SGOTM3 Rome - Announcement and Sign Up Thread.

Hi everyone, and welcome to the SGOTM3 Sign UP thread.

The general idea of SGOTM is for competing teams to play a Succession Game based on a GOTM scenario. SGOTM3 is based on GOTM-16 Rome and is set at Emperor difficulty. The game is available in CivIII 1.29f and PTW 1.27f formats. Mac players are welcome to play. The PTW version will play using the 1.29f rule set. The game IS modded but does not require any downloads other than the starting save.

The game will start on the 13th July, so sign up (either individually or as a team) by posting in this thread. Please note that self-constructed teams are restricted to a maximum of four members to which I may add one or two players for balancing purposes.

Here is the start position.
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/SGOTM3.jpg

Here are a couple of links you might find useful.

The Original GOTM16 Announcement. (http://gotm.civfanatics.net/games/gotm16_rome.shtml)
The Draft Constitution (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=1733966&postcount=61)

This Months' sponsored variant is Xenophobic NOW
The rules are as follows.
1. Non-Oscillating War variant. You keep a list of opponents and the order in which you meet them.
2. You must declare war on the first Civ you meet before leaving the diplomacy screen for the first time.
3. You must stay at war with that Civ until one of you have been eliminated.
4. You must declare war on the second Civ you met on the same turn that the first Civ was eliminated or 20 turns has elapsed (whichever happens sooner). This is to prevent sandbagging.
5. After each opponent is eliminated or 20 turns elapse you must declare war on the next civ in the list.
6. If you run out of opponents because you haven't met them yet and 20 turns have elapsed, you must declare war on the next opponent you meet before leaving the diplomacy screen for the first time with them

The Xenophobic part of the variant runs as follows.
7. You may never own a foreign worker. You must never buy one, and if you capture them they must be disbanded on the tile on which they were captured.
8. All deals must be at face value. No haggling.
9. You will not establish embassies.
10. You will never retain a town that contains foreign citizens. Such towns must be razed and any workers spawned disbanded.

The Gold Laurel will be awarded to the team that win by the victory condition of their choice in the fewest turns relative to the Jason best date for that condition.

This variant is very difficult - You have been warned!

Also there is a puzzle involving some non-standard Barbarian Units. Solving this puzzle will give you a unique insight into SGOTM4. ;)

PM me if you solve it.

The individual team threads will be posted on the day of the game starting along with the rosters.

Please Sign UP by posting in this thread. Please include the software version you would like to play, and whether you would like to play the sponsored variant. If you have not previously played GOTM or SGOTM then it would hep me to place you in the most appropriate team if you state the difficulty level you are comfortable playing. If this is too embarrasing then just PM me.

What exactly does "No bartering" mean?

How could I refuse :thumbsup:

As a self-confessed warmonger, I'm game to have a go at the sponsored variant as long as you can muster a team capable of carrying me through it. Or I'm happy to try other options and learn the ways of peace and cultural fullfillment :rolleyes:

Vanilla flavoured CivIII for me.

When you want to sell a tech you ask how much they will give for it and either accept or decline the offer.

If you want to buy a tech you ask how much they want for it and either accept or decline again. No fiddling with gold and gpt to squeeze the last coin from your opponent.

EDIT: HAve now replace "bartering" with "Haggling" in the variant rules. This is what I meant. No command of my own language... :blush:

Sign me up please - I'd be happy to play with my current team if they're willing to have me. (Team Bugsy)

Edit: I wanted to congratulate Mad-Bax on his game choice. I just checked and of the 32 GOTM's so far, I have won 23 of them. The first 3 SGOTMs so far have are from the nine I did not win. :hatsoff: :salute:

Looks like a real challenge! Sign me up please. Previous teammates preferred. [ptw]

Would like to play the variant. Deity level.

I would like to play. Can play [civ3] 1.29 or [ptw] 1.27, no variant
I have played 3 Gotms and no SG's. Regent level player who dabbles in monarchy.

Crikey ! Even thinking about this variant is making hairs grow on the shell of this normally diplomatic and mild-mannered Peanut.

Sign me up, MadBax, with whomever can cope with a leguminous and somewhat inexpert teammate.

Either PTW or 1.29 is ok, and I want to win the variant or be crushed into Peanut Paste fighting valiantly to the last ... :)

This game was great fun the first time around, so I'd love another go at it. I wonder if all the latin improvement names are still around :lol: I'd prefer [ptw], but am willing and able to play either.

Reminds me of Narcissistic Nehru... Sign me up for [ptw].

Even though I'm not done with SGOTM2, sign me up for #3! No prefrences. Throw me in where ever.

Sign me up for PTW.

Sign me up, please.

Either version is fine.
I'm still learning to play on Monarch.
No variant please.

I'm in.

SGOTM2 was my first ever AW and this sounds fun.

Either version is fine with me.

sounds like a good varient :thumbsup: i'll put my hat in on this and i'll play with the same group :)

It might be a not so cheesy variant as previous SGOTM. I'd like to play the variant. It can be either vanilla or PTW.

OK, sign me up for SGOTM3. I'm quite content to get crushed with Team Peanut, if the team wishes to stay together. (I've never played any of the AW variants.) PTW 1.27f, preferably.

(Oh, and I did submit a GOTM16 Spaceship victory as the Romans, I also have the Barb puzzle solution around here somewhere ...)

Sign me up for a PTW team, please.

... I also have the Barb puzzle solution around here somewhere ...)


The original solution was "veni vidi vici". I don't do Latin. ;)

sign me up for variant. Either [civ3] or preferred [ptw]

Please put me in M-B. You've got me hooked. Can do either [civ3] or [ptw].

Hoping that the X-Men want to stay together, but they will have to speak for themselves! :crazyeye:

:thanx:

Sign me up, either PTW or Vanilla Civ3. So does this mean SGOTM2 must be finished by 13th July

I'm in ....looking at the mods... squid unit... :cool:

Sign me up, either PTW or Vanilla Civ3. So does this mean SGOTM2 must be finished by 13th July
Nothing in the scoring/management says its necessary. You may note there's a pop up menu on the summary/graph/downloads page to select the game to view, and that'll work however many games are in progress.

Of course, m-b may choose to constrain you for other than technical reasons ;)

Hoping that the X-Men want to stay together, but they will have to speak for themselves! :crazyeye:A glutton for punishment, heh? Well, if it's the wish of the people, the Xteam can give a return performance. Now we are two. P'raps we'll even win something this time :hmm:

I'm in ....looking at the mods... squid unit... :cool:Well, I've been called a lot of things in my time, but never a 'squid unit' :lol:

Sign me up for the variant [ptw] (preferred) or [civ3] if needed.

Smackster

Scout: I have taken the squid unit out of the game to make it a zero download game. Sorry

-Oblivion-: No you don't have to finish SGOTM2 by 13th July. Notionally I am putting a ten week limit on games. But I need to get a bit more experience in developing games and variants that will take 10 weeks or less to play for 95% of the teams.

Anyway - 10 days is 40 turns and I can't believe there is a game still running that will last that long - is there :mischief:

Another Peanut signing up here! Will play PTW or 1.29. Dig the variant ;)
Would love to stay with team Peanut if possible.

I'm in if Team Peanut is going to be playing together again.

A glutton for punishment, heh? Well, if it's the wish of the people, the Xteam can give a return performance. Now we are two. P'raps we'll even win something this time :hmm:
Nah :p cause you guys still have to put up with me :lol:

Officially signing up for sgotm3, hopefully as part of the XTeam once again.

The survivors of team tao will participate in SGOTM3. We did not yet discuss whether we do the Sponsored Variant. It is very tempting, but IMHO way harder than ordinary deity level. A challange. I'm in favor of it. :D

PS: And we need about 2 more team members.

PPS: Macintosh/vanilla 1.29

Sign me up for a PTW team, please. And, I wouldn't mind playing the variant if possible.

Just to confirm as a survivor of team tao I'm in. The variant certainly sounds tempting, but this will be my first real foray above Monarch. I'm always up for a challenge though....

