Time to start discussing this game?

Holland favourites of course. I do believe we have a decent chance though.

I think this one is down to who defends better. Van Nistlerooy and Larrson are both class so it should be interesting.

This is the best chance Holland will have of winning the tournament but with Dick in charge who knows?!

Time to start discussing this game?

Holland favourites of course. I do believe we have a decent chance though.

Well that's the rub, isn't it ? You guys always have a decent chance. As a fairly neutral obsever, it always baffles me how a team can play such attractive soccer yet never cash in on the massive potential your team always seems to have. Watching the Netherlands, I'm always waiting for the other shoe to drop.....


If Holland wins this one, then I bet they also knock out Portugal, but lose to Denmark/Czech. Oranje is so frustrating....


(btw, I will not be paying $20 to watch this match at home :mad: )

@Zamphyr: Panzar75 is talking about Sweden (having a decent chance).

I think that anything can happen. Sweden has a great team and the Dutch aren't as strong as they were in 1998/2000. Some of the older players clearly are over the top. So a bit like Spain and France. Luckily we have a few great young players, like Robben and Schneijder. Our defense is relatively weak and slow though...

@Zamphyr: Panzar75 is talking about Sweden (having a decent chance).


whoops, thanks, shows what a night at the bars does for reading comprehension. :mischief:

Still got to wonder if the Dutch fall to Marla's Theory ;)

If the Dutch defense doesn't make too many mistakes and if the Dutch are able to win the battle on the midfield (or at least don't lose that), The Netherlands will win this game, because their attackers (Van Nistelrooy, Robben, Makaay and some others on the bench) are great.

But NL needs to win the match in the 120 minutes playing time.
In case of shoot-outs we have a very bad reputation.

In percentages, I think The Netherlands have 70% chance to reach the Semi-Finals.

Dick Advocaat proudly anounced that Holland didn't train on penalties again because you can not simulate the tensions of the game. Sigh. Deeper sigh. Holland went out on penalties in the last 3 European championships and it is highly unlikely that they will not face a penalty shoot out this championship (if they don't lose directly that is), either against Sweden, or if they happen to win regularly, against Portugal or in the final. I don't see what is against letting them take 100 penalty shots each in a training :confused:
At least Frank de Boer has said "he will skip his turn" so he's not likely to ever take a penalty for Holland again :goodjob: Van Nistelrooy, van Hooijdonk and Makaay are high on the list. That's two places left, guess who will volunteer...

Van Nistelrooy, van Hooijdonk and Makaay are high on the list. That's two places left, guess who will volunteer...

Yeah. But Makaay and Van Hooijdonk are sitting on the bench and have to be brought in especially for penalties. I don't like the sound of that.

Yeah. But Makaay and Van Hooijdonk are sitting on the bench and have to be brought in especially for penalties. I don't like the sound of that.
Advocaat is willing to bring them on: http://teletekst.nos.nl/gif/821-01.html (link in Dutch).

Yeah. But Makaay and Van Hooijdonk are sitting on the bench and have to be brought in especially for penalties. I don't like the sound of that.

Indeed, that's asking for trouble...
Let's hope the Dutch have decided the game in regular time.

They didn't train them either in any of the 4 times the dutch went out on penalty shoot outs since 1992, while other teams did. Do you see a pattern?...

They didn't train them either in any of the 4 times the dutch went out on penalty shoot outs since 1992, while other teams did. Do you see a pattern?...

Yes. The 16 million other coaches of Holland see that pattern :(

Have they practiced penalties this time?

Dell19, of course not. The Dutch think that they should decide the match in 120 minutes. :rolleyes:

Nice to see how teams can learn from previous performances...

@Zamphyr: Yeah, maybe I was unclear.
Though since it says "Sweden" just below my name I thought it was obvious which team was "mine". :)

@AVN: I'll take that 30% chance. We managed to draw both England and Argentina last world cup so it's not impossible.

And we don't mind penalties... ;)

The only chance the Swedes have is if it turns out that the Dutch defense is really shaky.
That or playing really disciplined, defensive, boring and destructive football and winning on penalties.;)

The Swedish defense line-up is shaky with no good options for the positione either right and left. Defensively it might work, but withou Edman coming on the left wing feeding balls to the forwards (and Ljungberg) Sweden looses a lot of the offensive potential there.

