View Full Version : Reds part company with Houllier
chancellor_dan May 24, 2004, 10:50 AM Gerrard bought a reasonable degree of success to LFC, but this is a wise move if the dream is to restore the glory days back to Anfield.
It seems Charlton's Curbishley is favourite to land the hotseat.
Dell19 May 24, 2004, 10:58 AM Its not exactly a suprise as for the last couple of seasons it has become more and more likely as Liverpool have failed to improve at least compared to the teams above them. I guess this seasons non existant title challenge was the last straw...
chancellor_dan May 24, 2004, 11:02 AM True - however i expected he would see out his contract, as Liverpool don't have a history of terminating them.
Dell19 May 24, 2004, 11:04 AM Its the end of the season, waiting another year wasn't going to change anything and the fans had largely lost any confidence in him and this is likely to have an effect on the players.
Evertonian May 24, 2004, 11:06 AM Odds from Ladbrokes:
Rafael Benitez 8/11
Martin O`Neill 7/2
Gordon Strachan 4/1
Alan Curbishley 9/2
Jose Mourinho 8/1
Steve McLaren 10/1
Claudio Ranieri 14/1
Fabio Capello 20/1
Ottmar Hitzfeld 25/1
Kenny Dalglish 33/1
David O'Leary 40/1
John Toshack 40/1
Sammy Lee 50/1
Steve McMahon 50/1
Personally I strongly hope that Martin O'Neill doesn't take the job. I'm worried that if he leaves Celtic, Celtic will try to poach David Moyes from Everton as Moyes played for Celtic in the 80s
chancellor_dan May 24, 2004, 11:07 AM Dell - yes i did say it was the best thing for the club. But i don't theres any animosity between Houllier and the fans. The club has progressed lightyears under him.
chancellor_dan May 24, 2004, 11:10 AM I'm a Rangers supporter so O'Neil joining would be no bad thing, but Moyes would be walking away from a job uncompleted if he left goodison.
Suppersalmon May 24, 2004, 11:14 AM It seems Charlton's Curbishley is favourite to land the hotseat.
NOOOOOOOOOO :cry:
i wounder weather liverpool would gamble on Jim though as he has no experience in europe also no experience in spending a lot of money he has been usually limited to £2-4 million each summer i would think it more likely the big clubs will come next season when they see how is able to handle spending money in excces of £10million.
I also feel sorry of Houlier as he has succeded in 6 seasons to bring 5 trophies to the club at most clubs that would be good.
Shabbaman May 24, 2004, 11:15 AM Well, this isn't that surprising, is it? Very kind that Liverpool didn't kick him out earlier.
MrPresident May 24, 2004, 11:20 AM True - however i expected he would see out his contract, as Liverpool don't have a history of terminating them.
50 years since we last sacked a manager.
Originally posted by Dell19
waiting another year wasn't going to change anything and the fans had largely lost any confidence in him and this is likely to have an effect on the players.
Damn straight. If you can't achieve success in 6 years with hundreds of millions of pounds then you ain't going to do anything in your 7th year, especially considering our best players (Gerrard and Owen) were there when Houiller started.
Originally posted by Suppersalmon
I also feel sorry of Houlier as he has succeded in 6 seasons to bring 5 trophies to the club at most clubs that would be good.
Liverpool ain't most clubs. We're the most successful team in English footballing history and you don't do that by being content with fourth place.
Personally I want O'Neill but apparently the Liverpool board aren't too keen on him. They want the Valencia coach, who doesn't sound too bad but considering the track record of the Liverpool board I'm a little worried.
chancellor_dan May 24, 2004, 11:23 AM NOOOOOOOOOO :cry:
I also feel sorry of Houlier as he has succeded in 6 seasons to bring 5 trophies to the club at most clubs that would be good.
Moost clubs - not Liverpool.
Was one of those 6 the League? No.
Suppersalmon May 24, 2004, 11:39 AM Moost clubs - not Liverpool.
Was one of those 6 the League? No.
the NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO was for the thought of Curbishley Leaving Charlton
Evertonian May 24, 2004, 11:43 AM The Liverpool board have brought out a statement saying they want someone with a proven track record of winning trophies. This would seem to suggest that Curbishley is not going to get it. He's done a really great job at Charlton but he's not won trophies.
Suppersalmon May 24, 2004, 11:53 AM He's done a really great job at Charlton but he's not won trophies.
he won the 1st divison in 99/00 and the playoff's in 97/98 :D but im glad he proberbly wont be going
col May 24, 2004, 01:10 PM I thik many see how Wenger's knowledge of European football enabled him to get up and coming stars cheaply - Vieira and Henry especially and are looking for a manger with a wider range of knowledge than English football. What ultimately cost Houlier his job were his poor buys.
In that context a foreign manager is very attractive for a team at the top.