One question on the variant: does rule 10 mean that when you capture a city you can not install a new governor and have to raze immediately, or can you install a new governor, move troops through then raze as long as it's on the same turn?

When the last unit wins, you get the option of capturing or razing the city. You must raze it.

The only exception is where the AI have just captured one of your towns. You are then permitted to re-take the town to see if there are any foreigners within it. If there are you muxt raze it. Otherwise you can keep it.

Thanks MB - that's what I thought it would be, but better to confirm now rather than get it wrong in the game!

Sign me up. Either vanilla or ptw. Usually win on warlord. Win about 50% on regent. I need to work on war strategies so I'm game for the variant

Sign me up - can't resist the romans and PTW please. Maybe I play another roman game with bede, conehead and slinger ;)

[civ3mac] 1.29

Turning up the heat pretty fast aren't we MB? :D
Count me in for team tao. The variant sounds challenging indeed. If its way harder than deity as tao suggests, it probably warrants some discussion in our team thread prior to making a decision.

When you want to sell a tech you ask how much they will give for it and either accept or decline the offer.

If you want to buy a tech you ask how much they want for it and either accept or decline again. No fiddling with gold and gpt to squeeze the last coin from your opponent.I don't understand how this can work. Please elaborate. AI has 3 techs, I have 3 techs. I want to get their techs, ask for them and they say "It can't be done." Now I have to modify my request.
What if the AI wants feudalism and wm for feudalism. Do I have to accept or am I free to decline?
What if the AI wants gpt and I know that I will break the deal by declaring war soon? Must I accept?
May I suggest that you remove this part from the draft rules.

Just read Tao's questions and:
I don't think we are forced to accept but any deal given that we DEEM worthy we HAVE to accept at face value. No haggling.
Barbslinger is in and preferring, like Microbe, OUR team.

Tao I have played to these rules before. It works. Trust me.
You can accept or decline an offer. It's up to you.

If you want to buy feudalism from Gandhi, you ask " what do you want for feudalism?" He responds "Engineering + 68g +11gpt + WM. You can either accept or decline the offer.

If the AI have 3 techs and they say it can't be done, then you can ask for two techs. :)

In the previous succession games I have had the impression that their were some who found the games trivial. I have had my hands tied behind my back to a certain extent, trying to establish a client base. Participation is OK now, and so I can allow the concept to progress to the next stage, which is basically a two tier game. The non-variant game will play like a normal game of that level, but the variant game will be decidedley more difficult. In fact the variants will generally be games teams might be capable of losing. They're not meant to be easy.

I'm not finished there incidentally. :)

Do I understand you correctly: We must never offer something, but in negotiations we always only ask for something?

Because as soon as we are free to offer, what you call "haggling" starts.

No. You can say "what will you offer me for Engineering?". If the response is "Monarchy+12gpt+48g+WM" you can accept or decline. If you want their monotheism, and they are not offering it, then you have to ask what they want for it.

Specifically, what this condition does is increase the cost of purchases by around 20% and does not allow fiddling with ratios of gpt to lump sum and removes to some extent the ability to manipulate tech rates and opponent upgrade ability. It's the reduction in the ability to manipulate the AI that has the most impact on gameplay.

Incidentally, whilst playtesting the condition was even more restrictive, and I didn't allow myself to initiate any trades and was only allowed to accept or decline the offer put on the table.

I am really tempted to tell you what happened, but I really must resist... :)

My only concern about this restriction is the effort required to audit.

Maybe I start to understand:
Allowed: What do you offer for X?
Allowed: What do you want for Y?
Allowed: To deny an offer.
Forbidden: Do you accept Y for Z? Correct?

PS: The gpt option will soon be a non-issue as our reputation goes down the drain.

Sign me up for some Xenophobia please :)


Ted

Now - understanding the variant rules - please sign me up for a game which will follow the variant rules.

PS: The gpt option will soon be a non-issue as our reputation goes down the drain.

Yes... I think you have it now :)

Yes... I think you have it now :)The gpt thing was just a remark. The important part is: Forbidden: Do you accept Y for Z? You should make it very clear in the game rules.

MB,

Would gifting a tech or WM be allowed? Sometimes the AI will say it can't be done when you are trying to give them a tech. Or do you just click on the gift line and not the what will you offer for line?

I think the intention is that Xenophobia means you are not interested in conversations, debates or anything other than minimal contact with furriners. As m-b says, the original intention of this variant is never even to initiate a conversation but he's obviously play tested that and decided it's a bridge too far for us on his map. So we are allowed to open the diplo screen ourselves, and clicking the gift line should presumably be allowed at that point, as it involves less of a discussion than asking what they'll pay ... and no more than declaring war.

I would like to join the Team XMEN.

Sign me up please! Never played this variant before. Sounds a bit like AWE but with a twenty turn breathing space.
Are the contact trading rules original or conquests? The way I read the instructions is that we have to declare war with someone within twenty turns of meeting them. Is that right? Or is it as long as we are at war with someone we don't have declare war on anybody else?

I will join, of course. :D


Both PTW and Vanilla work. :)

Would xenophobes really be interested in technologies developed by the sub-humans?

I don't think zenophobia is about having a superiority complex, it's a phobia, ie. a fear of foreigners. Apparently as experienced by most British competitors when entering an international sporting arena these days :p

xen·o·pho·bi·a:
noun

fear of foreigners: an intense fear or dislike of foreign people, their customs and culture, or foreign things

Anthony Trollope (1815 - 1882) wrote:
We cannot bring ourselves to believe it possible that a foreigner should in any respect be wiser than ourselves. If any such point out to us our follies, we at once claim those follies as the special evidences of our wisdom.

Thanks, Bede. That's what I meant. How bout zero trading at all, except for demands? :lol:

I'm keen. vanilla, ptw or conquest. Variant preferred, I'm not a strong warmonger so would like the practice. Can win most Emperor games I start.

The Nemesis.

I'm in and I think the rest of Team Bugs is probably in also.

Sign me up with Team Offa or whatever we call it this time :)

Sign me up, PTW preferably. The variant sounds interesting.

I'm interested, PTW, non-variant probably. Can do pretty well on emporer, but am a builder so I prefer monarchy.

I played this game the first time round so I am very spoilered especially as it was a very distinctive game. The game is a good choice as it is great fun so I wish everyone well, but I will have to pass.

Sign me up for the variant. Can play both vanilla and PTW.

@Offa, if I were you I'd give it a go anyways -if you have time and will, of course :)
We managed to play GOTM32 in SG form with a few people not long after its release as a GOTM, and being spoilered didn't prevent us from enjoying it a lot -we actually succeeded in keeping the spoiler info out of the team discussion.

And I suspect that MB might have changed a few little things here and there...

I respect your decision Offa.

I would however like to point out that the game announcement says this game is "similar" to the original. If there is anyone else worried about being spoilered, then I will do as much as I can to allay those fears without ruining the surprises that may or may not be in store.

Has anyone compared the start I posted to the original yet?

Has anyone compared the start I posted to the original yet?Yep... :D

I spotted 1 major & 1 minor difference.


Ted

I have now ;) I make it three differences, one obvious major one, one minor, and a river's disappeared which I would also classify as major. I'm a trader who won't be allowed to negotiate, so I can use all the commerce I can get.

I loaded the original up to get a better look at it. It was before my time on CFC, so I didn't realise that this one had modded names for all the terrain and resources. Nice! I hope they haven't disappeared in the SGOTM file.

[EDIT] OH! And I think some hills may have disappeared under the north west fog line.

Sign me up too! The variant sounds challenging, so I'm in for it :D Prefer PTW, but all goes.

-Tinkez

Sign me in.
I've played 5 GOTM's but no SGOTM.
But please no sponsored version (I feel it's too hard :eek: ).
All versions acceptable.

I have now ;) I make it three differences, one obvious major one, one minor, and a river's disappeared which I would also classify as major. I counted the river as major & the Wines as minor, forgetting for the moment about the food bonus :)

This was my first ever GOTM and I'm really looking forward to having another bash at it.


