I've been having this idea in my head to start a series of SGs that would allow us to compare which Civ is the best in the game. This is very hard to do because of starting locations and civ traits.... ie -China may have a great start on Pangea, but I wouldn't play them on archipeligo if my life depended on it. So, to help fix this I'm going to try and insure the best starting location I can for each civs traits. I have created 4 different start locations, screenshots to follow in next post.

My first Civ of choice is The Vikings. They are Militaristic and seafearing. They build the Berserks instead of Longbowmen, which means great timed GA, and a strong unit for early conquest if that's how we wish to play this. Because of this, I feel we should exploit their seafaring ability and want to have the a curragh out exploring before we build warriors.

Here are the Specs of the world I created
Version: C3C
Difficulty: Monarch
World Seed: viks
Size: Standard
Barbs: Roaming
Land/water: archipelago / 60 % water. Normal, Temperate, 4 billion years.
Rivals: Random
All Victory conditions are on, Respawn off. Rest defult.
Aggression: Normal


Roster:
Bede
Alerum <== Up
JB <== Getting Ready
SmellinCoffee
Sir Bugsy
--==Rosters Full==--


24/72 turn around, with no rule set in mind. Common exploits are forbidden, (Such as RoP Rape) but I'm willing to be more felxible with most things. You make a chain of 10 galleys then you deserve to use 'em to ferry troops across the world.;) Basically as long as we won't take a rep hit, or there's no one else who can find out about it, then it's all good.

I will be fairly strick about the 24/72 rule. If you need more time, just ask and you can get it. Just don't leave the team hanging.

Here's the save (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_4000BC.SAV).

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_start11.JPG
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_start21.JPG
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_start31.JPG
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_start41.JPG

alerum and gang,

After lurking your play in GK1 would really like to play Monarch game(s) with you guys, so sign me up.

Vikings are a great choice. I think I'd take start RW4 and plant right there or 1sw. I can't tell where the mineable grass is grom the picture

Welcome aboard Bede.:) I've lurked your games too, so it'll be fun playing with you.;) And we have 1 vote for RW4.

I have food/shields shown on map turned on, so when you see a square with 2 green, and 1 silver, it's a bonus BG. If it has just 2 green then it's a regular grassland. So if we did vote on RW4 then settling where we stand would be the best option I think.

Start 4 can be turned into a 5-turn settler factory with some MMing :).

hehehehe... I've played a few turns of each game to make sure it wasn't really a dud of a game, so I'm not going to vote... interesting that the wines are more of a pull then the cows are... ;)

Norsemen, not Swiss. Eat fish, not cheese. Harpoon whales, not shovel manure.

Not a sign up. I'm already over my reasonable limit on SG's :rolleyes:

Interesting Brother Bede is keen on playing another game as the Vikings though, with all the nordic action he's been seeing recently. ;)

Best of luck to you all!

Okay then we better change those grapes to some honey combs so we can make some mead!;) Going to see if I can find a fifth today, and hopefully can get started tommorow.:)

You know i love playing SGs with you Alerum ;)

Plus, every game i seem interested in it ends up being with you, SmellinCoffee or Solar. In this case all three.

So, i sign up :)

Start 4 please. I like wine :D

Im assuming this is patch v1.15

Great to have you aboard Oblivion! Yep, patch v1.15. This will be my last one at 1.15 though... next one I'll move over to 1.22. Looks like it's going to be start 4.... (rolls eyes) Just because it's a 5 turn factory, with a chance of being a 6-turn settler/escort factory, y'all gotta have it huh?;) Alright, 4 it is... now that we got it settled, got figure out the turn order. Anyone prefer to go first/last, or anyhting like that? Will wait for 1 more player, and if we don't get it tommorow then we'll start.

I would like to join up if you still have room. I have not participated in a SG before. I hope that's not a problem. I have played and won at monarch level but have not ventured further.

jb

Checking in Alerum68.

Haven't played the vikings before, should be intresting :D :hammer:

SolarKnight

Welcome aboard JB! Could never say no to a 2001 fan... or wait... is that a BORG ship?!:p Forget all I just said Star Trek fan!!:p Just kidding... really, welcome aboard and welcome to the wonderful world of SGs.;)

That fills up the roster it looks like! Anyone want to go first? If not, I'll just keep the order how it is, and we'll start it off tommorow. Start 4 is the one we're going with?

Yopu might want to consider arranging the roster east to west...to take advantage of the time zone differences. The roster runs from the UK to California.

Your right... thats something that's been a problem in the turn order for DGiT. So we can start it with Oblivion, then go to SK, and get the Isle Folk outta the way, then I'll go and if I can remember correctly it'd go SmellinCoffee, JB, and you'd end up the rotation Bede. Any problems with this? If Oblivion or SK doesn't want to start it off we can go in the same rotation, just start it off with someone else.

Good luck guys!

Thanks Gangis... I have a good feeling about this game. And have a soild team to boot.;)

Your right... thats something that's been a problem in the turn order for DGiT. So we can start it with Oblivion, then go to SK, and get the Isle Folk outta the way, then I'll go and if I can remember correctly it'd go SmellinCoffee, JB, and you'd end up the rotation Bede. Any problems with this? If Oblivion or SK doesn't want to start it off we can go in the same rotation, just start it off with someone else.

Looking at it more closely I think the roster should run
Oblivion-UK
Bede or JB-both EDT
SmellinCoffee or alerum-CA, right
SK-UK
Bede or JB-both EDT
SmellinCoffee or alerum-CA, right?

That should keep things rolling nicely east to west.

SCs in 'bama so that's EDT too. Or maybe it's Mountain Time.... care to let us know when you get back this weekend SC? Since SC has some RL issues going on, I'm going to slot him last.

Oblivion
Bede
alerum
SK
JB
SmellinCoffee

Here's the save (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_4000BC.SAV).

Oblivion, kick it off whenever you want. I suggest building curraghs before a warrior. I've found it's a very powerful trading tool to get a early ship on an archiplego map. I'd suggest making it your first build even.

Twenty turns or ten?

I'm running 1.22. What is the aversion to 1.22 over 1.15?

If needed I can take a stab at running both builds. It shouldn't be a problem as I still have plenty of disk available.

Thanks for putting me down in the play order list. As I'm new to SG's it will help me to draw upon the opening moves and tactics of the others. In other words, I think I'll do less damage by going later. :lol:

1.22 does not support saved games from before 1.22.

Most of us are in SGs that are using 1.15, so if we started a new game on 1.22, it would be annoying to switch back and forth from patch to patch every time we wanted to play a game.

Oblivion@ 20 the first players turn, then 10 from that point on.

jb@ I believe everyone else in the game is running 1.15 so it'd be a good idea to have 2 versions running, or switch from 1.15 to 1.22. It's pretty tricky doing it that way, but will save space. EIther wise just make a directory for 1.15 and 1.22

Turn 0: 4000 BC

Move worker onto wines, doesn't reveal anything except for a plains tile.
FOund Trondheim on the spot.
Science @pottery on max, 14 turns.
Set Trondheim to Curragh

Turn 1: 3950 BC

Worker starts to irrigate wine

Turn 2: 3900 BC

Nothing

Turn 3: 3850 BC

Nothing

Turn 4: 3800 BC

Nothing

Turn 5: 3750 BC

Worker finishes irrigating wine. Starts to road it.

Turn 6: 3700 BC

Nothing

Turn 7: 3650 BC

Nothing

Turn 8: 3600 BC

Curragh built, Barracks as Granary prebuild.
Worker finished roading. Goes to mine BG.

Turn 9: 3550 BC

Exploring.

Turn 10: 3500 BC

Trondheim expands.

Turn 11: 3450 BC

Exploring is revealing a lot of tundra on our island right now

Turn 12: 3400 BC

Yay more Tundra.

Turn 13: 3350 BC

Pottery --> Writing in 36 turns. Berlin switched to granary.

Turn 14: 3300 BC

Wow one big tundra coastline right now.

Turn 15: 3250 BC

Finished mining BG, start roading it.

Turn 16: 3200 BC

Still Tundra and Mountains on our Southern Coast.

Turn 17: 3150 BC

An American Scout pops into view and takes our goody hut. He gets a warrior.
He is up Masonry, we are up Alphabet and WC. He trades Masonry and 11 gold for
Alphabet. Find american borders with curragh. They are on east coast.

Turn 18: 3100 BC

Road on BG finished. Move to irrigate the next wine.
:) The only american worker is on a volcano clearing damage. That will take you
a while mate ;)

Turn 19: 3050 BC

Egyptian conscript meets our borders. They are up BW and CB. They trade BW, CB
and 11 gold for Alphabet. Americans also have BW.
Americans have dyes outside borders.

Turn 20: 3000 BC

Nothing.

END.

Trondheim growth in four, granary in seven. Needs lux tax at size four. 25 gold,
0 gpt, writing in 25 turns. Tech leader over Egyptians and Americans. Curragh
outside american borders.

Too late to put up a picture sorry, im going to bed.

Looks like good turns Oblivion. I'm gonna look at the save tonight, and will probably post a screen shot or 2 for ya.

Oblivion <== Just Played
Bede <== Up
Alerum <== On Deck
SK
JB
SmellinCoffee

Ok, a few uninstalls, installs, a copy, 3 downloads and updates and I'm up on both loads. What fun.

Oh yea, nice turns.

:)

hehehehe... sounds like alot of work, but it'll be worth it JB.;)

Oblivion, you didn't pop the goodie hut with the worker before working the wines? I did it that way and got Pottery.:p

Got it.

Play tonight.

Expect dispatches tomorow.

SCs in 'bama so that's EDT too. Or maybe it's Mountain Time.... care to let us know when you get back this weekend SC? Since SC has some RL issues going on, I'm going to slot him last.


Actually, Alabama is in Central. The EDT line starts with Georgia. ;-)

We just got our power back on (we had to replace a fuse box, and then the power company forgot to repair the power line, which they cut... :mad: ) so, I'll be here to pick up the save when it's my turn..

Our little empire
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_Nordic1.jpg


http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_Nordic2.jpg


3000BC
We have 2 other nations on our little island...expansionist America and religious Egypt. So America has a scout running around somewhere. Decide to trade him Ceremonial Burial before he meets Egypt and buys it from her. Net 24g in the deal. It's good to see science at 100%. We may win the race to Writing and we may not, but even if we don't we will have enough invested in it to get it cheap.



America's scout zips in and out of the fog and is shadowed by the Egyptian warrior.

