fields around her.

Adler

Adler17
May 25, 2004, 04:54 AM
Here are my three last pictures: The first one shows the sinking Glorious again (zoomed). The next picture shows the last fightings with the British destroyers which also had not chance. Just before she sunk the Acasta made a torpedo run on the German ships damaging the Scharnhorst. Here are two pictures from the damage taken in the Yard in Kiel. on the first picture the damage is in the right. The next one shows the 12* 4 m hole. 2500 t water went into the ship.
In this battle the Scharnhorst achieved the hit on an enemy ship at the farest distance (24000 m) ever made destroying the hangar making it unable for the Glorious to launch their tropedo bombers. 1519 British sailors and airmen died. Only 41 survived. Although Scharnhorst was damged (and also Gneisenau by escorting her sister home by the British sub Clyde) this battle was a big victory for the Kriegsmarine.

Adler

Vrylakas
May 25, 2004, 12:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tossi
England, look what you have done!

A german propaganda poster which blames England that Germany attacked . England and France were supposed to invade Germany if Germany invaded Poland. They didn´t.

Hmm, maybe a dumb question but are you sure that's a German propaganda poster... I mean I know you're German but the words look a lot like the slavic roots meaning "your work/fault" which makes me think this was Polish or something maybe..

It is indeed Polish; it says, "England! This is your doing!" or "This is your product!" (I suck at translations... My English isn't good enough.) In any event, I've never seen this one but I also suspect it is a German poster distributed in Poland because Poles were almost never publically critical of the Allies, save perhaps the USSR.

nonconformist
May 25, 2004, 02:02 PM
New topic:

Fall Gelb:
Invasion of Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg and the low countries.

P.S, since I shall be absent from this Friday, I shall set a large topic that will last for a week.

LesCanadiens
May 25, 2004, 09:15 PM
Adler17, please attach the images so we don't have to click on every single one to see them...

Three Stukas fly over the Low countries.

http://ron.heavengames.com/gameinfo/nations/german/stuka.jpg

nonconformist
May 26, 2004, 07:19 AM
I've been trying to find some photos of the Granite Section that captured Fort Eben Emeal, but so far Google is failing me.

privatehudson
May 26, 2004, 07:32 AM
Give me a day or two, one of my books has a whole series of about 4 or 5 of them that I can scan in at work. Don't have them with me to hand though, so will be a while, but I can do it :)

nonconformist
May 26, 2004, 08:18 AM
I've got books, but the pc with the scanner is occupied :(.
But thanks, hudson! :)

privatehudson
May 26, 2004, 08:51 AM
IIRC only maybe 2 are of the fort/it's gun casements though, 2-3 are Witzig and company being reviewed or similar, hope that's ok :)

Adler17
May 26, 2004, 09:09 AM
Here are photos of Eben- Emael, the Belgish fort that should stop and German advance but was taken by German commando soldiers within a few hours.

Adler

Adler17
May 26, 2004, 09:12 AM
The first picture shows a copula of the fort. The next one is with German soldiers guarding the fort. The third one is a portrait of Oberleutnant Witzig, commander of this raid. The last one shows General der Fallschirmtruppen, Kurt Student, congretulating his men for this difficult task.

Adler

P.S.: How can I attach the .jpg normally? I tried, but...

privatehudson
May 26, 2004, 09:49 AM
IIRC the book shows both the first and fourth images. It also provides an excellent commentary on them :)

BTW adler, I didn't know they were Brandenburg commandoes as your image names and description hints at, to my reccollection they were part of a standard airbone formation, what sources do you have on that? Mine state that they were from 1st Battalion of 1st FJ Regiment (under Koch) and the pioneer company of 2nd Battalion, 1st FJ regiment (under Witzig). Koch's men provided the bulk of the other main groups (steel etc). I believe they were temporarily named a detachment for the mission.

nonconformist
May 26, 2004, 10:41 AM
Yeah, I want Witig's men please Hudson. Adler; do not save the images to disk. Instead, copy their location, and use the image button at the ytop instead of attaching.

privatehudson
May 26, 2004, 12:52 PM
Ok some I managed to dig up on websites :)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/company.JPG

Members of Granit's troop 4 celebrate after the raid with cigarettes

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/fort.JPG

One of the casemates damaged by the troops, note the damage to the right hand barrel by one of the 50kg charges. This casement's commander refused to fire either of his guns as he had not received orders!

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/postcard.JPG

Members of the whole group reviewed by Hitler some time after the raid. Koch is nearest the camera, with Witzig and Altmann next in line. Koch is receiving the Knights Cross here for the raid.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/troop4.JPG

The surviving members of Troop 4 immediately after the raid. One other member was wounded and not present. The soldier second from left in the picture is an actual edit, he does not appear in the original.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/troop3.JPG

Survivors of troop 3, as above another soldier was wounded and not in the picture.

nonconformist
May 26, 2004, 01:00 PM
The top photo is the one I was looking for! Thanks Hudson!:).

Anyway, the soldiers landed their paratroopers on the roof of the Fort, and overran it, destroying casemates and blowing doors apart with hollow shaped charges. The troops inside recieved casualties, and the fort was filled with acrid smoke. The fort attempted to surrender, but the three men sent to find the paras to surrender to got lost in the confusion, and it took a while to find them. Anyway i think the defenders recieved about 25 casualtioes and 65 wounded, while the paras recieved 6 killed. Pretty amazing by any standards.

privatehudson
May 26, 2004, 03:04 PM
There's an excellently detailed account of the events at the fort and the eventual fate of those in the assaults here (http://www.eagle19.freeserve.co.uk/belgium.htm) for those who are interested :) It's also where I dug up the photos ;) Details of both Koch and Witzig's further careers are also on the site and in general it gives an excellent overview of the german airborne troops :)

Edit: Sorry if this is not allowed due to this being a piccie thread, but the link was so good I felt I had to share :)

Adler17
May 27, 2004, 12:36 AM
I read the fact, Eben - Emael should have taken by Brandenburger coomandos, on this site. I read again in my books about this raid and it is only mentioned, the soldiers wer indeed a special force, but within the paratrooper force. So I doubt they were Brandenburger.

Adler

privatehudson
May 27, 2004, 06:41 AM
Hmm, every account I have ever read states that they were entirely composed of FJ troops, so whoever said brandenburgers is wrong :)

Edit: Further reading shows that the soldier in troop 4 with the bandage on his head was named Wenzel, a man famous during the attack for sitting on the barrels of the fort's guns and stuffing explosives down them :D

nonconformist
Jun 01, 2004, 02:30 PM
Sorry about my absence guys. Next topic:

Battle For France

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/histoire-militaire/cartes/maginot.jpg
A cross section of the "impregnable" Maginot Line. The French super-fortress was never tried in combat, as the Germans simply bypassed it, leaving the troops inside unharmed but impotent. This shows the outdated Frech concept of infantry warfare.

http://www.kilroywashere.org/05-Images/05-CastleFilms/07-French-Surrender-At-Compiegne.jpg
The French sign the armistice on June 22nd(my birthday :() 1941 in a rail carriage where humiliating terms are imposed.

privatehudson
Jun 01, 2004, 06:14 PM
Wasn't that carrige the same one used to sign the 1918 armistice in a rather deft german touch? :D

Further, somewhere around I read a story about the french managing to lock themselves out of the maginot line in places :lol:

Off topic, I thought it would have been nice to have done something on the Norway and Danemark campaigns :)

nonconformist
Jun 01, 2004, 06:26 PM
Wasn't that carrige the same one used to sign the 1918 armistice in a rather deft german touch?
Yes it was.
Off topic, I thought it would have been nice to have done something on the Norway and Danemark campaigns
I did include something on Norway and Denmark. Second page, around three quarters of the way down.

privatehudson
Jun 01, 2004, 06:48 PM
So you did, sorry :D

Adler17
Jun 02, 2004, 01:20 AM
Here are some photos of the evacuation of Dunkirk:
The first one shows British POW, who had to surrender. The next one shows British soldiers fighting at the beach. The next picture shows a killed allied soldier. Then you can see the torpedoes hitting the French Big destroyer Jaguar, which was sunk by the Eboats S 21 and S 31. The picture is made from an Eboat. The last picture shows the wreck of another French destroyer, L´Adroit. She was sunk by German planes.

Adler

Adler17
Jun 02, 2004, 01:22 AM
This time I decided not to place the pictures to be seen at once because of the picture of the killed allied soldier. I know there are other pictures here which are even worse but nevertheless it is over to you to view or not.

Adler

nonconformist
Jun 03, 2004, 12:51 PM
http://faculty-web.at.northwestern.edu/art-history/werckmeister/April_29_1999/Paris.jpg
Hitler strolls through the newly-captured Paris. To his right, I believe is Albert Speer, minister of armaments and unitions, head of the Todt organisatioin and inspector-general of autobahns.


http://sgm.metropoliglobal.com/fotos/28.jpg
Hitler in Paris, again with Speer to his right.

nonconformist
Jun 25, 2004, 11:08 AM
I apologise for the lack of activity. The next subject is:

The Battle of Britain and Operation Sealion.

