http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/euro_2004/england/3835415.stm

See story above.

1. Beckham takes the blame for England's defeat.
2. Sven Goran Erikson had complained about that penalty spot twice, before the match!!
3. Portguese defender broke Rooney's foot.

With all these things adding up, I think Portugal should be disqualified.

disqualified? for winning the match?

disqualified? for winning the match?

Absolutely.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/euro_2004/england/3835415.stm

See story above.

1. Beckham takes the blame for England's defeat.
2. Sven Goran Erikson had complained about that penalty spot twice, before the match!!
3. Portguese defender broke Rooney's foot.

With all these things adding up, I think Portugal should be disqualified.

are you serious? I guess tomorrow you will laugh over it yourself

disqualified? for winning the match?

FIFA could make England & Portugal play again, with that famous Italian referee. :goodjob:

You mean Collina.. :scan:

http://www.antville.org/img/conspir/collina.jpg

He should be made to referee every match in international tournaments. He's a class referee.

That fool tonight should have been wearing a Portugal shirt. Disallowing a perfectly good goal... Marvellous, nothing like leaving a bitter feeling over a dodgy win. The way I see it, he ruined England's tournament, but sullied Portugal's. What if they win now?

England 3 - Switzerland 0

Swiss Ref 1 (disallowed goal) - England Go Home...


Great.

English people are amazing. They are always bashing Italy because Italians are supposed to not admit the defeat... and when it's their turn, they do even worse.

Trappatoni has taken his responsibility. And I'm sorry to say so but England have played more defensively than Italy in this tournament. I was sad for England tonight, but seriously, I think that English bad spirit is getting a bit too far.

Come on ! You've played way too defensively during the whole game ! You knew Portugal would finally score in the end... it's not as if you didn't have experiments about it before.

England natural game is offensive and that's how they are nice to watch. Erikson have been stupid to think only about defending the only goal during 80 minutes.

For the Euro, it's clear :
England playing offensively : 2 victories
England playing defensively : 2 losses

Do the English think that Portugal took their penaltys from a different penalty spot????

Do the English think that Portugal took their penaltys from a different penalty spot????

My thoughts exactly.

Exactly, both teams were handicapped..

Not to put down Portugal's victory, but did anyone else notice in the replay of Beckham's penalty that the ball rolled forward a bit just before he shot it?

Do you mean Gary McAllister style! :lol: :mad:

i didnt see it move, but my mam said it did, but she gets very emotional around this time

Well, it's possible that it moved, it was about the worst penalty I've ever seen, and although that might just have been Beckham it doesn't have to...

Do the English think that Portugal took their penaltys from a different penalty spot????

Exactly, England might have gotten a win from the game but the second goal was possibly a correct decision and penalties always come down to luck... I feel England lost because after the 4th minute we practically decided that attacking was a bad idea... Did we learn nothing from the game against France?

Well, it's possible that it moved, it was about the worst penalty I've ever seen, and although that might just have been Beckham it doesn't have to...

It was a crap penalty but then penalties tend to come down to luck in the end... At least it still depends slightly on a player's skill rather than on a flip of a coin...

The worst thing that can happen to England is to score an early goal. They get all defensive, and in the modern game, it is impossible to chase the ball for an hour (against France) or 87 minutes tonight and not concede.

The best thing oddly, is when they need to score goals. They looked the best team in the tournament going forward, hence their being top scorers... I only wish they would attack more.

But you still can't deny that the ref had an absolute shocker in disallowing that goal. However defensively England played, the score at the end of 90 minutes should have been 2-1 to England.

Possibly... I'm sure the goal would have counted if Terry hadn't have been there as well but it probably seemed to the ref that there was two English players against the Portugese goalkeeper...

FIFA could make England & Portugal play again, with that famous Italian referee. :goodjob:
Absolutely :lol:

Ok, maybe Portugal can stay in.. but the guy who fouled Rooney should go! What he did is far worst than Totti spitting.

I watched again and saw more things. Owen recieved a kick to his chest/shoulder/arm (I think it was his shoulder) in the penalty area, and there was a later serious case of obstruction in the penalty area.

Exactly, both teams were handicapped..
Not if one was prepared for it ;)

If Portugal thought they might lose a test of skill, it would be in their advantage to emphasise the luck :p

English people are amazing. They are always bashing Italy because Italians are supposed to not admit the defeat... and when it's their turn, they do even worse.

Trappatoni has taken his responsibility. And I'm sorry to say so but England have played more defensively than Italy in this tournament. I was sad for England tonight, but seriously, I think that English bad spirit is getting a bit too far.

Come on ! You've played way too defensively during the whole game !Correction. Only after Rooney was removed from play and the entire English game-plan binned.

Do you think Beckham can manage to think up a new game plan? :confused:

If you watch the time when Rooney is on the side receiving treatment, you can see that Beckham even passes to where Rooney would have been... ofcourse, there was only a Portugese there but I think it highlights an issue.

