I can't believe this match hasn't got a thread yet! :eek:


TEAM NEWS
Portugal boss Luiz Felipe Scolari has no injury worries with Jorge Andrade and Nuno Gomes recovering well from ankle knocks sustained against England.

Gomes could be dropped as Pauleta is available after suspension but Luis Figo should start, despite storming off after his substitution on Thursday.

Dutch defender Frank De Boer is ruled out with damaged ankle ligaments and would miss the final if they made it.

Wilfred Bouma is set to return to partner Jaap Stam in central defence.

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Portugal team (probable): Ricardo, Valente, Miguel, Carvalho, Andrade, Costinha, Maniche, Deco, Figo, Ronaldo, Pauleta.

Holland team (probable): Van der Sar, Reiziger, Van Bronckhorst, Stam, Bouma, Cocu, Davids, Seedorf, Robben, Van der Meyde, Van Nistelrooy.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/euro_2004/3844465.stm

I hope one of these teams wins the cup. I'm going to cheer for Portugal.

I'm not so optimistic for this match for the following reasons :

1) Our coach, I don't think that needs further explanation.
2) Our defense which makes quite often critical mistakes.
3) Our midfield which hasn't been able to win the battle of the middlefield in the matches against Germany, Czechia and most disappointing Sweden.
4) The home advantage of Portugal
5) The two additional days of rest Portugal has had.

I don't think there are many compensation factors and therefore I'm quite pessimistic about the chances for the Dutch team. I guess they have a chance of 10% to reach the finals.

Furthermore, almost everyone else in the Netherlands thinks we will become the European champions, there exists a lot of overconfidence and when that happens (and it has happened quite a number of times in the past) the usual result is that we get screwed in one or another way.

Of course I hope The Netherlands win, and that I will be proved wrong.

There probably wasn't a thread since the game isn't till tomorrow although we do have quite a few Dutch posters who might watch the game...

There probably wasn't a thread since the game isn't till tomorrow although we do have quite a few Dutch posters who might watch the game...

Who won't watch the game?!

It's the Euro semi-final! :D

I don't think that vd Meyde will play. The dutch media expects Overmars there, and rightly so :) I give the Dutch 30% chance of winning this one. AVN pretty much explained why.

I can't believe this match hasn't got a thread yet! :eek:

Maybe everbody needed a break after all that overdose of footy. :mischief:

edit: BTW, I didn't think they would make it through the first round either, so who knows what else may happen... and I lost my stakes already so I don't mind! :D

Oh yeah, the nice play: Overmars on the left for 60 minutes, then replacing him with Makaay.
I didn't expect the Netherlands to get this far. And I expected Portugal to play better. Nevertheless, I think the game could be pretty even. Especially if Figo plays :D

Oh yeah, the nice play: Overmars on the left for 60 minutes, then replacing him with Makaay.

Do you expect such intelligent and wise decisions from our coach (Advocaat) ?

BTW : This thread is no fun till now. I like to receive some input from Portuguese posters too. Then we get some discussion.

I have posted an almost similar initial post in another OT games forum and there the Portuguese told me that I was too pessimistec (with reasons). That's fun :)

Well, I'm not sure as most people that this is going to be such a great game. On paper both teams play a similar formation and more less the same way, and sometimes that means that both teams become mutually tied.

But on the other hand, both teams have also some interesting differences. Portugal has a good defence, and that's the weakest point in the dutch team, and where Portugal has more problems (striker position), Holland has plenty of solutions. Both teams play a lot through the wings, but Portugal has perhaps better full backs. However, in the recent friendly between both teams (1-1 in Rotterdam), Overmars completely won his duel with Miguel. So, assuming that Holland will have Davids, Cocu and Seedorf in midfield, while Portugal will play with Costinha, Maniche and Deco, I'd say the winners of this midfield battle will have half the job done. Portugal's trio looks more offensive. Holland's has more experience, but Portugal sems perhaps fitter. We'll see though if the coaches have a joker to play.

I'd say Portugal, playing at home and all, is perhaps slightly favour, but not by that much.

Who won't watch the game?!

It's the Euro semi-final! :D

I was just pointing out that the Dutch and Portugese CFC posters had more reason to start the thread earlier... I'm sure I will end up watching it.

Well, we Dutch are far more in number..:p Has nothing to do with it... just wanted to point it out.

