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I think your sec is over you should add text in now because its a cool game

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yeah, great game, starcraft http://forums.civfanatics.com/smile.gif I hardly play it anymore though...

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Will Palehorse ever add text
is he still here?

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Yeah, still here, just got really really distracted. Forgot what I was going to add! http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif
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I decided to pull this topic out of nowhere because I just got starcraft and brood war(battle chest).
So just wondering, what do you all think of starcraft/brood war

Its good but it is no C&C or AOE

Originally posted by vanillacube:
Its good but it is no C&C or AOE

My feeling is that it is better than both. I still love it and play it about once a week. wow, forgot I started this topic <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif" border=0>

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I just Like the format of AOE and C&C much better than Starcraft!
but your entitled to your opinion no matter how wrong it is http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif



I JUST NOTICED THIS POST IT WAS NOT ME VC MUST OF JUST NOT LOGGED ME OUT!

I think you can't compare CC, AoE and SC.
The first is quite static, the second really micro management and the 3rd is a click-click fest http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif
But I really love SC. I don't like the C&C interface. I've always prefered the blizzard style of interface. It's more practical.

But actually, my favourite RTS was, is and will remain Warcraft forever. Because it's heroic fantasy. Although it's not as ergonomic than Starcraft, it's more fun and funny to play it (aaah the Zog zog, yes my lord sounds...)
I didn't like Total A for the same reason. The game was good but the game feeling was really "sad". In French we'll call that a cold atmosphere. It hasnt' as much charism as War2...

Btw, I've found a new tactic to counter the nukes. Eh eh.

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I recently started playing Starcraft again. I'm going to try and complete the Zerg Campaign. But I think that's unlikely. The first mission I barely won. The second mission I won but I lost 125 to kill 109 Protoss units. http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/frown.gif Although I did take out 2 bases.....and lost 0 buildings.

The 3rd mission I'm doing well in. But I got suprised attacked on the other side of my base....I recovered from that and now have 2 bases and lots of Spores and Sunken colonies. http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif I think I'll win this too....but I haven't see the base yet....so I don't know.

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Good luck playing w/ the Zerg inever play with them It's Terran all the way for me!Do you ever play mp?

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Originally posted by spycatcher34:
Good luck playing w/ the Zerg inever play with them It's Terran all the way for me!Do you ever play mp?

I used to play MP and I will probably start again. I actually like playing Protoss in MP for longer games. Just can't beat the Carriers and Plasma Cannons. I usually play Zerg in rush games. I rarely play Terrian......

Anyway...maybe we can play some time.

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I always play protoss... especially since they have dark temp. mmmmmwaahahahaha http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif
Normally the campaign is long but very easy. On the other hand try the free for all or the melee, that's different

Ok....that's it!!!!!

STARCRAFT LAN PARTY AT MY HOUSE TOMORROW NIGHT!!!!!

There are 2 free ports in the hub if anyone would like to join!!!!! http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

And I'm serious. I have some friends coming over.....with 2 spots open. http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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Ok count me in i call terran! http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif

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Too bad I am in North Carolina. Let's play over Battle.net

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Originally posted by spycatcher34:
Ok count me in i call terran! <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif" border=0>

Well the party was yesterday. And we only got to playone game. And only one other person showed up.

But I ROCKED him!!! Although....he's a really newbie. Although he beat the Terran Level 7 which I couldn't beat. Although I had to beat level 8 for him. http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Anyway....we played "A Small Divide" or something like that. When I realized that there was no ground routes to his base I flew my Barracks over and landed south of his base. So I built 5 guys and was going to rush him. But he had bunkers and layed waste to my marines. But I thought that would happen. So in the motherland I was reseaching seige tanks and building a dropship. I built 2 tanks and one drop ship. I landed them and laid waste to his base from a distance. It was sweet. I also had a SCV to repair the tanks and my marines from the barracks. It was risky though....because I had NO defence in my base. But it was a GLORIOUS VICTORY!!! MUHAHAHHAHHAAHAH!!!!

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Originally posted by PaleHorse76:
Too bad I am in North Carolina. Let's play over Battle.net

We should start a CFC room and get as many members to play as we can. I'll talk to you on ICQ PH!! I can play at midnight tonight. (EST)

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I thought u never played terran corn?http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif And shame on u for beating a rookie that badhttp://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/tongue.gif

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I will so **** you up Corn. Please don't cry, ok?

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Originally posted by spycatcher34:
I thought u never played terran corn?<IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif" border=0> And shame on u for beating a rookie that bad<IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/tongue.gif" border=0>

Normally I don't play terran, but I wanted him to know what was coming at him. If I played Zerg or Protoss he would have no idea the strength of units and usage of buildings. I did it for him....really. http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

PH76 - You probably will beat me...but why do you assume I would cry? I always get whipped in duels. My very first game (Demo 3 years ago) I got my 15 defensive seige tanks nuked. http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/frown.gif But duels aren't my cup of tea. But I will play you...and lose gratiously. http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif

Spycatcher - You in??? What's your ICQ/MSN/E-mail?

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<FONT face="tahoma">So what time we playing? It is 12am EST. I am on Yahoo!, AOL, MSN, and ICQ
Yahoo! - PaleHorse76
AOL - PaleHorse76
MSN - PaleHorse76 junk467@hotmail.com
ICQ - PaleHorse76 744424
SC/BW - PaleHorse76
see a trend there?

I am in the channel CFC on Battle.net

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Sorry guys i cant join ya i dont have an internet conntction at home anymore<IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/frown.gif" border=0>(i'm at work)But tell me who wins im goin for the underdog GO CORN!<IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/yeah.gif" border=0>

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Well, unfortunately CornMaster had something else to do at 12, and I couldn't stay up all night so MSA (know previously as ASM) and I played versus the computer. Boy am I rusty, CornMaster just might beat me http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Well, finally got a chance to play CornMaster, but unfortunately his computer froze and we were unable to finish the game up http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/frown.gif
Go to my webpage to DL the Replay of the game and watch, if you so desire: www.palehorse76.com (http://www.palehorse76.com)

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<FONT face="tahoma">Haha! Go look at the replay. I would have owned you, even though you had 3 BCs. I would have made some nice little scourges and taken my scourges and 12+ mutalisks and kicked some Terran rump!

So when are we going to play next and who else wants to play? I love playing FFA (Free For Alls).
Oh, and sorry, you lost your internet connection, not your computer froze. Either way, YOU dropped. http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif</FONT f>

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Your more of a terran player than you'll admit cornhttp://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gifAnd i doubt you could of won if those bc's were Yamato equipped phalehorse.THE ZERG SHALL NEVER PREVAIL!!!http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/mwaha.gif


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Yeah....you probably would have killed me. I never get off to a good start. I'm playing a game now....once I finish I'll show you the replay.

