Two ideas are percolating for Bede02:

1) Greeks on an old, arid, temperate Panagea (most water), raging barbs at Demigod. Max aggression with Mediterranean and Near East nations. All victory conditions enabled, preferred victory, Domination. Only variant rule is required use of representative governments.

2) Japanese on a young, temperate, cool, archipelago (least water), max aggression with China, Korea , MesoAmerican and European nations. All victory conditions enabled; preferred victories: Space or Diplomatic. Arathorn's Defiant Variant with the added requirement of only Despotism, Feudalism, Fascism for governments.


Defiant Variant: You must never give in to a demand from an opponent, that is, you always reject demands for tribute. You may never ally, sign a Right of Passage, MPP, or embargo with another civilization. You may never pay for peace (a peace treaty must either be straight-up or the opponent gives a concession to you. A deal where a tech costs 20 gpt normally and you pay 10 gpt for that tech as part of a peace treaty is fine). Any troops on your soil must be given a boot order every turn. No capturing foreign cities or demanding them in diplomacy. No foreign workers merged into existing cities. If an AI razes one of your cities, that civ must be eliminated.

Comments, questions, enlistments, brickbats or rotten tomatoes, all solicited. :)

I don't know where you seem to find all these words from, are you an English teacher or something? I used to think I had a decent vocabulary, but not anymore....

You didn't mention the difficulty for #2. I'd probably say emperor would be adequately difficult if you don't want to be entirely overrun in the early game. Space and diplomatic seem like odd victories for a defiant game, but I guess that's part of the fun, right?

I'll voice some interest in #2 as it has some elements (victories and govts) that I don't see/use very often.

Since you asked...

http://www.loobiecore.com/matocloseup.jpg

I have always found Arathorn's variants interesting. Would Japan be the best civ for the defiant variant? I think a game at demi-god or higher would be quite challenging. While at Emperor, I think it would be a walk over. The level is a tough one. I'd be up for it though.

I too am amazed at Bede's use of words sometimes. Maybe she is an author?

Bede, is it OK that for my future SGs I ask you to come up with the title? :)

Bede is a male type person. I think his vocabulary comes from all those nights studying in the monastry. :D

He gets his callsign from an Irish monk from the middle ages who wrote extensively on theology. (In fact he build the Sistine Chapel when he was done by using a Sun Tzu pre-build)

Just to clear up any confusion on the moniker

"Bede the Venerable"

English Benedictine monk and scholar, chiefly known for his Historia Ecclesiastica Gentis Anglorum (Ecclesiastical History of the English People), a history of England from the Roman occupation to 731, the year it was completed.

Bede's studies and writings were devoted to religious purpose. The central theme of his Historia Ecclesiastica is that of the church as a force welding spiritual, doctrinal, and cultural unity out of violence and barbarism. The work integrates a mass of laboriously collected information...The breadth of his learning reveals the extensive library available to him and the level of culture achieved in England in his time.

Microsoft® Encarta® Online Encyclopedia 2004
© 1997-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All Rights Reserved.
© 1993-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All Rights Reserved.

On to the game:
Looks like #2 has generated interest so let's pursue it further.

Japanese were chosen because it is a nation I have not played and I find the combination of traits interesting.

Some notes on their characteristics (cribbed from Civilipedia):

"The Japanese are considered a Militaristic and Religious civilization, therefore, they start with The Wheel and Ceremonial Burial, and have significant bonuses to military activities and religious pursuits."

The Japanese offer a combination of traits without an easy synergy. In other words the players must be clever and creative to make the most of the opportunities presented.

And, Ision has not written, or edited, a review of the Japanese so perhaps we could provide some insight to his work in progress.

Finally, I have been reading James Clavell's "Shogun" when I'm not playing Civ.

As for level I agree that Demigod would be a challenge and Emperor a walkover.

I chose the Defiant Variant, the world conditions and the government choices because it seems to fit the historical character of the Japanese (please correct me if I am in error), and I derive perverse pleasure in "rewriting" history (closet megalomaniac, I suspect).

And, thanks for the tomato, T-Hawk. :lol:

Is there anybody willing to spin a selection of maps based on these characteristics?

<signs up>

I got bored, so I generated some starts for you. :)

Settings (? marks setting not specified)

Version - 1.22f (?)
Size - Standard (?)
Climate - Normal, cool, 3 Billion
Landmass - Archipelago (60%)
Barbs - Raging (? but you did indicate max aggression...)
Normal victory conditions
Cultural link off, respawn off (?)
Demigod, most aggressive
Opponents: China, Korea, Iroquois, Aztecs, Germany, France, Greece

Centralized wheat..
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/BEDE02_Wheat.JPG

Coastal luxury:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/BEDE02_Coastal.JPG

Personal favorite:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/BEDE02_Horses.JPG


And the files, of course: >>>SAVES<<< (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/Bede::s_Beginnings.zip)

Thanks, Sesn.

I'll post the announcement and the thread today.

May swap opponents around a little: Spain, Portugal and England would play nicely for the Europeans.

What do you think?

Clavell is wonderful reading Bede-sama. Everyone of his books are worth the time.

No real preference on the start, the first one would be nice since you wouldn't have to move and you have some water. I think the others are probably salty.

The civs were the part I was least confident about. Guess the starts will have to be rerolled.....

The reason I didn't take seafaring civs is because I figured with 60% water, their trait would be less powerful.

If there's any spot left for the SG your starting, I'd like to sign up for it. Been interested in joining a SG for a while, if that's ok?

