I am sure ppl talked about this before.

Just like installing a new governor in a town you take, we should be able to install a different leader in another civ after fulfilling certain criteria.
We either take its capital and then sign peace, giving it back and installing a new ruler. :cool:
Or put enough pressure - military, economic, political, religious - to force its people to overthrow their ruler and install one friendly to me.

Sometimes firendly civs declare war on you even after you've been giving them techs and resources for free. I want to prevent that.

Mutual Protection pacts suck. :mad:

I also want to be able to bring back a civ that was destroyed by others. Liberate its former towns and create an independent state out of them. It would be naturally freindly to me.

I'm a huge fan of this. I think this involves changing domination from occupying every city to just making a civilzation surrender.

Just by demoralizing someone's people enough, a nation surrenders to another nation. Or by making another leader tired of the game and willing to give up. You get control over their nation, but instead of having to micromanage, they become a puppet dictator for you -- essentially automating all kinds of tedious stuff for you, while you reap benefits of wealth or labor or resources... plus world control.

And, of course, another nation could intervene and restore things. Or take possession themselves. Extinction and ressurection.

Add ideas of colonialism (like settling your own settlers in the puppet regime's cities) ... or of complete assimilation (if the nation's culture is dismal enough that you can overtake it, then people won't even remember who they are... much easier early in the game, but harder after the civilization has all kinds of history, like france or greece) and you have something really special.

This way our civ is also succeptible to losing its own ruler if a more powerful civ pressures our ppl to overthrow the gov't and install a new one. In this case, I would have to change my name and system of gov't and agree not to attack the other civ, break agreements previously made under the old gov't, etc.

I love the idea the only problem I see with this is what would be a counter to it beacuse it would be not only un-balanced but it would downright start a domination frenzy and kill the whole other aspects of power in CIV. Maybe a nation with happy citizens would resist such temptations of defecting or something.


and if u want to you can already in CIV3 bring old nations back buy selecting the civ respawn option and giving them back all there cities. Problem with that is they may not be happy....

I love the idea the only problem I see with this is what would be a counter to it beacuse it would be not only un-balanced but it would downright start a domination frenzy and kill the whole other aspects of power in CIV. Maybe a nation with happy citizens would resist such temptations of defecting or something.

and if u want to you can already in CIV3 bring old nations back buy selecting the civ respawn option and giving them back all there cities. Problem with that is they may not be happy....
Not really. It reflects the real world better, and the game can always be balanced by upping the cost and requiring techs, special abilities, etc. I don't see any problem with it.

I never seen the respawn option work before, even if I check it.

I like it.

I like this idea al ot that way you can liberate your allies if they fall to enemy forces the the U.S liberated France during World War II. I also think that (during regicide games) if you capture the king unit then he/she will have to meet any of your demands such as installing a puppet government or surrendering his/her empire to you. I also like the idea of putting pressure on other civs to overthrow their government.

great idea! i hate it when my ally is being conqured and I step in to save them, I reconquere their capital and give it to them for free but they do not change their capital back!

Good point.
This is so strange. The loser will make a new capital in a small out of the way town, but his old capital with the big cities will be on the edge of his empire with lots of corruption. A dead end situation.

great idea! i hate it when my ally is being conqured and I step in to save them, I reconquere their capital and give it to them for free but they do not change their capital back!