I was driven from my starting spot.....nuked twice......it's not going well....but I'm hanging in there. http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

You guys will laugh......expecially if I win. http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

And apperantly I AM a bigger terran player than I thought. Which is weird....but anyway.....the protoss always kick my ass!!!! 10 Zealots vs 2 Mariens and one seige tank. I flew my base south...and lured the Zealots into a Zerg base with my remaining SCV's. Then I rebuilt my base south....I had 2 command centers so I found an "island" and just started mining. Then the protoss took over my original base!!! http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/mad.gif But I drove them out. Then a human player killed the Zerg near my "island" and tried to nuke me. So I lifted off my command center and moved my SCV's out of the way and the nuke only killed their Ghost!!! http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/lol.gif Ang then they nuked it again....took out 3 suppily depots. They seiged the command center. But Then I built ANOTHER base. But the Zerg are hassling me there!!! But I will Prevail!!!!!!

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I cant watch the replay but u dont know they might of made a diff.http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gifI look forward to the rematch.Good luck in your game corn.Sugeustion: build rading camps and use offensive bunkershttp://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/smile.gif

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Count me in for the free-for-all! I can be the guy that spends the whole time trying to hide from the others!

Originally posted by PaleHorse76:
Well, finally got a chance to play CornMaster, but unfortunately his computer froze and we were unable to finish the game up <IMG SRC="http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/frown.gif" border=0>
Go to my webpage to DL the Replay of the game and watch, if you so desire: www.palehorse76.com (http://www.palehorse76.com)

Your mistaken. My computer froze BEFORE we started the game. I lost my B-Net connection when I lost my I-Net connection. Get it straight man. http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/wink.gif

But we will play again....oh yes......you will be mine!! http://forums.civfanatics.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

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I would play but my CD ROM drive is messed up so I can't play(plus I don't have much free-time anyway.

I always perfer playing as the protoss, I somehow usually get un good resource positions and if I survive long enough(I'm really bad at defending early, I can't even beat the AI) I can usually build a huge fleet of carriers and beat up on any(the scrouge would need to be very, very numerous to destroy this fleet)

LONG LIVE THE PROTOSS !
LONG LIVE THE TERRAN !
LONG LIVE THE ZERG !

- Lover of all things....Or maybe I'm on ecstacy....

Of course it doesn't, it's realtime.

I think until Warcraft 3 is out, Starcraft is the best RTS game out there. AoE2 is very good but it's a bit slower than starcraft. More resources to manage and the abilities to build all those high walls makes it take a bit longer till the action starts. Starcraft is fast fun :D
And I like all those scenarios for SC!

There is already a StarCraft topic in this forum. It's a long way down so I can't fault you for not finding it. But, I'm going to use my Mighty MOD powers to MERGE the topics!!!!

*cheesy hero music*
*sound of fingers craching*

Edit: Success!!! MUHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!

Wanna see a hord of brontosaurus spreading on your base? Nah j/k I am always subtl in my strategy. Only 12 reavers. No more subtle tactis, I admit. Anyway, yes or no? When?

Cornmaster can play starcraft too huh?Somebody HERE PLAY CAMPAIGN!????THose who play campaign are truly newbies.... I kick ass Terran and Zerg.In 5 minutes i will drop u with dropship 7 firebatman with 1 medic on ur mineral patch to burn ur house hahahahaha!All of u sounds like starcraft newbies.....To improve on starcraft study replay!

Originally posted by Fayadi
Cornmaster can play starcraft too huh?Somebody HERE PLAY CAMPAIGN!????THose who play campaign are truly newbies.... I kick ass Terran and Zerg.In 5 minutes i will drop u with dropship 7 firebatman with 1 medic on ur mineral patch to burn ur house hahahahaha!All of u sounds like starcraft newbies.....To improve on starcraft study replay!

Whooooaaaa there....Medic isn't a Starcraft unit. I do believe it's Broodwars. Which I have never played before. I only play Starcraft. :p

Too lazy to learn ANOTHER game!!

But if we can all get together for a FFA...that would be great fun!!

Me, PH76, GK, Fayadi. That would be a cool game. :D

Whoah!!! You've never played Brood War!?
You have to, man! It's GREAT! If you dont wanna buy it, just download it somewhere...

You meant PH you Fayadi against me I suppose. Yeah that would be cool, even though I'm not sure you can match my power :D:p

STARCRAFT????Starcraft AI sucks, Brood war AI improvement is way above but they still cant beat me even 7v1!NO MEDIC????Barracks units are simply useless craps!Without Devourer u sent full battleship to zerg they will have no chance to survive even with scourge.Protoss Dark Templar are effective against newbies and some inter only.Practically Zealots are better than DT in mess number.So what i am talking about is BUY BROOD WAR.Gengkish whats ur bnet record?I got lots of accounts my best account is 700 or 800 something wins.Do all of ya play lost temple.
Do all of u have tried to build mess mutalisk in about 7 mins?
Haha civ players playing starcraft....Do we apply civ strategies s to starcraft too ha ha

I'm an ace at starcraft! I played through all three Brood War campaigns in less than 2 hours! Too bad the game always crashes on me, otherwise i'd kick all of your arses!

"STARCRAFT????Starcraft AI sucks, Brood war AI improvement is way above but they still cant beat me even 7v1!"

wtf, calm down. Starcraft isn't even about its AI, but you play with OTHER people. Ever heard of 4v4 BGH? Who the hell would buy Starcraft just to play single player? It's not like Civ3, where the AI counts ALOT, and it still sucks.

But starcraft AI is just way too dumb,many ppl still play with AI during multiplayer.Starcraft AI is really way below average ,anyway if AI issues are not important ,how bout the gameplay ,Broodwar gameplay is 10 x much better.

I thought BroodWar was just an add-on to Starcraft, why is everything treating it as a new game?!

Starcraft=Broodwar, to me they are one of the same game.

Broodwar is much funner cause the new units gave the game more tactics to play with.

The Starcraft AI BLOWS when it runs out of resources. I've killed 4 AI's now. They like stop moving. I wasn't doing great.....but I was holding my own. I drove the Protoss out of a resource filled spot. So I had three patches. Once all my resources were gone I took my 6 battlecruisers and attacked the Zerg to my south. They were tough and relentless. They destroyed my defensive line three times. Luckly I built it up each time before they could regroup....but anyway....I took my BC's and leveled their bases. Then I took then and leveled blue Terrians. They had like 5 mariens!! That's it!! Then I took out the green AI, and the purple Protoss are doing nothing. The Yellow Terrian seem to be moving about.....but they shouldn't be too tough., I managed to take the last source of minerals from the Green Terrian.

Anyway....back to it.