Lindroth is back as the defensive mid-fielder, which is good, but doesn't solve the problem of finding an offensive playmaker. Anders Svensson was good in the WC 2002, but hasen't done well this time. Källström should be able to do it, but was pale against aginst Denmark. Chances are that the Dutch run all over the Swedish mid-field.

If that happens it means that Ljungberg will spend most of his time trying to get hold of the ball.
And that Zlatan and Larsson will either be left high and dry at the other end of the field while the Dutch pin-down the Swedish defense, or the also move down into the field to go hunting for the ball. In either case the Swedish offensive is in trouble.

All the same, the Swedish 11 is a hard team to beat, and the more accomplished their opponents are, the harder to beat they often become. A tied game and penalties is very likely.

Dutch pressing, Swedes looking for the counter atm.

Not a good match by any standards up to now.

Teatime, what's the difference.

:sleep: Boooring :sleep: ( 0-0 )

Yeah, you're right. A boring match so far. And the stadium doesn't exactly provide for a great atmosphere either.

You can say that again ! I had to forcibly remind myself that I was supposed to care :/.

The Dutch not as yet good enough to break down the Swedish defenses - frequent switching of Robben & Vd Meyde leading to 1 shot on goal and no crosses whatsoever, Swedish just play route 1 but then their record wrt penalties is excellent.

For excitement, this match really needs a Dutch goal. The Dutch will try (albeit halfheartedly) anyway, the Swedes simply need a little more coercion.

V.d Meyde and Davids should be taken off for Overmars and Schneijder!

Looks quite well this far for Sweden, nothing really dangerous. Östlund have managed better than Nilsson in the defense, so if we win, our defense problems might not be as big.
Anyone noticed the red and yellow "HOFTERUP" flag? That's where I live, population is only a couple of thousands. Cool that we have one of largest flags on the whole stadium. :D

It's very hot in Faro. This could explain the slow pace of the game.

0-0 would help my dreamteam score...

Nonsense yellow card for Van der Meyde - there was no intention whatsoever there.

15 minutes in the 2nd half. The Dutch started OK but they are now letting the initiative to Sweden :(

EDIT: Davids out...ok, but why Heitinga????????

V Nistelrooy misses for open goal :(

Strange move by Dickie exchanging Davids for Heitinga

V Bronckhorst moves to midfield... That's ok-ish I guess.

Stam almost 1-0!

Did anybody see Stapel in the stadium yet? He's supposed to be there.

VD Meijde finally out...for Makaay. The match is terrible to watch. Only thing keeping it bearable is the suspense for Sweden and Holland.

Come on Holland, make a decent corner, please!

Extension.

0-0 after 90 minutes.

So close for a goal!

Robben against the post after mistake of the Swedish keeper!

EDIT: Seedorf almost from a free kick. 12 minutes to go!!

10 more minutes, how boooooring

Now Sweden hit to post!!

EDIT: And now for the 2nd time :eek:

Penalties :(

Oh no, penalties.

Oh God, penalties !

I would say we deserved to win, but not by much. Just not good enough to force the break.

I disagree, they should have made a better effort in the first half wich they played far too slow and uninspired.

Come om Sar!

2-2, that's more than ever before.

Cocu, no, no, no.

Well Holland were winning...

Still alive, 4-4.

Holland win a penalty shoot out!

Yes. Yes, Yes, Yes!

we are healed, healed from our trauma [party]

Yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YEAH ! WE WON!!!!!

Yep Holland through.
Just the luck of the shootout however, which i don't like. So many chances from both teams, neither deserved to go out.

Lungberg hitting the post, Larsson the bar, Robben the post, Van Nistlerooy just wide. In the end Holland win it, but you have to feel for Sweden.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's not fair, it's not EDIT fair!!!

Hmm, this seems to be a different Holland. No more good football but also no more bad luck. I guess they'll win it now.

We had the best chances...best chances...why? WHY? EDIT WHY???