Sesn, If you remembered the seed, you may be able to duplicate the start. Unless you are like me and misplace the post-it you wrote it down on. :rolleyes:

ummm, I generally don't write down seeds at all. :rolleyes:

However, the saves are there, and I know ainwood made a program for things like this, didn't he?

Yep!

Working on it right now.

:wavey: DH Welcome aboard
:wavey: SirLenTaft Welcome aboard


Here's the thread:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=91807

Any suggestions from the team on order of go?

Bede02 has come to an end as the Chinese warp drives carry them off the planet. The defiant Ronin of Japan still stood at the end with their hold on the island secure. Game date was 2018. Cosindering the challenges faced a strong performance, I think.

So now it is time to consider Bede03.

As victory at Demigod in my personal epic games is proving elusive I would like to continue the series at that level. And in keeping with the intent of playing the "less played" nations in C3C I am considering the Koreans (scientific/commercial) in a small, young world, continents, arid, minimum water, random barbarians.

Comments, suggestions, enlistments....

I am really liking the small and tiny map ideas. My only time playing Korea was a loss in GOTM24 (I think that was the number)

I'll enlist on your team, regardless of variant.

Edit - another idea. Everyone is saying that original civ plays harder. Wanna play on 1.29? Deity?

What nation on 1.29?

Not Persia I hope.

What are the least played of the original 16? Aztecs, English, Egypt, Zulu. Most folks hate their UUs. Although I am presently playing games with the English and Zulu.

Overplayed: Persia, Babylon, Iroquois, France, Germany.

Average: Rome, Japan, America, China, India, Greece

Underplayed: Aztecs, English, Zulu, Egypt, Russia

Playing as Russia or Greece would be cool. I've never played as Russia, and only in GOTM21 as Greece. That was July 2003.

If we play Deity, we wouldn't need much of a variant, since the original Deity is pretty hard.

So, Deity in vanilla with Russians on a small map, average conditions, continents (no more islands unless its a seafaring civ for this sailor), anything else you can think of?

I agree with no more islands. Now we just need about three more people willing to yank their hair out.

I thought I'd send invites to the SGOTM3 gang. There is at least three masochists in tha bunch. Just have to hope they are not bald already.

I know R&L was looking for a game. I bet G-man and Denyd are crazy enough to jump on this one.

R&L, denyd and Ankka are in. Thread goes up tonight. Think five will do it as it is a small map.

Version: C3C 1.22
Level: Emperor
Variant: Arathorn's One Built City



One Built City (OBC): You may never build settlers…from any city.

Sample Game (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=69220)

And here are the twists:

Cast Iron Skillet

Map Settings:

Climate: ARID
Temperature: WARM.
World Age: 3 BILLION YEARS.
LandForm: PANGAEA.
Map Size: SMALL.
Ocean Coverage: 60%.
Barbarians: Random

PLAYERS:
Babylon (Human player)
Opponents: Agricultural

Sample start:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/CIS_Sample.jpg

Bede's Greasy Spoon

Map Settings:

Climate: ARID
Temperature: Cool
World Age: 3 BILLION YEARS.
LandForm: PANGAEA.
Map Size: SMALL.
Ocean Coverage: 60%.
Barbarians: Random

PLAYERS:
Babylon (Human player)
Opponents: Agricultural

Sample Start:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/BGS_Sample.jpg

scoutsout has already expressed interest and Team Bede from SGOTM4 have received invitations to the dance but if there is additional interest I would not be averse to hosting two games :crazyeye:

There is additional interest...

:wavey: Allow me to welcome you this happy band o' bandits, el filet.

Skillet or Spoon?

I have some interest. It will be quite a challenge on Emperor. So, if there's room (after el filet of course), I would join. :)

edit: Just saw your post - I have interest in the first one, the skillet.
edit2: I was just reading the sample game you posted - we can capture cities; ok, that makes it a bit more interesting. :crazyeye:

Howdy, GA.

You're in the frying pan, depending on what the Team Bede crowd decides. I owe them a game so they have first choice.

knocking the rust off my sword....

Edit: very slight preference for the 'greasy spoon' start.

@scout,

Two OBC variants, Cast Iron Skillet(hot and dry) and Bede's Greasy Spoon (cold and dry), Emperor, Babylon

I'd play either of those. I like the looks of the "greasy spoon" start, but "cast iron skillet" sounds too cool. :D

s'right, you're in the skillet. The posted start is only a sample of 5. Once a roster is together we can pick the one we want. All land conditions and opponenets are the same, only variable was the barbarian acitivity.

I prefer warm weather (skillet), but spoon's ok too.

@el filet,
S'right, hoss. You're in the frying pan. I hope to hear from the Team Bede crowd today and as soon as I do will put up the thread with a roster.

Here comes a Team Bede member to sign up. I'm open to either the skillet or the spoon (as long as the spoon is metal).

If you need a player for either one, sign me up

Count me in please.

I'm leaning towards the skillet game, as it should have more jungle and less tundra. I really don't like tundra. :crazyeye:

Thanks for the great response and a rousing :wavey: to el filet and GingerAle.

Rosters so far:

Cast Iron Skillet

el filet
GingerAle
scoutsout
Zakharov
Bede

Greasy (Silver) Spoon:

Sir Bugsy
TimBentley
fbouthil - spot open, if you want it
MOTH - spot open if you want it
Bede

I''ll put up the threads tomorrow. Looking forward to it.

Thanks for the invitation, but I have too much on m plate at this time. Maybe another time.

@MOTH,
You'll be missed. See you on the Rialto!

Sounds very difficult, at least for me. I will have to make the time, This sounds too fun to pass up! Sign me in!

@fbouthil,
You're in. How about busboy in the Greasy Spoon?

Threads are up.

And all rosters full!!!