Originally posted by CornMaster
The Starcraft AI BLOWS when it runs out of resources. I've killed 4 AI's now. They like stop moving. I wasn't doing great.....but I was holding my own. I drove the Protoss out of a resource filled spot. So I had three patches. Once all my resources were gone I took my 6 battlecruisers and attacked the Zerg to my south. They were tough and relentless. They destroyed my defensive line three times. Luckly I built it up each time before they could regroup....but anyway....I took my BC's and leveled their bases. Then I took then and leveled blue Terrians. They had like 5 mariens!! That's it!! Then I took out the green AI, and the purple Protoss are doing nothing. The Yellow Terrian seem to be moving about.....but they shouldn't be too tough., I managed to take the last source of minerals from the Green Terrian.

Anyway....back to it.

Were you playing Brood War or just StarCraft? Cuz the Brood War AI is VERY VERY powerful...
BTW, I prefer play the game with other humans :)

Then you should try. You will learn so many insults while playing against human opponents, especially when you recall 12 reavers and 12 archons in his main base :D

Looking forward to playing some other CFCers in SC/BW again. While I talk a lot of trash with CornMaster about SC I am only an ok player. I have had my ass handed to me many times before on Battle.net. When i get my fast connection back, let's get it on!

I never play on Bnet against unknown opponents. Either on Lan, or over the net but with dudes. Because pple on BNET are so obssessed with victory at any cost so they rush and rush. Where's the fun? SC has become a click and reflex fest, like Doom. No I'm not exagerating.
It's pitiful but they're so dumb... I don't care about marks. I play always for fun and if a MP game with my friends is less than 1 hour then it's bad :) We leave time to each other to develop.
Now if you belong to this category then I'd be glad and looking forward to hearing from you soon for an MP, PH...

oh well we should play togheter then :) I never rush except if my opponent is building a second base...

Ok pas de probleme.
Contact me.
MSN appreciated: GenghisK_@hotmail.com
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Yahoo messenger (never too): iGenghisK@yahoo.com

We shall set up that. I usually stay connected late, to play Tetrinet till 3-4AM GMT, to play with Quebecquois:) no kidding

I don't mind hour long games, shoot, I have layed one game for 3 hours...and it wasn't a more money map (like BGH where the mins and gas don't run out). I also enjoy 15 minute games. When I get my cable connection up, it's on!

i'll play!!!!!! 2v2 1v1 3v3 whateverrrr

I'll play, although I'll prob. get whooped...I need experience and battling humans is how! Problem: I don't have BW on the pc yet.

Just have to point out that this must be the longest running active topic!! Over a year now!!
Nov. 3rd, 2000 - Dec. 16th, 2001 +

Wow!!

Hmm, Starcraft... haven't played that in over 3 months, haven't played on Bnet for 5. Brood War is definatley better than Starcraft. It is interesting to me how few terran players there are, I am a devout Terran player! Just give me 10 BC, 10 Valkiries, 12 Wraiths, and some siege Tanks, Im set! Not enough Terran players, too many Protoss players. Maybe because Terran micromanagment is a pain in the arse.

Hey ohwell we got it together. Im sayin if i still did mp ooo well id be da champ!


BTW brood war sucks!

You have a little problem with sig spy. Your links don't go anywhere.

Anyone interested in a CFC clan. ;)

Just get a new user name with [CFC] In front of your name....and go to the [CFC] room. ;) Anyway...anyone up for a game....just ICQ me at 20706862 or msn at dacornmaster@hotmail.com

Anybody want to play Brood War? I am on now. Post here and go to CFC chatroom if you want to play.

I got killed by a bser today. I hatem! The same day, I also saw one, but The remaining players formed a coalition and killed the bastard! Ooh i hatem! This is why I hate bnet

BSer = BackStabber? If so I hate them with a vengence also!!!!:mad: When I find my BroodWar CD I am all about a game online, or maybe a NoCD hack for version 1.09? I can only find them for up to 1.08! Come on hackers, help please!

I just had a rather funny game, I was fighting as Toss against another Toss veteran, 255 wins anyone? Anyway, I hit all of his main resourse bases with reaver drops, blew the crud outta his probes, lost about 15 reavers. And planted about 25 dark templar all over the place... :rolleyes: End Game, We were devoting our entire workforce to minig for the construction of replacement units for a battle that had been raging on his territory for 10 min!!! It was one of those, reasource wars... It was not going anywere, soooo I had my DTs attack his probes. His units stopped coming, and I blew him sky high. Ah, sweet victory. 2 hours wasted.:lol:

Wow, I am suprised I did not find this topic earlier. Guess I did not look hard enough.

Starcraft is probably my favorite computer game. I have beaten 9 of the terran missions, all of the Zerg Missions, and 5 of the protoss missions. I had fun with Zerg guardians. When playing on battle dot net, I used to only use terran, but then experimented with zerg and protoss. Had most success with terran and protoss...somehow zerg doesn't treat me well in mplayer. Anyway, I cannot beat the 10th terran mission. It's impossible. I have wasted hours and hours and days and days trying to beat that, and fail every time. I just cheated through it so I could go on and see the cinematic at the end. I felt bad until my friend who is a StarCraft genius said the mission is impossible. He is in a clan and is incredibly good and played thousands of games.

I have Brood War but I did not play it yet.

My friend says it's impossible

Nothing is impossible, my friend:D . Is this the last one in starcaft or
Brood War? If it was broodwar than I would say that one is extreml;ey
easy. If it was starcraft, I don't know. But ZI haven't played the missions
in almost a year.

What me and my freind do online against other players is I play Terrians and my freind plays Protoss and he creates a base and I fly my moble base over to his place and we create one mega base with the best defenses of Terrians and Protoss also our base spits out people twice as fast and we have yet to even lose defenses :lol:
with that power we just roll over everyone else :D people HATE us.

shared bases suck on most maps because there isnt enough resources...

btw, StarCraft is my favorite game EVER... second would be Diablo1.. civ1 is up there too and Alpha Centuari, caeser 3, heros 3, and maybe warcraft2 aswell... thats pretty much the only games i ever play...

EDIT: oh btw as u guys r talkin about missions... ive beat them all, and i still do sometimes because their so damn fun... well, back to work...

You said the Terran Campain last mission was impossible?
And you said your friend was good? Damn I'm disappointed to make you feel a bit :blush: but well it's so easy...
Actually it has been admitted that the Starcraft AI has been totally limited in the campaign in order not to scare newbies in RTS. Actually this AI only shows its whole "power" in the skirmish mode. And then it's really aggressive.

In the campaign it attacks from time to time and always at the same place. I could remember, each time I heard the comp launching a nuke, I always scanned the map at the same spot and each time I could hear my siege tank shoot at a poor ghost :)
That shows the innovative AI....