Darth_Pugwash
Jun 26, 2004, 06:53 AM
The enduring symbol of the Battle of Britain, the Spitfire:

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8519/Spitfires.jpg

German BF 109s:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5763/BF109.jpg

A Stuka:

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6075/Stuka.jpg

London during the Blitz:

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/324/LondonBlitz.jpg

And, last one:

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3463/BoBPoster.jpg

Ballazic
Jun 28, 2004, 07:45 PM
This is excellent.

Adler17
Jun 29, 2004, 02:15 AM
(Later) General Adolf Galland, German fighter ace of the battle of Britain, 104 kills:
No Date Time A/c Type Unit Location Comments
1 12.5.1940 10:10 Hurricane Stab JG 27 10 km W Lüttich Hurricane I (L1970) of 87 Sqn RAF flown by F/O J A Campbell, killed
2 12.5.1940 10:20 Hurricane Stab JG 27 18 km S Lüttich Hurricane I (L1632) of 87 Sqn RAF flown by Sgt F V Howell, baled out
3 12.5.1940 15:50 Hurricane Stab JG 27 7 km EEN Tirlemont
4 16.5.1940 19:30 Spitfire Stab JG 27 5 km S Lille
5 19.5.1940 20:50 Potez 63 Stab JG 27 N Albert
6 19.5.1940 21:45 Potez 63 Stab JG 27 SW Hirson
7 20.5.1940 20:50 Potez 63 Stab JG 27 S Amiens
8 29.5.1940 12:59 Blenheim Stab JG 27 15 km N Gravelines
9 29.5.1940 13:04 Blenheim Stab JG 27 30 km NW Gravelines
10 2.6.1940 9:28 Spitfire Stab JG 27 W Dunkirk
11 9.6.1940 15:55 Curtiss Hawk 75 Stab JG 27 E Rotoy
12 9.6.1940 16:10 Morane MS 406 Stab JG 27 13 km NW Meaux
13 14.6.1940 17:15 Blenheim Stab III./JG 26 22km SE Vernon/Breval
14 14.6.1940 17:28 Battle Stab III./JG 26 10km S Evreux
15 24.7.1940 13:30 Spitfire Stab III./JG 26 30km N Margate Spitfire I of 54 Sqn, RAF flown by P/O J L Allen (12.333 victories), killed in crash-landing
16 25.7.1940 16:17 Spitfire Stab III./JG 26 Dover Harbour Spitfire of 54 Sqn, RAF
17 28.7.1940 15:20 Spitfire Stab III./JG 26 10km NNE Dover Spitfire I (L1035) of 64 Sqn RAF flown by Sub Lt (RN) F Dawson-Paul (8.25/0/1 victories), died of wounds
18 12.8.1940 12:41 Hurricane Stab III./JG 26 NNW Margate Hurricane of 501 Sqn, RAF
19 14.8.1940 13:30 Hurricane Stab III./JG 26 SW Dover
20 15.8.1940 12:55 Spitfire Stab III./JG 26 10km E Dover-Folkestone Possibly Spitfire of 54 Sqn RAF flown by F/Lt A C Deere (19.833/4/7.5 victories), baled out
21 15.8.1940 16:00 Spitfire Stab III./JG 26 15km SE Folkestone Spitfire of 64 Sqn, RAF
22 15.8.1940 16:07 Spitfire Stab III./JG 26 20km SE Dover Spitfire of 64 Sqn, RAF
23 25.8.1940 19:50 Spitfire Stab JG 26 Dungeness-Folkestone
24 28.8.1940 10:00 Defiant Stab JG 26 Faversham Defiant of 264 Sqn, RAF
25 31.8.1940 9:42 Spitfire Stab JG 26 20km SE Cambridge Spitfire of 19 Sqn, RAF
26 31.8.1940 18:50 Spitfire Stab JG 26 Gravesend
27 31.8.1940 19:03 Hurricane Stab JG 26 Maidstone
28 1.9.1940 14:55 Spitfire Stab JG 26 SE London
29 3.9.1940 11:32 Hurricane Stab JG 26 Chelmsford Hurricane of 257 Sqn, RAF
30 6.9.1940 10:20 Hurricane Stab JG 26 Tonbridge Hurricane of 601 Sqn, RAF
31 11.9.1940 16:20 Hurricane Stab JG 26 NW Dungeness Hurricane of 501 Sqn, RAF
32 14.9.1940 17:03 Hurricane Stab JG 26 SE London Hurricane of 253 Sqn RAF
33 15.9.1940 15:30 Hurricane Stab JG 26 Thames Estuary Hurricane I (R 4087) NN-X of 310 Sqn RAF, flown by Sgt. Josef Hubacek
34 18.9.1940 13:35 Hurricane Stab JG 26 Hurricane of 46 Sqn RAF
35 18.9.1940 13:52 Hurricane Stab JG 26 W Rochester Hurricane of 46 Sqn RAF
36 18.9.1940 13:55 Hurricane Stab JG 26 W Rochester Hurricane of 46 Sqn RAF
37 20.9.1940 12:05 Spitfire Stab JG 26 S Hornchurch Spitfire of 222 Sqn, RAF
38 21.9.1940 19:25 Spitfire Stab JG 26 W Ashford-Canterbury Spitfire of 92 Sqn, RAF
39 23.9.1940 10:45 Hurricane Stab JG 26 N Rochester Hurricane of 257 Sqn, RAF
40 23.9.1940 10:45 Hurricane Stab JG 26 N Rochester
41 24.9.1940 10:00 Hurricane Stab JG 26 Rochester Possibly Hurricane (P3878) of 17 Sqn RAF flown by HAC Bird-Wilson (5.2/3/3 victories), baled out
42 30.9.1940 18:05 Hurricane Stab JG 26 S Guidford Hurricane of 303 Sqn, RAF
43 8.10.1940 10:20 Spitfire Stab JG 26 S Eastchurch Spitfire of 66 Sqn, RAF
44 11.10.1940 17:12 Hurricane Stab JG 26 Dartford/Rochester Hurricane of 253 Sqn, RAF
45 11.10.1940 17:00 Spitfire Stab JG 26 SE Chatham/Ashford Spitfire of 421 Flt, RAF
46 15.10.1940 13:50 Spitfire Stab JG 26 S Rochester/Gillingham
47 26.10.1940 17:30 Hurricane Stab JG 26 Maidstone/S London
48 30.10.1940 12:55 Spitfire Stab JG 26 E London Spitfire of 222 Sqn, RAF
49 30.10.1940 17:30 Spitfire Stab JG 26 S Eastchurch/Maidstone Spitfire of 41 Sqn, RAF
50 30.11.1940 17:40 Spitfire Stab JG 26 Canterbury/Maidstone Spitfire of 41 Sqn, RAF
51 1.11.1940 12:50 Spitfire Stab JG 26 W Ashford
52 8.11.1940 15:28 Spitfire Stab JG 26 10km S Dover
53 15.11.1940 14:15 Hurricane Stab JG 26 Near Dover Hurricane of 605 Sqn, RAF
54 17.11.1940 10:20 Hurricane Stab JG 26 W Harwich Possibly Hurricane I (V7500) of 17 Sqn flown by F/Lt Count MB Czernin (17/3.5/4.833 victories), baled out
55 17.11.1940 10:20 Hurricane Stab JG 26 20km E of “sunk” lightship Hurricane of 257 Sqn, RAF
56 17.11.1940 10:15 Hurricane Stab JG 26 E Harwich
- 27.11.1940 17:07 Spitfire Stab JG 26 E Kenley Spitfire of 74 Sqn, RAF, unconfirmed
57 28.11.1940 15:40 Hurricane Stab JG 26 Dartford Hurricane of 249 Sqn, RAF
58 5.12.1940 12:30 Spitfire Stab JG 26 Dover-Dungeness Spitfire of 64 Sqn, RAF
59 4.4.1941 17:50 Spitfire Stab JG 26 Dover-Canterbury Spitfire of 91 Sqn, RAF
60 15.4.1941 17:50 Spitfire Stab JG 26 30km W Dover
61 15.4.1941 18:00 Spitfire Stab JG 26 Dover-Margate Spitfire of 266 Sqn, RAF
- 15.4.1941 18:00 Spitfire Stab JG 26 S England Spitfire of 266 Sqn, RAF, unconfirmed
62 13.6.1941 13:15 Hurricane Stab JG 26 5km W Dover Hurricane of 601 Sqn, RAF
63 13.6.1941 13:18 Hurricane Stab JG 26 10km NE Ashford Hurricane of 601 Sqn, RAF
64 16.6.1941 16:35 Hurricane Stab JG 26 W Boulogne Hurricane of 258 Sqn, RAF
65 17.6.1941 19:38 Hurricane Stab JG 26 15km W St Omer
66 17.6.1941 19:40 Hurricane Stab JG 26 15km W St Omer
67 18.6.1941 18:18 Spitfire Stab JG 26 1km E Ardres Spitfire of 145 Sqn, RAF
68 21.6.1941 12:32 Blenheim Stab JG 26 Near Lumbres Blenheim of 21 Sqn, RAF
- 21.6.1941 12:36 Blenheim Stab JG 26 Merville Blenheim of 21 Sqn, RAF, unconfirmed
69 21.6.1941 16:37 Spitfire Stab JG 26 N Etaples Spitfire of 616 Sqn, RAF
70 2.7.1941 12:30 Blenheim Stab JG 26 Merville Blenheim of 226 Sqn RAF
71 23.7.1941 13:35 Spitfire Stab JG 26 40km NW Gravelines
72 23.7.1941 20:10 Spitfire Stab JG 26 Bruges
73 23.7.1941 20:15 Spitfire Stab JG 26 Bruges
74 7.8.1941 11:23 Spitfire Stab JG 26 Lumbres
75 7.8.1941 17:40 Spitfire Stab JG 26 10km NW St Omer
76 9.8.1941 11:32 Spitfire Stab JG 26 NW St Pol Spitfire of 452 Sqn RAF
- 9.8.1941 17:41 Spitfire Stab JG 26 N Ardres unconfirmed
77 12.8.1941 13:12 Spitfire Stab JG 26 20km W Vlissingen Spitfire (P6793) of 19 Sqn RAF
78 12.8.1941 13:18 Blenheim Stab JG 26 W Haamstede-Scheldt Estuary Blenheim of 139 Sqn RAF flown by F/L GA Herbert, 3 crew killed
79 19.8.1941 11:55 Spitfire Stab JG 26 Bergues
80 19.8.1941 19:32 Spitfire Stab JG 26 NW St Omer Spitfire of 111 Sqn RAF
81 19.8.1941 19:45 Hurricane Stab JG 26 SE Gravelines Hurricane of 71 Sqn RAF
82 4.9.1941 17:19 Blenheim Stab JG 26 N St Omer Blenheim of 18 Sqn, RAF
83 7.9.1941 17:19 Spitfire Stab JG 26 20km W Boulogne Spitfire of 71 Sqn, RAF
84 20.9.1941 16:45 Spitfire Stab JG 26 Bergues-Bourbourg
85 20.9.1941 16:55 Spitfire Stab JG 26 6km NW Braye-Dunes
86 21.9.1941 16:23 Spitfire Stab JG 26 SE Etaples
87 21.9.1941 17:35 Spitfire Stab JG 26 S Dunkirk Spitfire of 111 Sqn RAF
88 13.10.1941 14:17 Spitfire Stab JG 26 St Omer
89 13.10.1941 14:27 Blenheim Stab JG 26 Samer Blenheim of 139 Sqn, RAF
90 21.10.1941 12:54 Spitfire Stab JG 26 W Samer
91 21.10.1941 12:58 Spitfire Stab JG 26 6km W Hardelot
92 21.10.1941 18:16 Spitfire Stab JG 26 15km W Boulogne Spitfire of 611 Sqn RAF
93 27.10.1941 13:25 Spitfire Stab JG 26 S Dunkirk Spitfire of 401 Sqn RAF flown by Sgt B Hodgkinson, POW
94 8.11.1941 12:58 Spitfire Stab JG 26 Near Montreuil Spitfire of 315 Sqn, RAF
95 8.11.1941 13:00 Spitfire Stab JG 26 10km S Hazebrouck
96 18.11.1941 12:32 Spitfire Stab JG 26 W Boulogne Spitfire of 602 Sqn RAF
? 1944 - B-17 Stab G.d.J. unconfirmed ?
? 1944 - B-17 Stab G.d.J. unconfirmed ?
98 3.4.1945 - P-38 JV 44
99 5.4.1945 - B-24 JV 44
100 16.4.1945 - B-26 JV 44 with R4M rockets
101 16.4.1945 - B-26 JV 44 with R4M rockets
102 21.4.1945 - B-17 JV 44
103 26.4.1945 11:50~ B-26 JV 44 München-Reim B-26 of 17 BG, USAAF
104 26.4.1945 11:55~ B-26 JV 44 München Reim B-26 of 17 BG, USAAF