1-2950
Curragh exploring
2-2900
Shift citizens around to get granary in 3, growth in 5. ensuring a full food store when the city grows and delaying the increase in lux tax.
3-2850
Map
4-2800
America founds New York on east coast
5-2750
Finish granary and start curragh as I want a look across the strait.
Egypt has learned pottery.
6-2710
Sail around island in east. Raise lux to 10%
7-2670
Egypt has learned Warrior Code.
8-2630
Sailing and growing
Send citizens fishing as it raises beaker output by two but doesn't cut growth or slow curragh build.
9-2590
Finish curragh and start worker.
10-2550
Second curragh reaches other side of strait.

We need more map data before we can determine settlement locations. I would recommend using a 3-4 spacing, preserve the one turn unit move from town center to town center. The worker a-building can explore while making roads to the next city site, which should probably be coastal as the gold advantage to seafaring civs is a big one. I would also plan cities so that border expansion is driven by settlement, not culture. It is cheaper in the long run and produces more gpt during the critical early stages of growth. A sequence of worker/settler in the capitol should work very nicely. The next two towns should build barracks first and produce miltary only. Expansionist America should do a good job of managing barbarians on the island and keeping them out of our face but it is always nice to have archers to go barb hunting. Don't build spears. Two warriors take as much time and make better barbarian defenders then one spear. Judging from the state of the other treasuries they are running 100% science as they didn't grow at all during this set. Once we reach our research goal (I'm thinking currency which should be worth all the Ancient Age technologies if we know enough nations by then)) it might pay us to turn off research completely. Just keep in touch with the other guys and be open to any trading opportunities.

The known world

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_Nordic9.jpg

Our little corner of it
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_Nordic10.jpg

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_Nordic11.jpg

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_Nordic12.jpg

Roster check
Oblivion-made a great start
Bede-built on that foundation
alerum-up
SK-on deck
JB
SmellinCoffee

Nice start. Anyone worried that our capitol is going to get sacked?

Also, nice Advisor mods. I think I'll keep these screenshots away from my wife. :)

On sacking, nope. The Americans have scouts running around picking off goody-huts and barb camps as do the Egyptians. As I don't think we are going for an early rush on the neighbors, it's pretty safe to build settlers and workers and such in the capitol. At this point in the game I wouldn't have any military in the capitol anyway, they would be out exploring. The only use for military is MP duty and with the coastal gold bonus and the worker/settler churn entertainment taxes shouldn't be a problem.

Everythings looking good.;) I got the save, and will play it tonight or tommorow. One thing is I don't aggree with currency being our research path. We're already started on the Philosphy path. I say we keep max reasearch on that and I think we'll be the first to reach it. We may need to keep Writing to do that though. I think it'll be a very good draw for techs, as well as giving us the free tech when we are the first. Map Making anyone? With Phil and MM we'll have a solid trading platform... as for the adviors mod... That's part of the reason that I said I'd be looking forward to Bede's post.;0

Everythings looking good.;) I got the save, and will play it tonight or tommorow. One thing is I don't aggree with currency being our research path. We're already started on the Philosphy path. I say we keep max reasearch on that and I think we'll be the first to reach it. We may need to keep Writing to do that though. I think it'll be a very good draw for techs, as well as giving us the free tech when we are the first. Map Making anyone? With Phil and MM we'll have a solid trading platform... as for the adviors mod... That's part of the reason that I said I'd be looking forward to Bede's post.;0

Either currency or philosophy are good choices. The difference being that Currency is worth twice philosophy and therefore makes even better trade bait...

Either currency or philosophy are good choices. The difference being that Currency is worth twice philosophy and therefore makes even better trade bait...

hummm... if we get philo, can we Queue up Currency to become our free tech? They let you go to the tech tree and choose, but do we have everything required to learn Currency? That may be a better choice, if it's possible.

EDIT: Bede, Where's the save?

We need Math for Currency.

And I forgot to attach the save....:blush:

Turn-log will be coming tonight. Forgot I had a graduation ceremony to go to last night.

Preturn (2550BC)
Pulling in writing in 10 turns, lossing 1gpt. The pop of Trondheim is the only thing that's stopping us from getting it in 9 turns lossing 1gpt. Even shaving off that 1 point is not worth hurting growth, so leave it as it is. Everything checks out ok. We're up WC on America. Par with Egypt.

IBT
Pliny's Happiest Nations report comes up. Our rivals are:
Celts
Aztecs
Arabs
Americans
Japanese
Carthaginians
Egyptians
and of course we're at the bottom of the pile.

Turn 1 (2510BC)
Explore with curraghs. Northern Curragh finds a yellow Border. Think it's Egypt. At least we're not going to be on the same island as the Celts and Aztecs. Bloody war there.

IBT
Trondheim worker == > Settler. It looks like the build cycle is going to be warrior, worker, settler... It's a bit messy, but it works that way. If someone can find a better way of MMing it, to get a better/quicker cycle that would be great. It's a 10 turn warrior/worker/settler cycle now. We could slip it down to an 8 turn worker/settler factory, but there's a chance we may loose population if we're not careful.

Turn 2 (2470BC)
Send worker south to join his fellow on making that mine for the BG.
Exploring with northern curragh shows more yellow border, but no cities or units. No diplo contacts pop up so it's probably just Egypt.
America doesn't have WC up there anymore, but they had no gold last turn, so they must have traded someone tech for tech on a tech we already had.


IBT
zzz

Turn 3 (2390BC)
Workers finish mine. Send both of them se to mine last BG.
Western Curragh shows us that the land to our west is a narrow isthmus. Not good for settling. Eastern Curragh shows an sea route heading further east. I think I'll take it next turn.

IBT
zzz

Turn 4 (2350BC)
Trondheim grows and lux goes up to 30, and we have to drop sci down to 70. Loose a turn on writing.
Workers build mine on last BG.
Eastern Curragh makes the leap across the ocean and enters coastal space.

IBT
zzzz

Turn 5 (2310BC)
Ouch. The country to the east of ours has a completely mountianous coast. I'd not want to defend that beachhead.
MM Trondheim to get growth and settler on the same turn.

IBT
zzz
Turn 6 (2270 BC)
What a waste of time... The western curragh finishes the circut he was started on only to discover they we have a HUGE Island ocean. This is a strange looking world. I don't think we'll be able to really see how strange it until the world is completely exposed to us.... Interesting war plans though.;)
MM Trondheim so one citizen is made an entertainer, luxury is dropped to 10%, and sci is raised to 90%, shaving a turn off writing.


IBT
Trondheim Settler ==> Warrior

Turn 7 (2230BC)
Worker finish mine and start to road. Makes no sense for a second worker to start on a 3-turn road, so I send second worker east.
Taking Bede's advice I start to make a very TIGHT build of 4 spaces. I can't bring myself to do the 1-turn move spacing just because I don't see much warfare with America and Egypt as our neighbors, and not very close either. It's C3C so RCP won't matter so we can tighten up later.
Curraghs explore some more
Lux goes back up to 20, which means we lost that turn of writing. Oh well, it's good to stay in practice.;)
Egypt gains The Wheel. Cleo can make her UU now.

IBT
zzz

Turn 8 (2190BC)
Second worker starts road.

IBT
Trondheim warrior ==> Worker

Turn 9 (2110BC)
Send warrior out exploring for prime land.
Settler lands on spot where I'll settle next turn.
Worker finishes road. Send him east.
Bergen founded 4se of capitol. Is nestled between 4 BGs. Set to Barracks due in 10. Is borrowing the mined BG from Tondheim. Next leader will have to make sure to switch it back and forth.
MM Trondheim so Writing will come in next turn with us getting a net gain of +5. All that MMing and it still took 10 turns to get writting! Maybe we should let the govern run the game like back in our Chieftian days.;)


IBT
Writing Comes in. 13 turns til Philosophy, lossing 1gpt. It's a good shot IMHO.
Trondheim Worker ==> Settler. Again, this will have to be watched closely.

Turn 10
After I reset the entertainer to a citizen, I have to redo luxury. Adds a few turns to Phil bringing it to 16 turns.
Exploring turns up nothing interesting.
Cleo's up the wheel on us, but I don't think we should trade writing til the end of the next leaders turns to keep our Philo chances alive. If one of the civs we know learns it, then sell it to the other, but not until then.

Notes:
Trondheim needs to be handle a very special way to maintain the build cycle. You have to put the citizen on the forest after the settler is built and the pop goes back to 5. Set to warrior. Warrior will take 2 turns, and growth will take 4. After warrior builds, set to worker. This will build a worker, and bring pop back to 5. Then you'll have to play to get the settler out. It's messy, but it worked. We can use that later if we want ot push out a warrior/worker and never shrink in pop.

These cities are going to be hard to MM I think. We'll have to share alot, and almost every turn will need to be interchanged between each other.

DO NOT trade writing, no matter how tempting it is! Wait until we're at least half way through philo, if not further, before we trade. The whole point is being the first to philo.

Feels like we're starting off slow but we're about even with the AI. Clean has a third city, while we just build our second, and America has had a second since my 10 turns.

Have fun!:)

Here's the save (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_2070BC.zip).

Screenshot in next post, as always.;)

Here's our Homeland.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW_2070BC.JPG

Strange land formations going on here... Very strange!

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_STRANGE_LAND.JPG

Oblivion
Bede
Alerum
SK <== Skipped due to Vacation
JB <== Up
SmellinCoffee <== On Deck

Good turns, but *ouch* Bergen not on the coast :confused:

The seafaring benefit is useless except for extra ship movement if our cities are not on the coast. The extra commerce can be really good.

It sure can Oblivion, but we need shields at this point as well. We had access to more tiles this way, and until we're stable enough, shields are more important then gold, especially since we won't use most coastal squares until later in the game.

it is really a horse apiece here.

At this stage of the game every extra gold piece can fund the science budget immediately; the productive grasslands shave a turn or two off the military camp.

I might have put the second city on the fishing coast since we went with the looser spacing.

Alright, to help ensure this doesn't happen again, does someone want to throw a dot map together? I think we explored enough land that we can throw at least a first ring dotmap up.

JB is up. I'm going to PM him and see if whats going on... SC, will you be able to play if JB can't?

I'll download when I get home from work tonight. I should be able to play and post before morning.

Consider this an "I got it".

Glad to see you could make it.;) Have fun.