Then, Meyde will not play. Advocaat isn't that crazy. He'll let Overmars start, and depending on how the game goes, he will bring in either Makaay (maybe a different striker) or Meyde.

Second, I don't think Bouma should play. The guy is good enough in defense, but his capabilities on the ball seem gone this Euro. He's just to afraid or something, I don't know. Put Heitinga there, he's got the nicest long ball and knows the number 4 position a little. He's not left-footed, but that doesn't need to be a problem.

Then, for God sake, be alert. That Portuguese midfield will at least have one player in a free role, maybe even more... if you don't keep your eyes open (that's YOU Cocu, Davids and even Seedorf) it can go wrong..

Well, I should be neutral, but once in a lifetime...

Hup Holland Hup! :D

I'd like Portugal to win because I like that country, and because of "latin solidarity" :D

For Portugal, this is the end of an awesome generation. It's their last chance to get a major title !!

Holland will win. Right now, I am among the Orange legion, claiming Lisboa as a Dutch city.

Man, I am excited, thrilled and nervous.

Did I already say I will will be in the Jose Alvalade stadium tonight ;) ?

Ahhh! Be sure to yell loud enough for all us! May the force be with you... ;)

@Stapel: And practice the following sentences: :D

>Mantenha suas mãos do caralho de meu toeter de Heineken! (Blijf met je poten van mijn Heineken toeter af!) (Keep your filthy hands of my Heineken toeter!)

>Agora vai frouxamente! (Jetzt geht's loss!) (Now things get going!)

>Figo! Figo! Quem a foda é Figo? (Figo! Figo! Who the **** is Figo?) (idem)

>It's quiet no outro lado! (Het is stil aan de overkant!) (It's quiet on the other side!)

>Dez dez dez! (Tien tien tien!) (Ten ten ten!)

>Portugal infeliz tudo sobre, tudo sobre, tudo sobre. (Schade Portugal alles ist vorbei, alles ist vorbei, alles ist vorbei.) (Too bad Portugal, all is over, all is over, all is over!)

>Eu disse-o que Holland não faltará nenhuma penalidade. (Ik zei toch dat Holland geen penalty zou missen.) (I told you Holland wouldn't miss a penalty.)

>É você certo que você don't quer qualquer coisa na troca para seu
>bilhete para o fósforo final? (Weet je zeker dat je niets voor je kaartje voor de finale wilt hebben?) (Are you sure you don't want anything for your ticket for the final?)

@Stapel: And practice the following sentences: :D

>Mantenha suas mãos do caralho de meu toeter de Heineken! (Blijf met je poten van mijn Heineken toeter af!) (Keep your filthy hands of my Heineken toeter!)

>Agora vai frouxamente! (Jetzt geht's loss!) (Now things get going!)

>Figo! Figo! Quem a foda é Figo? (Figo! Figo! Who the **** is Figo?) (idem)

>It's quiet no outro lado! (Het is stil aan de overkant!) (It's quiet on the other side!)

>Dez dez dez! (Tien tien tien!) (Ten ten ten!)

>Portugal infeliz tudo sobre, tudo sobre, tudo sobre. (Schade Portugal alles ist vorbei, alles ist vorbei, alles ist vorbei.) (Too bad Portugal, all is over, all is over, all is over!)

>Eu disse-o que Holland não faltará nenhuma penalidade. (Ik zei toch dat Holland geen penalty zou missen.) (I told you Holland wouldn't miss a penalty.)

>É você certo que você don't quer qualquer coisa na troca para seu
>bilhete para o fósforo final? (Weet je zeker dat je niets voor je kaartje voor de finale wilt hebben?) (Are you sure you don't want anything for your ticket for the final?)

:lol:
I can see that the last one is english and I can only imagine that the second one is dutch, but in what language are the first sentences written? I can't identify it.

Anyway, we've only lost once against Holland in football history and our club record against dutch clubs is also very good. Let's keep it that way! PORTUGAL! PORTUGAL! PORTUGAL!

I think Portugal is going to win, but i hope that the Dutch win!

:lol:
I can see that the last one is english and I can only imagine that the second one is dutch, but in what language are the first sentences written? I can't identify it.
I guess it's some kind of Portuguese written by a Dutchman who spent a week in the Algarve five years ago and now thinks he knows the language ;).


