This is our fairly standard form of government article. There were some comments on whether we want to stick with it, please discuss!


Article C. The government will consist of the Executive Branch,
Legislative Branch and Judicial Branch.

This discussion is over ;)

What other branches could there be? :p

Drop the Legislative branch - it serves no purpose.

Agree, who is in the Legislative branch, and what do they do?

If the answer is nothing/no one, then lets dump it.

I thought the legislative branch consisted of the Govenors who acted like the senate. I disagree on removing the legislative branch of the government.

I thought the legislative branch consisted of the Govenors who acted like the senate. I disagree on removing the legislative branch of the government.
they dont have anything to do now that the minister of finace is brought into the demogame, but mayb they could override a single governor's queue when they believe it wouldnt help the nation

they dont have anything to do now that the minister of finace is brought into the demogame, but mayb they could override a single governor's queue when they believe it wouldnt help the nation
Should the govenors at least act like senators when a law is going to be passed? Much like the US Senate does.

Should the govenors at least act like senators when a law is going to be passed? Much like the US Senate does.
mayb new laws should be passed by congress and also the congress could take care of build queues for a governor when he gone/there is no governor

Ill draw up some ideas for a congress for the demogame. I have to make sure that there are enough checks and ballances though ;).

I dont believe the legislative branch should be dropped.

*on a side note however* how close are we to completing the constitutional talks before we actually start the game, this constitutional talk while i admit needs to be done(maybe not in such detail) but it is definately turning of new people to the demogame.

mayb new laws should be passed by congress and also the congress could take care of build queues for a governor when he gone/there is no governor

And who is Congress? The citizens. So why have a branch of goverment made up of all citizens? It makes no sense.

And if a governor does not post instructions, then the DP decides.

And who is Congress? The citizens. So why have a branch of goverment made up of all citizens? It makes no sense.

And if a governor does not post instructions, then the DP decides.
sry, i meant senate

The Legislative is the people. This is a democracy, and thus they should have a rather large part in the government. Giving them a whole branch seems fair. They have everything to do, because they are the demo in demogame.

The Legislative is the people. This is a democracy, and thus they should have a rather large part in the government. Giving them a whole branch seems fair. They have everything to do, because they are the demo in demogame.
look here:http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=70898

as you see, the legistlature was made up of the congress(people) and senate(governors)

Well, contrary to the impression giving by most countries, one-house legislatures do exist. If the legislative is dissolved, than the people have no part in the government, and we have an oligarchy.

Do we actually need to list the branches of government? Could this largely useless article be removed entirely?

Do we actually need to list the branches of government? Could this largely useless article be removed entirely?
that is a good point, why state the branches when we will define them in the articles to follow?

I've never seen a branch doing something; just offices and citizens.

I thought branches are just definitions for a specific offices like the Ministries are in the Executive and the Judges are in the Judicary. :coffee:

I've never seen a branch doing something; just offices and citizens.
sry, thats what its called in america...

If the legislative is dissolved, than the people have no part in the government, and we have an oligarchy.

Not so. Any law needs to be voted on by the citezens. You don't need to create a branch of government for them to do that.

Yeah Zorven... the baranches are good only if you want a specific law to be voted only by the people in specific branch.
But I think is not necessary due to small number of new lows during the game

I think we might be able to remove this article for reasons of repetition of rules.

Proposed article C Poll:

Article C. The government will consist of the Executive Branch,
Legislative Branch and Judicial Branch.

Legistlative branch to me in this applies to

A.) the citizenry - "The House of Represenatives" in American government
B.) A "senate" from governors (OPTIONAL)

As such Legislative branch is valid, however, a "Senate" or a group of voting governors would just be another part of this branch, IF included, but wouldn't change things if we had none.

so you advocate removal? noted/.

Yeah, the Senate is pretty much gone now, some people want to rename it and make it a cigar-smoking good ole boys club, which is fine by me. I believe the citizenry should still be in the Legislative Branch. They're the ones that approve everything.

Should Article C be removed from the constituion?

Article C. The government will consist of the Executive Branch,
Legislative Branch and Judicial Branch.

Yes
No
Abstain


We could even hold this poll right now!

I would vote NO.

No Way. Keep it as is.

No counterproposal necessary, Immo ;)

Keep it in there, it lays out the general structure of the government, while not 100% neccisary, it helps show players that we try to work things like a real government.

And that there's a Legistature which votes on every thing, an Executive Branch which is put in charge of various responcibilities, and a Judicial Branch to keep people in check.

It's only one paragraph, doesn't add much complexity, just helps set things up for the rest of the consitution

so the original proposal still stands? alright :)

Im simply trying to breathe some life back into these discussions.

If they are still DoA, well then lets bring it to closure by next week.

Poll For Ratification now open

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=94831