I would realy appreciate comment on city placement before I dig into my 10 turns this evening. I'll probably start in on this ~10:30pm EST.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/dot_vikes1.jpg

Blue - On the river
Pink - On the coast (Shouldn't be our next city :) )
Lt. Green - On the Coast (I would for for this location next.)
Yellow - Coast/river nearing the tundra.
White - Filling in the gaps, could move out NE one space

Consider movong light green to coast SE of Bergen for the fish. Otherwise looks good.

Preflight: All looks good on the map. At home the wife is pissed at me. Unrelated to gaming.

Turn 1: Scouting and building roads

IBT: Volcano in American territory went active. Lucky for them.

Turn 2: Going to send settler due east to settle on river so I build roads in that direction. Our warrior scouting to the south. Ventured the curragh out into sea and found a passage to next island over.

IBT: We grow to size 6 in Trondheim

Turn 3: Hire a taxman in Trondheim for a turn before the settler pops.

IBT: Settler pops. MM Trondheim to get growth and warrior in two.
Volcano spews on the Americans. I weep for them.

Turn 4: Move settler into position. Workers finish road and mine for Bergen and move on to do the same for next settlement.

IBT: Trondheim, warrior -> worker

Turn 5: 1790 BC, Copenhagen founded and set to build a barracks. Workers connect bonus grass. Warrior headed north to explore and looking for luxuries. Lux tax still at 20%. Both Cleo and Abe are willing to trade for writing but I decline.

IBT: Bergen barracks -> warrior (needed from MP duty to lower Lux tax)

Turn 6: 1750 BC, We meet the Celts and trade them Alphabet for Mysticism and 10g. They’re up on us Wheel and we have writing and are 6 from Philosophy.

IBT: Zzzz

Turn 7: 1725 BC, We find the Celtic boarders. I’m sending our southern warrior on a quest for the goody hut near the Americans.

IBT: Zzzzz

Turn 8: 1700 BC, Nothing much

IBT: Bergen warrior -> granary

Turn 9: 1675 BC, Woohoo, we have ivory to our north. Philosophy in 3 so I’m going to check trade opportunities. Warrior headed to Trondheim.
Hmmm, we have spices and gems on our continent to the far north and now I notice a red boarder. Our track of land is looking crowded.
I get Iron Working for writing and 8 gold. America only has gold to offer and I’m tempted to empty Abe’s coffers before someone else does. Wheel is available from Cleo with a 6g kicker but I think I’ll see how it looks next turn.
MM Trondheim to get settler and growth in 1.
No iron close to us. Closest is near the Americans.

IBT: Trondheim settler -> warrior

Turn 10: 1650 BC, Our settler can head north towards the ivory or to the east towards the Americans and settle just below the three bonus grass, on a river and on the coast. I’ll let the team make the call and not send him on his way just yet. I’m voting for the bonus grass/river/coastal location.
With warrior in Trondheim I can set Lux to zero and push research to 90% giving us Philosophy in 2. The curraghs continue to explore as well as our warriors.

Le Save (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_1650BC.zip)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/Vikes1625.jpg

SOunds good, jb.

But.. where's the save?

Nice turns JB. ;) Did ya happen to get any screen shots of the new land? I don't know where you went with the first city, but I'd vote to take as much land from the americans as quickly as possible, so I'd go with the the BG/river site, and grab the ivory with the next one.

Edit: There's both save a screenshot! Looks like we got a nice choke city to work with there.
I'd settle the next to cities stratigically here. The site we were talking about, as well as on the hill 3ne of that site. We'll cut the Americans off, and we'll be able to take the north at our leisure, and since we're only pushing a settler out (I think we don't need to use the warrior/worker combo, it slows us to much) every 6 turns, we'll need that extra time.

Man, you're fast!

Save and pics attached.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/vikes2.jpg

A small quibble:
Bergen should be building military only. Archers once we garrison the other two towns with warrior MP's. Archers are more valuable to the Vikings than the warrior/sword upgrade path. Put the granary in Copenhagen.

A small quibble:
Bergen should be building military only. Archers once we garrison the other two towns with warrior MP's. Archers are more valuable to the Vikings than the warrior/sword upgrade path. Put the granary in Copenhagen.

I aggree completely. Especially if we can pull leo's (prays) We'll be able to upgrade all those archers to zerks very cheaply... speaking of Leo's, any idea when we should start planning a prebuild for that? I think it'll be very important if we want to afford our 'zerk army.

First time I have ever played Vikes and only my 3rd C3C game. I kept reading about Zerks but never looked into them. Nice unit.

OK, go for the white dot and then plant the next city on the hill (3NE). Good plan to cut off the Americans. We can then settle the plains and claim the ivory. Anyone interested in SoZ?

BTW, I got IW from the Celts. After reading about the Gallic Warrior I now know why they made a dash for this tech.

I don't know about SoZ... unless we're crowded in, and needed to expand, I think building any unit making wonder, (besides the Mil Academy) is somewhat of a waste of shields... but claiming those ivory would be so very nice.;)

As for Zerks... they are an extremely powerful UU. I think even more powerful then the Immortal... (gasp) Did he say that?! Yes I did! And an archpeliego map there is no question about it... the naval attack ablity of the zerk makes it the only UU to have.... Of course, I'm from Nordic blood, and that may be clouding my judgment on Odinist who go Berzerk.;)

Couple of points on SoZ:
It is a 4cpt producer as well as a unit machine. It is the earliest available cultural wonder and is very cheap (circa 200 shields IIRC). Those AC's come in handy as MP and as zone defenders, and properly supported with artillery can kill tanks and Modern Armor. Looked at another way for 200 shields you get 70 shields worth of production every five turns while building something else. I put together an OCC 20K cultural on Emperor starting with the SoZ and my city lacked iron, saltpeter and rubber and was surrounded by militaristic/scientific/industrious nations with a penchant for warfare.

Net net, if I were going to build an AA wonder it would be the SoZ.

I could see the SoZ being a useful wonder on a Pangea map, where you don't have Iron, but we do have Iron, aren't on a pangea and aren't going to be hurting for units that are powerful enough to build.

Also, the SoZ will pump out AC for us... and every 3 turns I believe... all I see that doing is building AC units which will reduce our unit support total. If I had to choose between an archer or a AC with our civ I'd go with the archer.

As for CPT, that would be a reason to go for it, but the unit support cost will negate that, unless we were planning on going for a culture win, but I don't see the Nordic path being one of culuture instead of iron and fire. In fact, I don't see any AA wonders that would be very good for us to build in this game.

I'm willing to listen if the team things it's worth it, but I can't see the benifits for us for this game.

Just a note on the archer upgrade to zerks. It is 150 gold without leos. 75 if we get leos, still not that cheap and we may not get leos.

That's why we should start a prebuild... 75 gold isn't to bad, but the whole point of the SG was to use Civ traits, including the UU... it may be expensive, but it has to be done.

<lurker off> I thought AC's and Crusaders didn't require unit support. Free units without support... not too shabby. :D <lurker on>

I thought the same thing... I believe it was the DGiT game when I finished clearing off our contient that I discovered it was different.

I did a little searching and an AC is free from the SoZ. It is not free of maintenance costs and it does count just like any other unit.

SC hasn't posted an I got it, and I even gave him a bit more time. We're going to have to skip him again I'm afraid.

Current Roster:
Oblivion <== Up
Bede <== On Deck
Alerum <== Getting Ready
SK
JB
SmellinCoffee

SC, I'm to consider you on autoskip until you're able to come back full time. Just let me know whats up.

Hey, are you guys still around? Seems that Oblivion, SC, and SK are MIA in not only this game, but all their games. If Oblivion isn't around, are you willing to take up the reigns again Bede, or would you prefer to wait a bit?

Got it.

Post plan tonight, play tomorrow.

CHecking in again, sorry guys, Ill take the game after bede if that is agreeable?

SolarKnight

Take SGOTM SK... I'll get this one after Bede, and you're after me in the natural turn order... It's a 24/72 in both games, so you'll thank me for it later.:p

Played today...

Results in next post.

0-1650BC
Send settler with warrior escort east to river.
Swap citizen assignments around so Bergen gets 5spt net and Trondheim goes on high carb diet. Set build at Trondheim to settler. Raise lux tax to 10% to avoid riot at Trondheim.

Sail west galley north then will cross strait and head south again along visible coastline.

Abe has been busy popping huts for gold as he has 50g in his treasury. Relieve him of it for Mysticism

1-1625
Settler trekking and galleys sailing. Curragh in east renamed SS Ostwind. Warriors exploring; warrior south of Abes's badlands spots a village and an iron mountain.

Swap citizen assignments at Trondheim and Copenhagen to boost population growth at Copenhagen but not change growth curve at Trondheim.

As we know the Celts exclusively the brokering opportunities are going to be from the Celts first, then to Egypt and America. At the moment the Celts don't have anything to broker across as both they and Egypt know how to put rims on spokes and America is broke.

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Cleopatra pays a courtesy call...wanting Iron Working for Wheels. Table it for now. She may pick it up from Abe...though. I really don't want Cleopatra to have swords to go with her chariots so offer her Writing instead and get 6g in the deal which is still a bad deal, but probably the best we will do as our alternative is a third rank tech for a first rank if we do Wheels for Philosophy from Brennus

We learn Philosophy and learn Map Making as well. Set research to Mathematics @10% assuming that Cleopatra will research Polytheism for us. We hold monoplies on Philosophy and Map Making which will probably get us Polythesm or Horseback Riding, though I don't see any horses, yet.

2-1600
Studying the map reveals horses on the peninsula west of Trondheim.

3-1575
Warrior garrisons Trondheim as it grows so no increase in lux tax.

4-1550
Settler and warrior from Trondheim head east.

Meet the Arabs in the far northwest. Abu is poor.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_003.jpg

And the Aztecs right next to the Arabs. He is much richer so sell him Mysticism for 60g as he would get it from the Arabs anyway.

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As we now have lots of cash turn up the heat in the shaman's tent to spend 48g to get Mathematics in 16.

5-1525
Build Reykjavik on coast.

The Celts start the Oracle.

6-1500
Exploring and trekking

7-1475
Found Oslo in the gap facing America

8-1450
Settler starts trek from Trondheim to Ivory Coast

Celts start Pyramids after finishing the Oracle in 3 turns!!! He pulled an SGL with Horseback Riding.

9-1425

Exploring and trekking.

10-1400
Cleopatra beat us to Mathematics, and she offers Mathematics and 90g for Philosophy. Our monopoly on Philosophy is worth ~150g, Her monopoly on Math is worth ~200. We have invested ~30g so far in Math so we gain ~110g in the deal.