Really: Try putting yourself in England's position! What would France do if Thierry Henry was suddenly removed from the game after the team is deployed? :confused:

Not if one was prepared for it ;)

If Portugal thought they might lose a test of skill, it would be in their advantage to emphasise the luck :p
Well, but they won the test of skill, so... ;)

What would France do if Thierry Henry was suddenly removed from the game after the team is deployed? :confused:
I would suppose they'd bring in another striker.

Correction. Only after Rooney was removed from play and the entire English game-plan binned.

Do you think Beckham can manage to think up a new game plan? :confused:

If you watch the time when Rooney is on the side receiving treatment, you can see that Beckham even passes to where Rooney would have been... ofcourse, there was only a Portugese there but I think it highlights an issue.

Really: Try putting yourself in England's position! What would France do if Thierry Henry was suddenly removed from the game after the team is deployed? :confused:

You're a joke. So what if Rooney got injured. You would expect a decent international side to be able to adjust their play if someone got injured. Every other team in the world can do this. The reason England lost is because of their route 1 8-0-2 tatic. Anyone who has seen England play in the last 4 years knows this to be the case. England simply can't pass the ball in midfield. Everytime it gets played over the top and occasionaly Owen and now Rooney get a goal. The so called "world class midfield" is a joke. Gerrard, Becks and Scholes were absolutely terrible the whole tournament!

Also regarding Rooney, do you think England never put in hard challenges on oppostion players. I'd bet Big Wayne would half any of the Portuguese players if he had a chance.

You could maybe blame Errikson for putting on Vassell. Since he was gonna play route 1 he should have stuck on Big Heskey so at least England might have won a few of the punts played up the park!

I think Marla and Dell have it spot on. England looked very dangerous in the games when they were attacking, but, with a 1-0 lead against a team they feared, they become so ridiculously defensive that they handed first the initiative and then the game to the other team.

On one level, Campbell's disallowed goal is a harsh decision. However, given where Terry's arm was, it's clear that giving the keeper the free-kick is consistent with every other decision on a possible foul on the keeper in an international match. I doubt there's an international referee in the world who would have allowed the goal. (Whilst in this area, did anyone see the Czech reserve keeper pushing a German forward out of the way in his rush to get the ball ? A clear foul, but because it was the goalkeeper nothing is given...:))

Still, very tough losing on penalties, and I feel pretty sorry for Beckham as he will be pilloried by many, despite being the one to discover first how dodgy the penalty spot was. (And the ball did move, a la facon de McAllister - very tough indeed).

So, after adopting italian defensive approach when winning did the english also adopted the italian difficulty in accepting defeat? I'm sure you know that there is a rule that says that the goalie can't be obstructed in his area...

Exciting game, where in the end, I think Portugal deserved to come out as winners. Engkland didn't really do much after their first goal, which came after a big mistake from Costinha. The extra time was incredible, because Portugal was full of attackers. I mean, Deco was the one playing as right back (where he was better than at playmaker btw...). And in the end it was the goalkeeper that scored the winning penalty. And what a well kicked penalty. Perhaps Beckham could learn with him. ;)

So, after adopting italian defensive approach when winning did the english also adopted the italian difficulty in accepting defeat? I'm sure you know that there is a rule that says that the goalie can't be obstructed in his area...

Exciting game, where in the end, I think Portugal deserved to come out as winners. Engkland didn't really do much after their first goal, which came after a big mistake from Costinha. The extra time was incredible, because Portugal was full of attackers. I mean, Deco was the one playing as right back (where he was better than at playmaker btw...). And in the end it was the goalkeeper that scored the winning penalty. And what a well kicked penalty. Perhaps Beckham could learn with him. ;)
But you robbed them... :(

Not this again...
The english were not robbed. Portugal deserved to go through.

Not this again...
The english were not robbed. Portugal deserved to go through.

I guess Hitro has his tongue firmly in his cheek for this, and that he meant to click on the wink smiley ( ;) ) which is right next to the one actually included in his mail....

warning - Scotsman's view

Portugal won, fair and square. fair enough I did see the penalty spot and it was SHOCKING, but both teams did play from the same place, and England did practise penalties the morning before the game, does anyone know if Portugal did? cause if they didn't wouldn't that put England at an advantage?

I didn't see the Rooney foul? how bad was it?

Stunning goal by Owen though, what a strike.

Some people in the pub noticed that the ball did move. Didn't see it myself but we did have a chuckle at the comparisson with Gary Mac's penalty in 96.

Don't blame anyone for getting lost, I'm a Scotsman, I know what defeat is like. Penalties are a game of chance, you score or you miss (or in Becham's case you MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISS)

England are severely flawed if they keep relying on Rooney, I'm not taking away the fact that he's a great player, he is, but if a team relies on one player too much then they're in trouble, as England discovered, it is a TEAM game after all.

And for the record, I do like the England team, they're a great bunch of players, what I don't like is how the media goes completely ballistic every game, with praise for the team and stuff, shoving 1966 in everyone's faces every 5 minutes, that just annoys me. They kept saying "England France Final", not anymore guys!!