Ted

The forest missing from under the north eastern fog was my minor one.

I'm not sure about that, could be that due to reworking we can only see the underlying tile at the edge of a forest. But we'll soon know for sure :)


Ted

Count me in as part of team Ankka (again!) can play either [ptw] or [civ3], not too bothered which, but would prefer [ptw] if pushed to make a decision

GOTM18 was the first GOTM I played so no spoilers here. The variant seems a bit beyond me though :blush:

I'm not sure about that, could be that due to reworking we can only see the underlying tile at the edge of a forest. But we'll soon know for sure :)True, oh wise one. The shapes of other forests have certainly changed. The wines are also an early commerce bonus. Wines on a wet hill give 2 gpt in despot without needing a Roman road.

I must refresh my Wine knowledge :D


Ted

Surely you mean replenish..? ;)

Top up might be more colloquial :)


Ted

Ted, it is Wine we're talking about here! Wine of some standing can bear old-fashioned language. (I actually had to look 'colloquial' up in my dictionary, the word isn't that colloquial for me. :lol: )

Oh oh, I can hear a mod coming... maybe I should stop the :nospam: :blush:

On topic: this game was my first GOTM game as well. A small miracle that I won it! Or did I? I will have to go back and check.

edit: Re-phrased the wording to prevent misunderstandings... ;)

Double post, plz delete.

Former team “Ankka” with a new name “Ivan” sign up for SGOTM 3. We ask to include one more Emperor/Deity level player in our team. Currently team is:
1.I. Larkin,
2. Mabellino
3. Ankka
4. King Alexander.
We play vanilla 1.29f, non-variant.

M-B,

I'm definitely in, and agree with my compadres that staying as 'Bugsy's Bunnies' works for us.

Sign me in please, Civ III v1.29 and I'm an average player I think.
I'm playing GOTM's monthly and usually winning, but I'm not an elite player.

i'll join and i would prefer vanilla civ3. also i'm a warlord level player.

EDIT: i forget this is my first GOTM and SGOTM and i dont know any teams :confused:

I would like to play on a PTW team....Thank you

Can't believe I only just noticed this!

Sign me up :)

PTW preferred... and variant is fine with me too.

@Mad-Bax: Are you closing this on the 13th? Somebody PMd me about a short sign-up period...

(and yes, I want in)

Sign me up please :) [ptw] prefered, happy to play variant (even if that no haggling really buts a dampener on my style).

Have only finished one GOTM before (23 or so, Scandinavia last summer), but feel I am a (edit: Silly me, typed the opposite of what I meant) above average player, usually playing DG but can survive Diety.

The game starts on the 13th. This month there is a 10 day sign up period. I am trying to balance giving pple time vs getting twitchy before the game starts. If people apply after the game starts then I will ask teams with only 4 players whether or not they will accept another player. If they will fine, if not then the applicant will need to wait for the next one (which will be great BTW :) )

Peanut butter kind of sticks to me. I would like to sign up again for Team Peanut. Perfer the variant.

Keith

When I want to ask "what would you offer for tech X", could I also include gold saying "what would you offer for tech X plus gold Y"? Similarly, could I say "what would you need for tech X and gold Y"?

Sign me up,

Will play either 1.27 or 1.29. Variant doesn't matter to me.

I will beat Monarch most of the time and have beaten Emperor.

Sorry...I'm new. How do these games work? How does the team situation work? Sorry to ask these questions here...

:wavey: Welcome.

Take a look at the first post which links to the "Draft Constitution".

cool. But I think I will sit this one out.

I have only played 1 CGOTM2 .. beat it but it was very tough. I basically play on Monarch and have been dabbling in Emporer difficulty. Haven't played on of those through to the end just been working out starting moves. Anyway new to this .. willing to give it a try.

Oh yes ... PTW version please. Haven't actually played basic CIV.

I'd like to play non-variant...

Sign me up for a PTW team. I usually only play C3C nowadays at Regent/Monarch level. I'd prefer to be on a team that isn't playing the variant since Emperor level will be enough of a challenge for my brain.

I would love to play but im not that good at the game.If that's ok then please sign me up.I can play vanilla,ptw,and C3C.

Signing up for team tao :thumbsup:

I wanna play! [civ3]

Please guys... help me out a little here...

In order to make the teams reasonably equal, and allow you to play the software version you need, and the variant (or not).. I need to know

1. The software version you play.
2. Whether you want to play the sponsored variant or not.
3. What level you normally play/ are comfortable with
4. Whether you want to stay in a previous team.

I now have to write endless PM's - which I won't be able to do 'till Friday. :(

Please guys... help me out a little here...

In order to make the teams reasonably equal, and allow you to play the software version you need, and the variant (or not).. I need to know

1. The software version you play.
Which do YOU play? (It's all good to me... 'cept AlanH's Mac stuph)
2. Whether you want to play the sponsored variant or not.
What's AlanH playin'? :D
3. What level you normally play/ are comfortable with
If I'm playin' with grahamiam, Sir Bugsy, Barbslinger, Bede... with setups from Gozpel, I'll take on Demi-God. Gimme some Regent/Monarch level guys on the team, and this Emperor game will be jest fine, thanks. :p
4. Whether you want to stay in a previous team.
That's a loaded question. I'll take a fifth.

Thanks :p

Alan is playing first. I'm running a spread bet on who will die first and on which date.

The spread is 25 turns either side of 10AD.

Any takers?

Additional information as requested:

(1.PTW preferred)
(2.Variant please)
3. I'm emperor level player
4. I can stay with my previous team, if they just would sign up :D
Ted is the only one so far and I'd be happy to play with Ted, if he accepts :)

-Tinkez

Tinkez. PM them. If you pester them enough they'll give in. That's what I do for my games ... otherwise I'd have no-one to play with. :cry: ;)

Added info:

1. Can play both, but prefer Vanilla, cause I never bought PTW before C3C.
2. Sponsored variant, please.
3. I normally play monarch, but that's cause I'm lazy in my own games and tend not to MM much. I can usually win emperor games.
4. Xteam. Might as well have fun with people you know if you're going to get thrashed :lol:

Team tao will play the variant. We welcome out new team member Zwingli and hope to have a good time together:

Demiurge
Furiey
tao
Zwingli (alphabetical order)

We will play in vanilla 1.29.

One more team member welcome (should play monarch and up because this game IMHO will be harder than ordinary deity games (unless the map is doctored (gotm 16 was before my civ time and thus I did not play the original (and mad-bax may have changed it)))).

Let's give it a try
I can play PTW or vanilla.
The variant would be fine.
I typically play emperor and prefer tiny maps, mostly going for domination, which probably doesn't make me the typical builder type. :lol:
I never played in any succession game, also I didn't play any GOTM before COTM 1.

1. Vanilla only, but I can play with any PeeCee players. Vanilla's not Mac-specific
2. Sponsored variant, of course scout! Is this getting personal? :eek:
3. Emperor possibly, but mostly GOTM which tends to flatter
4. Xteam as it seems to be forming up again and I own the avatar ;)

Version: PTW
Variant: Yes
Level: Emperor, and sometimes better
Team: No preference. Like meeting different players.

Please guys... help me out a little here... Oh, alright. Anything to stop the constant fretting and moaning :D

1. PTW
2. Play Xenophobic variant
3. Sid or lower :blush:
4. Not fussed normally but Team Handy might be resurrected for this one :hammer:


Ted

Additional info...

Version: PTW preferred, but Vanilla is a possibiltity.
Variant: Can go either way on this.
Level: I can typically surive deity...with a decent start.
Team: Haven't been on one yet, so really no preference.