Check in with everybody else first

Now it gets really interesting. Abu has Polytheism and won't trade it for anything we currently have though he might be tempted by Horseback Riding which Brennus has. Aztecs have 25g which I am sure they will trade for Writing. Brennus will offer Horseback Riding (worth ~120G) plus 80g for Map Making or even better, Math. Map Making is worth too much but we can pick up another 80g plus a technology for our investments in Philosophy and Math. If Abu bites on HBR for Polytheism in addition to already devalued Iron Working and Writing plus throw in some cash we will get a tech worth ~300g at monopoly for nothing.

So I am going to proceed with the horse trading despite the violation of protocol, but the opportunity to pick up techs and cash to this extent is just too tempting.

Start by doing the deal for Math with Cleo, then sell Alphabet to Abu for 10g. Then go back to Brennus for HBR and his 80g for Math. Then sell Montezuma Writing for 25g as he will get it from Abu when I trade Writing to Abu. And buy Polytheism from Abu for Writing, HBR and Mathematics.

Net postion after all the horse trading:
Cleo: 0g and we are up Map Making, HBR and Poly
Brennus: 0g and we are up Philo, Mapmaking and Poly
Monte: 0g and we are Math, Philosophy, Maps, HBR, and Poly
Abu: 0g and we are up Iron, Philosophy and Math
Abe: 0g and we are up Writing, Math. HBR and Poly

We pick up three required techs and everybody's gold.

After Action Report:
Treasury 353g
Science: Currency at 100% net cost 78g (26 turns at -3)
Military: 8 warriors, two on duty in Trondheim, one each in Reykjavik and Oslo, others scouting or exploring.
Labor force: 4 workers. 2 a-building in Oslo and Reykjavik. Join the two now building to the worker mining at Copenhagen then head them north from the easternmost wines to irrigate the plains on the eastern edge of the forest towards the new town.
Settlers: 1 trekking north to Ivory Coast and 1 due in Trondheim in 10.

Settler heading north should settle for maximum coast, then next settler should head north to pull our borders towards the Ivory. We don't need to bring it on line yet as nobody has any yet.

Tronheim produced two settlers in ten turns at pop 4-6. If it grows to base 5 and oscillates from 5-7 I think it can do settlers in 4. Just don't let it grow past 7 for more than the IT. Micromanagement math is not my best so I'd appreciate it if somebody would verify that for me.

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Bede I have a question...


10-1400
Cleopatra beat us to Mathematics, and she offers Mathematics and 90g for Philosophy. Our monopoly on Philosophy is worth ~150g, Her monopoly on Math is worth ~200. We have invested ~30g so far in Math so we gain ~110g in the deal.

How do you know how much a techs value in gold is again? And don't worry about the Tech trade at the end... I would probably have been able to follow it, but don't know if I would have gotten as good as deals as you did... no matter, I'm not mad about the trades, since it all turned out good.;)

I'll take a look at the factory and see if we can squeze the other turn out with growth... I think this spot should be able to be a 4-turn factory.

Anyway, this is my got it. I should be able to play tommorow evening. Any discussion before I take the save? It seems pretty straight-foward what needs to be done.

@alerum,

Handy little utility called TechCalc

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38631

Works for all versions of the game and gives you a pretty good idea of costs and values for all techs

Thanks Bede! Also has a combat calc built in.... a VERY usefull utility I must say! I just have to remember to use it *BEFORE* I make the trade.:p

FYI, I'll be on vacation from 6/12 to 6/19. If I get a save by Thursday I'll turn it around by Friday evening. If not, skip me.

@alerum,
Forgot to attach the file again!!!

So here it is.

I don't remember you not posting saves in your other SGs... is it all the wine our capitol has that's making you forgetful?:p I'm picking it up now. Should have a post ready by this evening. Since no comments were given, I'll just play as seems best. With all those new techs, I wonder what I can build now.;)

Guys just noticed something. We're on turn 64... somehow we gained 4 turns in the rotation. Would the team prefer I play 6 or 16 to rebalance us on the turn numbers?

Turn 0 (1400BC)
We're researching Currency at -3gpt taking 24 turns. Will take 29 turns of research to break even, so keep it where it is. Full Science until we can't afford it I guess.
Looks like we founded Oslo just in time to prevent the Americans from entering our soon to be conquoured lands. Egypt is heading south quickly, and will want to try and bottle this contient up, then we can fill in the middle.
Check out the Diplo front... Thanks Bede, now we're up about 5 techs on most of the other civs... and you left them ALL BROKE!?! What am I supposed to do? Want to set up some embassies with America and Egypt but not sure if we'll need it. Also, I think we've prevented them from meeting each other by building the block as quickly as we did, so tech trading is ours.

Here's my goals this turnset. Get our capitol set up as a 4 turn factory, put at least 1 warrior in each city, and getting started on building Archers.

One thing... I was talking to Ision and he said the key to making it objective is speed... ie- the babs are the best at culture because they'll achieve a culture victory before anyone else, and so on. If we can, I want to make each turn set as clean as possible, with as little waiting or delaying in game progess as we can do. This doesn't mean playing 3 sets in a day, just making sure we're efficent with our turns.

Looks like a lot, but Bede left me nothing to do... not one citizen to MM. Was just filling up space there... so I hit enter, and this is what happens...

IBT
Egyptian warrior moves.
Bergen warrior > warrior
Celt start building The Pyramids.

I'm greeted with this Message

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_Oracle.JPG
That one's worthless to us, lets see what everyone else cascades too.


Turn 1(1375BC)
3 Workers near Reykjavik move 1ne to mine the BG next turn.
Send warrior that just build in Bergen to Copenhagen. Copen' will grow next turn, and need the extra MP.
exploring warrior finds barb camp. Will take it out next turn.
Explore with our Curraghs... SS Nordwind, hum?;)

IBT
Notice that an American worker is caught between us and Egypt and figure it'll be hard to keep them from meeting, if they haven't already. I'm going to leave the barb hut alone in hopes that the american warrior will go for it and die before they met Egypt.

Arabs cascade from Oracle to Temple of Art.

Turn 3 (1350BC)
Explore with warriors. Notice the warrior I sent to Copenhagen wasn't really needed, since it would have been 1h/1c/1s... this way it's 1h/2c.
Trondheim grows to size 4. It's only going to give us +4 food. Being as we're in despotism, and irigating grassland is useless, then I can't see us getting a settler quicker then 5 turns, and to do that we have to MM it all the time. Our best bet is to make it a 6 turn warrior / settler factory. MM it to stop growth for 1 turn, and building a warrior to get our shields/food back on track for this.
Move warrior on Trondheim to Bergen just because we have one being build in Trondheim next turn, and we don't need it for MP... also Bergen is 2 turns away, so might as well do it now.
SS Ostwind explores.
SS Nordwind explores.
Seeing as we now have at least 1 MP in each city that's already built, I change Bergen from a 2 turn warrior factory to a 4 turn archer factory.

IBT
Lincoln tells our exploring warrior to leave. We aggree.
Trondheim warrior > settler.
Copenhagen archer > archer

Turn 4 (1325BC)
Send Archer from Copenhagen to Reykjavik. Figure that we'll be taking the fight to America first so should try and stack that way.
Don't think America will make it to Barb camp before Egypt does so take it out to get the 25 gold.
Move warrior in American lands 1 north, and end up with a birdseye view of Washington.
Still no trades.

IBT
We get an addition to our Palace! Our first one too. I lay down some Sod.

Turn 5 (1300BC)
worker starts mine 2se of Trondheim.
workers finish mine near Reykjavik and build road.
Was able to herd the Americans in... should prevent them from meeting Egypt for a while.
Found Birka on the coast 1sw of the Ivory. Crappy land... plains with not ariver in sight... but we have Ivory close by now.
Set build orders to warrior.
Move archer from Reykjavik to Oslo so it won't have to cross the river when we go to war.
Arabia has 73 gold, and are gaining techs quickly. I'm going to give them another 2-3 turns and sell them Philo. Want around 100 gold for it.

IBT
Get the Boot from America.
Bergen archer > archer
Reykjavik worker > worker
Nordwind runs into a barb galley. Fortify.

Turn 6 (1275BC)
MM Trondheim to get growth next turn and pull in another 3 shields. This should allow us to build and grow in 5 turns, but we may have to go 6.

IBT
We lost our Nordwind to the galley. Galley was redlined, and just didn't want ot die! We still have ostwind exploring the south.

Turn 7(1250BC)
Change Birka from warrior to Galley in 13.
Nope, Trondheim is a true 6 turn factory... not going to get any better no matter how we MM it.
I think *AMERICA* built a city on the island to the west of us. These blue borders just appeared!

Everything went pretty smoothly. We can get a settler in 5 turns in Trondheim, but it's messy and we're going to have to restart it at pop 3 about every 4 settlers I'm guessing... that or slow down settler production for a few turns like I had to do at the start here. We just have to keep an eye on it. I don't know of taking the wines over cows was better for a early food production stand point, but I think the war we can wage on America in the next 10 turns will help fix that... we can go to war quicker then 10 turns I'd imagine, but I want to allow them to get a few more cities up to pop 2... but it's going to be tight of allowing them to grow and having them hook up their iron for swordsman. Taking their lands will give us 2 more luxiries as well as Iron though. We have no choice in the matter, they're going to have to go first.

Current Roster:
Oblivion
Bede
Alerum
SK<== Up
JB<== On Deck
SmellinCoffee<== autoskip until he tells us differently.

Here's the save (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_1250BC.SAV).

Nice.

America and Egypt already met. America has had at least one scout running around since the beginning, and at the very start of my first set an Egyptian warrior was heading east and an American scout heading north.

Also, the land to our west is another finger of the home lands which wraps to the west and south at Egypt.

Also, is there a harbor at Trondheim yet? That might give the extra +1 food you're lookng for.

We lack iron and horses as America has claimed them both-the iron west and the horses west. Makes the SoZ look a little more attractive, I think.

Wow, only Bede's around to reply... maybe I should have taken the full 17 turns... SK, are you going to be able to play in the next couple of days?

My vote's for you to extend the number of turns. If no reply from SK then I'll swap turns w/ him.

Good turns. I agree w/ Bede's comments and am still interested in building SoZ.

Any thoughts on taking on the American's in the not too distant future to relieve them of their iron?

@alerum,
Go ahead and play it out to even.