Anyway, we've only lost once against Holland in football history and our club record against dutch clubs is also very good. Let's keep it that way! PORTUGAL! PORTUGAL! PORTUGAL!
It's true that Portugal is a kind of "Angstgegner" for the Dutch, but this time all pressure is on the Portuguese. Holland has already done better than many expected and I think Holland will benefit from being the relative underdog in this game.

El Sop is right. As soon as the Portuguese start thinking that they absolutely must win this game, that they are the better side and have all the advantage of playing home etc., they are toast.

On the other hand, they already made this mistake agaisnt Greece and won't want to make it again ;)

We are humans, we are made to repeat are own mistakes..:scan:

Hope it will be a great game, can't decide which side I am, I had great times in both countries.

Holland will win. Right now, I am among the Orange legion, claiming Lisboa as a Dutch city.

Man, I am excited, thrilled and nervous.

Did I already say I will will be in the Jose Alvalade stadium tonight ;) ?

Don't worry folks, all is well now! I went to meet Stapel and I think he's less delusioned now. I think he already realised that Portugal is gonna win tonight. ;)

VAMOS A ELES MALTA!!! VAMOS BEBER SUMO DE LARANJA HOJE AO JANTAR!!!

FORÇA PORTUGAL !!

Heroica e lusitana gente vamos em frente mas combictamente,

Vá lá cambada infantes desportistas, homens de conquistas, povo que és o meu
bola redonda e onze jogadores em frente sem temores que as tácticas dou eu
Tragam as gaitas, as bandeiras e a pumada, vamos dar-lhes uma abada, ensinar-lhes o que é bom
vamos mostrar a esses carafunchosos, por momentos gloriosos, quem é a nossa selecção

Bamos lá cambada, todos à molhada que isto é futebol total
Deixem-se de tretas, força nas canetas que o maior é Portugal

Bamos lá cambada, todos à molhada que isto é futebol total
Deixem-se de tretas, força nas canetas que o maior é Portugal

É atacar agora e defender para fora, uns são toscos e nem dão para a aqueçer
Suar a camisola e até jogar sem bola e disfarçar para o árbitro não ver

No intervalo, solteiros contra casados, fandangos, chumgas e fados para aprenderem como é
durante o jogo, qualquer caso lá surgido só pode ser resolvido à cabeçada e ao pontapé

Bamos lá cambada, todos à molhada que isto é futebol total
Deixem-se de tretas, força nas canetas que o maior é Portugal

Bamos lá cambada, todos à molhada que isto é futebol total
Deixem-se de tretas, força nas canetas que o maior é Portugal

Os portugueses já provaram muitas vezes saber ser uns bons freguezes das grandes ocasiões
nesta jornada, nem que seja à pantufada, nós estaremos na bancada muito mais de dez milhões

Força Portugueses !
Viva Portugal, Portugal, Portugal
Viva Portugal, Portugal, Portugal...

Bamos lá cambada, todos à molhada que isto é futebol total
Deixem-se de tretas, força nas canetas que o maior é Portugal

Bamos lá cambada, todos à molhada que isto é efectibamente futebol total
Temos de ter muita coragem, muita força, pensem nos vossos antepassados có nada, muito orgulho, muita vivacidade
E vai.. e um, dois, e um, dois...
E vai lá... e cruza... e é golo, e é GOLOOOOOO

Bamos lá cambada, todos á molhada que isto é futebol total
Deixem-se de tretas, força nas canetas que o maior é Portugal

Portugal finally came alive tonight !
This is the first time i have been convinced they can win this tournament. Ronaldo excellent as usual, Von Bronkhurst is a poor defender (good attacker though).
Figo against the post! Brilliant. Figo's cross that Ronaldo couldn't quite reach? Brilliant. Pauleta's snap shot? Brilliant.

Holland have been disappointing..

Could someone give a score and game analysis for us lurkers? :confused:

:scan: :D :cool:

Holland have as usually (for this tournament) luck and the ref not exactly against them.

It could have been a red card for Overmars and the second goal within one minute.

I surely hope Portugal wins now, though I would not all say the Dutch are finished.

Big Difference: Portugal's players are INSPIRED today..

1-0 for Portugal through a Cristiano Ronaldo header from a corner.

The game is tense rather than great, but the Portuguese lead is by and large deserved - they had the better chances so far.

Speaking as a Dutchman though, I'm still hopeful, though not optimistic. But as long as we are only the one goal down, just one moment of inspiration can bring us back in it.