Sorry mad-bax, here again:

1. i can play all versions
2. i don't know if i can stay the sponsored variant (but if i have to do, i try it)
3. Monarch, Emperor but please not more :blush:
4. it's my first SGOTM, so each team you have for me

Well, I can't remember how much info I put in my first post, so I'll just answer your questions striaght out... ;)

1. PTW preferred, but can play anything.
2. Variant is fine with me, but will do non-variant.
3. Somewhere between Monarch and Emperor.
4. We only just finished SGoTM2!! So we haven't discussed it, but I would consider it an honour to be back with that team... Or indeed, any team :mischief:

Additional Info:

1. Either software version is fine, but to play with Alan, I'll take vanilla.
2. Sponsored variant, oh my!! :eek:
3. Emperor sometimes?? :lol:
4. XMen for another go round, we have to win something, sometime, maybe, perhaps :crazyeye:

edit - I think zamint3 may have headed off on holiday. Hope he doesn't miss the sign-up.
Looking foreward to the next one.
Is this good enough M-B?

1. Either
2. variant
3. emperor
4. first SGOTM, so no team yet

1. Either ptw or civ3
2. Variant
3. Deity
4. Any team

Smackster

Im considering joining, but dont know what this is. Can someone explain SGOTM to me?

In a nutshell, a team of 4 or 5 people take it in turns to play 10 turns each, then hand it over to the next player, all the while discussing tactics etc... See the initial post for a link to the GoTM site...

1) PTW version
2) will play the variant, sounds like fun
3) Monarch level
4) 1st time trying this have never been on a team

Civ3 or PTW, no pref

I'm playing on Emperor level, but with a good crew I can play up another level, but Emperor is fine.

I will try the variant just for the fact that it's so vicious. I have a feeling you guys picked this one because you knew most people would take it, just because it's gonna make the game brutal. NOW? Wow.

I haven't seen most of my previous team post an interest in this game, besides Smackster that is, so I'll be on any time that will have me.

One question though:
10. You will never retain a town that contains foreign citizens. Such towns must be razed and any workers spawned disbanded. - does this mean *ALL* towns are to be razed?

:
10. You will never retain a town that contains foreign citizens. Such towns must be razed and any workers spawned disbanded. - does this mean *ALL* towns are to be razed?
If you recapture a city you once owned it may not have any foreigners in it. If so presumably you don't have to raze it.

Alan is correct. If one of your towns is captured you may investigate the city on recapture to ascertain whether or not it contains foreign nationals. If not, you may keep it.

Version: Anything works.
Variant: No, thanks.
Level: Monarchy+. With a good team Deity in SG's.
Team: Different people are fun to play with, you learn more. No offence, Ivan. :)

Former team “Ankka” with a new name “Ivan” sign up for SGOTM 3. We ask to include one more Emperor/Deity level player in our team. Currently team is:
1.I. Larkin,
2. Mabellino
3. Ankka
4. King Alexander.
We play vanilla 1.29f, non-variant.
Software information exists.
Level of team members is:
1.I. Larkin: Deity
2. Mabellino: Monarch
3. Ankka: Monarch +
4. King Alexander: Monarch -.
As I understood Ankka wish to play in another team. In this case we whant two new team members.
MB, if you have difficulty with team balancing, I can try 2 new Regent level players...

2. Sponsored variant, of course scout! Is this getting personal? :eek:Not personal in the least, my friend. Just don't forget "Aeson's Button" any more. And would you cut me some slack? Whaddya want me to do, start a friendly rivalry with Kuningas? Play a PBEM with Akots? I mean, c'mon, man, I need at least a snowball's chance... :p

Seriously, good job you guys did in '2. :thumbsup:

Not personal in the leastPity ;) I was looking forward to a bit of 'needle'. :joke:

1. The software version you play.
2. Whether you want to play the sponsored variant or not.
3. What level you normally play/ are comfortable with
4. Whether you want to stay in a previous team.
mad-bax - one less PM to send:

1. I have all of them, but will stick with vanilla
2. I'll give it a go (gulp)
3. Monarch (hence the gulp)
4. Yep - team tao

MB, if you have difficulty with team balancing, I can try 2 new Regent level players...

With your orders even a newbie could win a Monarch game. :thumbsup:

I'd like to be a part of the game as well..
Could you please sign me up.... [ptw] v.127
Can be a member of any team..
I usually play monarch for fun and emperor for adrenaline rush. :mischief:
I'd like to try a variant, if not it's okay.

Thanks!!!

1. The software version you play.
2. Whether you want to play the sponsored variant or not.
3. What level you normally play/ are comfortable with
4. Whether you want to stay in a previous team.


1. I have CivIII, PTW & C3C
2. Interested in variant
3. Confortable in CivIII at emporer/diety & in C3C emporer
4. Definintely interested in teaming with akots

hey dunno if i'm too late, but i would like to join if anyone wants my on their team :D

I have c3c, please tell me what team i can join :)

I don't play much, but the games i do play are all on high difficulty. I used to play on deity in civ2 and civ3 original, played some of the c3c campains on emperor and am now attempting to win Sid. I have never played any civ game lower than emperor.

variant or not is both ok with me, wherever is place for me.

after reading about the game "scouting sid" somewhere here on the forums, i would like to be on the team with some of those guys, espescially arathorn :D

Requested info...

Version: [civ3mac] 1.29
Variant: yes
Level: Emperor
Team: tao

Sign me in for ptw or vanilla
no variant
monarch / emperor
yes i'd like to team with anybody

thanks

Please guys... help me out a little here...
In order to make the teams reasonably equal, and allow you to play the software version you need, and the variant (or not).. I need to know
1. The software version you play.
2. Whether you want to play the sponsored variant or not.
3. What level you normally play/ are comfortable with
4. Whether you want to stay in a previous team.
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1. PTW or C3C are fine.
2. I'd prefer not to play the variant.
3. Monarch to regent
4. First-time player. :goodjob:

If Team Handy wants to tackle this one, that's fine be me!

this is all the info i didn't include on my first post i think
1.v1.29f Civ3
2.sponsored varient ( sounds interesting)
3. Warlord (I suck I know) or i could try harder level if requested
4. First time doing this so anyone will do for me.

Ok, I've never participated in a SG.

1. The software version you play.

C3C but willing to revert back to PTW.

2. Whether you want to play the sponsored variant or not.

I'd rather not play the sponsored variant, but rather work with more experienced players at fine tuning the regular rules.

3. What level you normally play/ are comfortable with

Never played past Chieftan until C3C came out. I'm beginning to find comfort in Monarch level.

4. Whether you want to stay in a previous team.

Not applicable in my situation.

Play a PBEM with Akots? I mean, c'mon, man, I need at least a snowball's chance... :p



Is that some kind of bad omen to play PBEM with Akots?

MadBax:

Looks like Team Peanut's bag of mixed nuts wants to risk being crushed into some sorry kind of sandwich spread in their insane quest for glory and one of those laurel thingies.

In summary : Keith Larson, Civ_Steve, Peglegasus, Bigchief and Peanut are willing to tackle the variant in PTW. Planetfall may well wish to join in the mayhem and slaughter as well.

A quick question - do we have to initiate discussions and hostilities with these inferior races as soon as we see them wander by or can we wait until they contact us ?

Team Microbe is complete for the variant.
gozpel, scoutsout, TedJackson, microbe and barbslinger ready for battle.

Is that some kind of bad omen to play PBEM with Akots?

No, but it's comparable to my local High School football team playing against the Raiders... everyone knows what to DO, and how to DO it, but the Raiders would stomp the High School team... hopefully.:p

No offense Scouts, but you just recently were promoted from the TDG... I think Akots could start one.:p

No offense Scouts, but you just recently were promoted from the TDG... I think Akots could start one.:pNone taken - you got my point exactly. I learned Akots skills firsthand as a member of his team in SGOTM1. And it doesn't take a perceptive person to see him winning medals and posting consistent top finishes in GsOTM.

"To lift an autumn hair no sign of great strength,
To see the sun and moon no sign of great vision..."

I'm playing a practice game in preparation and I captured a catapult - I disbanded in my practice game but what is the ruling going to be for the sgotm? Are we going to refuse to use the inferior workmanship of the foreigners or take it by our "right" and use it against them?

Haven't seen a reply to my question:

When I want to ask "what would you offer for tech X", could I also include gold saying "what would you offer for tech X plus gold Y"? Similarly, could I say "what would you need for tech X and gold Y"?