Yep Holland through.
Just the luck of the shootout however, which i don't like.

Yeah. But shootouts have nothing to do with luck! We should know that of all countries.

I can't judge about the game. I have the feeling that Holland was better, but that may be because of my orange glasses.

Hmm, this seems to be a different Holland. No more good football but also no more bad luck. I guess they'll win it now.

Comparing Holland with Germany is a plain insult at this stage Hitro! ;)

I guess it was deserved in the end. Sweden hit the post twice, but I think that van Nistelrooy's goal was not off side, and that might have been a penalty near the end, not sure. And this year will be historic for dutch football, the year they won a penalty shoot out. And without training them either, which might make of Advocaat a genious now. ;)

I personally think there was nothing between the sides, as an impartial observer. Both had excellent chances. Both had excellent players.

Penalty shootouts nothing to do with luck. What are you smoking? :p
Yes some of it is practice and a cool head, although the practice is probably forgotten in an atmosphere like there was.

But luck is a major factor. Most keepers will just dive one way and hope to get it right. It is just luck that Van Der Sar went the way he did to save Mellberg's penalty. He could have just as easily hurled himself the other way.
As it also luck that the penalty shootout wasn't finished earlier, as Lungberg's penalty was the most fluky i have ever seen..

Comparing Holland with Germany is a plain insult at this stage Hitro! ;)It always is.

Who'd imagined that, Holland through on penalties.

There is fireworks outside right now.

Yep Holland through.
Just the luck of the shootout however, which i don't like. So many chances from both teams, neither deserved to go out.

Lungberg hitting the post, Larsson the bar, Robben the post, Van Nistlerooy just wide. In the end Holland win it, but you have to feel for Sweden.

Are you EDIT kidding ? There was only one team trying to attack all game long, and that was Holland. Swedes lucked into a few chances, but never even remotely TRIED to win the game.

Only reason I'm thankful to Sweden is they allowed us to win a shootout at long last, and I'm very happy the Dutch players showed they could do it at last. Van Nistelrooy ! Makaay ! Reiziger ! Heitinga ! Robben !

Heroes for the ages - never again will we be scared of a shootout, and Portugal better watch out, cos we're going to kick the crap out of them !

Are you EDIT kidding ? There was only one team trying to attack all game long, and that was Holland. Swedes lucked into a few chances, but never even remotely TRIED to win the game.


You're kidding me, right? Sweden had the best chances and overall were better than EDIT HOLLAND!!! :mad:

I guess it was deserved in the end. Sweden hit the post twice, but I think that van Nistelrooy's goal was not off side, and that might have been a penalty near the end, not sure. And this year will be historic for dutch football, the year they won a penalty shoot out. And without training them either, which might make of Advocaat a genious now. ;)

You're right - from the replay, it looked like Van Nistlerooy was on the same line as the last defender and not offside. Can't blame the linesman for flagging the offside though -always hard to spot that.

You're right - from the replay, it looked like Van Nistlerooy was on the same line as the last defender and not offside. Can't blame the linesman for flagging the offside though -always hard to spot that.

Clearly off-side!!!

Aaah, now i am seeing the symptoms i have had after various England games :D
In my opinion, the sides were evenly matched. You are of course entitled to your opinion.

You're kidding me, right? Sweden had the best chances and overall were better than EDIT HOLLAND!!! :mad:

Are you sure you watched the same match I did ? ;)

You're kidding me, right? Sweden had the best chances and overall were better than EDIT HOLLAND!!! :mad:

I disagree. I also disagree that Holland was far better. Both had shots on the post. It could have gone either way.

Wat een kutpartij! Wat geweldig! *
* What a horrible game! How great!

The Dutch go Italian!!! How did they pull this off? After a horrible yawnfest (courtesy Jack Merchant) winning after PENALTIES????

A whole country (including its expatriates ;) ) sure to lose after 120 minutes, but win?? Van der Sar actually a heroe stopping a penalty :eek: :eek: :eek:

Ik sta voor de ruines van mijn wereldbeeld * (courtesy J.H. Donner).

* I am standing in front of the ruins of my image of the world.