Victories : 104
Awards : Ritterkreuz (1 August 1940)
Eichenlaub (25 September 1940)
Schwerter (21 June 1941)
Brillanten (28 January 1942)
Units : JG 27, JG 26, JV 44


And here are the photos:

Adler

Adler17
Jun 29, 2004, 02:19 AM
The photo on the last post shows Galland smoking one of hie loved cigarres while being prepared for a new combat flight. So many people seemed to be necessary to prepare him! He seeemed to think he would be a knight to get his armor before the fight ;).
This is another picture of him after arriving the home air field again:

Adler17
Jun 29, 2004, 02:21 AM
And here is another picture of Galland:

Adler

Adler17
Jun 29, 2004, 02:22 AM
Here is a drawing of his Me 109 while the BoB:

Adler17
Jun 29, 2004, 02:23 AM
And here is the emblem: Mickey Mouse!

Adler

Adler17
Jun 29, 2004, 02:31 AM
The other German super ace: Werner "Vati" Mölders, 115 kills.

No Date Time A/c Type Unit Location Comments
1. 15.7.1938 - Curtiss 3. J/88 Algar area
2. 17.7.1938 - Curtiss 3. J/88 N Liria
3. 19.7.1938 - Rata 3. J/88 W Villar del Arzobispo
4. 19.8.1938 - Rata 3. J/88 Flix area
5. 23.8.1938 - SB-2 3. J/88 Albi area
6. 9.9.1938 - Rata 3. J/88 Flix area
7. 13.9.1938 - Rata 3. J/88 Flix area
8. 23.9.1938 - Rata 3. J/88 SW Ginestar
- 23.9.1938 - Rata 3. J/88 not confirmed
9. 10.10.1938 - Rata 3. J/88 NE Flix
10. 15.10.1938 - Rata 3. J/88 W La Figuera
11. 15.10.1938 - Rata 3. J/88 Sierra de Montsant area
12. 31.10.1938 - Rata 3. J/88 NW Flix
13. 31.10.1938 - Rata 3. J/88 S Ribarroja
14. 3.11.1938 - Rata 3. J/88 Mola area
15. 20.9.1939 14:30 Curtiss 1./JG 53 W Merzig Hawk H-75A of GC II/5, Armée de l’air flown by Sgt Queginer, baled out
16. 30.10.1939 11:12 Blenheim III./JG 53 Near Klüsserath Blenheim I (L6694) of 18 Sqn, RAF flown by Flt Lt AA Dilnot, crew killed
17. 22.12.1939 15:05 Morane III./JG 53 15km NE Metz Hurricane (N2385) of 73 Sqn, RAF flown by Sgt RM Berry, killed
18. 2.3.1940 12:20 Hurricane III./JG 53 Völklingen Possibly Hurricane I (L1808) of 73 S1n, RAF flown by F/O EJ Kain (19/0/2 victories), crash-landed at Toul
19. 3.3.1940 13:55 Morane III./JG 53 Metz Morane 406 of GC II/3, Armée de l’air flown by Cpl Chef Korber, crash-landed at Toul
20. 26.3.1940 15:00 Morane III./JG 53 Diedenhofen Hurricane I of 73 Sqn, RAF flown by F/O N Orton, returned damaged
21. 2.4.1940 12:10 Hurricane III./JG 53 St Avold Hurricane I of 1 Sqn, RAF flown by P/O CD Palmer, baled out
22. 20.4.1940 11:54 Curtiss III./JG 53 Zweibrücken area Probably Hawk H-75A (No 136) of GC II/4, Armée de l’air flown by Adj Chef Cruchant, crash-landed near Bliesbück badly wounded
23. 23.4.1940 11:14 Hurricane III./JG 53 S Diedenhofen Probably Hurricane I (N2391) of 73 Sqn, RAF flown by Sgt CNS Campbell, baled out wounded
24. 14.5.1940 16:30 Hurricane III./JG 53 Sedan-Charville
25. 15.5.1940 13:05 Hurricane III./JG 53 Sedan
26. 19.5.1940 9:35 Curtiss III./JG 53 NE Reims
27. 20.5.1940 19:15 Vickers III./JG 53 Compiegne Possibly Vickers Wellesley
28. 21.5.1940 17:30 Morane III./JG 53
29. 21.5.1940 17:50 Morane III./JG 53
30. 21.5.1940 19:18 Morane III./JG 53
31. 22.5.1940 17:50 Potez 63 III./JG 53 SW Mourmelon airfield
32. 25.5.1940 18:55 Morane III./JG 53 Villers Cotterets Forest
33. 27.5.1940 9:10 Curtiss III./JG 53 15km SW Amiens Mölders said it was a Bloch 152
34. 27.5.1940 9:11 Curtiss III./JG 53 15km SW Amiens Mölders said it was a Bloch 152
35. 31.5.1940 19:00 LeO 45 III./JG 53 Abbéville-Amiens LeO 451
36. 3.6.1940 14:30 Curtiss III./JG 53 Paris Possibly D.520
37. 3.6.1940 15:00 Spitfire III./JG 53 Paris
38. 5.6.1940 11:20 Bloch III./JG 53 Compiegne
39. 5.6.1940 11:23 Potez 63 III./JG 53 Compiegne
40. 28.7.1940 - Spitfire Stab/JG 51 Dover Spitfire I of 41 Sqn, RAF flown by F/O ADJ Lovell (18.5/2/10.666 victories), crash-landed wounded
41. 26.8.1940 12:55 Spitfire Stab/JG 51 Folkestone
42. 28.8.1940 10:40 Curtiss Stab/JG 51 NE Dover
43. 28.8.1940 18:40 Hurricane Stab/JG 51 Canterbury
44. 31.8.1940 9:50 Hurricane Stab/JG 51 between Folkestone and Dover
45. 31.8.1940 9:50~ Hurricane Stab/JG 51 between Folkestone and Dover
46. 31.8.1940 9:50~ Hurricane Stab/JG 51 between Folkestone and Dover
47. 6.9.1940 14:40 Spitfire Stab/JG 51 Folkestone
48. 7.9.1940 18:30 Spitfire Stab/JG 51 London
49. 9.9.1940 18:45 Spitfire Stab/JG 51 London
50. 11.9.1940 17:05 Hurricane Stab/JG 51 SE London
51. 14.9.1940 17:40 Spitfire Stab/JG 51 SW London
52. 16.9.1940 8:50 Hurricane Stab/JG 51 London
53. 20.9.1940 12:34 Spitfire Stab/JG 51 Near Folkestone Spitfire of 92 Sqn, RAF flown by P/O HP Hill
54. 20.9.1940 12:34 Spitfire Stab/JG 51 Near Folkestone Spitfire of 92 Sqn, RAF flown by Sgt PR Eyles
55. 27.9.1940 17:00 Spitfire Stab/JG 51 Near Maidstone Possibly Spitfire I (P9364) of 222 Sqn, RAF flown by Sgt E Scott (5/3/0 victories), killed
56. 28.9.1940 15:00 Spitfire Stab/JG 51 Near Littlestone