When I want to ask "what would you offer for tech X", could I also include gold saying "what would you offer for tech X plus gold Y"? Similarly, could I say "what would you need for tech X and gold Y"?
I think both is allowed. X and Y may be any sum of values.
As a result you will pay 10-18% more, then after normal negotiation.
Real pain will be if you want to avoid trade contacts and want to bue contacts... In this case AI simply will offer you WM, useless Techs, but not what you want.

No, but it's comparable to my local High School football team playing against the Raiders... everyone knows what to DO, and how to DO it, but the Raiders would stomp the High School team... hopefully.:p

No offense Scouts, but you just recently were promoted from the TDG... I think Akots could start one.:p

Well...

I'm involved with him in a couple of PBEM games and so far I haven't felt the wrath of his sword. :mischief:

I don't think you can keep offering tech +100g and then tech x +200g. That is just a reverse haggle. You can only offer a tech to see what you can get. You can also only ask for techs. I don't think you can attach gold to your tech offers.

I don't think you can keep offering tech +100g and then tech x +200g. That is just a reverse haggle. You can only offer a tech to see what you can get. You can also only ask for techs. I don't think you can attach gold to your tech offers.
OK, let M-B make it clear. Anyhow I will not play this variant.

Ok, sorry dude.

Civ3 1.29f
Warlord
Expansionistic and Scientific (Russians)
Defensive player
Never had a previous team

I think I got it all the first time but to clarify. (and easier to read)

1. Any (would prefer c3c but will fit in where ever)
2. Variant
3. Emperor
4. first SGOTM

Ta,
The Nemesis.

If Team Handy wants to tackle this one, that's fine be me!

Ok, that makes it three players from Team Handy (Me, TedJackson and Coletite). We still need Handy to sign up too...

-Tinkez

Sorry guys,

but with Handy being away... I've been headhunted :D


Ted

Sorry guys,

but with Handy being away... I've been headhunted :D


Ted
Ted, No problem then. Then we'll join other teams. The new Handy2 will then beat your new team :rolleyes: :D

-Tinkez

OK since it seems to be a bone of contention, I will attempt to dot the i's and cross the t's about the trading debate.

1. You may trade techs at face value (buy or sell)
2. You may trade luxuries at face value (buy or sell)
3. You may trade resources at face value (buy or sell)
3. You may NOT lend or borrow money
4. You may NOT buy or sell workers
5. You may NOT add gold or gpt to an offer even if it is your first offer
Gold or gpt must not be part of any trading package that you enquire as to the worth of. :cringe:

5 in particular is self evident in my eye, and am having all sorts of trouble trying to find a form of words which is not obviously a statement of the obvious.

If you want a tech then pay them what they ask for it. If you want to sell a tech, sell it for what they will give you for it. If you think you are being ripped off, don't do the deal.

I know a good lawyer who I may ask to draft a legally robust document, as I am apparently lacking the necessary grasp of the english language. :joke:

1. The software version you play.
I prefer PTW but if it means getting on a team or not I can play all
2. Whether you want to play the sponsored variant or not.
You can choose.
3. What level you normally play/ are comfortable with
Comfortable with Monarch (I should prolly move up to emperor)
4. Whether you want to stay in a previous team.
Team scout has been disbanded so no...

Side note:
I doubt we'll be giving away any cities this round seeings that we found out that once given all of the citizens instantly become foreign.

PTW for me. I hate moving workers, military units around one at a time.
I want to play the variant as well, even though I don't get it. :)

Are we going to mod this to include Squid?

Well, I was really gonna let this one slip by, but the variant looks like too much fun, though probably nasty.

Sign me up for a variant team only.

It does not look like Team Alamo will be back, or at least not in it's current iteration, so wherever is fine with me.

PTW for me. I hate moving workers, military units around one at a time.
Well, as you may just possibly be aware, I play vanilla. But I don't move workers or units around one at a time either. My Mac has a J key, just like yours, and I use it :)

Well, as you may just possibly be aware, I play vanilla. But I don't move workers or units around one at a time either. My Mac has a J key, just like yours, and I use it :)

Well what do you know! I looked and there it was...... a "J" key. I feel like I'm learning new stuff all the time. :) Although I'm missing my F3,F4 and escape keys after the keyboard throwing GOTM 30 induced "episode". I guess I might as well use while its still there.

I know a good lawyer who I may ask to draft a legally robust document, as I am apparently lacking the necessary grasp of the english language. :joke:
No you aren't. Folks just want to find a way around the obvious. :gripe:

I've never played a GOTM before, and I figure this should be a good place to start. :viking:
1. I'm able to use either vanilla or PTW, but prefer the latter.
2. I would prefer not to play the variant, but will play it if absolutely necessary.
3. I'm solid at Monarch; I sometimes win at Emperor.
4. I have no team in mind.

4. King Alexander: Monarch -.
I'm currently playing Emperor in my own epic games(sometimes lose, sometimes win: I'm learning to trade better for techs, I think, that's the key in high levels).

Come to think of it, 4 months before, I was still playing Chieftain, because I wanted all the Great Wonders for myself :) , and I didn't pay attention to micromanaging.

EDIT: I can play Vanilla, PTW or C3C.

EDIT 2: I'll go with the team Ivan.

In response to an earlier question... I have removed the squid from the scenario. This is to make the game playable without any downloads other than the starting save. I have (over)compensated for this however. ;)

Can I play please?

Software: any
variant: errmm.. I s'pose I have to
level: emperor/deity on a good day.
team: staff

I am of course spoilered. However, the staff are extremely busy, and a four man ( ;) ) roster makes life difficult for them. In order to be able to enter a staff team I need to play. I promise I will use my knowledge of the map to the minimum extent required to win the competition. :joke:

If anyone has any objection to this please say so, either here or by PM.

If anyone has any objection to this please say so, either here or by PM.Ummmm.. that depends. I suspect that the team you play with will not object. ;)

Seriously - if we can't trust you, who can we ... wait a dadgum minute... we can't trust you whether or not you're playing the game... You'll still throw us curveballs! :p

I vote for Mad-Bax playing. Whoever beats the team he's on will just find it that much more satisfying. Unless he's on the same team as me. In which case, I look forward to being on a better team with better leadership than the one I was on in SGOTM2. :crazyeye:

Can I play please?

If anyone has any objection to this please say so, either here or by PM.It is good that you ask. Since a number of players already participated in gotm16 (on which this game is based) and/or may have read the spoiler threads of that game, I see no reason why you should be excluded from participation. It might be appropriated however, that you play last, since the initial moves are the most critical and AFAIK you have modified the starting position.

PS: IIRC other staff members also monitor the teams' threads and we also trust them to not use any knowledge gained to their unfair advantage.

Can I play please? Wearing a blindfold? One arm tied behind your back? :D

After all the hard work you've put into these games you deserve to play. :goodjob:


Ted

Can I play please?

I give you permission to play :king:

If anyone has any objection to this please say so, either here or by PM.
As Ted Jackson said, you DESERVE to play. Remember: the important thing playing Civ, is to have fun. I play for fun, otherwise I wouldn't touch the game(or should I say, I wouldn't play SGOTM's)!

PS: IIRC other staff members also monitor the teams' threads and we also trust them to not use any knowledge gained to their unfair advantage.Actually I don't look at other team threads. But if I did have to, you have my word for it that my rate of loss of brain cells is such that I would instantly forget anything I saw. :D

IIRC that is almost excectly what Karasu said in our thread a while ago...:lol:

Karasu was monitoring threads whilst I was on holiday. A responsible person must do this. Normally I would inform a moderator when a thread/post requires attention, and the moderator would then take any necessary action.

Having a staff team in the competition is a great idea IMNSHO ;) as it presents a target and an incentive to teams to beat their score for the bragging rights that go with the acheivement. For this reason the staff team needs to be reasonably strong, and must be able to complete the game in good time.

I have no objection to your playing. After all, we have you to thank for all of this.