Besides, even if Holland were lame for most of the match, I find it hard to support Sweden instead. Their football is too "robotic".

It *could* have gone either way, but as far as *deserving to win* goes, there was only one team. Zlatan, Larsson and Ljungberg were invisible for 99% of the game as the Dutch tried to find their way through the Swedish defenses. Mostly they didn't succeed, but I'm inclined to think the one team *trying* to win *deserves* the win.

Besides, even if Holland were lame for most of the match, I find it hard to support Sweden instead. Their football is too "robotic".

And Sweden would have been more difficult to beat ;) I expect an open attacking game between Portugal and Holland :D

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Ik sta voor de ruines van mijn wereldbeeld * (courtesy J.H. Donner).

* I am standing in front of the ruins of my image of the world.

Quoting Homer already raised you in my estimation, but quoting the great J.H. Donner too ? You deserve a statue my friend :goodjob:.

I fell asleep.

Aggie seems to have been un-affected by her Orange glasses. Sir Len Taft (yellow glasses) and Jack appear to have succumbed to them however. I know it has happened to be many times.

It *could* have gone either way, but as far as *deserving to win* goes, there was only one team. Zlatan, Larsson and Ljungberg were invisible for 99% of the game as the Dutch tried to find their way through the Swedish defenses. Mostly they didn't succeed, but I'm inclined to think the one team *trying* to win *deserves* the win.
The Swedish team adapted their game to their limitations. It almost worked too.
Part of the trick of doing well, is knowing your limitations. Sweden winning its group was a bit ridiculous anyway, but symptomatic of this. Forget victory. Go for survival. Makes the Swedish team hard to beat. But if your glasses aren't a rich, golden yellow and a deep azure blue, it's going to be excruciating to watch. Just don't imagine the Swedes to give a rat's arse about that.;)

Well, we don't have the star team that Holland does and I think we had enough chances that saying we didn't try to win is unwarrented.

I didn't fall asleep, I was on the brink of a heart attack most of the time. Guess it's different when it's your team that is playing.

Congratulations to Holland. While I feel a little disappointed now I think we did okay this tournament. Going further than England and Germany is nothing to be ashamed of.

Quoting Homer already raised you in my estimation, but quoting the great J.H. Donner too ? You deserve a statue my friend :goodjob:.
I am happy to hear others appreciate the shoulders of giants we are all standing on. I'll consult my extensive library for a nice quote for after the Portugal match :D. Dante's purgatory already comes to mind ;), but as today's game showed, I cannot look into the future.

Aggie seems to have been un-affected by her Orange glasses. Sir Len Taft (yellow glasses) and Jack appear to have succumbed to them however. I know it has happened to be many times.

Hey, I never said it was a great or exciting match ! However, in my opinion it is inarguable that the Dutch deserved to win, if only because they tried. The Swedes, on the other hand, showed no initiative whatsoever, even though in the end they got a couple of big chances (given the quality of the Dutch defense, inevitable).

The reason I'm more optimistic about the match vs the Portuguese is they won't try and choke off the play like the Swedes did, which will allow us more space and as such, to highlight the one area of the pitch where we have a clear advantage over the Ports: the strikers.

By the way, I must say that like Panzar75 I did suffer from a few near-heart attacks along the way - it just goes with the territory of really supporting a team. Closest I can think of in my supporting experience must be the Dutch match vs Brazil in '98 -a tactical chessgame- or FC Twente's epic shootout win over PSV in the Amstel Cup 2001 (with Twente on the verge of losing for 120 minutes and 3 penalties).

By the way: I feel sorry for Zlatan (he is forward of my team Ajax)...

I'm starting to think why the UEFA actually bothered with putting group B and C in. Was it only for commercial reasons :rolleyes:? Of course Denmark might prove me wrong, but it looks like coming down to a group A - group D showdown :D.

Wow, we won on penalty kicks. Maybe I should have taped that :p

By the way: I feel sorry for Zlatan (he is forward of my team Ajax)...
Oh, don't worry he'll be sold to some silly southern European club owner, Inter Milan or another similar club where formerly good players vanish into oblivion.

