This is an official poll to determine who (other than the DP) should be able to halt the chat. Now, you may notice that there is no option for "the DP, and only the DP." That is because the result of this poll will be run against that option to determine the answer to this question once and for all. This poll will run for 5 days.

Discussion link (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=92648)

This poll should definately have a "NOONE" option. The way this poll is worded, SOMEONE other than the DP should be able to halt the chat. But I'm sure this will get full Moderator support. ;)

BTW, I refused to vote in this biased poll.

Cyc, there will be a WHOLE NEW POLL to determine that. The winner of this poll will run against the DP in th new poll.

Seriously, Noldodan, I totally understand the concept you are trying to work with here. But that doesn't mean anyone else will. Not only was the original wording for this poll (thanks for adding the "no one", I voted that way) misleading, but even if understood, it negated or left out nearly 40% of the voters in the other poll because their option wasn't here.

It was bad enough that the winning option in that poll didn't win because of the "cumulative Polling" that was used to slant the scales, I had to address the original wording in this poll.

Much better now, even if it is redundant.

The citizenry and/or the council.

(thanks for adding the "no one", I voted that way)
Actually, RM added that, a decision that I am currently opposing via PM.

I didn't add it ...
I was going to, but Chieftess was faster.

I didn't add it ...
I was going to, but Chieftess was faster.

ACK! Sorry! I thought it was you because I saw only you in this forum when it happened. I guess CT uses invisible mode.

EDIT: The option of "no one" has been removed. To those who would have voted for it: There will be an option in the next poll to vote for that (the DP being the only one to be able to halt a chat).

Up with the citizenry! This is a democracy game, after all!

I've become quite the populist lately...

I am not voting in this poll and I hereby formally call that this poll be invalidated. By posting this poll without the *No One* option it will be biased against that option. The cart has been placed before the horse here once again. If the previous poll on this subject was only *informational* then we need to go back to that original question and hold a proper poll on it first.

Is there a moderator out there that is willing to poll this thing properly?

I'm not going to poll it myself, but I will add my voice to those saying this poll is biased and another one should be posted. What I am going to do is close this poll, and leave the thread open with a different title and you can use it to discuss what options should be in the 'official' poll and how it should be presented.

Well, that's a kick in the pants for me. Then here is my proposal: I will post a poll reading exactly like this one except that it will include the "No one" option. Now, are there any objections to this amended poll?

Just the citizenry. If a group of elected officials are for something, but not their constituants, something else is wrong. Go with the source.

If you want to make it a fair poll, list the options this way:

1. Chat attendees and Instruction-posting Leaders.

2. No one.

If you need to post three options, which shouldn't be necessary, don't make the poll Cumulative. :)

I disagree that this poll was biased or unfair. There has already been a poll which says that people other than the DP should have the authority to stop play.

Since that poll will probably never be recognized as valid, here is my suggestion of how to run the poll.

Q: Should anyone other than the DP have the power to stop game play during the chat.

Yes
No
Abstain

Do not make the mistake of leaving off the words "during the chat", or you'll cut off the ability to have instructions which say when to stop play.

there has to be a way for the chat to stop, otherwise we will have runaway situations where it was not planned for at all and will lead to what cyc described earlier in another thread: Anarchy

Alrighty then... How about a poll which just has 2 options: "The DP only" and "The DP, the chat-goers, and Council members at the chat." My reason for only putting that option as opposed to all three is that it received a clear majority in both polls. Any mods have an objection to running it like that?

I like the idea of just two options (although there should be an abstain option for people who don't or can't understand), but when you mention the "Council" you don't have to add "at the chat", 'cause 1. basically, Council at the chat are chat-goers and 2. the Council was in reference to posted Instructions. If you're suggesting that a Council member at a chat can cerimoniously call a stop to a chat as a situation concerning their Department arises, then you would reference that as an individual Leader, as the Council is not required to attend the chat, nor is a collective vote taken. The Council is required to post Instructions.

I don't see any reason to include the council as an option. If we do that, we open up the possibility of the council in attendance voting one way and the total citizens in attendance voting another. I say make it two options: if a majority of the citizens at the chat vote to halt the chat, then it is halted or only the DP can halt the chat.

I don't see any reason to include the council as an option. If we do that, we open up the possibility of the council in attendance voting one way and the total citizens in attendance voting another. I say make it two options: if a majority of the citizens at the chat vote to halt the chat, then it is halted or only the DP can halt the chat.

Exactly what I was proposing -- this is really a yes/no decision -- should anyone other than the DP be able to stop play during the play session?

I would agree with DaveShack's poll. Although the "posted Instruction" avenue is left out, DS's poll is easily understandable. It should work.

I would agree with DaveShack's poll. Although the "posted Instruction" avenue is left out, DS's poll is easily understandable. It should work.

The posted instruction thing is a separate area. I would like to define instructions as encompassing anything which can be accomplished via the user interface -- and "quit" is something the interface can do... :D

Well, after reading the suggestions here, I have decided to post a new poll, later today, with two options: The DP only and the chat-goers.

You mean:

1. The DP only

2. The DP and the Chat-goers

right?

You mean:

1. The DP only

2. The DP and the Chat-goers

right?

I think the DP is necessarily a chatgoer...

I've been giving Noldodan some time to get the new poll posted. If it doesn't get posted fairly soon, I'm planning to go ahead and run the new poll using this format, which is the way a question of this type should be worded.


Q: Should anyone other than the DP have the power to stop game play during the chat?

Yes
No
Abstain

I think the DP is necessarily a chatgoer...
kind of different, but true still a chat-goer.

I've been giving Noldodan some time to get the new poll posted. If it doesn't get posted fairly soon, I'm planning to go ahead and run the new poll using this format, which is the way a question of this type should be worded.

Thought we did this one already? Or are we trying to scrap the original poll?

Thought we did this one already? Or are we trying to scrap the original poll?

Nice editing on your reply -- you left out the crucial difference between my suggestion and all the others, which is that mine has yes/no/abstain as the vote options.

In the previous poll, "others" as a cumulative group got more votes than "DP Only" If you are willing to abide by that decision and accept that others at the chat are able to halt it, then we can stop now. If you will not accept the results of that perfectly valid poll, then we must have this other one to eliminate the confusing answers.

"What should govern the decision to halt a chat?"
Option 1: The DP's will only
Option 2: The DP's will or a majority vote of Citizens at the chat
Option 3: Abstain

Look good?

"What should govern the decision to halt a chat?"
Option 1: The DP's will only
Option 2: The DP's will or a majority vote of Citizens at the chat
Option 3: Abstain

Look good?
Yes, post it up!

Please, I can't take this anymore...Someone post a poll... :cry:

:lol:

Please, I can't take this anymore...Someone post a poll... :cry:

:lol:
Nor can I for that matter, this innane discussion is starting to drive me mad.

Sheesh, I just didn't want to get lambasted for botching another poll. It's going up... now.

The poll is up, lets get this one closed and locked.