Having a staff team in the competition is a great idea IMNSHO ;) as it presents a target and an incentive to teams to beat their score for the bragging rights that go with the acheivement. For this reason the staff team needs to be reasonably strong, and must be able to complete the game in good time.
I agree M-B, but they should be required to play the variant. :mischief: None of this wimping out stuff like in SGOTM 02. :p Dominiation, really now!!:rolleyes: :lol: :lol:

variant: errmm.. I s'pose I have to


@leif, here you go! :lol: We're bound to the variant ;)

@leif, here you go! :lol: We're bound to the variant ;)
That's the best news I've had all day!! :cool: See you on the other side, hopefully, with some sort of leafy thing, and not the wooden spoon! :eek:

Well, as you may just possibly be aware, I play vanilla. But I don't move workers or units around one at a time either. My Mac has a J key, just like yours, and I use it :)


Moving units in stacks works in vanilla too? :hmm: I never knew... I thouhg it was PTW and C3C only.

@mad-bax

I have to resign, has nothing to do with fact you are playing ;) but I'm moving on a new apartment and propably lose Internet Connection.

I think you should play (even if you did remove the squid :( ).

A few questions to answer (some from earlier posts by other posters):

1.) Can captured catapults be kept, or must they be immediately disbanded?

2.) Must you contact a civ upon meeting one of their units or seeing one of their cities, or can you delay until they contact you?

3.) I think you've clarified the Tech trading ... either offer a Tech (or Techs) by itself, or ask what they want for their Tech or Techs, and accept or decline.

4.) 20 turns have elapsed rule: is that from when war with the 1st civ was started, or from first contact with civ#2, assuming neither you or civ#1 has been eliminated. Example: contact civ#1 on turn 15, begin war; contact civ#2 on turn 20; Assume no elimination of civ#1, does war with civ#2 start on turn 35 or 40?

5.) I think the answer is yes, but I'm assuming we can start a war earlier than 20 turns, if we wish to.

sign me up please PTW1.27

Sign me up for a plain ol' Civ III 1.29. (not xenophobic)
This'll be my first succession game. Can't wait.

How many teams are we up to now? :eek:

For interest, we had 64 players still registered in 13 teams at the end of SGOTM 2. That's not including people who dropped out earlier on. I haven't counted the sign-ups here, but it sure looks like more. I'll have to mix up my paints for some more team colours for the graph ;)

How does it work for those of us who don't have a team? Are we randomly placed together?

:wavey: Welcome, Matternich.

mad-bax is trying to build teams with comparable mixes of ability that can play their preferred software version and game variant. If you don't give him any clues about either then he has a difficult-to-impossible task on his hands.

Please, guys. Give the man a break and tell him your software preference (vanilla/PtW), your usual difficulty level, whether you want to play the variant, and whether you have a team preference.

PTW 1.21f for me :mischief:

How many teams are we up to now? :eek:

For interest, we had 64 players still registered in 13 teams at the end of SGOTM 2. That's not including people who dropped out earlier on. I haven't counted the sign-ups here, but it sure looks like more. I'll have to mix up my paints for some more team colours for the graph ;)
Use dashed lines... If you will make a table for Jason might be intersting. After 70 turns or so I may run my program for LogPlot.

Jason doesn't mean anything until the game is over. Its major contribution is the win bonus calculation based on victory condition. For incomplete games all it does is to normalise the scores by multiplying firaxis score by 10000/best_score

Jason doesn't mean anything until the game is over. Its major contribution is the win bonus calculation based on victory condition. For incomplete games all it does is to normalise the scores by multiplying firaxis score by 10000/best_score
I see. So only Fraxis mean something. (In fact very little, I did post-game analysis: cuvers goes up and down and weakly correlated with events...). However to make Graph more redable, what do you think about an idea to plot Log[Fraxis] ? Assuming that at turn 0 all have Fraxis=1?

M-Bax, to make you life esear I try to form my team via PM.
Currently team is:
1.I. Larkin, Deity
2. Mabellino, Monarch
3. Kaiser_Berger, Emperor+
4. King Alexander, Monarch
5. Vacant for Warlord/Regent. (ZabMilenko(?))
We play vanilla 1.29f, non-variant.

I see. So only Fraxis mean something. (In fact very little, I did post-game analysis: cuvers goes up and down and weakly correlated with events...).Yest, it means very little. Firaxis is based on territory and happy people. Look at our game: we were pursuing the dominating path (mostly) without diversion. We did not build temples, because in monarchy you have military police. Thus our borders did not expand and thus our Firaxis score was low. This was not "weakness", but a side effect of us concentrating on the end game.

On the ups and downs: If you are attacked, you get inverse ww, people are happy, score rises. Unless you loose a luxury by war or because you fail to renew alux deal: people are unhappy, score drops. Likewise if you get ww in republic.

Per your request MB:

SesnOfWthr
M60A3TTS
Romeothemonk
Tallanas

M-Bax, to make you life esear I try to form my team via PM.
Currently team is:
1.I. Larkin, Deity
2. Mabellino, Monarch
3. Kaiser_Berger, Emperor+
4. King Alexander, Monarch
5. Vacant for Warlord/Regent. (ZabMilenko(?))
We play vanilla 1.29f, non-variant.

Eeep Monarch! I've played a few games (mainly GOTM's) at this level but I'm not sure if I can be classed as a monarch player! On the other hand, with Ivan's planning and analysis, I'm sure I could manage a deity! Check out our thread for an example of what I mean!

So M-B, who will be our secret surprise top player then??? put us out of our misery!

I see. So only Fraxis mean something. (In fact very little, I did post-game analysis: cuvers goes up and down and weakly correlated with events...). However to make Graph more redable, what do you think about an idea to plot Log[Fraxis] ? Assuming that at turn 0 all have Fraxis=1?
We could try a log scale for the next game, as a second graph. Let's wait until the game's under way. There's not much data early on anyway, and there's usually some heavy maintenace work to do as we get started ;)

I'd also be interested to see how the rate of change of score moves - that's an exponential function during the growth phase as well - it may be a more sensitive measure of what happened in people's games and when. SO I may plot that as well.

Re. the identification of more teams, I'm not sure about dashed lines. They all lie on top of each other, and dashes may be difficult to separate visually. I've actually put a small deviation - 0, +1, -1 pixels - on successive lines, just to try to reduce the overlaps. I think I'll work out a method for selecting the ones you want to include in the graph so that players can focus on the ones they are interested in.

I think you should play (even if you did remove the squid :( ).

A few questions to answer (some from earlier posts by other posters):

1.) Can captured catapults be kept, or must they be immediately disbanded?

2.) Must you contact a civ upon meeting one of their units or seeing one of their cities, or can you delay until they contact you?

3.) I think you've clarified the Tech trading ... either offer a Tech (or Techs) by itself, or ask what they want for their Tech or Techs, and accept or decline.

4.) 20 turns have elapsed rule: is that from when war with the 1st civ was started, or from first contact with civ#2, assuming neither you or civ#1 has been eliminated. Example: contact civ#1 on turn 15, begin war; contact civ#2 on turn 20; Assume no elimination of civ#1, does war with civ#2 start on turn 35 or 40?

5.) I think the answer is yes, but I'm assuming we can start a war earlier than 20 turns, if we wish to.

1. Artillery pieces of any discription may be kept if captured.

2. For the first civ you meet, you must declare war before leaving the diplomacy screen for the first time. You don't have to open diplomacy immediately, and you may wait until you are contacted if you so wish. For all other civs the clock starts ticking once you have closded the dip screen with them for the first time. The exception here is if you run out of civs, because you haven't met them yet, and more than 20 turns has elapsed since you last declared on someone. In this case you have to declare war iimediately before leaving the diplomacy screen for the first time.

3. Good

4. When you declare war for the first time, no more than 20 turns may elapse before declaring war on the 2nd civ you met. You MUST declare war on the next civ if you eliminate the previous civ within the 20 turn rule. Standard NOW merely requires that you declare war on the next CIV as soon as the previous civ is eliminated, but to prevent sandbagging and teams delaying the next war declaration by keeping a settler on a boat alive etc, the 20 turn rule applies.