I will be able to play as soon as I have played the 2 SGs i am up in

Ok, my computer problems are fixed. I'm up whenever you want to slot me in. Thats for DGIT and SGOTM too Alerum.

I'll play 10 more today, just to keep the progress going, and not mess with the turn order. Sk, will you be able to play your turns in the next 72 hours after my post?

Turn 0 (1250BC)
ChangeTrondhiem from Settler to Harbor. Will stun growth if I have to, to prevent him from getting to size 7.
Reykjevik is off it's equal turns for worker/growth cycle, so have to switch him over to barracks. It has alot of good terrian and will be a good unit maker.

IBT
Some movement by americans in American lands... nothing much else.

Turn 1(1225BC)
Ost Wind explores.
Find a Barb camp near American homeland... they can reach our cities too, so decide I'll take them out next turn.
When Bergen grows in 10 turns, it will be able to make an archer every 2 turns. Wish I could speed up growth, but oh well. Now it takes 3 turns.
Only deal out there is Arabia's 73 gold for Republic. I take it now instead of having them research it in 4 turns.

IBT
Bergen Archer > archer
Copenhagen Archer > Worker

Turn 3 (1200BC)
Send both archers towards Oslo, due in 4 turns.
Warrior takes on barb camp. He wins, promotes, and gets the 25 gold.;)
MM Trondheim to get growth and harbor next turn, but pulling in an extra 2 gold.


IBT
Trondheim Harbor > Settler
Oslo worker > worker

Turn 4 (1175BC)
CRAP! While I was exploring, I made a mistake and went west instead of south and our curragh was left in the ocean.
Move workers near Reykjavik from their last roading job to a forest to chop it and get the barracks in Reykjavik quicker.
MM Trondheim to make it a 5 turn settler factory... albeit an odd one... I just hope I timed things right and growth doesn't happen to quickly.
Trade Arabia a worker for 109 gold. It's below market value and figure it a fair trade. Move him from Trondheim to start connecting the ivory.
MM Copenhagen to get growth and worker in 3 turns.

IBT
Exploring warrior is kicked out of Egypt.
Our Curragh survives the sea!

Turn 5 (1150BC)
Workers finish last mine that Trondheim needs, and starts heading towards Copenhagen.
Ostwind is sent to explore the north!


IBT
Egypt tells us to leave or declare war. We leave.
Notice that America has 2 settler pairs out there, but the only have Ice bergs to inhabit. War MUST come soon.
Egypt sends out a settler pair.
Bergen archer > archer

Turn 6 (1125BC)
Arabia has 70 gold... wonder what they spent the other 30 on so quickly...

IBT
Copenhagen worker > Archer
Chopped timed just right and Reykjavik builds a barracks. Set to Archer

Turn 7(1075BC)
Exploring and continue to try and connect Ivory.
Trondheim builds a settler next turn, and then we'll know if it's a 4 of 5 turn factory.

IBT
Trondheim Settler > settler. Alright, I'm getting 5 shields and 5 food out of this city, or else 4 food and 7 shields. It'll be cutting it close I think as a 5 turn factory, and the next leader HAS to watch it and let the team now how it reacts.
Bergen archer > archer
Americans and Egyptians start Pyramids.

Turn 8 (1050BC)
Explore a bit. Nothing major.
Egypt has 50 gold this turn... hum, wonder how.

IBT
Get the boot from Egypt
Copenhagen Archer > archer

Turn 9 (1025BC)
zzz

IBT
zzz
Turn 10 (1000BC)
Met Japan, but they don't have anything to offer. 0 gold, but a interesting tidbit... they went the same research path as us... pretty much. The only tech we're up on them is Polytheism.
Go to talk to Arabia and they have Map Making As well as being up a bit of gold... I think they met Japan a turn before us, and that's how everyone over there evened up a bit.
Still up at least 2 techs on everyone else, with them having no gold. We're at at parity with Arabia, and have alot more gold then they do. I wouldn't trade with them until you trade with Japan first.
MM is a 5 turn factory now, BUT it has to be MMed specially... after the settler builds, set it so growth is in 2, and settler comes out in 6. After 2 turns, and we get growth then switch the fish to the regular BG. This gives us both growth and settler in 3.
Turn up Luxury to make up for Trondheim's 2 unhappy citizens. Sending a warrior from oslo over in a chain, but the warrior won't make it in time, so you'll have to run lux at 10 for 1 turn.

Notes:
Turns are even again. That last turn I played was listed as turn 80. Should be right back on par now. Was weird taking over my own turns...

Bergen should be MMed next turn when it grows to try and get 10 shields pt. This will allow an archer every 2 turns, which means we'll have a nice little army for our zerks... you have to admit... having the Viks with no Iron around was the best possible bet...

Not sure where to send the settler, just know I want to settle him around the forest game...
Anyone want to put together a dotmap to finish up our lands?

Here's the save (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_1000BC.SAV).

Nice job, alerum.

With the four core cities set up the way they are the next ones are space fillers and training camps so placement becomes a matter of resources or food. Given the nature of the Vikings te best thing to do is settle up both coasts, then fill in the plains later. Space 3 tiles apart, or no more than 4 and make sure borders close.

Good job.

It would be interesting to play a solo game in increments and then take a day off and reevaluate your goals and position. Turn it into a one man SG and see if it improves your play. I think I have an experiment in the making.

I'll take a stab at a dot map when I get home from work but Bede’s description of a settlement plan sounds pretty good.

Yeah, bede's plan should work perfectly. Just make sure that the less productive cities are 3-spaces apart for military movement. Inside the core, I think it's a bit to tight, but the outlying cities is perfect for a tight build like that, espcially since we're going to be pumping out workers by the boatload.

For my education, why do you foresee pumping out scads of workers? I tend to play my games by the seat of my pants so it would be good to hear from someone that’s thinking more than just a couple steps ahead.

There are two key destinations:food and gold. Workers build the road to both.
And of these two food is most important because it produces the other.

Food: population is power! More people more commerce, more commerce, more science, more science, more commerce and science producing infrastructure, more commerce and and more science, more and better military....

So..the more workers on the ground the faster the terrain is improved to deliver food and gold.

The rule of thumb is 1.5-3 per town. It really depends upon the terrain and how fast the population in each town is growing. An optimum solution would have enough workers assigned at each town so that terrain development matches population growth. In other words, if the town grows in 5 turns then you need the number of workers at that town so that each citizen has a birthright of improved terrain to work. Alternatively you don't wnat the ground over-improved, in other words improved terrain with no citizen available to work it.

So what's the answer: three or four workers split between two towns until the town grows to pop7. Develop a tile at Town A. Town A grows, citizens works newly improved tile. Develop terrain at Town B, citizen works newly improved tile. And so forth.

After Despotism and growth past 7 the plan has to change. So, discussion of that later.

Nice explanation Brother Bede. Workers are my favorite unit. THey are the backbone of any empire.

I will be able to play and I got it.

SK.

Edit: Just to clear things in my mind, are we settling the coast as much as possible then filling in the land after? That is the impression I am getting from the above posts, but just needed to clarify, any other comments welcome guys :).

Sorry, didn't see your edit there SK. Yeah, settle the coast first... rest of the interior is far from great, so the coast is our best option. Also, prepare to go to war with America fairly quickly... we need our iron from them.

Think carefully about war with America for iron. It may not be necessary until we get to Steam Power and need to build rails. The mighty 'zerk is twice the attack and the same defense as a sword and has defensive bombard against attackers. And the amphibious 'zerk is almost invincible until the Industrial Age. An army of zerks in a boat is unstoppable.

For a good example of what zerks can do take a look at Sesn01

Poor Warmongering Fools (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=86765)

I aggree that a zerk army is powerful, but there are more reasons to take america out now too. They have good lands, and are close. They have a nice penisula that I can see making a very nice worker farm. I made about 10 archers in my turns, for the sole purpose of becoming zerks.;) You don't think we should go to war?

I have made a rough dotmap for the coastal settlement, any comments?

I would move the red dot one tile East, or South-East.

I aggree that a zerk army is powerful, but there are more reasons to take america out now too. They have good lands, and are close. They have a nice penisula that I can see making a very nice worker farm. I made about 10 archers in my turns, for the sole purpose of becoming zerks.;) You don't think we should go to war?

I would go to war if it delivers some sustainable advantage. If we can get workers out of Abe's lands and they are better suited than ours for agriculture, then go for it.

Unless you are heading for an early rush, war too early can really hurt the long term development picture, as you are building troops when you could be building the towns to powerhouses.

Not a pacifist, just try to be thoughtful about it.

I can't see the dotmap SK.:(

Bede, I am a pacificts... believe in build above all others, just seems like our land is way to many plains and desert for my taste and really want to bring the hurt to america before they hook up their iron and bring the hurt to us. I can hold off if the teams thinks it's best, but we already have a nice little archer army started, and I see a fairly easy path to taking all the cities up the iron then declaring peace... the only draw back is they may get Egypt in the fray. Like I said I'm willing to wait... if we do, what path would y'all suggest we go with this then?

Yes, I'd move the red dot 1se too. Put it on the hill for defensive bonus and better land down the road.

Oops, forgot to reply in this one to say I was back. ;) Not really important since Alerum already knew, being in DGT2, BLA1, and RW1...but this WAS a loose end.

I'd say I'm glad to be back, but I really wasn't activein this thread to begin with due to IRL issues. :lol:

Pre - Turn thoughts: I definately agree that the coastline looks like

our best bet.

we are either ahead or at parity with the ai players, though this

could change.

Currency is due in 3 turns, and we are losing 7 gold per turn.

plans: will settle coast with respect to dotmap (with red dot

moved due to teams opinion - thanks guys)

will try to build more workers to connect up the new cities faster.

Then will see if the situation warrants building up a greater army.

If not i will continue to build infrastructure.

Turn 1 975 BC:

told to leave by egypt, so i will, no sense causing a war weare not

ready for.

Bergen: archer -> Worker.
start building a road up towards where the revised red dot

location is.

Turn 2 950 BC:

worker moves.

Turn 3 925 BC:

Currency comes in, set to construction.

Trondheim: Settler -> Settler.
Bergen: Worker -> Archer.
Oslo: Worker -> Barracks.
Birka: Galley -> Worker.

send new settler to blue dot as i think that while the less fertile of

the two remaining spots, it is going to be easier to get there

before the egyptians do.

Turn 4 900 BC:

Copenhagen: Archer -> Marketplace, will take a fair amount of

time, but will help the economy, (next player is free to veto).