WOOHOOO!!!!! [party] :beer: [party] :worship: :band: :thanx: :smoke: :eek:

I still can't believe what happened!!! :eek: :goodjob:

Why can't I use more smilies!

Comparing Holland with Germany is a plain insult at this stage Hitro! ;)
You have to face that you have become what you always feared and hated. Dull and lucky... ;)

I fell asleep.
I didn't, but admittedly for a neutral spectator it must have been even worse then France's hickup against Greece.

You have to face that you have become what you always feared and hated. Dull and lucky... ;)

Ouch. That hurt ;)

You have to face that you have become what you always feared and hated. Dull and lucky... ;)

The horror, the horror..............


:lol:

I fell asleep.

Me too! :goodjob:..and a very nice nap BTW..

From my red point of view:

Holland got most of their chances after doubtful decisions from the referee, like when Linderoth made a correct tackle, when Robben dived after getting tapped on the shoulder or when three men were offside. Otherwise did the Dutch, just like the French yesterday, have too little movement when someone else had the ball and did therefore make it easy for the Swedes to defend themself. Van Nistlerooy was offside btw. His upper body, which is where the referees looks, was slightly pass the last Swedish defender.

Sweden on the other hand had a lot of good movement without the ball (Ljungberg has been brilliant at this through the whole tournament - they said he would miss the French from Arsenal, but it was the French who missed him) and they was just unlucky that none of the opportunities did end with a goal. Zlatan could very well have gotten a penalty shot when Stam stepped into his way as well, but it seemed like this referee, just the Swiss one, favoured the team with most supporters in the arena.

From my red point of view:

Holland got most of their chances after doubtful decisions from the referee, like when Linderoth was made a correct tackle, when Robben dived after getting tapped on the shoulder or when three men were offside. Otherwise did the Dutch, just like the French yesterday, have to little movement when someone else have the ball and did therefore make it easy for the Swedes to defend themself. Van Nistlerooy was offside btw. His upper body, which is where the referees looks, was slightly pass the last Swedish defender.

Sweden on the other hand had a lot of good movement without the ball (Ljungberg has been brilliant at this through the whole tournament - they said he would miss the French from Arsenal, but it were the French who missed him) and they was just unlucky that none of the opportunities didn't end with a goal. Zlatan could very well have gotten a penalty shot when Stam stepped into his way as well, but it seemed like this referee, just the Swiss one, favoured the team with most supporters in the arena.
Are you a Swede acting like a Brit, or did we see another game?

From my red point of view:


More proof that it's the wrong point of view :p.

By the way, can anyone tell me who the Dutch hero was, talking Seedorf out of taking a penalty? Maybe it was the professor himself?

I think that he was wise enough to refuse himself! He played a very decent match by the way. And Davids sucked big time.

I think that he was wise enough to refuse himself! He played a very decent match by the way. And Davids sucked big time.
Seedorf indeed played a decent match. Davids was not brilliant, but tactically I did not understand the change with Heitinga. Did Frank Snoeks (or whoever the NOS have nowadays ;)) have a reasonable explanation for that? Holland with 5 defenders or supposedly one moved to midfield or something. I didn't see who that was and Spanish commentators were a bit lost (and bored) as well.

@ Lenin: Is that the official position of the Politburo?

Seedorf indeed played a decent match. Davids was not brilliant, but tactically I did not understand the change with Heitinga. Did Frank Snoeks (or whoever the NOS have nowadays ;)) have a reasonable explanation for that? Holland with 5 defenders or supposedly one moved to midfield or something. I didn't see who that was and Spanish commentators were a bit lost (and bored) as well.

V Bronckhorst moved to midfield. I would have liked Schneijder instead of Davids...

@ El Sop: From my point of view, I think his intentions were play with 3 defenders and advance Reiziger and Van Bronckhorst, who were not supporting the attack at all.

V Bronckhorst moved to midfield. I would have liked Schneijder instead of Davids...
Although I was very happy with Heitinga's penalty kick :goodjob:, indeed Sneijder or van der Vaart would have been more logical, I think.

MCDread is completely correct about the change.

Wooohooo, this is a turningpoint for Dutch football!!