57. 11.10.1940 12:30 Spitfire Stab/JG 51 Near Folkestone Spitfire I (X4562) of 66 Sqn, RAF flown by P/O JHT Pickering, baled out over Canterbury, wounded
58. 12.10.1940 10:40 Hurricane Stab/JG 51 Liquizue
59. 12.10.1940 10:40 Hurricane Stab/JG 51 Cauberberg
60. 12.10.1940 10:45 Hurricane Stab/JG 51 Dungeness
61. 15.10.1940 9:15 Hurricane Stab/JG 51 Kneleig
62. 17.10.1940 16:25 Spitfire Stab/JG 51 London
63. 22.10.1940 15:40 Hurricane Stab/JG 51 NW Maidstone
64. 22.10.1940 15:40~ Hurricane Stab/JG 51 NW Maidstone
65. 22.10.1940 15:40~ Hurricane Stab/JG 51 NW Maidstone
66. 25.10.1940 10:45 Spitfire Stab/JG 51 NW Dover Spitfire I (P7365) of 603 Sqn, RAF flown by P/O SF Soden
67. 25.10.1940 13:10 Spitfire Stab/JG 51 Margate Spitfire I (P7309) of 603 Sqn, RAF flown by P/O P Oliver
68. 29.10.1940 13:55 Hurricane Stab/JG 51 Dungeness
69. 1.12.1940 15:15 Hurricane Stab/JG 51 Ashforth
70. 10.2.1941 17:29 Spitfire Stab/JG 51 5km NNE Calais
71. 20.2.1941 16:56 Spitfire Stab/JG 51 Dover
72. 20.2.1941 16:59 Spitfire Stab/JG 51 Dover
73. 25.2.1941 15:20 Spitfire Stab/JG 51 N Gravelines
74. 26.2.1941 18:22 Spitfire Stab/JG 51 SW Dungeness
75. 12.3.1941 19:15 Spitfire Stab/JG 51 Dungeness Spitfire II of 74 Sqn, RAF flown by Sgt JN Glendinning (4/1/1 victories), killed
76. 13.3.1941 15:22 Spitfire Stab/JG 51 SW Boulogne Spitfire of 64 Sqn, RAF flown by Sqn Ldr ARD MacDonnell (12.5.1.7 victories), baled out, POW
77. 15.4.1941 - Spitfire Stab/JG 51 Boulogne
78. 16.4.1941 - Hurricane Stab/JG 51 SW Dungeness
79. 16.4.1941 - Spitfire Stab/JG 51 S Le Touquet
80. 4.5.1941 - Hurricane Stab/JG 51 E Canterbury
81. 6.5.1941 - Hurricane Stab/JG 51 Dover
82. 8.5.1941 - Spitfire Stab/JG 51 Dover
83. 22.6.1941 - Curtiss Stab/JG 51 I-153 of 123 IAP/10SAD, VVS
84. 22.6.1941 - SB-2 Stab/JG 51
85. 22.6.1941 - SB-2 Stab/JG 51
86. 22.6.1941 - SB-2 Stab/JG 51
87. 22.6.1941 - SB-2 Stab/JG 51
88. 24.6.1941 - SB-2 Stab/JG 51
89. 25.6.1941 - SB-2 Stab/JG 51
90. 29.6.1941 - Pe-2 Stab/JG 51
91. 29.6.1941 - I-16 Stab/JG 51
92. 30.6.1941 - SB-2 Stab/JG 51 Bobyruysk area
93. 30.6.1941 - SB-2 Stab/JG 51 Bobyruysk area
94. 30.6.1941 - SB-2 Stab/JG 51 Bobyruysk area
95. 30.6.1941 - SB-2 Stab/JG 51 Bobyruysk area
96. 30.6.1941 - SB-2 Stab/JG 51 Bobyruysk area
97. 5.7.1941 - SB-2 Stab/JG 51
98. 5.7.1941 - SB-2 Stab/JG 51
99. 5.7.1941 - I-18 Stab/JG 51 MiG-3
100. 5.7.1941 - I-18 Stab/JG 51 MiG-3
101. 9.7.1941 - Curtiss Stab/JG 51 Rogachev-Orsha-Smolensk area I-153
102. 9.7.1941 - Curtiss Stab/JG 51 Rogachev-Orsha-Smolensk area I-153
103. 9.7.1941 - I-16 Stab/JG 51 Rogachev-Orsha-Smolensk area
104. 10.7.1941 - RZ Stab/JG 51 Rogachev-Orsha-Smolensk area
105. 10.7.1941 - RZ Stab/JG 51 Rogachev-Orsha-Smolensk area
106. 11.7.1941 - E/a Stab/JG 51 Rogachev-Orsha-Smolensk area
107. 11.7.1941 - E/a Stab/JG 51
108. 12.7.1941 - E/a Stab/JG 51
109. 13.7.1941 - E/a Stab/JG 51
110. 13.7.1941 - E/a Stab/JG 51
111. 14.7.1941 - Pe-2 Stab/JG 51
112. 14.7.1941 - Pe-2 Stab/JG 51
113. 14.7.1941 - Pe-2 Stab/JG 51
114. 15.7.1941 - E/a Stab/JG 51
115. 15.7.1941 - E/a Stab/JG 51
- 8.11.1941 - Il-2 Stab/JG 77


Victories : 115
Awards : Knight's Cross with Oak Leaves, Swords and Diamonds
Units : J/88, JG 53, JG 51

After his last air victory he lost the permission to fly combat missions. He became the first General der Jagdflieger and used new tactics in Russia. When Udet commited suicide he returned to Germany, but his transport plane crashed near Breslau. He died on that 22 November 1941. Galland became his successor.
Here is Mölders:

Adler

Adler17
Jun 29, 2004, 02:33 AM
And here he is in front of his plane:

Adler

Darth_Pugwash
Jun 29, 2004, 05:30 AM
IIRC, when someone asked Adolf Galland what he needed to win the Battle of Britain, Galland's answer was "a squadron of Spitfires!"

RAF pilots waiting to be called into action:

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5264/bob_raf_pilots.jpg

Darth_Pugwash
Jun 29, 2004, 05:43 AM
Some more photos of London during the Blitz:

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/9876/blitzfirefighters.jpg

http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/6316/BusBlitz.jpg

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/9606/WW2theBlitzStPaulsCathedral.jpg

rilnator
Jun 29, 2004, 07:57 AM
Alder17, are you going to give us all of Hartmann's victories? or would that take up too much time and space.
I wonder how many kills Molders and Galland would have had if they'd flown for the full 4 years against the Russians.
Is strafing a plane on an airfield counted as a kill?

dgfred
Jun 29, 2004, 10:13 AM
This is excellent.


Great posting Alder17. :goodjob: Very interesting stats and pictures :scan: .

Adler17
Jun 29, 2004, 11:50 AM
Sorry, I looked out for that but the source is missing Erich Hartmann! They have not listed his portrait. And Barkhorn is also listed with his victories until nr. 151. 150 missing!

Adler

Darth_Pugwash
Jul 13, 2004, 11:35 AM
:bump:

10 characters........