Reykjavik: Archer -> Worker.

Aarhus founded on revised red dot. (set to warrior.)

Turn 5 875 BC:

our new galley valiantly defends against one barb galley but is

redlined, then destroyed by another.
Americans start ToA.

worker moves.

Turn 6 850 BC:

Bergen: Archer -> Archer

worker moves.

Turn 7 825 BC:

Egypt start ToA.

Worker moves.

Turn 8 800 BC:

Trondheim: Settler -> Settler.
Reykjavik: Worker -> Harbour.
Birka: Worker -> Harbour.

Turn 9:

Bergen: Archer -> Market.

worker moves.

Turn 10:

D'oh, our curragh sinks, Im not the best with ships but i tried,

moved an archer to intercept a barb near aarhus.

Summary:

there is an american warrior - settler pair in our territory, i will

leave it to the next player to decide on the appropriate course of

action.

we have a settler on the Blue dot, ready to found, and a settler on

the way to the red dot as well, our economy isnt great, so ive

started to build markets and harbours in our cities.

Good luck to the next player.

I think it may be a bit to early for marketplaces. We really need to do something about America soon guys... I suggest we attack them with a large force before they do it to us... one thing... seemed you pushed out the settler really quick... did you let the population recover, or just pull out 2 settlers ASAYC?

Oblivion
Bede
Alerum
SK<==Just Played
JB <== Up
SmellinCoffee <== On Deck

JB1964, there's a 24 hour I got It limit, and we're already at 48 hours. If you haven't replied by monday evening, around 7pm pac time, I'm going to consider it a skip. That would mean SC would be up.;)

Ready to take it at 9 CST. ;)

It is nine pm CST...."got it".

|Summary: |
All cities connected via road; still building up for a war against the Americans.

|Inherited Turn- 750 BC:|
Everything looks spiffy.

|Turn 1 - 730 BC|
Juding from the amount of archers we have on the border, I'd say someone wants a war with the Americans. Guess I'll my part to prepare for one. We found Odense.

|Turn 2 - 710 BC|
Settler in Trondheim done, next up is a barracks.

|Turn 3 - 690 BC|
Arabs finish Temple of Artemis; put an embassy in our capital.

|Turn 4- 670 BC:|
Oppressing subjects here, hording money from the treasury there. Nothing much.

|Turn 5 - 650 BC:|
We need a galley for that nice little island off the mainland. Trondhiem can build one in five. We ask Lincoln to kindly remove his foul-smelling settler-warrior pair from our land. He says he will. In a pig's eye. We found Haried.

|Turn 6- 630 BC:|
Demand Lincoln remove his troops. He sulks off. "Honest" Abe my foot.

|Turn 7- 610 BC:|
Lincoln demands mapmaking. Miss Troi tells me that our militarys are of average size. I therefore tell the Americans to shove off. The Americans shove off. Heh, heh, heh.

|Turn 8- 590 BC:|
Nothing much.

|Turn 9- 570 BC:|
Our new galley, the SS Bloodlust sinks a barbarian galley. We sack a barbarian camp. Arabians build Pyramids.

|Turn 10 - 550 BC:|
Nothing.

|Next Player:|
One settler heading toward a good middle spot. I managed to build three archers and now all of our cities are connected via road.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/vikingkingdom_rw.jpg

All's well in Scandanavia...

Good turns SC.:) To bad Abe didn't declare on us.:`( Save us alot of trouble. We need to do it quickly before he connects his iron. :hammer:

Bede <== Up
Alerum <== On Deck
SK
JB
SmellinCoffee <== Just Played

Oh. Um. I saw a worker go on top of the iron moutain on my last turn. FYI. I was going to move the warrior on top of the iron...y'know, resource denial..but I know that's one of those naughty exploits. ;)

Whoever's next may want to kill the workers (we have a camping warrior there) and then use our archers to blaze a path to the iron city.

Get it Tuesday. Play Tuesday PM.

Let's see if we can ride Abe out of town on one of his rails!

Mid term update.

Philly burned, Washington captured. Setting up for Atlanta (iron mine) next, then Boston (the new capital). Casualties light (some wounded, two dead archers)

:mosh: (What will I have to do to get this into a smiley I wonder?) Sounds like you're having some fun there Bede.;) Look forward to the full report... speaking of full reports, gotta go finish SGOTM, so I shall check on you later.;)

0-550

Lots of trades on the table:

Currency to Egypt or Japan for Code of Laws
Currency to Arabia and the Celts and Aztecs for cash and or credit.

So...
First step is build an embassy in Kyoto
Has the Great Wall
pop 5 1 clown 7spt, 10fpt 8gpt 80% science, building the Mausoleum of Mausollos, three spears in the garrison, no luxes or resources. Toku knows Cleo, Abe, and Abu.

Sell Currency for Code of Laws and 26g. Net 1 tech worth 247g plus 26g so total value of trade 373g only need another 23g to get monopoly value for Currency.

Call on Cleo: Sell Currency for 195g
Use some of the cash to build an embassy: Thebes is pop4, 10 fpt, 6spt, 10gpt, 80% science, building the Pyrmaids, has two spears in garrison. Has contact with Abe and Toku.

Build an embassy with the Celts: Entremont is pop5, all productive. He's built the Oracle and the MauseHause.
6spt, 12 fpt, 8gpt, 70% science, two spears in garrison, building a temple. Has iron and furs. Only has contact with us or Aztecs.

Sell him Polytehism for 82g.

Take the money and open an embassy with the Aztecs. I think I just found the big dog in this hunt. Teno is pop7, one clown, 16fpt, 9spt, 11gpt 100% science. Has horses and silks, four spears in fgarrison, building the Pyramids due in 3. He knows us and Abu.

Sell him Polytheism for 76g

Open an embassy in Washington: pop4 7spt, 10fpt, 9gpt, 80% science, building the MausHaus. Two spears and a warrior in garrison with a settler waiting.

Shift all coastal city builds to harbors. Hire a scientist at Bergen so I can pull archers out of the garrison. When the Marketplace comletes in two scinetist will go back to work. Drop lux to 0 and raise science to 100% for Literature.

When Abe completes the iron road I'm going to sell him something and empty his treasury.

1-530
Move archers into assault position.

Arabs start Hanging Gardens

2-510
Mishandle Trondheim and it grows to seven

3-490
Positioning archers for assault on Philadlephia.

4-470
Abe is moving a spear towards the iron mountain. Declare war and plant warrior on the iron. Move archers into place
to take Philadelphia.

5-450
Found two towns in the plains start building catapaults.
Assault Philadelphia, raze the town and get six slaves but no gold.

The attack on Philadelphia wounds two archers and kills one. There were three spears in the garrison.

Wounded fortify in forest. Workers are sent to build road to the core. Remainder of archer band moves on into America.

Rather than get stalled at the size 1 towns and diminsih the effectiveness of the force the archer band will move right on Washington.

Prior to opening the war I had hoped to trade for Monarchy with Abu to sell to Abe, hopoing to put him into anarchy during our attack. DIdn't work. Abu wouldn't give it up.

Abe dispatches a settler and warrior from Washington into the teeth of the advance.

6-430
Archer band ignores settler pair and move deeper into America. Warrior cuts road to Atlanta.

American archer attacks warrior on hill and slays him. Archer is crippled. Conscipt warrior appraoches the band.

7-410
Kill the conscript and march to the gates of Washington.

Advancing archer kills warrior gaurding settler and promotes to elite.

8-390
We learn Literature and enter the MA.

Sell Literature to Cleopatra and add 60 gold for an Alliance against Abe. Sell literature to Toku and add 80g for an alliance against Abe.

We lose an archer but capture Washington.

9-370
Head fresh troops toward Atlanta and a settler toward the rubble of Philadelphia. Workers get irrigation up the west coast.

Abe counters with a warrior from Houston and an archer from Atlanta

10-350
Wipe out Abe's lone archer in the hills above Atlanta.

Now we get to play the waiting game. Settle Abe's lands from the coastlines inwards, starting with the settler in the forest east of Reykjavik. Move 1s to the river and found right there. The next settler should go too the coastline between Oslo and Washington and the next to either the incense hill or the rubble of Philly.

Rather than chew up the archer force attacking Abe's towns after destroying Atlanta let him come to us. He has hooked up his horses at Boston so the next counter attacks will be mounted, though not very soon. Of Abe's towns only Boston and New York are worth having. The others are fishing villages and probably will be given away in peace negotiations once Boston is captured and NY razed (unless it grows bewteen now and the attack on it, so you don't need to spend resources capturing them. Once the forces at Washington and atlanta have healed move straight in Boston, but don't be in a hurry.

Our allies (Egypt and Japan) are probably racing each other to Abe's town on the finger west of Trondheim. Let 'em. If they show up in the northern plains put a worker/warrior wall across the neck leading to America

The towns are building courthouses in preparation for marketplaces then libraries. If you build reinforcements for the troops, build archers or warriors, not spears.

Our settlement pattern is evolving towards an Infinite City Sprawl so our best next government choice is Monarchy, or even Feudalism. The nature of the terrain suggests that we won't have towns above pop6 for a while, so unit support in a Republican government will be expensive and only marginally better in Moanrchy. Feudalism is a good choice in that situation and will last all the way to Democracy, or even Communism, depending on our choice of strategy.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_0011.jpg

Scared me when I saw the Dogpile in your title... thought it was on us!:p Good trading there... We're in the MA!:) No more worrying about river movement.:p

Yes, we do have a very tight build going on, but the land itself isn't that great. To get the most from it, we need a tight build. I don't think I've used Feudalism over Monarchy before... whats the benifits in our situation over Monarchy?

How is our Gold coming? We're in the MA so I say we beeline for Invention for our UU. Then we can make the world ours.;)

Oblivion
Bede
Alerum <== Up
SK <== On Deck
JB <== Getting Ready. JB, if you don't let us know you're still around I'm going to have to drop you.
SmellinCoffee

If JB is gone as I fear, anyone know of someone who'd be interested in joining this game?

Heeeey, what happened to the galley? :lol:

Galley's getting a refit after a scouting mission to the west.

We have most of the gold. Research was shut off once we entered the MA. I didn't see any reason to spend money on research. Let the other guys pay for some of it, especially the more expensive MA stuff.