Oranje-fans in the stadium are strangely quiet though.

Could someone give a score and game analysis for us lurkers? :confused:

:scan: :D :cool:
Score is 1-0 for Portugal, goal scored by Ronaldo after a corner kick. Portugal is better in all regards, Holland is weak in the defense and hardly existent in the attack. Portugal had several more clear chances to score, it should already be 2-0 or more.
The second half may of course be different, but if it continues like this Portugal will deserve a clear victory.

:thanx: Hitro and jack. Please keep the info. coming ;) :scan: .

Do you really think so? I'm not very convinced by our performance tonight, we're defending too much at back and there are too much big spaces between the sectors. We have to improve that, otherwise things won't be easy.
Anyway, we can do it! Força Portugal!

:thanx: Hitro and jack. Please keep the info. coming ;) :scan: .

I won't be posting during the match though ! :cool:

Makaay is already warming up - maybe the 'phantom' can save us ?

Scratch that, Makaay's already on the pitch instead of Overmars now.

Portugal, be afraid. Be very afraid :scan:

Portugal keep missing chances to make it 2-0. They may regret that.

Sounds like Portugal is all over them :scan: .

Perhaps not

2-0

2 - 1 now. Own goal by Andraade..

2 - 1 now. Own goal by Andraade..

How did that happen? :scan:

A ball was crossed in and the defender had to make contact or the dutch player (Van Nistlerooy) would have most probably scored. He had to stretch very far to get it, and the ball hit the tip of his toe and went over the goalkeeper's head..

Portugal GO through! Nice match.

Well Portugal deserved to go through as it took Holland until the own goal to actually begin to play...

The biggest mistake had to be showing a replay of how the corner was won as the second goal went in, with it coming back just in time to see the ball hit the back of the net...

Strong performance by Portugal overall. The Dutch however showed once again that the spirit of former days seems to be gone, for whatever reason. I hope they'll choose a new coach now.

Portugal in the final, well, let's see who they'll play against. I think the Czechs would be the easier opponent for them.

Come on lads win the final.

Btw dont you think Ricardo is the funniest keepers in this game? can we have him ? he deserves to be on our crappy team(Scotland) hes such a fool :D

The biggest mistake had to be showing a replay of how the corner was won as the second goal went in, with it coming back just in time to see the ball hit the back of the net...
Yeah, that was an awful bit of directing...

And so it ends 2-1 :cry:

A deserved win for the Portuguese, though the Dutch gave a much better account of themselves in the second half than in the first (which isn't saying much really). Dutch ended up playing with three out-and-out strikers but few, if any, chances were created for them. The ref ended up calling most decisions for Portugal but his role was in no way decisive for the loss.

I nevertheless thought Portugal weren't all that convincing - they allowed themselves to be pushed back too much later in the match and they don't have a decent striker - if the Portuguese had had Makaay or Van Nistelrooy I suspect they'd have won 4 or 5-1. Not that they'll care right now I guess :(.

Come on lads win the final.

Btw dont you think Ricardo is the funniest keepers in this game? can we have him ? he deserves to be on our crappy team(Scotland) hes such a fool :D

He's certainly one fine actor :mad:.

He's certainly one fine actor :mad:.
:lol:

It's really weird that the Portuguese can't defend a single lead without resorting to such acting. :D

Portugal in the final, well, let's see who they'll play against. I think the Czechs would be the easier opponent for them.

Perhaps although they did play poorly in the first game against Greece so in a second game they might be more ready and know what to do. Alternatively they might lose again because they can't cope with the added pressure...

Perhaps although they did play poorly in the first game against Greece so in a second game they might be more ready and know what to do. Alternatively they might lose again because they can't cope with the added pressure...
I just think with the high number of chances they need for a goal they are better suited to play against an opponent with a rather weak defence than against one that builds it up very organized.

Schade Holland! Alles ist vorbei, alles ist vorbei, alles ist vorbei! ;)

Sorry, couldn't resist...

Now, let's win the damn cup on Sunday!!!

VIVA PORTUGAL!!!

Going to get more drunk now. See ya later!

Congratulations :), your lot deserved to win. It is good to see Figo back in his old form. Too bad he had to pick this game to do it in.

I just think with the high number of chances they need for a goal they are better suited to play against an opponent with a rather weak defence than against one that builds it up very organized.