Nah I tell you, it might be a bit long to complete but this mission is NOT impossible. Took me 2 hours, indeed. But I was taking my time, playing like a cat with a mouse :D

I have made many a scenario with the campain AI, you are very right Genghis. The Campaign AI is horrible! Even the "insane" AI is horrible, they don't even really buid anything, even workers. Sometimes they don't even get gas:eek:

The custom AI is alot more strategic, I have seen use of high ground, useful yamato usage(rare), among others.

Man. All this StarCraft talk and I can't find my Broodwar CD!!!! Just you wait until I can find that and brush up on my tecnique. :)

I never did like playing the campaign. I went straight for multiplayer.

OK, just purchased StarCraft and Broodwar again! I am now ready to play. I am going to go on battle.net first and play around but if anyone wants to play with or against me PM, email, or IM me.
I can be reached at:
MSN - junk467@hotmail.com
ICQ - 744424
Y! - PaleHorse76
AIM - PaleHorse76

Cya there!

Hey, I got it! Do you want to play? I am pretty bad and rusty, but once I satrt playing I can de-rust:lol:

I saw your cancel PM and I got (what I think) is your PM, ohwell. We need a better way to communicate. I will try the CFC chat and see if you are in there. Also I connect to Battle.net East name PaleHorse76 if it is still avail :)

Alright. Go to CFC chatroom, not [CFC] as Corn said, I am in it currently. I actually never played with anybody I sort of new before, only strangers who I can't track down and strangle;) :lol:

ohwell and I had some really good games. Our first one versus 1 computer was sad though as we got a broken Zerg AI. For some reason, every once in a while, I get a broken Zerg AI. Well all it did was build a few drones and maybe a second Overlord so when ohwell (know as Lord_Hammers on battle.net) came in we really kicked some serious ass.

Well the next game we played we wanted a little bit more competetion so ohwell said up it to 2 AI random. So we ended up getting Terran and Zerg, which I find to be a good combination to fight against (meaning, it was a challenge). Well, ohwell ended up saving my ass as I was playing around and didn't have enough defenses or any air support, from the Terrans. I then mass produced air troops (Guardians and Devourers, mostly Guardians). We went in and wiped out the Terrans, who put up a fight then wnet immediately for the zergs, who after killing a good portion of my first 12 guardians feel from the combined might of ohwell's troops and my other 12+ guardians.

The third game we played was a versus one that ohwell kept saying I was goign to beat him. I told him that if he played the Toss (the first game he played the Terrans, which he likes better, but he does better with the Protoss, which he played in the second game) he would stand a good chance of winning. Well we played with me finding him first and sending down a few zeals to harrass his production. He already had 3+ Gateways that were producing troops so he was able to stop me from really doing some damage. Since I knew where he was and he had no idea where I was coming from I took some time to build up some defense, which I had none of before. I build up 3 cannons in a straightline going south to north and put 6 zeals in front. He was completely suprised at how fast his 2 or 3 zeals were taken out when they found my base that I got a good chuckle. I was the main attacker and he repeled me every time including my failed goon drop. I tried to drop 2 dragoons on the little hilly area behind his mineral gatherers but for some reason the drop ship wouldn't cooperate. Well his sairs made short work of it and I lost them all. I made many all out attacks but none of them were successful. I think that if he would have made some return attacks right after I made my attacks that he may have killed me early. As it went though we decided to call it quits after he tried an all out attack on me. It was doomed from the start since he told me that he was goign to attack, I knew what to look for, but it wasa good try. I ended up leaving b/c my connection with battle.net was lost anyways. The thing that ohwell might not have know is that I had 2 other bases that were gathering mins and gas for me in addition to my main one so I had 10k mins in reserve and lots of gas also. Ohwell is a very fun guy to play with and is very kind. :) Good games man.

Originally posted by PaleHorse76
The thing that ohwell might not have know is that I had 2 other bases that were gathering mins and gas for me in addition to my main one so I had 10k mins in reserve and lots of gas also. Ohwell is a very fun guy to play with and is very kind. :) Good games man.

Oh, I knew man... I had a couple of scouts scouting around and they spotted them, and I sent observers to go nearby. I would have attacked but I dind't want to risk you attacking my base again. I didn't bother expanding because I had enough rescources, app. 16000 of each, but I din't bother to upgrade until the near end, I only had one forge and one cyber core. Near the end I realized I had a full group of completley healthy corsairs by the Nexus, and I had forgotten about them, and I used them in that all out attack. I noticed that you killed all my ground troops, but You had no air power left for my corsairs to kill. So, they just sat there, getting pounded by dragoons.

And you are very kind and fun to play with too! :goodjob: I had fun.

Does anyone have any reliable tips or tactics for beating the last protoss mission in the original Starcraft? That is the mission where you have to manage both a terran base and a protoss base and defeat the zerg overmind in the center of the map.

Also, how about the last (10th) terran mission? I could not beat that one without cheating. This is the one where you have to kill the proton gun at the top. Does anyone know reliable tricks to beat this?

-october- :scan:

The standard campaign is sooo easy ;) Well I think there are several things to keep in mind:
_ may seems stupid to say but shortkeys rules and are essential for surviving. Just ask the ladder champions themselves on Bnet :)
_ concerning the protoss last mission, I don't see major difficulties. Actually it's even an advantage playing 2 sides. You can combine a armada of 24 siege tanks in alterned formation, plus archons and scouts and Bcruisers for support. A tip: ALL Zerg units are extremely vulnerable to irradiate. And of course psionic storm. Just watch out for the defilers and their damn plague, and the queens with their broodling. So protect the sieg tanks with archons far in front of them, then scouts to prevent queens. Archons will stop scourges, while the tanks will wipe out from far, the hydralisk and other light infantry (hydralisk, zergling...)
Use yamato to progressively destroy the colonies. Another thing is to hit and run. When you attack a place, destroy one or 2 building then run and attack another place. AI will get all its units to the previously attacked spot so you can do that as many time as you like :)
_ Terran campain: nuke + yamato. No other word. Destroy progressively the turrets using yamato. One single shots is sufficient.

Anything else? :)

Damn, lost my playing partnet ohwell since he body slammed his sister's laptop. Man, lay off the drugs! ;)
(Disclaimer: I don't remember what he told me exactly, but is had something to do with a laptop, his sister, and it being broken. I figured this story wasn't as bad as some my sick mind can come up with!)

Well thanks for the tips. Last night I played the last protoss mission and beat it with little trouble. Battlecruisers man, they are the way to go when fully upgraded. I kept sending them back for repairs and attacked the central zerg base and overmind from the west and northwest.