Darth_Pugwash
Jul 13, 2004, 11:46 AM
Air Marshall Sir Hugh Dowding:

Darth_Pugwash
Jul 13, 2004, 11:51 AM
And his German counterpart, Herman Goering:

Darth_Pugwash
Jul 13, 2004, 12:04 PM
Time for a new topic, before this thread dies again.

Darth_Pugwash
Jun 19, 2006, 10:25 AM
Why did this thread have to die? :cry:

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6986/spit1vic8po.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

El Justo
Jun 19, 2006, 02:46 PM
hey! i remember this thread! thanks to whomever dug it up!

anyhow, i post some stuff relative to U-869 which apparently sank not far from where i live. check out his neat interactive memorial (in English)

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostsub/tour.html

and some info on 'Hitler's Lost U-Boats'
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostsub/images/map_of_lostuboats.gif

El Justo
Jun 19, 2006, 03:48 PM
here's another interesting pictorial of U Boat warfare along the east coast of the US. i thought that the photos were pretty rare.

you see, there's lots of wrecks from German u-boats in the waters not far from where i live. they're actually excellent 'man-made' reefs that attract a great deal of marine life. these wrecks are even shown on nautical maps w/ other info like which u-boat sank it, etc. i've even caught some fish near these wrecks...

anyway - here is a story about the Pan Pennsylvania which was a tanker ship and one of the largest tanker of her day. she was sunk by the USS Sagamore (an American Destroyer Escort) after receiving damage from U-550. it is believed that the u-boat wreck is located somewhere off the east coast of Long Island (north of where i live).

Pan Pennsylvania
http://www.njscuba.net/sites/img-wreck/pan_pennsylvania_2.jpg
Type: T3 tanker, USA
Built: 1943, Norfolk VA, USA
Specs: ( 516 x 70 ft ) 11017 gross tons
Sunk: Sunday April 16, 1944
torpedoed by U-550, then shelled and sunk by USS Sagamore - 60 survivors
Depth: 300+ ft ?


U-550
http://www.njscuba.net/sites/img-wreck/u-boat_type-ixc.gif
Type: Type IXC/40 U-boat, Kriegsmarine, Germany
Built: 1942, Germany
Specs: ( 252 x 22 ft ) 740 displacement tons, 56 crew
Sunk: Saturday April 16, 1944
by depth charges and gunfire from destroyer escorts USS Gandy, USS Joyce and USS Peterson after torpedoing tanker Pan Pennsylvania - 44 casualties.
Depth: 300+ ft ?


The U-550, a Type IX C-40 U-boat under the command of Kapitanleutnant Klaus Hanert, departed on her first patrol on 6 February 1944. She sailed from Kiel for the North Atlantic and conducted weather reporting duties before sailing for Newfoundland and later the northeast coast of the United States. On 16 April, south of Nantucket Island, she located convoy CU-21, bound for Great Britain from New York. The tanker SS Pan Pennsylvania, one of the largest tankers in the world, was unwisely straggling behind the convoy and the U-550 torpedoed her. The tanker quickly caught fire and began to sink. As the tanker settled, the submerged U-boat sailed underneath her in an effort to hide from the inevitable counter-attack by the convoy's escorts.

Convoy CU-21 was escorted by Escort Division 22, consisting of Coast Guard-manned destroyer escorts reinforced by one Navy DE, the USS Gandy, which took the place of the USS Leopold, which had been lost in action the previous month. The escort division's flagship, USS Joyce and the USS Peterson rescued the tanker's surviving crew, and then the Joyce detected the U-boat on sonar as the Germans attempted to escape after hiding beneath the sinking tanker. The U-550's engineering officer later said, "We waited for your ship to leave; soon we could hear nothing so we thought the escort vessels had gone; but as soon as we started to move -- bang!" The Joyce delivered a depth-charge pattern that bracketed the submerged submarine. The depth charges were so well placed, a German reported, that one actually bounced off the U-boat's deck before it exploded.

The attack severely damaged the U-550 and forced the Germans to surface, where they manned and began firing their deck guns. The Joyce, Peterson, and a Navy destroyer escort, the USS Gandy, returned their fire. The Gandy then rammed it abaft the conning tower, and the Peterson dropped two depth charges which exploded near the U-boat's hull. Realizing they were defeated, the U-boat's crew prepared scuttling charges and abandoned their submarine. The Joyce rescued 13 of the U-550's crew, one of whom later died from wounds received during the fire-fight. The remainder of the U-boatmen went down with their submarine. Joyce delivered the prisoners of war and the Pan Pennsylvania survivors to the authorities in Great Britain.

http://www.njscuba.net/sites/img-wreck/panpa_u550_02.jpg
Pan Pennsylvania burns in the background as the stricken U-550 surfaces

http://www.njscuba.net/sites/img-wreck/panpa_u550_04a.jpg
German sailors abandoning ship

http://www.njscuba.net/sites/img-wreck/panpa_u550_04b.jpg

http://www.njscuba.net/sites/img-wreck/panpa_u550_04d.jpg
(Various views of the same photo) after briefly continuing the fight with deck guns

http://www.njscuba.net/sites/img-wreck/panpa_u550_03.jpg

http://www.njscuba.net/sites/img-wreck/panpa_u550_01.jpg
The U-550 sinks (ironically, a day before her victim)
Photographed from USS Joyce DE-317

There is a grisly postscript to the sinking of the U-550. According to the Easter Sea Frontier's War Diary account of the sinking of the U-550, apparently some of the crew actually survived the sinking and were trapped in a forward compartment. They apparently attempted to escape from the U-boat as it lay on the ocean floor using their escape lungs. At 1515 on 5 May 1944, the Coastal Picket Patrol CGR 3082 recovered a body from the sea in 39° 51' North x 71° 58' West, about 93 miles ESE of Ambrose. The body was clothed in a German type life jacket. From the markings on his clothing it was possible that them man's name was "Hube." A German escape lung was found near his body as well. An autopsy performed on the body indicated that the individual died only five days before his body was discovered -- the U-550 had been sunk on 16 April and the body was found 19 days later. Two other bodies were subsequently found. The first, picked up by another picket boat, CGR-1989, at 1730 on 11 May, was fully clothed, had an escape lung and life jacket on. He was found in a rubber raft. Identification marks indicated the man was a German sailor named Wilhelm Flade, age about 17. The body was transferred from CGR-1989 to CGR 1338 on the morning of 12 May 1944 and was brought to Tompkinsville. On 16 May a third body was sighted and picked up by USS SC-630. It was stated that the uniform and insignia indicated the victim had been a German crewman, although he carried no identification; that he had been in the water more than 18 days.

The War Diary report continued: "Further evidence is lacking to complete the apparent story of successful attempts made by certain men to escape from compartments in the vicinity of torpedo tubes or escape hatches. Curiously, the area was not entirely deserted by patrol vessels. On the day following the torpedoing of the Pan Pennsylvania, a vessel was sent to the area to effect salvage operations or to sink the derelict [tanker] in order to remove such a menace to navigation. This vessel spent some time in trying to sink with gunfire the still buoyant and burning hulk of the Pan Pennsylvania. No survivors were sighted during these operations. Questions were raised as to the possibility of some survivors having been able to reach the southern shore of Long Island, since the sub sank only 150 miles from Montauk Point; only 70 miles from Nantucket. Although such considerations should not be dismissed, it is doubtful that men aboard the smallest type rubber rafts would be able to cover so great a distance without being detected before they reached shore."
~taken from USCG records...

Adler17
Jun 20, 2006, 02:26 AM
This was the only success of U 550. There were 12 survivors of U 550 btw.

However I do not have a picture but a link to a movie:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7009975008653689943&q=hms

It shows the sinking of HMS Barham, torpedoed by U 331 (v. Tiesenhausen). 862 men of 1311 died.

Adler

Darth_Pugwash
Jun 20, 2006, 07:42 AM
hey! i remember this thread! thanks to whomever dug it up!

That would be me

Thanks for that post by the way El Justo, very interesting :goodjob:

YNCS
Jun 20, 2006, 04:20 PM
Here's a couple of pictures of a WW2 secret weapon, The Great Panjandrum. The author Neville Shute, whose real name was Neville Shute Norway, was an engineer. During WW2, he worked for the Royal Navy's Department of Miscellaneous Weapon Development. The DMWD (aka "Wheezers and Dodgers") was a highly irregular group of scientists and engineers gathered together by Commander Sir Charles Goodeve to develop innovative weapons outside of normal channels.

http://www.nevilshute.org/Engineering/JohnAnderson/Graphics/topdown_5.jpg

http://www.nevilshute.org/Engineering/JohnAnderson/Graphics/topdown_4.jpg

This was a device designed to blow holes in coastal fortifications. It consisted of an explosive filled drum with a 6 foot (2 metre) diameter wheel on either end. The wheels each had ten cordite rockets attached for propulsion. The Great Panjandrum was to be launched from a landing craft, roar up the beach, hit the target and then explode. It was guided by two cables which operated brakes on each wheel. There is a film, which is sometimes shown in history documentaries, of a prototype in action with Shute Norway operating the brake cables. The second picture above is a photograph showing Shute Norway at the controls. In the film the Great Panjandrum goes straight for about 15 feet, then Shute Norway engages a brake. The infernal engine makes a 540º turn and then heads straight toward the audience of VIPs. Things get rather exciting at that point. There were no casualties, except to the egos of various admirals, generals and bureaucrats.