Will Pauleta ever score? :(

Damned! I missed the match!

I got out of the habit of watching football after our defeat and the pause in the matches...

But I hear it was deserved, so great job, Portugal! I hope they win the cup!

good game, but I was disappointed by the dutch, pretty symptomatic that they needed Portugals help to score.

Will Pauleta ever score? :(
As it is in football he might still become a hero of the tournament should he score the decisive goal in the final which would make all those crappy games forgotten...

So-so game I would say. Holland sure have the competitions best players but the team as a unit doesn't work at all. Portugal totally deserved this one, good to have the hosts in the final! :)

Man, we like to suffer, all of our games we suffer, and I think Scolari was making the English mistake, putting defensive units and removing attaking units....

But, I never seen Portugal so motivated, its very nice to see this :)

Pauleta didnt score a goal that was to be in there...... he is not confident scoring....

Well, we are in the Final, Go Portugal :D

As it is in football he might still become a hero of the tournament should he score the decisive goal in the final which would make all those crappy games forgotten...

Yeah he could, alternatively he could miss another chance and then the Czechs/Greeks could score on the counter attack...

Do players get more points for scoring in the final? :mischief:

Do players get more points for scoring in the final? :mischief:Psychologically speaking, yes.

Sylvain Wiltord wouldn't have participated to this Euro 2004 if he hadn't scored during the Euro 2000 final against Italy. ;)

Portugal clearly deserved to go through, but they could easily have been made to pay for Pauleta's profligacy. I was pretty surprised that van Nistelrooy's goal was ruled off for off-side, for example.

Mr Fisk seemed somewhat doubtful in terms of his impartiality - as jack merchant said, he didn't decisively influence the game, but, for anyone who is already convinced from the Russian and English games that the referees are giving Portugal a hand (and where is Stormbind when you need him ?), this will just seem like more evidence.

I hope we get a stronger and more demonstrably fair ref in the final.

Congratulations Portugal :)
A deserved and convincing win.

The Dutch have had a lot of luck in this tournament and therefore were able to reach the semi finals. Except for the first 20 minutes in the game against Czechia the Dutch didn't play well during this tournament, so today's result was to be expected.

The only strange thing that Scolari did were his substitutions. The result was the Poruguese started to play nervously and we got a few chances. If the Dutch would have scored the 2-2 I guess they should have had the best chances to win the game in overtime, because the Portuguese had almost no strikers anymore.

IMO the attack is still the best defense.

So-so game I would say. Holland sure have the competitions best players but the team as a unit doesn't work at all. Portugal totally deserved this one, good to have the hosts in the final! :)

We only have the best attackers. But football is more than that. Our defense was hopeless (like in all earlier matches) and the midfield wasn't strong enough (like in all other matches). I can't feel bad about it. I think that we were very lucky to be in the semi-final, because we played a rather poor championship. However, we were blinded by the decent performance against the Czechs and thought that our team was as good as in 1998/2000.

I hope that Advocaat quits his job. He based his decisions on fear most of the times.

Psychologically speaking, yes.

Sylvain Wiltord wouldn't have participated to this Euro 2004 if he hadn't scored during the Euro 2000 final against Italy. ;)
I guess he was referring to the Dreamteam Competition. ;)

But you also have a point, Oliver Bierhoff built a whole career on it...

I'm really sick. I can't put my finger on what went wrong. A lot was against us; Robben out of form, Seedorf not being ok, a ref which chose Portugal's side in all fifty-fifty decisions, bad passing from defenders, players not paying attention when the game was at a hold, Portugal playing better, injuries, ...

Perhaps we were just not good enough and lucky to reach the semis.

Well congrats Portugal, good luck in the final. But I'll be supporting Czechia. Not because you beat us, but because Czechia gave us a chance to continue in the tournament and shine like stars. But we didn't.

Why is it that the people from the land of coffee shops are much more calm than those from the land of pub brawls? ;)

Whoa, it was a deserved victory for Portugal, man. We were extremistically lucky to get this far anyway. I just hope we ditch our square coach now, it is mainly his fault when he manages to let a team with such great players play so defensive and uninspired. Congrats to Portugal, but like Rik I'll be supporting Czechia in the final (assuming they get there..).