Then I went back and played the last terran mission, the one where you have to destroy that ion cannon at the top left corner of the map. That mission gave me so much trouble in the past I used cheat codes to beat it. Last night I went and played that, and beat it quickly using the battlecruiser method. 8 battlecruisers is all it took. Two got locked down by ghosts; they were the sacrifices, and 6 fired their yamoto guns and then got rid of the thing. Now I can work on Brood War!

-october-:scan:

Here is a tips for using BCs. Make 2 science vessels for every Battle Crusier. Use the Defense Matrix on the BCs and watch you enemies cry. ;)

A good counter to BCs if you are playing protoss are Dark Archons with the Mind Control ability. I had someone attack me with 20 or so BCs.....well I had that many DAs there at full power to take them over. I ended up with 5 BCs. He cried also. ;)

Originally posted by PaleHorse76
Here is a tips for using BCs. Make 2 science vessels for every Battle Crusier. Use the Defense Matrix on the BCs and watch you enemies cry. ;)

A good counter to BCs if you are playing protoss are Dark Archons with the Mind Control ability. I had someone attack me with 20 or so BCs.....well I had that many DAs there at full power to take them over. I ended up with 5 BCs. He cried also. ;)

FOOL! That would never beat a good terran player!

Here are some MULTIPLAYER tips on terran vs terran.

- A good, fast, and very fun stategy I used twice and was effective:

- Your first objective is to locate your enemy. You must know his terrain and his expansions for this to work.

- Once you know his layout and such, build three nuclear silos (or more) at youir expansions.

Build 6 ghosts, and 2 dropships. Put three in each. Choose two areas you would like to enter his base from, and make sure they are hard to defend. Unload the dropships near those areas. CLoak the ghosts. Send in 10 Battleships, 12 valkiries, 12 wraiths, 6 goliaths, 6 siege tanks, and 24 marines. Divide them between the two areas as you wish. Take another group of six wraiths and attack one of their addons, to divert them. Wait a few seconds. Then lauch onme nuke at each of the openings you wish to attack from. Quickly send your forces into the base.

Priotizing is inportant. Your science vassels must irradiate all ghosts. Your battleships must yamato all enemy Battleships, and If there are none bunkers and valkiries should be yamatoed. Wraiths shhould be cloaked. Focus all your fire on one target to destroy it quickly. Remember, you absolutely ned ground support online against a human. Marines will help kill wraiths and valkiries. Your siege tanks can kill bunkers. While all this is happening your opponent is thrown off guard, and you may notice a few dropships leaving, possibly with scv's and escaping troops inside. Be sure to send a wraith or two to follow.

- MUST READ - If when your attacking force is getting into position and you see an enemy unit, GO HOME. This assault is based on suprise.

Hope this helps online:)

Massive Lurker/Mutalisk/zergling strategy!

Just tried this on AI- Perfect!
After trying the zerg a little more, I am creating strategies against AI:
Just build up lots af lurkjers, mutas, and zerglings! The latter two cover the lurkers burrow.

I played the second terran campaign, and I did pretty well! A real fun one is where you have to kill Mengsk and there is zerg and protoss protecting him.

Here it goes: After the valkiries kill some mutas and buildings float in, I settled down, and built a large turret prescense, as well as three bunkers, and 12 siege tanks. 12 valkiries, 12 wraiths, and 6 Battleships were there. I sent my forces to the mineral patch just below the warp gate, and built up a command center, with a nuke. It held its position despite heavy protoss attack, with 1 bunker, 4 marines, 5 goliaths, and 3 wraiths, and 2 turrets. I beat the mission by using a sole ghost. You had to destroy a command center. So, I sent 2 ghosts, wiht 2 nukes, and nuked protoss cannons along the way. Eventually I was in range of the command center, and nuked it. It was in the red, and burned the rest of the game. I waited until it blew up to see If I could hold my position.

I won with only destroying 6 buildings! It was so easy, and the strategy guide suggested sending a full scale assault! :lol:

I want a Protoss unit that has the Archon shield power, the range of a siege tank, the damage of a Yamato, and, huh, let me think, oh yes, twice the hitpoints of a Ultralisk. Yeah that should be a cool unit. And of course, that unit would have the plague, psionic storm, mind control and stasis field spells :) Don't forget to make it use only half of a pylon unit, and 50 mineral for a pair (like the zerglings). Yeah that's a cool rush unit then.
If it also could launch 3 nukes at the times and instant nuke lock that's perfect. Ok ok I stop dreaming. But who knows.

PS: i've drunk a bit of whisky, don't worry, that's ok ;)

Wow, the Khanh drunk! :crazyeyes

Originally posted by GenghisK
I want a Protoss unit that has the Archon shield power, the range of a siege tank, the damage of a Yamato, and, huh, let me think, oh yes, twice the hitpoints of a Ultralisk. Yeah that should be a cool unit. And of course, that unit would have the plague, psionic storm, mind control and stasis field spells :) Don't forget to make it use only half of a pylon unit, and 50 mineral for a pair (like the zerglings). Yeah that's a cool rush unit then.
If it also could launch 3 nukes at the times and instant nuke lock that's perfect. Ok ok I stop dreaming. But who knows.

PS: i've drunk a bit of whisky, don't worry, that's ok ;)

Hmm that would be cool. A little unbalancing... But cool nonetheless. Just create a goliath with 100 attack ground and 200 air, good enough for me :)

Nobody liked my strategys! :cry: *runs away crying, waking the neigbors* :cry:

According to PaleHorse:
Wow, the Khanh drunk! :crazyeyes

Actually, I didn't drink alcohol, I got drunk drinking H2O! :D Yeah yep it's possible... :D

Originally posted by GenghisK
Actually, I didn't drink alcohol, I got drunk drinking H2O! :D Yeah yep it's possible... :D You can also kill yourself by drinking too much water. Some soldiers in Basic Training did that recently. Supposedly it flushes the electrolites out of your body....how this deals with StarCraft.....I have yet to figure out.


Anyone up for a game? ;)

id love to have a game sometime... just icq me, i sent you a message already, PH...

i like playing the campains and multiplayer both. in terran mission 1 (brood war), the one where you can go around the base and kill it from the back, i usually do a frontal assault. in most missions, even where its relitively easly to get your objective, like destroying and enemy CC or something, i usually do it the hard way: destroy the enemy... i just love annihalating my foes in long grinding assaults, reckess charges against the odds(and winning) and amazing wars. StarCraft FOR EVA!!!

Cool, added and allowed you darkChild. Now you just need to come online so we can play. I like the pic, what is it?

Did he leave his MSN or ICQ somewhere? Didn't see it:confused:
And this pic looks like an organic creature. Maybe a Blizzard artwork?

Hey everyone,

In case anyone wants to know, my name on Battle.net is october_storm. If you end up playing me, let me know you're from this board, ok? That would be cool.