5. See 4. (But yes you can - I bet you don't though.)

AlanH...Great job on the results/summary pages. It looks like we'll have even more info for analysis/comparison for SGOTM3!

A couple of suggestions:

Since MB really seems to be raising the bar for teams going for the variant, how about adding a field in the team summary stating whether the team is pursuing the variant or not.

Could a toggle checkbox be added by each team in the summary portion so that only those teams checked are included in the scoring curve graph?

Could the team name in the summary link to each team thread? Not a big deal for teams currently playing but very nice for lurkers.

Posted in error. :blush:

how about adding a field in the team summary stating whether the team is pursuing the variant or not. I'll add a checkbox to the player/team database for M-B to set if he agrees (I don't read the other team threads, so I don't have the info).

Could a toggle checkbox be added by each team in the summary portion so that only those teams checked are included in the scoring curve graph? That was the idea behind my point: "I think I'll work out a method for selecting the ones you want to include in the graph" :)

Could the team name in the summary link to each team thread? Not a big deal for teams currently playing but very nice for lurkers.OK. I'll try to set that up.

Alanh: I have not seen sign ups for AdrianE or zamint3. Do you need replacements for these players?

Looks like it. Haven't heard from either of them since we finished SGOTM2.

Hi Mad-Bax & Alan.

Just back from a wonderful vacation & ready to rumble.

I'm happy to lead a team into mediocrity once again if you are looking for team leader volunteers. Ted Jackson PM'd me that he'd like to play on my team again (glutton for punishment I guess :lol: ). So, could you place Ted & I on a team, along with reserved #3 and #4 spots on the same team?

I'll PM the 4-player team roster to you as soon as we hook it up. Then you can place #5 & #6 as you see fit to balance us out. I realize the game begins pretty soon.

Thanks for all the hard work you guys put in to run the SGOTM. :thumbsup:

Hi handy,

Ted has been poached :p sorry. I do have a team for you to lead however.

So far we have 75 sign-ups and 15 teams. :)

Hi handy,

Ted has been poached :p sorry. I do have a team for you to lead however.



No problem. In Ted's place I've agreed to take T_McC onto my team, despite the fact that he is at best a regent level :mischief: player.

I'll sign up for Handy and T_McC's team.

Edit: Question answered on page 10.

Mad-Bax,

Just to clarify the variant, it sounds like we can never make peace, and will eventually be in an Always War game. The main difference between AW & OW appears to be that you get 20 free turns before you have to declare war (except for the first civ you meet).

Say we meet 3 civs on the same turn. We declare on Civ A immediately, then declare on civ B 20 turns later, and civ C 40 turns (20+20) later. Correct?

2. You must declare war on the first Civ you meet before leaving the diplomacy screen for the first time.
3. You must stay at war with that Civ until one of you have been eliminated.
4. You must declare war on the second Civ you met on the same turn that the first Civ was eliminated or 20 turns has elapsed (whichever happens sooner).

me again...

Reading through, I noticed coletite and Tinkez wanted to play on team handy again.

As long as these guys are up for the variant, feel free to add them to Team Handy with T_McC, Yom & myself unless you’ve already assigned these guys elsewhere. I’d be happy to play with them again.

Given this is PTW where armies are not nearly as useful as in C3C, the variant will be difficult indeed. Should be good fun.

Here's an idea to simplify the trading questions I've seen in the posts. If you want a tech the AI has, you must ask "what do you want for tech X". You can either accept or decline the offer. If the AI will not offer it, that's your tough luck. This will eliminate the exploit of asking what the AI wants on one turn, then offering the AI a little less the next turn. A sneaky way to haggle. Won't matter too much anyway... OWE will pretty much make us tech laggards after the first few turns, and once we are @ war we can't trade. Might get a WM off someone for cash that will be helpful.

FWIW, I just as soon forbid trading, after all, we're xenophobic. :D

Just to clarify the variant, it sounds like we can never make peace, and will eventually be in an Always War game. The main difference between AW & OW appears to be that you get 20 free turns before you have to declare war (except for the first civ you meet).I think you're right handy, this could easily turn into an AW game. The "anti-sandbagging" measures in MB's rules are a little different from the NOW variant described by Arathorn. Using Arathorn's guide, you could conceivably form some alliances, and the last civ you meet could be a "friend" until all others have been eliminated.

The thing that makes this appear more challenging is that once you meet the second civ, you've basically got 20 turns to eliminate the first before you find yourself fighting 2 civs. Hmmmm... multifront wars at Emperor level...

This variant is a sure-fire formula for a slugfest. :D

Hmmmm... multifront wars at Emperor level...

This variant is a sure-fire formula for a slugfest. :D

A two front war @ emporer on PTW is going to be a tough nut to crack. :)The early war will force your GA with few cities, assuming we have iron. OWE with no iron would be a really tough nut. No iron, no horses, forget it. I don't think Mad-Bax will do that to us. :)

But still, it's the classic AW early game question. Do we explore to see where the iron & horses are and risk contact? Or do we back settle away from where we think the AI is (based on the mimi map) so we don't make contact & pray we find Iron in our hinterlands.

Open invitation to all... if you have not played an war variant, there are lots of SG links to ongoing & completed AW SGs in my signature. :D Be prepared to do self-research and be a full age behind in techs and at war with everyone. IIRC we were so far behind in one game (HNDY03 maybe?) we researched a tech in 4 turns with a lone scientist while we were in anarchy. :lol:

Yest, it means very little. Firaxis is based on territory and happy people. Look at our game: we were pursuing the dominating path (mostly) without diversion. We did not build temples, because in monarchy you have military police. Thus our borders did not expand and thus our Firaxis score was low. This was not "weakness", but a side effect of us concentrating on the end game.

On the ups and downs: If you are attacked, you get inverse ww, people are happy, score rises. Unless you loose a luxury by war or because you fail to renew alux deal: people are unhappy, score drops. Likewise if you get ww in republic.
I thoudht that Territory does not included in Fraxis. Only population. (If happy=unhappy it is simply total number integrated over time. I read your thread, and as far as I can see you delay with settler Factory, and stop it early compare to other teams, (we did not manage at all).
I will put at SGOTM2 discussion new picture with some events marked.

Additional info...

Version: PTW preferred, but Vanilla is a possibiltity.
Variant: Can go either way on this.
Level: I can typically surive deity...with a decent start.
Team: Haven't been on one yet, so really no preference.
@Mad-Bax, I think that means that K_B is fit for my team, If you have in mind somebody else, let me know by PM.
Ivan

Not to get caught up over the contact rule, but to clarify: You have a scenario where the Aztecs, Babylonians, and English all appear on the same IBT. Do you declare on the first civ you open a diplo screen with, or is it the first civ that popped into view during the IBT, or can you choose any one of the three to declare on?

I thoudht that Territory does not included in Fraxis. Only population. (If happy=unhappy it is simply total number integrated over time. Look at the score part of the F8 screen ....

Wrong post, delete.

I think you're right handy, this could easily turn into an AW game. ......... The thing that makes this appear more challenging is that once you meet the second civ, you've basically got 20 turns to eliminate the first before you find yourself fighting 2 civs. Hmmmm... multifront wars at Emperor level...

This variant is a sure-fire formula for a slugfest. :DIMHO the real challenge is the xenophobic part. In AW games, you make scores of slaves and conquer cities with nice Wonders. In the variant, you have to build up your military and at the same time build lots of settlers and workers.

Is it too late for joining any team for SGOTM game? If not, I'd like to try this king of games.
Thanks.

Hi Sir_Ortin :wavey:

Thankyou for your sign-up.

To help me place you in the best team for you, please could you let me know.

1. The version of software you would like to play. (PTW or Vanilla 1.29f)

2. The level you feel comfortable playing. (Chieftain to Deity)

3. Whether you would like to play the variant (Not recommended for regent level and below).

Thanks very much. :)

Mad-Bax,

Just to clarify the variant, it sounds like we can never make peace, and will eventually be in an Always War game. The main difference between AW & OW appears to be that you get 20 free turns before you have to declare war (except for the first civ you meet).