Hmm
Holland the architects of their own destruction again. Apparently only Overmars actually wanted to play in the first half, for which audacity he was substituted at half-time. Then with a few minutes left, without having scored, but still only a goal down, they realised they could equalise, and started to all play. Then they realised that would mean they'd have to run around for and extra 30 minutes, and they stopped.

The Czechs will surely beat Portugal. Both teams creat lots of chances. The Czechs convert more.

Congrats to Portugal :goodjob:, they really deserved to win. Great goals, I particularly liked the one by Jorge "he's my friend" Andrade :rolleyes:.
Holland wasn't balanced enough and although there were some chances Portugal was just the better team. Nice to see Figo being quite inspired for a change. Interesting to see Holland end with three central strikers by the way (let's sack Advocaat for changing Robben again :lol: ).

So it's back to the qualifiers for WC06, where Holland have the easy task of battling it out with the Czech Republic :mischief:.

Why is it that the people from the land of coffee shops are much more calm than those from the land of pub brawls? ;)

Some people from the land of pub brawls were calm... :p

congrats portugal

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Nice game! Portugal deserved to win. Fantastic goal by Maniche (louzy defense by the dutch, but that's nothing new... :( )

@Stapel: tough luck. It would have been fun for us, but even more for you had we made the final. :(

Look at this. For once in my life I decide to support the Dutch, and they produce a poor game...

The portuguese did deserve to win -they made a lot of mistakes, especially when it was time to kill the game with another score, but they did play the game, and showed great determination.

The Dutch just didn't seem to believe they could make it. Especially after the own goal, had they put some pressure on the Portugues defense, they might have done created a chance or two -but if 'pressure' means simply to throw long high balls in the box hoping something happens...

Hopefully the Dutch nation will get some glory in COTM2... ;)

Nice game! Portugal deserved to win. Fantastic goal by Maniche (louzy defense by the dutch, but that's nothing new... )

The first goal was woeful defence also, letting someone have a free header from six yards is suicide...

That has often been Holland's problem - great going forward, leaky at the back. It's just interesting that of the 4 semi-finalists, only one (Greece) is what I would call a defensive team. The others are much more impressive going forward than they are at the back.

Nice game! Portugal deserved to win. Fantastic goal by Maniche (louzy defense by the dutch, but that's nothing new... :( )

@Stapel: tough luck. It would have been fun for us, but even more for you had we made the final. :(

:cry:

This realy sucks. I still don't understand why Sneijder didn't play, instead of Cocu on the midfield, with Cocu taking Bouma's place in the defence. Isn't that the obvious way??????

I really hope Advocaat will be banned to some obscure country.

Does it bug anyone else the way commentators still insist on calling a 2-goal lead 'safe'?
Like it's impossible to score two goals once the other team have done it, or it's impossible to score twice in five minutes. There are many counter-examples...

It bugs me more that they start talking about the Man of the Match after 70 minutes...

You're right, Dr. Jimbo.
It is not safe at all... Actually, when the opponents manage to score the 2-1, many teams start getting scared and loosing confidence, making it almost easier for the other ones to equalize.

The Portuguese were mentally very good at not letting this happen yesterday, much as the Dutch failed to take this chance and reopen the game.

Does it bug anyone else the way commentators still insist on calling a 2-goal lead 'safe'?
Like it's impossible to score two goals once the other team have done it, or it's impossible to score twice in five minutes. There are many counter-examples...
Technically they are right of course! Once the other team scores 2-1 (3-2, 4-3 etc) the 2-goal lead has vanished and therefore it's not safe anymore... As long as the 2-goal lead is there, it's safe. :p
Then again, you're right in that it's a pretty empty observation.

Its reasonably safe as yesterday Holland managed to pull a goal back but still lost... I guess commentators think it is safe since it is when you compare it to a one goal lead which the England team seem to think it safe...

Some people from the land of pub brawls were calm... :p

that leaves the question: where do you spend your holidays? ;)

I really hope Advocaat will be banned to some obscure country.
:eek:

We still search for a new coach...

:eek:

We still search for a new coach...

Thats the problem, trying to find a decent coach who wants to manage an international team. Apparently England want an English manager next...

When I was still happy:

:lol:

Whe's your orange wig?

Where's Martin?

Where's Martin?

Maarten....

I don't know. Probably being searched through by one of those annoying guards.

Stapel: are there, besides you, anyone we know in the picture ?

Stapel: are there, besides you, anyone we know in the picture ?

Probably not.