Dann
Jun 20, 2006, 07:56 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol:

El Justo
Jun 21, 2006, 09:21 AM
i'd like to contribute a little something that i actually have a connection with (well - not me but my granddad on my father's side).

you see - my grandfather worked here during the war. not on the docks or anything. he worked in the on-site offices (he was legally blind actually after a horrific accident he suffered as a teen; he was accidently hit in the head w/ a baseball bat :( ).

anyhow - this joint was the lifeblood of the community during the years of the war. New York Shipyard employed thousands of locals and it was a humongous contributor to the community. however, the name of the place is deceiving b/c the yard was actually located in southern NJ, right across the Delaware River from Philadelphia, PA. this is about 60 miles from where i live now. however, it was only 6 or 7 miles from where i grew up.

http://www.fairview.ws/beginnings/shipyard/images/NYSC_01.jpg

THE New York Shipbuilding Corporation was organized in 1899. The original plan was to build the new plant on Staten Island, and the company which was formed was therefore called the New York Shipbuilding Company. Inability to acquire the desired site, however, necessitated a survey of other locations down the coast as far as Virginia. The result of investigations by several inspection parties was the purchase of a tract of approximately 160 acres on the east side of the Delaware River in the southern part of the city of Camden, New Jersey, across the river from Philadelphia. The ground conditions were especially suited to the building of shipway foundations, and railway facilities were adequate. Time has shown the selection to have been a good one.
citation - 50 Years: New York Shipbuilding, Camden, N.J. (The New York Shipbuilding Corporation, Camden, NJ, 1949).

http://www.fairview.ws/beginnings/shipyard/images/NYSC_12_13.jpg
Artist's Drawing of New York Shipbuilding Corporation Site, c. 1899, from an old photograph of the 160 acre farm on the Delaware River selected as the site of the New York Shipbuilding Company. The old farmhouse, near the center of this picture, was moved to the street and was an integral, but distinctive, part of the Employment Office (where my grandfather worked) and Hospital Buildings.

At the outset it was decided to break away from the old century's accepted traditions of shipbuilding and build a yard in which could be applied the most up-to-date labor-saving machinery and advanced methods of structural steel construction. The planning and opening of the New York Shipbuilding Company yard was due mainly to the foresight and energy of the late Henry G. Morse, its first president.

http://www.fairview.ws/beginnings/shipyard/images/morse.jpg
Henry G. Morse

Mr. Morse, who had resigned from the presidency of the Harlan and Hollingsworth Company, of Wilmington, Del., to form the new shipyard, was the guiding force throughout "New York Ship’s" organization. He survived the completion of the yard and the delivery of the first nine ships. Up to the time of his death he had secured for his company twenty contracts. Among these was the armored cruiser WASHINGTON, first Naval vessel ordered from New York Ship.

Ground was broken for New York Ship on July 3, 1899. Contracts for preliminary work and equipment for the yard were let within a month. On June 15, 1900, in the sixth month of the new century and the twelfth month of the new yard, the contract for New York Ship's first vessel was signed. On November 29, 1900, the keel was laid.
citation - 50 Years: New York Shipbuilding, Camden, N.J. (The New York Shipbuilding Corporation, Camden, NJ, 1949).

http://www.fairview.ws/beginnings/shipyard/images/NYSC_12.jpg
The new yard under construction in 1900. This picture was apparently taken on August 17, 1900. Notice how the covered ways are just beginning to take shape.

http://www.fairview.ws/beginnings/shipyard/images/NYSC_13.jpg
The yard in 1901 showing the completed ways and original buildings along with the farmhouse in its new position facing Broadway.

http://www.fairview.ws/beginnings/shipyard/images/NYSC_09.jpg
the USS Washington CA in 1930. This ship was the first one ordered from the yard for the USN.

A snippet taken from fas.org:
New York Ship Building Corporation, also known as the New York Shipyards, was located in Camden NJ, across the Delaware River from downtown Philadelphia. This south New Jersey facility closed in 1967. The USS Kitty Hawk, launched in 1961, was one of the last major shipbuilding projects at the yard. Construction of the SSN-647 Pogy began at Camden, though in January 1968 the boat was towed to the Philadelphia Naval Shipyard for completion, following the cancellation of the contract with New York Shipbuilding on 05 June 1967.

Camden City, located in the southwestern section of New Jersey, is the seventh largest City in the state. The nearby Audubon Park community was created for New York Shipyard employees in 1941. Camden was once self-sufficient, a thriving metropolis turning out battleships during World War II from the New York Shipyard that employed thousands in the city. Campbell Soup and RCA Victor were there, too. But the shipyard closed; RCA merged, diversified and eventually sold out; and Campbell has closed the plant where it once made soup. Camden is faced with a dwindling tax base and a dearth of industry and commerce.

Despite Camden's socio-economic decline, the City's strategic location offers hope that this trend may be reversed. Located directly across the Delaware River from Philadelphia, Camden has easy access to many different forms of transportation. Camden has access to the international market through the City's ports which rank among the nation's leaders in the shipment of bulk cargo.

http://members.aol.com/nyship/jpg/nyphoto.jpg

snippet taken from the New York Shipbuilding Company Historical Site on the web:
New York Ship was the dream of Henry G. Morse. After spending 25 years building iron bridges and tunnels for a variety of companies, and two years as president of the Harlan & Hollingsworth shipyard in Wilmington, Delaware, Morse decided it was time to start his own company. With the financial support of Andrew Mellon and Henry Frick, Morse set out to build a state of the art shipyard. He named his company New York Ship, because it was originally intended to be located on Staten Island. Instead, Morse decided on a site in Camden, NJ, which offered better land, rail facilities, and access to a great number of experienced shipyard workers. The name was kept, and in 1899 Morse began constructing his shipyard.

New York Ship opened in 1900. It operated according to Morse's five principals, which made it the most modern and efficient shipyard in the country, if not the world. First, New York Ship used the template system, which called for fabrication and assembly to be done separately. The second was that all major parts should be prefabricated. Third, overhead cranes connected all parts of the yard, for easy movement of parts. Fourth, the shipbuilding ways were roofed to avoid delays caused by bad weather. Fifth, many tasks that were usually completed during outfitting were completed before launching.

The first ship, MS Dollar, was launched in 1901. Among the notable ships built during the pre-war period were a series of tankers for Gulf Oil, and New York Ship's first warship, the cruiser Washington. The success of its first dreadnought battleship, USS Michigan, led to a series of contracts for battleships, including USS Utah, USS Arkansas, and USS Oklahoma. By 1914, New York Shipbuilding (NYS) was a leader in naval construction

The First World War saw NYS become the largest shipyard in the world, with the creation of the middle and southern yards. These additions were necessary due to a growing backlog of civilian and naval construction orders. A number of vessels, including battleships Oklahoma, Colorado and Idaho, completed too late to serve in WWI, would see action during the Second World War. The most famous ship built by NYS during this era was the USS Saratoga (CV-3). Originally designed as a battle cruiser, she was converted to an aircraft carrier in accordance with the "Washington Treaty" limiting naval armaments. She was the first fast carrier in the United States Navy. "Sara" can be considered the forerunner of the Independence class carriers built by NYS sixteen years later. They too would be transformed from cruisers. It was also during the years of WWI that New York Ship began to build communities designed to attract and house an ever increasing work force. Yorkship Village, today known as Fairview, was an example of this type of self-contained neighborhood.

On July 5, 1939, while the citizens of Camden and Philadelphia went about their everyday business, the men and women of New York Shipbuilding (NYS) went to war. Technically the United States of America was still considered a neutral nation in the midst of an expanding World War, but in actuality the "arsenal of democracy" was, belatedly, preparing to enter a conflict that President Roosevelt felt would eventually engulf our nation. To this end, the United States Navy had begun a massive rebuilding program which would place our country's naval forces on a level playing field with those of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. Over the next six years New York Shipbuilding Corporation would play a vital role in the construction of the most powerful Navy to ever sail the oceans of the world. Laying the keel for the battleship USS South Dakota (BB-57) on July 5, 1939 was just the beginning.

During the Second World War New York Shipbuilding Corporation would supply 26 heavy combatant ships for service in the U.S. Navy. Among this number were 2 destroyer tenders, 3 seaplane tenders, 1 repair ship, 8 light cruisers, 9 light aircraft carriers, 2 battle cruisers and 1 battleship. This is not to mention 44 other ships that were on active duty prior to America's official entry into the war. In all, 70 ships originally built by NYS for the Navy saw service during WWII. This number does not include 148 landing craft (LCIs and LCTs) constructed at NYS during the year 1942.