Dell19 May 24, 2004, 01:48 PM The problem for English managers at the moment is that few are actually given the chance to manage a top English club so they don't have the experience, so in some respects it would be interesting to see Curbishley get the job to see what he can do with increased resources.
MrPresident May 24, 2004, 04:34 PM If buying decent players cheaply is a necessary attribute, and I think it is, then surely Sam Allardyce is in the running.
Hitro May 24, 2004, 08:33 PM I thik many see how Wenger's knowledge of European football...
Isn't that French football to be more precise? ;)
Dell19 May 25, 2004, 04:32 AM Japanese football...
polymath May 25, 2004, 10:23 AM I think failing to buy Duff and letting Anelka go were the greatest errors by Houllier.
Suppersalmon May 25, 2004, 11:09 AM I think failing to buy Duff and letting Anelka go were the greatest errors by Houllier.
if i can remember when Anelka was at Liverpool i dont think he scored as many goals as he is doing now for Man City. but if Liverpool had signed him the combination of him and Owen would be worth watching
chancellor_dan May 25, 2004, 01:49 PM Anelka is a worthless G=French journeyman, incapable of staying at one club for more than 5 minutes. For Liverpool read PSG, Real Madrid, Arsenal...
Dell19 May 25, 2004, 02:40 PM He did well at Arsenal and has done reasonably well at Man City this season...
MrPresident May 26, 2004, 04:27 AM Anelka was rubbish at Liverpool. He couldn't even hit a barn door. I don't blame Houiller for letting him go. On the issue of Duff, I think the pricetag put us off.
polymath May 26, 2004, 05:47 AM You're right about him not scoring much, but he hardly had much of a run. Anyway, however you slice it, I'm sure Anelka would have done better than Heskey.
Stapel May 26, 2004, 06:57 AM I think Liverpool has had a more than fine selection of good players for many years. Since there hardly is any succes, we must conclude Houllier isn't much of a manager.
He should have been sent away much earlier.
Dell19 May 26, 2004, 07:02 AM I feel that Houllier is a reasonable manager and he may well do better elsewhere, the situation at Liverpool just didn't suit him.
MrPresident May 26, 2004, 08:29 AM I agree with Dell19. I don't think Houiller is necessarily a bad manager. He just couldn't get the team to perform well enough. However I will always remember him for the 2000/2001 treble-winning season.
embitteredpoet May 26, 2004, 08:40 AM I think the problem Liverpool have is that we are kidding ourselves if we think we aren't the 4th best team in the country. Even with the Thai millions I can't see Liverpool competing with United, Chelsea or Arsenal. We should be a solid 4th place not scraping in at the last minute though. It's time to swallow pride, resign ourselves to the loss of Owen and wait for Abramovich to get bored...
MrPresident May 26, 2004, 08:51 AM I'm sure people said the same thing before Shankly took charge. As he once said, "We have the best two sides in the country, Liverpool and Liverpool reserves."
Dell19 May 26, 2004, 09:37 AM Things change, Arsenal weren't doing that well before Wenger came along... Ultimately the manager needs to convince people that the team is moving forwards, not backwards...
Evertonian May 26, 2004, 11:05 AM Dell 19 wrote
Things change, Arsenal weren't doing that well before Wenger came along
I agree with this. It wasn't so long ago that QPR was the highest placed London team, ahead of even Arsenal and Chelsea. And even a couple of years ago when people talked about the top clubs they mentioned Leeds.
Having said that this season's top 3 are so far ahead of the rest it is difficult to see a new manager at Liverpool being able to mount a realistic title challenge in the short term.
Dell19 May 26, 2004, 11:22 AM Having said that this season's top 3 are so far ahead of the rest it is difficult to see a new manager at Liverpool being able to mount a realistic title challenge in the short term.
I feel that this season has been the exception and next season I expect the same teams to still dominate but it to be far closer, at least for the first half of the season.
polymath May 26, 2004, 11:34 AM Yeah, Liverpool topped the league at the start of the season, Man Utd. topped it at the start of January, then Arsenal went 'whoosh!'.
They won't do that next season, I'm fairly sure. ;)
L'pool need another serious striker and a serious winger. Then the usual bit of luck and they'll be there or thereabouts.
MrPresident May 26, 2004, 04:41 PM We're buying Djibril Cisse for 14 million quid. He should give us some firepower up-front.
chancellor_dan May 27, 2004, 09:24 AM Houllier isn't a bad manager at all, as Parry said at the press conference, he gave LFC some pride back - i's just time for a change, though i hear the Valencia manager has ruled himself out.
polymath May 27, 2004, 09:44 AM The great unfortunate thing was his health problems - I think that meant Liverpool couldn't build as effectively on their 'treble' season. But for that, I'm sure they would be doing better now.
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