Winning on penalty's wasn't luck. It was mental power, finally our team believed that they could win. And they did break the spell because they believed in themselves.

With this attitude I have the fealing we can win this tournament.

Advance Reiziger :eek:?? Did he ever before play on midfield?

By the way, it's always very funny to listen to Spanish commentators when van Bronckhorst has the ball. Every time they say something different, but "Ban Bo'o" is the most common :lol:

Unfortunately I'm afraid Portugal will be likely to win against Holland in the semi-finals, but the orange fever will be incredible (as always) in the next couple of days!

Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
we zijn door!

Yes, we're through!

Let's just hope we won't need another penalty shootout against Portugal, I don't want another heart-attack! ;)

Advance Reiziger :eek:?? Did he ever before play on midfield?


IIRC he started out as an attacker, looong ago... I wouldn't have figured it, but his penalty was excellent too.

IIRC he started out as an attacker, looong ago... I wouldn't have figured it, but his penalty was excellent too.
You might be right, I think he was a dangerous attacker in FC Groningen-terms :lol:. I also thought he would seemlessly take over Seedorf role in the penalty shoot out, but he took it flawlessly :goodjob:.

It was a close game. I didn't watch it until the repeat at 1am, and thought it could just as easilly have been 3-3.

I was supporting Sweden btw :cry:

The crowd's flags clearly displayed supporters from Nederland, Sverige, England, Scotland, Wales... practically every match in this tournament has had British supporters :dubious:

Maybe they live in the stadiums?

I actually changed channels when the penalty series began. I was convinced that Holland would lose. I changed back a few minutes later and just in time to see Van der Sar save that last Sweden penalty. After Robben all hell broke lose here...
The noise only stopped somewhere between 1 and 1.30 a.m. :D

The noise only stopped somewhere between 1 and 1.30 a.m. :D

Pff... and on a weekend. Over here it was Thursday and only stopped when the sun was rising. It's because of this difference in comitement that we're gonna win next Wednesday. :p

I was actually amazed about that (the noise Zwelgje refers to). It's not like we haven't reached a semi final before! Must have been the succesful penalty shoot-out.

Pff... and on a weekend. Over here it was Thursday and only stopped when the sun was rising. It's because of this difference in comitement that we're gonna win next Wednesday. :p

When does the sun actually come up in Portugal?

This is really amazing, we're through on penalties! Reaching the semis must be some sort of personal revenge of Advocaat on the press. Heh.
btw, bringing in Heitinga for Davids was also because Heitinga could take the penalty. And now Bouma could play as a wingback, where he's better. Davids was losing a lot of possession as well, though he completely compensated that (as usual) with interceptions.

btw, Beam and Aggie, you're a bunch of dirty spammers ;)

Pff... and on a weekend. Over here it was Thursday and only stopped when the sun was rising. It's because of this difference in comitement that we're gonna win next Wednesday. :p
Luckily the players are the ones that will make the difference at the end of the day and not idiots driving around in their car! :p
It also says a lot about the sense of realism of the supporters, it's only reaching the semi-finals, it's not that they won the cup already... :p :p :p
Heh. :D

I was actually amazed about that (the noise Zwelgje refers to). It's not like we haven't reached a semi final before! Must have been the succesful penalty shoot-out.
I was quite relieved as well. Still didn't go out onto the street though. ;)

Luckily the players are the ones that will make the difference at the end of the day and not idiots driving around in their car! :p
It also says a lot about the sense of realism of the supporters, it's only reaching the semi-finals, it's not that they won the cup already... :p :p :p
Heh. :D
According to the news the situation in NL wasn't much different yesterday... :mischief:

Luckily the players are the ones that will make the difference at the end of the day and not idiots driving around in their car! :p

If both teams are equivalent, it may very well be idiots like those, driving around following the team bus, and watching the trainings that make the difference in the teams' confidence. If it wasn't for idiots like those I don't think we'd have pulled it after the Greece game.


It also says a lot about the sense of realism of the supporters, it's only reaching the semi-finals, it's not that they won the cup already... :p :p :p
Heh. :D

Hey, everything's a good excuse for a party. You never know if you'll get another one.