New York Shipbuilding had been a major builder of civilian vessels during its first 43 years in business. Military needs necessitated the conversion of its entire facility to the production of naval combatant ships during the Second World War. To say that the workers of NYS responded magnificently to needs of their country's Navy would be an understatement. In a one-year period, from March 15, 1942 until March 15, 1943 the "Yard" delivered new naval construction representing an aggregate value of $217,000,000. The bulk of these deliveries consisted of heavy combatant ships from 12,000 to 35,000 tons displacement, which were completed from 8 to 13 months ahead of contract delivery dates. This total output of large naval combatant ships, in twelve months, has never been exceeded by a single shipyard in the history of shipbuilding. At its peak period of production during the War, well over 30,000 men and women were employed at New York Shipbuilding.

Following the war, New York Ship moved into the nuclear age, by producing a series of nuclear submarines, and the first commercial nuclear ship NS Savannah. The contract to build the carrier Kittyhawk also kept the yard running for a while, but as military contracts dried up in the mid-sixties, the company could not continue. The last ship to leave the yard, USS Guardfish, was completed in October 1967, and then New York Ship went out of business.

and a link to all of the ships produced at 'NY Ship':
Contract Numbers 1-542 (http://members.aol.com/nyship/ships.html)

nonconformist
Jun 21, 2006, 10:07 AM
Can i just ask all of you to, if possible, get the images on a dedicated image server, as if any of the websites you're linking to go down, all the images disappear :)

joycem10
Jun 21, 2006, 12:51 PM
Photographed from USS Joyce DE-317

Ive gotta get a pic of the stern of the USS Joyce for my office.

El Justo
Jun 21, 2006, 01:33 PM
Ive gotta get a pic of the stern of the USS Joyce for my office.
very nice :goodjob:

dgfred
Jun 21, 2006, 03:30 PM
Good stuff on the 'shipyard' El J :goodjob: . Well done as usual. :cool:

7ronin
Jun 21, 2006, 05:15 PM
Very interesting, El J. What's next up your sleeve?

YNCS
Jun 21, 2006, 05:56 PM
.

http://www.fairview.ws/beginnings/shipyard/images/NYSC_09.jpg
the USS Washington CA in 1930. This ship was the first one ordered from the yard for the USN. While I can read "Washington" on the bow, this ship is not an armored cruiser. She's a passenger liner. Notice the complete lack of guns. The hull painted black (or another dark color) and the superstructure painted a light color. U.S. warships in the 1930s were painted battleship gray.

Also, according to the U.S. Navy Historical Center (http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrships/name_W.htm), the only ships in the U.S. Navy named Washington were two battleships. BB 45 was cancelled in 1923 in accordance with the Washington Naval Disarmament Treaty. BB 56's keel was laid in 1938. She was commissioned in 1941, served in WW2, decommissioned in 1947, and scrapped in 1961.

El Justo
Jun 21, 2006, 06:33 PM
While I can read "Washington" on the bow, this ship is not an armored cruiser. She's a passenger liner. Notice the complete lack of guns. The hull painted black (or another dark color) and the superstructure painted a light color. U.S. warships in the 1930s were painted battleship gray.

Also, according to the U.S. Navy Historical Center (http://www.nvr.navy.mil/nvrships/name_W.htm), the only ships in the U.S. Navy named Washington were two battleships. BB 45 was cancelled in 1923 in accordance with the Washington Naval Disarmament Treaty. BB 56's keel was laid in 1938. She was commissioned in 1941, served in WW2, decommissioned in 1947, and scrapped in 1961.
oh - i see.

here's the 'correct' image of the Washington.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/USSWashingtonACR11.jpg

and btw - according to my Jane's, you are wrong. while the image i posted earlier appears to indeed be a cruise liner, there were 10 ships in USN history that bore the name Washington. i would suggest that if you want to correct us all that you should review your sources before posting :rolleyes:

YNCS
Jun 21, 2006, 06:55 PM
I'm sorry that you don't consider the U.S. Navy Historical Center a credible source. Others might have a different opinion. However, I will admit that the list I referenced only seems to have ships which entered the Navy after WWI.

Further research has determined that USS Washington (ACR 11) did exist. She was commissioned in 1903. In 1916, she was renamed Seattle (retaining the hull number of ACR 11). She was reclassified a heavy cruiser, CA 11, in 1920. In 1931, she was reclassified as IX 39 (unclassified ship) and became a receiving ship, essentially a floating barracks, at New York City (probably at Brooklyn Navy Yard). Decommissioned in 1946, she was subsequently scrapped.

El Justo
Jun 21, 2006, 07:07 PM
i've got nothing against your source nor did i allude to it being non-credible.

you should get your own facts straight before "correcting" everyone. my mistake was an honest one you know...

privatehudson
Jun 21, 2006, 09:03 PM
Well if we're doing connections I'm going to do mine :D

Cammell Laird shipyards in Birkenhead had a long history of shipbuilding prior to the outbreak of WW2 stretching back until the late 1820s when it was known under the name of its founder, Lairds. Here on the banks of the mersey had already been built the notorious civil war commerce raider, CSS Alabama, HMS Birkenhead (famous for creating the women and children first order) and the 2nd RMS Mauretania, but the yard would have a significant contribution to WW2.

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1507/1857yard3el.jpg

The yard in 1857

During the war years more than 100 fighting ships were turned out by the yard which meant it averaged one ship every 20 days. It was also responsible for repairing no less than 2000 merchant ships, 9 battleships, 11 carriers and more than 100 smaller ships during the war.

Of the many ships she built that served in WW2 three were especially significant for their role in sinking the Bismarck.

HMS Prince Of Wales was a King George V class ship with 10x14" guns and was launched in May 1939. Despite being rushed through construction and not having time to do proper trials she was sent with HMS Hood to engage the Bismarck and Prince Eugen. Even though technical problems hampered her fighting ability she still scored three hits on Bismarck, one of which damaged her fuel situation. She later carried Churchill across the Atlantic to sign the Atlantic Charter. After this she was sent on to Singapore to face Japan and it was near Singapore that she and Repulse were attacked and sunk by ground based bombers.

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2751/princeofwales11yf.jpg

HMS Ark Royal was the first British carrier to be designed and built as one from the start. Ark Royal had a short but eventful career, taking part in the search for the Graf Spee, the Norway campaign and the attack on Mers El Kebir before moving to the Med for various raids and convoy duty. From here she was called north to search for Bismarck, finding her on the 26th May. The first attack launched targetted the shadowing HMS Sheffield by accident but fortunately the torpedoes either exploded early (due to faulty magnetic exploders) or missed. Her second attack, launched just before sunset managed to score a hit which jammed her rudder, allowing other RN ships to catch Bismarck and ultimately send her to a watery grave. After this event she returned to the Med where she ferried fighter planes to Malta and covered convoys. During one of these in November 1941 she was hit by a single torpedo from U-81 and sank the next day whilst being towed to Gibraltar.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1446/04hmsarkroyal9os.jpg

The battleship HMS Rodney was launched in 1925 and served throughout the war on convoy duty and in the Normandy invasion. She mounted 9x16" guns in three triple turrets, all forward. Her role in sinking the Bismarck came near the end when she and HMS King George V battered the German ship into a floating wreck. Rodney also holds the interesting distinction of being one of the few battleships during WW2 to attempt to torpedo another, in Rodney's case during the Bismarck battle.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hero/navy/rodney.jpg

The yard is just down 2 miles down the road from my house, although like most in the UK it no longer builds any ships.

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/5280/yardtoday7il.jpg

The yard today

El Justo
Jun 21, 2006, 09:08 PM
well done privatehudson!

it's always interesting to read 'regional' associations like that. thanks!

PrinceOfLeigh
Jun 22, 2006, 04:50 AM
While we are on the subject my Grandfather served on board a British ship during WWII were he worked on plane engines. I'm not sure if it was an aircraft carrier or if other ships had the odd plane onboard (I don't like to ask him about it). If it was a carrier I was under the impression there were only two in service. He served mainly around India. Any buffs got an idea of how to narrow it down? PM me to avoid Spam if you don't mind.

Apologies to NonCon for the threadjacking :(

El Justo
Jun 22, 2006, 08:22 AM
it could've been a tender ship PrinceofLeigh. i could dig through some stuff to see though...

El Justo
Jun 22, 2006, 10:39 AM
ahh - i've always been intrigued by foreign incursions onto American soil during war. and this one may top the list. i'll do some c&p stuff that gives the most thorough account (in a nutshell)...

George John Dasch and the Nazi Saboteurs

Shortly after midnight on the morning of June 13, 1942, four men landed on a beach near Amagansett, Long Island, New York, from a German submarine, clad in German uniforms and bringing ashore enough explosives, primers, and incendiaries to support an expected two-year career in the sabotage of American defense-related production. On June 17, 1942, a similar group landed on Ponte Vedra Beach, near Jacksonville, Florida, equipped for a similar career in industrial disruption.

The purpose of the invasions was to strike a major blow for Germany by bringing the violence of war to our home ground through destruction of America's ability to manufacture vital equipment and supplies and transport them to the battlegrounds of Europe; to strike fear into the American civilian population, and diminish the resolve of the United States to overcome our enemies.