-october- :scan:

Got a plug for the StarCraft game going on over at Gamecatcher:
http://www.civgaming.net/gamecatcher/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=19
Come on over and play some games with us, come back here and post. ;)

My ID is "BigBirdZ28" & I connect on US East Servers. Msg me if anyone is ever on !

I think the best way to play with other CFCers is to trade Instant Messenger names/numbers. I play UT/TO alot with Dell19, BOTF with CornMaster and PinkyGen (sorry haven't been able to continue that game yet!!), Starcraft/Broodwar with DarkChild and (forgot the other person right now....too late at night), and many other games with GenghisK.

Star r0x0rs.

Map-hackers are lame.

Thanks for that stunning report captain obvious. :rolleyes:

I can never resist anything dealing with Starcraft/Broodwar strategy. :D Gosh its been a long time! This is going to be long. :)

When i was still in practice, the following allowed me to hit 1250 on the broodwar ladder

Theres a small number of strategies that were dominating the starcraft battle.net scene as of about 4-5 months ago. Every game is assumed to be played on the Lost Temple, since it is the most widely played map (other than newbies playing BGH), and the majority of tournaments are played exclusively on an edited Temple, designed to add observer slots.

Terran:
Terran vs Protoss:.
Heavy Metal Terran --> Designed for use against Protoss
The Terran walls-in his ramp with 2 depots and one barracks. Check Battlereports.com and search for heartcutter, you'll learn all you ever wanted to know about pre 1.08 terran. The barracks are lifted to allow a scouting scv, and later troops through. The Wall-in doesn't allow anything bigger than a marine through it, almost completly negating any early protoss rush.

The Terran goes dual factory tech. From here it can be handled one of two ways. Two factory vultures which transitions into tanks/early expand, or simply two factory tanks. Vultures are strong because the toss loses his ability to expand without obs, and also cannot use Dark templar, since vulture mines can attack the DTs without detection. Upgraded vultures raid the protoss main and expansion, at best killing probes, at worst, laying a minefield outside the Protoss main base.

This is containment, all starcraft strategy is based around it. While toss slowly wastes tons of money breaking out of a mine/tank/turret containment, the Terran has already expanded 4 times and the Protoss is hopelessly outresourced. Game over.


1.08 Metal Variant
In patch 1.08 the Terran dropship recieved an increase in speed, and the strong protoss players had learned how to effectively counter early game metal. Terran does the standard wall-in, and does 1 port/1 fact build, later adding a second factory shortly before expanding. Terran can either perform a vulture drop on the protoss main base, or drop tanks over the Protoss expansion cliff, which prevents protoss expansion, and is very costly to take out. Why a vulture drop? Vultures are cheap, and kill probes in two shots.



Deep Six, and Deep Six Cajun style
Popularized by the man, Heartcutter. Deep Six fakes terran heavy metal by doing the standard wall-in. Toss sees this and figures terran is going tanks/vults and begins building dragoons.

Zealots are vulture bait, and both tanks and vultures can dance around zealots taking little, or no damage, so no good toss will build zeals vs a terran until they have had their speed upgraded, or they are dealing with predominantly terran tanks. Woo, long winded.

Anyway, Toss sees the wall-in, panics, and builds dragoons. Terran busts out with 6 rax (barracks) marines, and medics, and turns the goons into puddles of blue goo. Protoss has no templar, because they're very uneffective against terran factory units.

Deep six Cajun style, is a less effective, difficult to use variant, centering around ghosts. You wall-in, rush to ghosts/nukes, dropship ghosts all over the map, and nuke/lockdown everything thats protoss. Its difficult to use and you have to have godly micro to pull it off.

Terran vs. Terran.
Standard two depots one barracks wall-in. Wrath rush. Or do a tank/wrath combo. Try to get air superiority and take the islands. You're in for a long game.

Terran vs. Zerg.
3 barracks marines add a factory, after expansion add as many barracks and factories as you can support, and make the zerg work for it. Always marine rush vs. zerg.

Protoss:
In response to Heavy metal terran, Protoss will typically do a 2 gate goon build. Instead of trying to force his way up the ramp, protoss parks his goons just outside the terran main base. It takes a long time for Terran to push the toss out since he has to siege and unsiege each of his tanks, pushing them ever closer to the frontlines. By The time terran has accomplished this, the Protoss has taken 3 expansions and is fast teching to carriers with dragoon support. Game over for terran.

It should be said, the no late game protoss can beat a late game terran at higher skill levels. Nothing beats late game terran. Toss better move fast, because once terran has a couple of expands and 20 some factories, its impossible to cost effectively beat.

Protoss Vs. Zerg
Ouch, talk about Imbalance. Toss has a very difficult time vs. zerg. Zerg takes his first expansion very early in the game, forcing the protoss to zealot rush and try to take it out. Its safe to say 85% of the time this doesn't work. Now the Zerg is doubling the protoss income, and the Protoss can't expand until he has about 2 templars, each with mana for two psi storms. Expand before then, and zerg will take you out with hydras. Even if you do get your expand up, and zerg doesn't attack, that means the zerg probably has 4 expansions (or more!) to your two. Good game.

Protoss generally fights zerg with a mix of speeded (very early +1 forge upgrade) zealots, dragoons, templar, and archons. Why the early +1 zealot weapons upgrade? With this it only takes 2 hits to kill a zergling instead of 3.

Vs. Other Protoss. In a Protoss vs Protoss battle, the game will most likely only go two ways. Both players will start with a 2 gate dragoon build, thats a given. Whether they decide on dragoons/reavers or dragoons/templar depends on the player. I always went Goons/Templar, and tried to overpower my opponent quickly. However doing this, you have to leave dragoons at home to deter a reaver drop, significantly lessening the effect of any early attack. It comes down to player preference, reaver/goon is stronger in the early game, while goon/templar is stronger in the late game. Looking back on past games, i'd say the best way to play it is with a dragoon/reaver, first expand, transition into templar.

Zerg
My weak race, i despise the zerg, both playing as and against.

Zerg vs Terran. You're in for a tough game. One base lurker rush, 2nd hatch at ramp. A one hatch lurker rush is faster, though i prefered the slightly slower 2 hatch. Lurker push your way to the terran main while expanding as fast as you can. A good terran doesn't even need detection to fight lurkers though.

The marines are parked outside the zerg base. Lurkers come out, marines focus fire on one lurker, its dead before it burrows, the marines retreat before the other lurker spines hit them. This goes on until the lurkers are dead or the terran is pushed back to his main base.

Another, though less popular option is to muta rush the terran. Three hatches, your initial one, one at your ramp, and one at your expansion. If terran tries to tank push with marine support through your first expansion, you can counter this with mutalisks and win the game.