Portgual deserved to go through, I've said since the beginning that they have a good chance of winning it this year (got a bet on with my bro, he says Czech Rep)

I'm willing to put money on what will be on the front pages of the papers this morning, without looking it will be about the football (despite the fact that the middle east is ripping each other a new one)

So overall, good game to watch, stunning Extra Time, bravo to Portugal coming back and also to England to equalising when the Portugal fans were already celebrating, bad luck England.

As someone once said, "its a funny old game" <CRINGE>

PS- the ball David Becham used landed just outside my house!!!!

Beckham should take the blame, not just for missing another penalty, but for poor performances throughout the tounament. He needs to learn how to stroke the ball into the net not blast it, if he weren't trying to make a hole in the net he would have much better control over where the ball went.

England were too defensive and ultimately paid the price for it, Portugal are a quality side and given that degree of possesion they were bound to score.

Ok, the penalty spot was a disgrace, but it was the same for both teams, so there's no advantage there. I was not impressed by the ref's performance, not just the disallowed goal but many decisions seemed to go in Portugals favour.

I thought England were robbed. It was the disallowed goal that cost them. The goal was a legit as an goal in the tornament. If their was no disallowed goal the Portugal deserved to win, but unfortunately that wasn't the case.

I thought England were robbed. It was the disallowed goal that cost them. The goal was a legit as an goal in the tornament. If their was no disallowed goal the Portugal deserved to win, but unfortunately that wasn't the case.

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And that makes it even better! they got what they deserve .
Superb night last night the party went on until the wee hours of the morning.

At last there out and on penalties as well!, time to sit back and enjoy the rest of the tournament.

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And that makes it even better! they got what they deserve .
Superb night last night the party went on until the wee hours of the morning.

At last they're out and on penalties as well!, time to sit back and enjoy the rest of the tournament.

I prefer the team that should won got thru, not the one with the help of a referee. As an Australian I wasn't to sad to see them go until I saw that horrible referee cost England a deserved victory, BTW I want Denmark to win only because one of ours is now one of their's. I speak the new Princess of Denmark who if you didn't know was born in Tasmania, a small state of Australia that people keep saying that is it looks like you downstairs compartment, for the better term so that the word won't be edited out :) . Just have a look at the map of Australia and you will know want I mean :lol: .
Anyway I don't really care who win's because Australia is not in it so it is not that important to me. I just arbitrarily choose Denmark because I can never barrack for England. It was a happy time when Australia beat England 3-1 in the most recent match at Upton Park. Oh what joy it was. Still the best team should go thru.

Poor old Sol Campbell. That's three crucial international goals that he's had ruled out because of another player's actions. The lesson England need to learn is - when Sol goes up for a corner, everyone else leave the penalty area.

The standard of penalties was appalling - if you practise, why don't you practise putting them in the corner?
Yes, Beckham is at fault - you're only 12 yards out, there's no wall - so stop treating it like a free kick.

Nevertheless, now I can go back to watching games on the BBC :lol: :lol:

Nevertheless, now I can go back to watching games on the BBC :lol: :lol:

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Your so right there !! time to sit back and enjoy the rest of the tournament

what i dont understand is that on Tv they said that the Referee's assistant said it was a goal and he was nearer to the play than the ref was at the time.Also why was'nt Beckham subbed for his awful performance and Dyer to be brought on. well will be back for the world cup in two years.

http://www.oldiesmaisgoodies.com/upload/zouh/beckss.jpg

With all these things adding up, I think Portugal should be disqualified.
England 3 - Switzerland 0
Swiss Ref 1 (disallowed goal) - England Go Home...

Great.

:lol: Rule Britannia...

Do you think Beckham can manage to think up a new game plan? :confused:


That would be Sven's job...

Do you think Beckham can manage to think up a new game plan? :confused:

Do you think Beckham's the manager? :confused:


Exactly, England might have gotten a win from the game but the second goal was possibly a correct decision and penalties always come down to luck... I feel England lost because after the 4th minute we practically decided that attacking was a bad idea... Did we learn nothing from the game against France?

That sounds about right.

I think Marla and Dell have it spot on. England looked very dangerous in the games when they were attacking, but, with a 1-0 lead against a team they feared, they become so ridiculously defensive that they handed first the initiative and then the game to the other team.

On one level, Campbell's disallowed goal is a harsh decision. However, given where Terry's arm was, it's clear that giving the keeper the free-kick is consistent with every other decision on a possible foul on the keeper in an international match. I doubt there's an international referee in the world who would have allowed the goal. (Whilst in this area, did anyone see the Czech reserve keeper pushing a German forward out of the way in his rush to get the ball ? A clear foul, but because it was the goalkeeper nothing is given...:))

Still, very tough losing on penalties, and I feel pretty sorry for Beckham as he will be pilloried by many, despite being the one to discover first how dodgy the penalty spot was. (And the ball did move, a la facon de McAllister - very tough indeed).


Great game, Beckham had a very weak tourney. England defensive posture
after the 1st goal was their downfall :scan: . The game highlights are being
shown here on the hour, which is odd for ESPN until the later games. Very
exciting and dramatic finish :cool: .

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At last there out and on penalties as well!, time to sit back and enjoy the rest of the tournament.

At last there out? i think you take too much pleasure in that, but i suppose i did expect it from you