The biggest benefit of Fuedalism is tha it lifts the despotism food restrictions, and imporves the worker labor rate. It doesn't do much for commerce or industry, but is a real miltary boost as we will never surpass the free unit support limits as long as the majority of the towns are below pop6. Monarchy and Republic military costs can be major gold suckers unless you have cities at 7 or above. It has War Weariness on a par with Republic. Corruption is the same as Monarchy and not much different from Republic. Once the populations and city counts get higher then a switch to some other form is in order. (OCN on this map without the FP is 17 towns, 23 with the FP. In Republic it rises to 18 w/o FP and 25 without.)

Here is a table from Tavis at Firaxis comparing the different governments:

From Firaxis (http://www.civfanatics.com/civ3images/c3c_governments.gif)

We will loose the ability to cash rush with it though.... I really like doing quick rushes. hummm... kinda feels like six of one, half dozen of another...

Turn 0 (350BC)
MM the cities a tiny bit. Notice that Houston will most likely be Abe's capitol city once we take out Bean Town.
Arabia won't give up Monarchy for anything. Abu's being a real jerk.
See that we're building Couthouses EVERYWHERE for Marketplace prebuilds, but only have 2 luxuries... will marketplaces help us in this respect at all?
Ahhh... now I see.. 2 luxuries will soon appear, making it 6 happiness.
Change Copenhagen to an Archer... 5 shields after mine builds... will be a nice even number, no waste.
Why is there a mine between Aarhus and Oslo? Thinking to far ahead gentlemen.:p
There's a galley Forted in Trondheim.. what were your plans for him Bede? I guess it's going to have to wait 10 turns, because I have no idea.

IBT
Barb attacks the Galley I took out of port to take a look at the island to the west of Trondheim. We go Elite. Also notice 2 more cities are on that Island. One is Egyptian, the other is Japanese.
Arabs are building the great library.

Turn 1(330BC)
Bede suggest taking only New York and Boston. I think he forgot to throw Atlanta in the mix there. They have Iron. Abe will never trade it for peace.

*** Battle of Atlanta***
4hp Elite Archer vs Reg Spear - We win, 1 dam taken
Vet Archer vs Reg Spear - We Lost, and he promoted.
Vet Archer vs 3hp Vet Spear.. The calc doesn't like the odds. (shrugs) If I die, sorry guys. - I win. Atlanta is ours. Those calculators never are right for me.:|
This allows us to move all our archers ne of washington, and ready to strike Boston and NY.
Abe will give us every city but Chicago NY and San Francisco for peace. (smirks)

IBT
Abe unloads an archer in our borders.
Trondheim Settler > Settler

Turn 2 (310BC)
Sacrifice worker to make a colony on the Incense in Old America. This allows us to turn luxury off.
Found Bodo.
I don't see a say to save Aarhus... wait, maybe... Rush a spear in Aarhus... lose some pop, keep the city. I hope it builds before they attack.

Have an attack force of 1 elite, and 3 vet archers set for both NY and Boston, will be attacking in 2 turns.

IBT
Nope, we the rushing wasn't enough. We loose Aarhus. And it shrinks to size 1, so we'll have to trade to get her back.:(
2 workers enter New York.
Egyptians send a war chariot towards our lands, trying to get to America... I hope.
Arabs start the Colossus.
Resitence in Atlanta Ends.

Turn 3 (290BC)
Vet archer vs reg warrior - We win, but redline.
The Island is really a pennisula now that I look at it zoomed out... and the Jap city that was there is now Gone. Looks like Abe took care of him.


IBT
Archer falls to English Archer that left NY.
Large stack of Egytpian units move towards... Aarhus I believe.
Copenhagen Archer > Archer
Aztecs building Statue of Zeus.

Turn 4 (270BC)
*** New York ***
Elite Archer vs Reg Spear - We win, 2 dam.
Vet Archer vs Reg Spear - WOW! What a battle! We lose 1hp, they lose 1, we loose 2, then we trade blows 10 times before he finally looses 2 hps, and falls! We Promote to Elite, and New York is Ours!

4hp Elite Archer vs 1hp reg archer - we loose 2 hps, and win the battle. Oh yes, someone named Erik lead the charge... this one will help us alot... I plan on building an army around this one may, who surely can LEAD us into any battle.;) Tell Erik to go to Washington and wait until we can some better troops to use him with.:)

*** Battle of Boston ***
Elite Archer vs Reg Spear - we win, Boston is Ours. This also gives us Horses.

Go to the table to talk... he'll give us every city but Chicago for peace. We have another 14 turns left on the aliance... what do you think? I'm going to stop the game here, let you guys talk about this a bit before I start it up again. I'm afraid we'll ruin our rep if we end things now. If we don't take peace, Egypt will march on Aarhus in a few turns... I have some warriors blocking it, but won't be able to hold out for 14 turns!!!

Here's what I'm thinking:
- finish the Americans off.
- declare war on Egypt once Americans are dead, retake our city.
- have peace whenever we can.


This is, of course, contingent on killing off the Americans won't ruin our trading reputation because we killed them off before the alliance was over. :lol:

Let Abe live until the alliance runs out. If Egypt takes Aarhus the city will be razed as I am pretty sure the borders have not expanded, so there is no need to take it back, just build a new one. I can't see the save so I'm not 100% sure about this.

It is way to early to ruin our trading reputation. Egypt already knows the Japanese who know other people, so the word will spread and we will end up forcing deals down people's throats.

On the Marketplaces, they not only contribute to contentment, they also boost treasury revenue to help with things like unit support, so even with no luxes they have their uses, but with dyes, ivory and wine and marketplaces we are in great shape for growth past six when the time comes.

Turn 4 - IBT
Egypt easily makes it around my 2 warrior, 1 worker barricade. They're 1 tile away from the forest of Aarhus.
Hareid Harbor > worker
Arabs switch back to Statue of Zeus... they need to make up their minds.

Turn 5 (250BC)
America has no viable attack options with razing. Can't declare war til the allience expires... Why did we sign that anyway? Just to prevent America from doing it?
I send Healfdene back to Reykjavik and form our first army. This was done to allow us to get more leaders. I think we should wait til we get zerks to load into the army. Send the Army to Copenhagen
Figure Aarhus is lost, but still try and move warrior in position to block an assult for 1 turn.
Start forest chop in Oslo to hurry the marketplace along.

IBT
Egypt can't attack Aarhus this turn. Nothing much else.
Copenhagen worker > Library

Turn 6 (230BC)
Vet warrior vs vet american warrior - We won. Go Elite.
*** Liberation of Aarhus ***
Reg warrior vs reg archer - We win, going redline. (coughs) We RECLAIM Aarhus, doesn't raze. Set production to Barracks.
Tell Egypt to remove or Declare.
She aggrees, but 2 of her chariots are left on the south side of Aarhus.

IBT
I thinks she's coming after us, not America She moves several units near to our cities. I'm sending all archers that we can afford back towards the homeland.
Trondheim Settler > Settler
Quell a resister in Boston.
Egyptians start Great Library.

Turn 7(210BC)
Kick Cleo out again. She aggrees.
Found Karasjok betwen Oslo and Washington. Set production to worker
Start forest chop on Washington's courthouse.
Can now sign peace with America and claim all Abe's cities... but don't to save rep. We'll have to wait another 11 turns before we can even consider the idea, at which point I'm sure he'll have grown enough where the deal won't be around. I'm going to start razing and rebuilding cities instead of capturing them.

*** Seatle ***
Vet Arch vs reg Spear - Ouch! Bad RNG. We redline him, and he fights back and kills us.
Vet Arch vs reg Spear - We kill second spear, get redlined but promote.



IBT
Egypt heads home, besides a galley which heads to Seatle.
Atlanta riots due WW.
Aztecs start the great library

Turn 8 (190 BC)
Send settler up to the north.

IBT
Egypt marches into our lands again. Their galley enters Seatles waters. Will block them from landing with an archer on the next round.
Bergen Library (First one!) > Aqueduct (Vetoable)
Order restored in Atlanta
Birka Galley > Marketplace

Turn 9 (170BC)
Tell Egypt to remove again. She does.:)
Turn Feudalism up to max pulling Feudalism in 16 turns. If we build libraries, we should use them. We have 513 gold, with a net loss of 11 gpt. I want my Zerk army!!!:p
Japan is now the tech leader. They still won't give us Monarchy.
MM as best as I can see to get everything balanced properly.


IBT
Egypt enters our lands again. They also send their galley around, and unload on the other side of Seatle. Doesn't matter.
Aztecs found a new city... Chalco.

Turn 10 (150BC)
*** Seatle ***
Elite Archer vs Reg Spear - We Won. Lose 3hps. Destroy Seatle.

Northern settler lands on square I think we should settle him.
Tell Cleo to leave yet again, and she does.

We have to wait 8 more turns before we can make peace with America.
I think we're 1 shield short of building a settler in Trondheim. Damn.
We should think about turning our attention north after this, but I really suggest we have a peroid of building at this point.

:goodjob: Well done.


Can't declare war til the allience expires... Why did we sign that anyway? Just to prevent America from doing it?


Exactly. Abe knew both Japan and Cleo and had RoP agreements with both. If we did not have an alliance with them they would have hit us from behind.


I thinks she's coming after us, not America She moves several units near to our cities. I'm sending all archers that we can afford back towards the homeland.

I don't think you need to be so touchy about Cleo's trespass. She has to cross our territory to get to Abe, our mutual enemy. We are her ally and we are winning and it's unlikely she will do anything to jeopardize the relationship, now. When the war with America ends, at the end of the alliance, is the time to be concerned about Cleopatra's intentions. Patience is a virtue....


send Healfdene back to Reykjavik and form our first army. This was done to allow us to get more leaders. I think we should wait til we get zerks to load into the army. Send the Army to Copenhagen

Put archers (or just one) into the army and wait for Abe to offer battle. Win the battle and build the Heroic Epic with the next leader. You don't need to fill the army and a combination of an archer and two 'zerks is a pretty potent land combination, with the archer's defense bombard covering the 'zerks.

Don't forget, galleys won't carry a full army (general and one effective fillls the boat), so land based capability is required as well.

Turn Feudalism up to max pulling Feudalism in 16 turns. If we build libraries, we should use them. We have 513 gold, with a net loss of 11 gpt. I want my Zerk army!!!


Good choice!!

Good job rescuing our city and preventing it from falling into the hands of Cleo. And I wouldn't trust her. Cleo's evil sometimes. ;)

Roster:
Bede
Alerum
SK <== Skipped
JB <==Skipped
SmellinCoffee < == Up

SK hasn't posted an "I got it" in 48 hours, and JB is MIA, presumed gone. SC, you're up!