By June 27, 1942, all eight saboteurs had been arrested without having accomplished one act of destruction. Tried before a Military Commission, they were found guilty. One was sentenced to life imprisonment, another to thirty years, and six received the death penalty, which was carried out within a few days.

The magnitude of the euphoric expectation of the Nazi war machine may be judged by the fact that, in addition to the large amount of material brought ashore by the saboteurs, they were given $175,200 in United States currency to finance their activities. On apprehension, a total of $174,588 was recovered by the FBI -- the only positive accomplishment of eight trained saboteurs in those two weeks was the expenditure of $612 for clothing, meals, lodging, and travel, as well as a bribe of $260.

So shaken was the German intelligence service that no similar sabotage attempt was ever again made. The German naval high command did not again allow a valuable submarine to be risked for a sabotage mission.

On September 1, 1939, World War II opened in Europe with the invasion of Poland by Nazi Germany. The United States remained neutral until drawn into the world conflict by the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941. War was declared against Japan by the United States on December 8, 1941; and, on the 11th, Germany and Italy declared war against the United States.

During the early months of the war, the major contributions of the United States to oppose the Nazi war machine involved industrial production, equipment, and supplies furnished to those forces actively defending themselves against the German armed forces. That industrial effort was strong enough to generate frustration, perhaps indignation, among the Nazi high command; and the order was given, allegedly by Hitler himself, to mount a serious effort to reduce American production.

German intelligence settled on sabotage as the most effective means of diminishing our input. In active charge of the project was Lieutenant Walter Kappe, attached to Abwehr-2 (Intelligence 2) who had spent some years in the United States prior to the war and had been active in the German-American Bund and other efforts in the United States to propagandize and win adherents for Nazism among German Americans and German immigrants in America. Kappe was also an official of the Ausland Institute, which, prior to the war, organized Germans abroad into the Nationalsozialistiche Deutshe Arbeiterpartei, the NSDAP or Nazi Party, and during the conflict, Ausland kept track of and in touch with persons in Germany who had returned from abroad. Kappe's responsibility concerned those who had returned from the United States.

Early in 1942, he contacted, among others, those who ultimately undertook the mission to the United States. Each consented to the task, apparently willingly, although unaware of the specific assignment. Most of the potential saboteurs were taken from civilian jobs, but two were in the German army.

The trainees, about twelve in all, were told of their specific mission only when they entered a sabotage school established near Berlin which instructed them in chemistry, incendiaries, explosives, timing devices, secret writing, and concealment of identity by blending into an American background. The intensive training included the practical use of the techniques under realistic conditions.

Subsequently, the saboteurs were taken to aluminum and magnesium plants, railroad shops, canals, locks, and other facilities to familiarize them with the vital points and vulnerabilities of the types of targets they were to attack. Maps were used to locate those American targets, spots where railroads could be most effectively disabled, the principal aluminum and magnesium plants, and important canals, waterways, and locks. All instructions had to be memorized.

On May 26, 1942, the first group of four saboteurs left by submarine from the German base at Lorient, France, and on May 28, the next group of four departed the same base. Each was destined to land at points on the Atlantic Coast of the United States familiar to the leader of that group.

Four men, led by George John Dasch, age 39, landed on a beach near Amagansett, Long Island, New York, about 12:10 a.m., June 13, 1942. Accompanying Dasch were Ernest Peter Burger, 36; Heinrich Harm Heinck, 35; and Richard Quirin, 34.

http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/nazi/dash.jpg
George John Dasch

http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/nazi/burger.jpg
Ernest Peter Burger

http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/nazi/heinck.jpg
Heinrich Harm Heinck

http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/nazi/quirin.jpg
Richard Quirin

On June 17, 1942, the other group landed at Ponte Vedra Beach, Florida, south of Jacksonville. The leader was Edward John Kerling, age 33; with Werner Thiel, 35; Herman Otto Neubauer, 32 (no photo available); and Herbert Hans Haupt, 22. Both groups landed wearing complete or partial German uniforms to ensure treatment as prisoners of war rather than as spies if they were caught in the act of landing.

http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/nazi/kerling.jpg
John Kerling

http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/nazi/thiel.jpg
Werner Thiel

http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/nazi/haupt.jpg
Herbert Hans Haupt

Having landed unobserved, the uniforms were quickly discarded, to be buried with the sabotage material (which was intended to be later retrieved), and civilian clothing was donned. The saboteurs quickly dispersed. The Florida group made their way to Jacksonville, then by train to Cincinnati, with two going on to Chicago and the other pair to New York City.

http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/nazi/site.jpg
Contents of box recovered from spot where buried on beach south of Jacksonville, FL, showing electric blasting caps, pen and pencil delay mechanisms, detonators, ampoules of acid, and other time delay devices

http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/nazi/pens.jpg
Pen and Pencil assembled for use as delay device

http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/nazi/clock2.jpg http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/nazi/clock1.jpg
Disassembled timing device showing component parts

http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/nazi/acid.jpg
Capsule containing sulphuric acid encased in a rubber tubing for protection

The Long Island group was less fortunate; scarcely had they buried their equipment and uniforms, in fact, one still wore bathing trunks, when a Coast Guardsman patrolling the shore approached. He was unarmed and very suspicious of them, more so when they offered him a bribe to forget they had met. He ostensibly accepted the bribe to lull their fears and promptly reported the incident to his headquarters. However, by the time the search patrol located the spot, the saboteurs had reached a railroad station and had taken a train to New York City.

Dasch's resolution to be a saboteur for the Fatherland faltered -- perhaps he thought the whole project so grandiose as to be impractical and wanted to protect himself before some of his companions took action on similar doubts. He indicated to Burger his desire to confess everything.

On the evening of June 14, 1942, Dasch, giving the name "Pastorius" called the New York Office of the FBI stating he had recently arrived from Germany and would call FBI Headquarters when he was in Washington, D.C., the following week. On the morning of Friday, June 19, a call was received at the FBI, Washington, from Dasch, then registered at a Washington hotel. He alluded to his prior call as "Pastorius" (of which Headquarters was aware) and furnished his location. He was immediately contacted and taken into custody.

During the next several days he was thoroughly interrogated and he furnished the identities of the other saboteurs, possible locations for some, and data which would enable their more expeditious apprehension.

The three remaining members of the Long Island group were picked up in New York City on June 20. Of the Florida group, Kerling and Thiel were arrested in New York City on June 23, and Neubauer and Haupt were arrested in Chicago on June 27.

The eight were tried before a Military Commission, comprised of seven U.S. Army officers appointed by President Roosevelt, from July 8, to August 4, 1942. The trial was held in the Department of Justice Building, Washington, D.C. The prosecution was headed by Attorney General Frances Biddle and the Army Judge Advocate General, Major General Myron C. Cramer. Defense counsel included Colonel Kenneth C. Royall (later Secretary of War under President Truman) and Major Lausen H. Stone (son of Harlan Fiske Stone, the Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court).

All eight were found guilty and sentenced to death. Attorney General Biddle and J. Edgar Hoover appealed to President Roosevelt to commute the sentences of Dasch and Burger. Dasch then received a 30-year sentence, and Burger received a life sentence, both to be served in a federal penitentiary. The remaining six were executed at the District of Columbia Jail on August 8, 1942.

The eight men had been born in Germany and each had lived in the United States for substantial periods. Burger had become a naturalized American in 1933. Haupt had entered the United States as a child, gaining citizenship when his father was naturalized in 1930.

Dasch had joined the Germany army at the age of 14 and served about 11 months as a clerk during the conclusion of World War I. He had enlisted in the U.S. Army in 1927, and received an honorable discharge after a little more than a year of service.

Quirin and Heinck had returned to Germany prior to the outbreak of World War II in Europe, and the six others subsequent to September 11, 1939, and before December 7, 1941, apparently feeling their first loyalty was to the country of their birth.

Postwar debriefing of German personnel and examination of records confirmed that no other attempt was made to land saboteurs by submarine; though in late 1944, two persons, William Curtis Colepaugh and Erich Gimpel, were landed as spies from a German submarine on the coast of Maine in a rather desperate attempt to secure information. They, too, were quickly apprehended by the FBI before accomplishing any part of their mission.

In April, 1948, President Truman granted executive clemency to Dasch and Burger on condition of deportation. They were transported to the American Zone of Germany, the unexecuted portions of their sentences were suspended upon such conditions with respect to travel, employment, political, and other activities as the Theater commander might require, and they were freed.

Although many allegations of sabotage were investigated by the FBI during World War II, not one instance was found of enemy-inspired sabotage. Every suspect act traced to its source was the result of vandalism, pique, resentment, a desire for relief from boredom, the curiosity of children "to see what would happen," or other personal motive.

source: http://www.fbi.gov/libref/historic/famcases/nazi/nazi.htm

El Justo
Jun 26, 2006, 02:00 PM
it could've been a tender ship PrinceofLeigh. i could dig through some stuff to see though...
i found some real generic info mate. however, i'd need at least something to go by in odrer to pin-point the exact ship (a specific year or years would be helpful)

El Justo
Jun 26, 2006, 02:26 PM
http://mcel.pacificu.edu/as/students/propaganda/rat.jpg

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