Zerg vs. Protoss.
Have fun, this matchup is easy as pie. Early expand, 3 hatch hydra build, get hydra speed and dance around the zealots. By the time toss can safely expand, you own the whole map. Good game.

EDIT2: I left out zerg vs zerg. Theres two ways ZvZ is played. Theres Korean "style" if you will, and American style. Korean is played with a mutalisk/zergling combo. You attack with a mixed group of mutalisks and zerglings, sending in the mutas slightly before the lings. When faced with hydra opposition the hydras will attack the mutalisks, which will absorb damage, while the zerglings cause the real havoc.

American is hydra/lurker. Its not as mobile and harder to use. It has difficulty dealing with cliffed guardians, and is vulnerable to queens, since its harder to spread out hydras than it is with mutalisks. One good ensnare can turn the tide of a battle.

Its worth mentioning that when attacking with mutalisks, you always focus fire on one target. Because the muta attacks ricochets off the first creature, hitting two others. The first attack does 9 damage, the second 3 damage, and the third one damage.

A good way to tell if you're winning a zerg vs zerg match is if you find your opponent suddenly defending with hydras instead of his own muta/scourge/ling combo.


Important Game Concepts
Macromanagement. This is what wins games. You keep your money as close to 0 as possible, while mass expanding and building dozens of whatever your prefered production building is.

Micromanagement. Getting the most use out of your units as possible. Dancing, focus fire, blocking, every little trick falls into this category. A macro player will always beat a micro player. A player with excellent macro will be good. A player who is good at both will be great.

"Dancing" It refers to moving ranged units away from melee units before the melee units get a chance to attack. Ex: your hydras attack zealots, the zealots move up to attack the hydras in the front, you move the hydras away from the zealots while they chase them. All your other hydras are getting free shots until your enemy figures out whats happening.

Theres also storm dancing. You forecast (pun intended :) ) where your opponents templar is going to cast his psi storm, and move your troops away from that spot. Most often used with hydras, carriers, and dragoons. Marines are too slow.

Probe Harassment. Probes are sometimes used to build a pylon at the terran ramp before he can finish his wall-in. This opens up the terran to a zealot rush before he can get enough metal to defend. Pretty effective.

Probes sometimes also build a pylon where the zerg would expand. This is very obnoxious and can be considered cheese. Zerg can't expand, but then will usually just go 3 hatch zerglings out of one base and overwhelm the toss.

Expansion. The most important. Don't stop expanding until you have a nexus/command center/hatchery at every main/natural.

A main is a main base, on temple they are located at 12:00, 3:00, 6:00, and 9:00. A natural is your expansion directly outside your main base, this term is used on all maps. Your mineral only natural is your second expansion outside your main base on temple. This expansion location only has minerals, and no vespene gas geyser.

Theres no shame in building 40 barracks, or any other production building for that matter. The more the merrier.

Tank push. Terran sieges his tanks. Unsieges the tanks in the back and moves them to the front. Doing this the terran leapfrogs his tanks ever closer to his destination. Make sure you space the tanks, so when zealots/zerglings attack, the tank's splash damage won't hurt your own units.

Gulley push. On the Lost Temple map, this a tank push from one of the valleys between your opponents main base. Float a barracks or engineering bay over the cliff to allow the tanks to see up, and reduce his outlying buildings to rubble. As you progress, load tanks into dropships and siege them inside your opponents main, under the cover of the tanks inside the valley.

Turbo Newbie. This is a term used to describe a terran sieging his opponents expansion cliff and denying him resources. Its quite difficult to take out, and the number one reason why protoss will usually expand to another main base, and not his natural when playing against a terran. Theres no cliffs to abuse at a main.

Carrier vs Goliath, or Carrier vs Dragoon combat. The pathing on both dragoons and goliaths is terrible. Always attack from over a cliff. Most of the time the enemy will just walk around, unable to decide which target to fire at. Also if you see a carrier getting damaged, retreat it to the back of the line, and let it join the fight again. This applies with all units, from zealots, to marines, to battleshps, to guardians.

Edit: A couple of more things. :)

Orbing: The terran casts defense matrix on 8-12 marines. This allows this small number of rines to defeat upwards of 10 lurkers while only taking a few losses.

The Maynard maneuver, or Maynarding: Named after the player Maynard who created it. Transferring probe/scvs/drones from one full mineral line, to a new expansion, where less crowding will go on between workers. When a player expands, he generally transfers half of his peons form his main base to his expansion and begins building replacements at BOTH Nexi/command centers/hatcheries. Speeds mineral gain up significantly

Control Group: 12 units, usually under one hotkey.

EDIT3: Cloning: Selecting a group of units and holding shift+click on the unit outline box that appears in the bottom of the screen. Say you're sending your first workers to mine minerals. Select all four, and send them to the same mineral patch. While they're en route hold shift and click on the outline of one, and click a different patch, repeat this until you've done it with the other two. This way all of your peons will arrive at different patches at the same time. Never send your peons to the same mineral patch, only one can mine at a time, and it slows down your early game considerably.

Theres also cloning lockdown, scourge, etc. Say your fighting carriers as zerg, select 12 scourge, shift+click groups of four and send them towards 3 or so carriers.

Lockdown works the same way, select group of ghosts, tell them to all lockdown the same target, while they are en route, shift+click a ghost to attack a different target. Once the ghosts arrive, multiple targets will be locked down at once.

The unbalanced matchups are widely considered as: PvT (early-mid game early, if terran is still alive, Protoss dies painfully). and ZvP, for reasons previously mentioned. Zerg Vs Terran is the most balanced inter-race matchup, though i give terran the edge. So basically it's P > T > Z > P


Suprisingly, all of this didn't take that long to type, i know SC/BW inside and out. Time to go laddering. :)

Thanks for the post No.Dice, I learned a lot just from reading it. I like the metal terran strat....using vulchers now seems to be worth while. I started out playing Terran but later changed to Protoss and picked up some skill with Zerg b/c those races seem to need less micromanaging.

Of course I am a meger 950 average ladder player but back in the day I could get up to 1100. We are talking original starcraft, not broodwar, ladder. :D

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The StarCraft tourny at GC seems dead. :(

I'm going to play you and completely destroy you PH. I'll bring the tournament alive with my great performances... (in 2 weeks when school is out) ;)

Well, I won the last month, but now everyone seems to be afraid due to my great performances! :p
j/k

We still need more players though, but there are always people ready to take a challenge (PH76, Us, me, Ohwell).

So it´s not dead, just resting!
:D

We must play a gain Lucky...and the next time I must not get Terrans!!! That is what I hate about the tourny....when are we goign to get rid of random races? Damn terrans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..!!!! :D

3500th post!!