Oh, good. Got it.

Inherited - 150 BC

Looks interesting.

Turn 1 - 130 BC
Nothing much, move some archers near San Francisco. (I remind the army to be sure to wear some flowers in their hair. They might meet some gentle people there. Har har har.) Japan betrays us by signing peace with America.

Turn 2- 110 BC
Founded Tromso.

Turn 3- 90 BC
Nothing much......Egpyt and America sign a peace treaty. Ah, Cleo.

Turn 4- 70 BC:
Approach Abe. He'll give us every city but one. I decide to take his deal. This will leave Houston and San Francisco on our continent, and they can be easily dealt with. And so we take peace for Chicago, Miami, some American slaves, and two gold. I have a feeling Cleopata is going to attack us This is because there are three foritifed war chariots sitting near Karasjok. Just a guess. ;)

War chariots are near Aarhus, Copenhagen, and Karasjok. Well, if she thinks I'm going to sit here waiting for her to attack, she's got another thing coming. I demand she get out....and she does. Okay, whatever.

Turn 5- 50 BC
Found Vadso on the same isle that Chicago is on, toward the south. They'll go whaling.

Turn 6- 30 BC
We're in serious need of settlers. And defense.

Turn 7- 10 BC
Ah...nothing.

Turn 8- 10 AD
It's a new century. Same old Vikings, though.

Turn 8- 30 AD
*SC stifles yawn*
Oh- look! The Aztecs are demanding...currency? Poor Montezuma, you're not in the middle ages yet? Poor Montezuma. You know the Aztecs are my favorite civ. And look, here's the excuse I need, they have more troops than us. But...despite my love for the Aztecs and the fact that I could easily give you currency, I can't bring myself to do it. Begone, Montezuma!

Montezuma vanishes.
Turn 9- 50 AD
Nothing. Done with Feudalism, though. Start researching engineernig, which we need for invention. Picard pops up to ask me to change to feudalism. Speaking of which, are we planning to get out of despotism? Ever? :lol:

Turn 10- 70 AD
Nothing much.

Turn 11 - 90 AD:
Oops. Accidently hit enter. Heheh. I go ahead and play the turn, I'll play nine the next time I'm up.

Next Player:
Settle and colonize like mad! ;) Chicago is ticked off at the moment, Abe beat the life out of them.

I'm back now, my pc power supply has been replaced and I'm ready to re - take my place in the roster.

Got it.

Do we want to revolt to Feudalism or buy Monarchy?, or buy Republic?

I suppose I'll do the math tonight unles some Excel wiz can build a govswitchcalc.exe

I think most of our towns are smallish, on plains and tundra...but you never know. Since we intend to go to war once we get enough Beserks, republic probably isn't the best choice.

Guess you can do the math and figure out which is better, monarchy or feudalism. But we already have feudalism, so...

Back in town. What's the order these days?

When I was playing the save I saw very few cities that will every get above size 7. With the military cost based on size for Monarchy, I'd have to aggree with your earlier assessment that Feudalism is the choice for us, maybe for the rest of this game. Go ahead, and please crunch the numbers... But I'll add a second vote for Feudalism... besides, I've never used it before so would be a good way to try each one.

Are you going to be able to play your turns, without skips JB? I actually was going to drop you from inactivity since the game has started. If you'll be able to take the time, and finish the game out, I'll slot you back in.

Bede < == Up
Alerum < == On Deck
SK
JB
SmellinCoffee <==Just Played

I'll be able to play my turns out. I just got back into town and have already pick up one game and posted my turns in about 4 hours. Our game here will take a little more thought though.

0-90AD

First step is reorganize the worker corps. Pull them back into the second ring cities to chop forests during the upcoming anarchy period and have them in useful gangs for the expansion northwards. The new towns on the peninsula need some help too, so I start workers there and ship a couple from the mainland.

We have two galleys hanging around without anything to do, send one off exploring as there is still one nation yet to be met, probably in the far north.

Turn the scinece expenditure to 100%, then go looking to find a scientific nation, not in the MA, only to discover there is none. The Celts however do need to be relieved of some of their excess cash.

He pays 186g for Literature so I spend some of it to look at his capitol: pop3, 5spt, 8fpt, 8gpt, 70% science, the Oracle and the MausHaus, horses and iron, furs for sale, building a stadium, three spears in the garrison.

Cleopatra also has some gold to spend, but has not researched an MA tech yet.

Pick up the archer force and send it north to say howdy to Cleopatra.

Send a couple of workers to the peninsula.

At 150AD shut off research and fire the government, we draw six turns of anarchy.

At 260AD we form a feudal realm. Income rises 20gpt, science output rises commesurately, corruption remains the same, maintenance is up 1gpt because a courthouse finished in the anarchy.

Despotism:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_Despotism.jpg

Fuedalism:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1_Fuedalism.jpg



It is now 300AD. Alles in ordnung except that corruption and waste are killing the productivity of our eastern and northern towns.

There are three possible deals on the table with Cleopatra (none closed).

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1Trade01.jpg

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/RW1Trade02.jpg

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The only recommendation I would make is keep Feudalism as a possible trade for Monotheism and get as much cash and payments out of her as possible. I am not sure we need the added luxury, other than it would allow us to trade another luxury to someone else, but who? And buying a lux from Cleopatra would allow her to turn up the bunsen burners. I don't know if we want to enhance the research pace... Selling a lux to Cleo would probably have the effect of improving her productivity and income as she has at least two cities at pop6 or above but would drain her treasury. (I did spend 70g to find this out.)The Arabs have learned Feudalism, but the Japanese or the Egyptians have not. We need Monotheism to get the upper layer techs on the path to Astronomy and Navigation.

There are Japanese warriors wandering around on our northern border and American spears cruising the east. Abe did not come calling to renew the Peace Treaty on its expiration so I sent some archers to the southeast. The bulk of the force including the army is in the north. Since the treaty is now expired I would go ahead and finish Abe off, Washington first. He has nothing we need but will remain a thorn in our side as long as he occupies his little corner.

We are currently running 100% science towards Engineering and can probably maintain that pace to Invention.

In the future the best science tactic is all or none (or minimum), even if "all" means deficit spending. Trying to maintain positive cash flow and a high research rate is usually a losing approach, as even should some other nation acquire a tech ahead of us the investment will reduce the purchase price when, or if, one decides to trade for it.

The workers in the core should be mining and roading hills and irrigating grasslands without shield bonuses. There are still forests to be chopped to jump-start or finish improvements. When the mine finishes at Copenhagen, switch a citizen to it so the Acqueduct finishes faster, then keep a native worker handy to add in. The city will be at or above 10spt then (a granary there would speed population growth). Adding a native worker or two to Bergen (another good granary candidiate) would speed the FP build as well since there are unused mined grasslands available.

With the removal of the Despotism food penalty Trondheim is a four turn settler producer.

Very nice Bede... sorry you pulled the Anarchy. Consider this my got it. (And Yes, I know It's me thats up in this one.) I'll try to take you suggestions, but there were quiet a few so if I miss one or two, then you can remind the next leader to do it.:p

Sorry to be so directive...

There are two important decisions to be made: over-all direction and research pace.

And the anarchy period is an opportunity to contemplate Infinity and the Buddha.

This, like the SGOTM will have to wait til tommorow I'm afraid. Was a long day, and the only reason I opened Civ at all tonight was to finish DGIT up. Will post a turn-log sometime in the next 24 hours.

Turn 0 (300AD)
zzz

IBT
Egypt ask us to leave. We aggree.
Egypt is building Hanging Gardens and Colossus
Aztecs are building Hanging Gardens

Turn 1(310AD)
Found Fauske in the far south. Set production to Worker

IBT
Japan looks like it's moving to take out America. I don't have any troops in the south to do it myself right now though. It's okay... plan on making these peaceful builder turns.

Turn 2 ( 320AD)
Change Reykjavik from Library to Courthouse.

IBT
Egypt declares war on the Carthaginians! I don't know if we've met them yet...
Engineering comes in. Full Speed ahead towards Invention in 12, and then Conquest!
Trondheim Settler > Settler

Turn 3 (330AD)
Change 2 mined grasslands near Copenhagen to irigated grasslands.
We FINALLY get iron hooked up.:p
Looks like we're going to run out of money before Invention comes in. Turn it down so we only loose 70 gold instead of 275. It cost us 3 turns, but I don't like running out of money.
I'm going to stop playing at 350AD, or turn 150. This will fix the turns again. I don't know how they keep getting so messed up.:( Does anyone else check on their turns? Anyway, end 100 years past the starting date will balance us out. So next player is 450, then 550, and so on...

IBT
Arabs complete Statue of Zeus.

Turn 4 (340AD)
zzz. Archers arive near border of San Fransisco, but don't declare war... truthfully, I want to keep building on my last 2 turns. Will let the next leader :hammer: America.

IBT
New York Harbor > Courthouse
Oslo Courthouse > Aqueduct
Aztecs are building Great Lighthouse and Colloseus.
CRAP! Unload a settler right next to a barb camp, and there's no one there to defend but a Japanese settler pair. I'm dead.
Start busting some fog up north with a galley.

Like I said, stopped playing after 5 turns to reset the turns to make it a bit more normal, and also because I'm tired and played 3 SGs in the last 48 hours, including 16 hours of work.

Bede
Alerum <== Just Played
SolarKnight <== Up
JB <== On Deck
SmellinCoffee

With Cleo at war we should look to make the lux trade to her to get the cash before she exhausts it. The benefits she realizes from the lux will go to fuel her war against the Cathinians.

We get the cash, she beats on another AI, her tech pace slows down.

I was thinking that now would probably be the perfect time to attack... well in how ever many turns it takes for us to get Invention and our Zerks. We have several archers, as well as an army right on the border with Egypt, just waiting to finish her off. Normally your suggestion would be a great idea, but I don't know about entering a deal for 20 turns, which we may want to break in less then 10.

I was thinking that now would probably be the perfect time to attack... well in how ever many turns it takes for us to get Invention and our Zerks. We have several archers, as well as an army right on the border with Egypt, just waiting to finish her off. Normally your suggestion would be a great idea, but I don't know about entering a deal for 20 turns, which we may want to break in less then 10.

If her North is being worked over :ar15: :egypt: :whipped: then it's our duty to consider spanking her "southern boarders". :nono:

I'm really enjoy these SG's. It's this kind of input that makes it fun and really helps my game.