Say we meet 3 civs on the same turn. We declare on Civ A immediately, then declare on civ B 20 turns later, and civ C 40 turns (20+20) later. Correct?



Correct. Though there are 12 opponents and it will take some time to meet the first civ, and you don't have to open diplomatic relations immediately. So if you do the maths....

Hi Mad-Bax.
1. I have both PTW(1.27f) and Original(1.29f), but usually I play PTW.
2. As to level, at monarch I usually win. At emperor I lose more often than win.
3. I'd like to play in something orther than game with usual rules.
Thanks.

Do you declare on the first civ you open a diplo screen with, or is it the first civ that popped into view during the IBT, or can you choose any one of the three to declare on?

It would be the order in which you open diplomatic relations - who you open the trade screens with first.

No problem. In Ted's place I've agreed to take T_McC onto my team, despite the fact that he is at best a regent level :mischief: player.

This did not go unnoticed BTW. Bandit. :D

Alanh: I have not seen sign ups for AdrianE or zamint3. Do you need replacements for these players?

MB

That is because I have been on vacation. Actually I'm still in vacation mode.

Yes I will play. Civ1.29 on a mac.

I can play the variant or not. It doesn't matter.

I'll play on Xteam as long as Alan promises to keep the post count down. :lol:
If you have already made up the teams, put me elsewhere.

Additional info...

Yes, Civ III 1.29f is good for me. (PM)
@M-Bax, I hope you will set K_B in our team.
You may ballance us with Warlord/Regent player of your choise.
Ivan

I'll play on Xteam as long as Alan promises to keep the post count down. :lol:
I'm making no promises about post count, except it'll be kept down by the fact that it will probably be quite a short game with an unhappy ending :eek:

I'm game if a team needs a handicap.

I remember that GOTM - no way would I try the variant without prepaid funeral arragements!

Ya know there was one team that had more posts than the Xteam...(3+ pages I think)

I think the reason for it was that Tal and myself were #1 trying to keep u with scout. and #2 Trying to get to 300 posts for the cool Av :)

Ivan and others. If I have a problem with the teams you propose then I'll tell you. No news is good news :)

The teams should be finalised tonight, at which point I will seed each of the bics with their individual tracers and generate the saves. I hope that by midnight (GMT) tonight the saves will be available.

Please check that your nicks are spelled absolutely correctly in the team lists. If they are not (and I am human allegedly), then you will not be able to upload a save.

Ah, i see the threads are up :goodjob:
Just one question, if we haven't specifically signed up for a team, then how do we know what team we are in at the moment :hmm:
Sorry if i am harassing you if you are trying to get the saves ready, and all that.

The team threads are now up.

The saves will be available from the downloads page (linked in the first post of your game threads) as soon as the timer on the server allows it in a few hours time.

PLEASE: Team leaders, PM the members of your team and get them to answer roll call by posting in the game thread. If you have anyone that is AWOL let me know after 48 hrs and I will arrange a replacement (if I can).

Please subscribe to your game threads so that you know when people have posted.


You may also have noticed that the SGOTM2 downloads page has the awards included now. I will be writing an announcement presently. (Must have a cuppa first).

-Oblivion- : Fair enough.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads7/sgotm3arosters.jpg

Thankyou..

Does that make Me the team leader? If so how the hell did that happen. I hope it is because of the cool name not because I'm considered the best player on the team.
Am I correct in saying that the following is the team:
DJMGator
marconos
grs
conehead234

Ya know there was one team that had more posts than the Xteam...(3+ pages I think)
Damn! Now we lost the spammers award as well. We were clear leaders in posts per turn for most of the game, but Scout weren't content to take the wooden spoon, they stole the spam prize as well :cry:

you listed conehead twice.
your other team member is marconos.

I selected you neither because of your superior playing skill or your boyish good looks and charm. ;) I just thought you would be good at it.

Thanks m-b I'll do my best

OK. This sign-up thread is now closed.

If you missed this game, subscribe to this sub-forum and make sure you don't miss the next one. :)

Damn! Now we lost the spammers award as well. We were clear leaders in posts per turn for most of the game, but Scout weren't content to take the wooden spoon, they stole the spam prize as well :cry:

The Wooden Spam-Spoon, eh? Nice...

I take much of the blame for the awesome spamfest that was our thread. Fully 207 of the posts were mine :eek:

Out of 743...

How many did you get, Misty??

Did you go back and hand count the posts? Good golly that would mseem to take forever. Nice Av BTW.

That reminds me, I must update my sig to thank Lyonesse. And no, if you hover over the envelope at the edge of the thread page, it tells you how many posts you have in it...

117 for me but I can in 1/2 way thru.


bad-max: To make this less a spam fest I'd like to thank you for all of your hard work and dilligence to this thread and game. You Da Man!!! (I presume)

Mad-Bax,

Below is a “DO” from my list for our team. I wanted to double check to make sure this is allowed.

DO stop in the middle of your turns, post a save and ask for the team’s opinion if you are unsure what to do. Post a save if you want some help. If something comes up during your turn which is a difficult decision, then it is completely appropriate to stop playing so a discussion can occur on the best path to follow.

PS - Nice avatar Misfit. :D

Thank-you Hady900 - All of the credit goes to Lyonesse. I've seen the pic of yours or somthing similar to it but I can't place where

Mad-Bax,

Below is a “DO” from my list for our team. I wanted to double check to make sure this is allowed.

DO stop in the middle of your turns, post a save and ask for the team’s opinion if you are unsure what to do. Post a save if you want some help. If something comes up during your turn which is a difficult decision, then it is completely appropriate to stop playing so a discussion can occur on the best path to follow.

I think it is ok to do this, I've certainly seen it done a lot of times. However, I would encourage people to play their 10 turns without help if they can, as its better to learn that way. As for the opening sequence, we might want to think about a break, as that can setup the whole game.

Smackster

PLEASE: Team leaders, PM the members of your team and get them to answer roll call by posting in the game thread. If you have anyone that is AWOL let me know after 48 hrs and I will arrange a replacement (if I can).


@MB : I'm back from vacation, so if you need a replacement, I'm game. :)

Zamint3: I already have a couple of options for you, I will let you know what they are when the dust settles - probably tomorrow.

Do you want to play the variant?

Mad-Bax,

Another question about the variant rules.

... we can sell existing buildings from a captured town before disbanding the town? In the game thread there was indication that you can check whether or not the town has foreign citizens or not. This would allow us to get money from their buildings before disbanding.

Also - Are we correct in assuming we can agree to gpt deals as long as we will not be required to break the gpt deal during the next 20 turns? In other words, can I pay Civ X 5gpt since I don't have to declare war on them for 30 more turns because Civ Y is next in line with a declaration due in 10 turns?

If you say to a civ "what do you want for steam?" and they reply "Democracy +127g + 55gpt +WM". Then you can accept it and declare war befor leaving the trade screen if you like. Your rep is yours to do as you wish with.

As for disbanding towns. No you can't do what you ask.

The idea is this... When you kill the last defender in a city, you get the choice of keeping the city, or razing it. You must always raze it. The exception is if the city was originally built by you. In this case you are allowed to see if there are any foreigners in the city. If there are you raze it, if not then you may keep it. No selling buildings.

If you say to a civ "what do you want for steam?" and they reply "Democracy +127g + 55gpt +WM". Then you can accept it and declare war befor leaving the trade screen if you like. Your rep is yours to do as you wish with.

As for disbanding towns. No you can't do what you ask.

The idea is this... When you kill the last defender in a city, you get the choice of keeping the city, or razing it. You must always raze it. The exception is if the city was originally built by you. In this case you are allowed to see if there are any foreigners in the city. If there are you raze it, if not then you may keep it. No selling buildings.


Thanks for the clarification. :goodjob:

zamint3: I have added you to mauers roster. This is for many reasons, but mainly balance. Hope this is OK.

Your thread is >>HERE<< (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2000513&postcount=1)