Simply because you are just an incomplete (;)) player will not urge us to change the rules! :p
j/k

Concentrating on one race and/or one strategy takes away much of the strategic elements of the game. I have won with all 3 races, so it is possible.

We will play again, as soon as I find some time. Maybe this weekend or even tonight.
And next week we might even be able to arrange the first tourney game against Unknown soldier and his partner.
:D

P.S.: SPAMMER!
:lol:

Incredible, people are still quarelling at SC while War3 is about to be released. Plus, there's also TA, Earth 2150, Ground control, conflict zone and metal fatigue...
Granted I've never denied it's a great game, but hey, change from times to times. That doesn't hurt :D

SC is still the very best in RTS games! :yeah:
No other game had such great replayability, great background story and working MP mode.

I'll change, don't worry.
When SC 2 comes out in a few years! :cry:
:D

Diablo too has a damn good replayability :p Ah yes it's almost a RTS ;) :D

Starcraft just have this... little something that keeps you addicted... Like civ... I don't think I'm going to be hook on warcraft3 as much as starcraft... The sci-fi look of the game added to the great storyline, I agree with lucky it's not going to be beaten until starcraft2... The sci-fi just give something more than medieval :p

Agreed SC2 is what I am waiting for....although RoN might be a replacement....I hear that Emp Earth is good also.
Back to SC tourny....yeah, but I only lost to you when I had the Terrans. :p

PH, Emp earth is kind of good yes... But you said a couple of times you didn't like AOE because it destroyed your starcraft capabilities... You're going to suffer the same thing with E.E. Anyway, it's pretty much like AOE, except you can get to futurist units... Every civs have all the same units, except for some upgrades the player can choose... But that's still far from having complete different unit trees for each race... :D

AOE sucks hard, EE too :D
Try battle realms. With a maximum of 30 units you'll have to do choose between some cruel dilemna. And that's really incredibly deep in possible strategy.

30 units :eek: Not enough for me... But starcraft is incredibly deep in possible strategy too :p

Justement, it's because of those 30 units that you'll have to choose between a weak peasant army (fast development but no more support for a Grande Armee) or a slow hence dangerous development but then with a stronger force... really tricky and it's much more strategic than a limit of 200 where a minor management error is not inevitably leading to death...

Originally posted by GenghisK
AOE sucks hard, EE too :D
Try battle realms. With a maximum of 30 units you'll have to do choose between some cruel dilemna. And that's really incredibly deep in possible strategy. Max of 30? Sounds lame.

"Sounds" indeed. Once you tried it... mm you'll be hypnotized, saying and blaming the other game programmers wth didn't they think about that earlier. Yeah I was quite surprised before trying the game but well, you can always read some online reviews about that game. They're all on the same side. This game is awesome. Plus the main designer worked for the C&C saga, which is quite famous for being well balanced (at least the 1st C&C, not red alert though)

I think it's like TA. At first look you may think damn damn damn, there is a huge mess of units, but finally it's pretty addictive too, although it's much "colder" than SC.

SC will never beat Aoe, Aok, or especially the new Age of Mithology. Those guis at Ensemble Studios just keep kranking un those Age games in a frenzy. All those who think different beware! I am also a master of SC.

Quote from before: "MUHAHAHAHAA !!!"

:rolleyes: Well, everyone is allowed to have their own opinion, insanewarrior, even if it is wrong. ;)

And I don't like what they have done with WC3 with their reduced amount of units and I hated TA....so that doesn't make me want to play Battle Realms anymore....actually less now!

OK, I royally suck at starcraft. I have 3 accounts(i'll poast names, and now that I know of it I'll go to the CFC room)

These are all in regular starcraft, I haven't situated myself with BW units yet


1st
server-uswest
name-mattskier
record- 10-12
comments-I think 5 wins came against AI(at least)

2nd
server-useast
name-mattskier
record- 1-6
comments-I usually play use map settigns games which don't count towards record. My one win came in a 2v2 game which one opponent(zerg)oo stupid to figure otu who to ally to and allied to everyone at first, and I used BCs and my ally used Nukes to kill the other player(terran). I was the only onw to expand in that game, 4 starports can produce mass amounts of BCs

3rd
server-useast
name-AK08
record- 0-0
comments-I og tinto this clans because I know how ot upgrade Units in Bunker Wars

OK, another point of view on Terran mission 10.

I find it useful if you have a group of goliaths and a group of siege tanks to take out the red base, capture the central resource area, and throw in a Science Vessel ot spots ghosts and kill thewhite main base. 1 battlecruiser armed with Yamato cannon can then kill the ion cannon

Originally posted by GenghisK
AOE sucks hard, EE too :D
Try battle realms. With a maximum of 30 units you'll have to do choose between some cruel dilemna. And that's really incredibly deep in possible strategy.

Blimey! I've got Battle Realms (bought in a 3for1 RTS package) but haven't really got into it - the tutorial and opening scenario are just so SLOW!!!!! I might give it another go though, if my favourite Mongol recommends it. Though I have just started Baldur's Gate 2, so don't anticipate any free time, or much sleep, for a while...

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Originally posted by GenghisK

AOE sucks hard, EE too
Try battle realms. With a maximum of 30 units you'll have to do choose between some cruel dilemna. And that's really incredibly deep in possible strategy.
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AoE will never die. It's already a well esteemed classic - the first real modern strategy game. Allthough other better games have emerged, AoE should be remembered for what it is: a fantastic and well rounded RTS, well ahead of its time. As proof for what I say, you will always find a few hundreds (thousends for Aok) of ppl playing online every day, and many of the original AoE sites have been preserved. I do look forward for the next ES thriller: Age of Mithology. (It includes new revolutionary day/night cycles + a lot of new units and buildings in a fantasy scenery, all embelished with 3D graphics).

All respects for Gengisk.

1000s for AoK, BUT

100000s for SC!!!

SC simply rules in RTS strategy, no other strategy game has ever achieved such long term multiplayer success like SC!
:D

If anybody doesn't mind playing with noobs and on the US WEst server I've started playign Brood War, so if you want a crappy opponent I'll be in the CFC room if somebody is there when I'm online.(My sn will be mattskier)

my account rec- 251-99-13
i rock in sc, love it too
its fast paced all out military might

Nothing can quite compare to that feeling you get when a full group of ultralisks, backed up by armies of hydras, comes smashing down on an enemy position. Or how about when the mutalisks darken the skies? The expansion took a lot of the fun out of Zerg air, though. Well, at least you can still swarm with zerglings. It's amazing how much damage enough of the little things can do if used in the right place at the right time.

Protoss are fun, too. Psi storm is great for hurting Zerg or BC intensive terrans, while dark templar are nice for picking on the more comsat dependent. Reaver drops and recall tactics are always nice....

no doubt