www.maxthon.com <- formally known as MyIE2. Very slick looking 'upgrade' to IE but it still leaves vanilla IE there so you can easily go back.

Main points of Maxthon:
1. Tab browsing!
2. Pop-up blocking!
3. Nice skin.
4. Mouse gestures <- I don't use them but there they are.
5. It uses I.E. for broswing, just improves on it. Most pages out there work with I.E.
6. Absolutely free!
7. No SSL problems when connecting to https pages - unlike Opera.
8. More in there I am sure but I just started using it.

Cons:
1. The toolbars aren't as flexible as in Opera.
2. No email client (that is a pro in my mind but others might miss it).
3. Doesn't seem to be a download manager like Opera's.

I think I am going to be using Maxthon for a few weeks - not having to change between browsers (because it is IE) is nice....something I had to do with Opera.

One of the main downsides of IE based browsers is the fact that they still have all the holes of IE and in my experience, they're sluggish. To each his own, I guess.

True on the I.E. holes - but I don't notice the speed difference.

I like your sig:
“They are possibly the dumbest people on the planet.” -Michael Moore on Americans
(Well, when you have people paying eight bucks a pop to see your piece of propagandic trash, I'm inclined to agree with you.) Oh wait, you called us dumb! ;)

I believe he called himself dumb also there. :p

True on the I.E. holes - but I don't notice the speed difference.

So it's just adding features and not addressing the securiy problems. Security and features are the reasons I switched to Firefox so IMHO its just not worth it.

Bah. Forget IE. I have IE blocked with my Firewall.:D No more IE pop up ads. :cool:

Why bother making IE more like Firefox when you can just use Firefox instead. :p

Indeed. :)

Because you can't get to all the sites with Firefox. Hey, I am not trying to convert anyone, just offering an 'upgrade' to I.E.

Oh, BTW, I figured out how to turn on the middle click opens link in background page - actually all new pages open in the background...that is nice IMO. My wife hates that though. No problemo, she can just use I.E.

True on the I.E. holes - but I don't notice the speed difference.


As a Mac user, I notice the speed difference considerably. IE runs poorly on my computer, and slooooow. Firefox is a vast improvement.

Ah, I.E. on Mac? Yeah, I can believe that would run poorly! :)

Which shows you just how terrible IE would be if it didn't have the advantage of being built in to the OS.

Well, on my WindowsXP computer, Firefox loads up noticably faster than Internet Exploder. And Firefox is much faster at rendering complicated web pages as well.

Finally, I have the goofy Fire-something extension, so now I can say I am using Mozilla Lightningimpala. ;)

:lol: I'm actually yet to run Firesomething. I guess I'm something of a purist when it comes to that.

Too many holes in the IE boat... Firefox for anything now.

Mozilla Watermelon :p :p.

Because you can't get to all the sites with Firefox. Hey, I am not trying to convert anyone, just offering an 'upgrade' to I.E.
Install Opera then. It has an easy-to-use feature which allows you to "fake" the browser version which the web servers will see (assuming your problem was that.)

I got I.E I don't want to risk going to annother browser. It could be full of spyware

Huh? You get a lot more spyware through IE than it's even possible to get with some other program.

I got I.E I don't want to risk going to annother browser. It could be full of spyware
:lol: IE is probably the reason why you have spyware! IE has so many Activex and scripting exploits that spyware can easily be downloaded onto your computer.

I can also assure you that firefox isn't full of spyware.

And if you don't believe shadowdude, you can check out & compile the Firefox source code for yourself. IE is full of holes that make it easy for spyware to get in; after I switched my relatives to using Firefox, they went from getting hundreds of spyware programs I had to clean out every month or two, to 3-4 programs in the same time frame.

And even if Firefox/Mozilla/Camino were full of holes, they don't have significant enough of a market share for it to really interest people who write malicious code. And whenever holes are found, they're patched immediately (for much the same reason, small market share, and because of that, they can't afford to lose users).

Install Opera then. It has an easy-to-use feature which allows you to "fake" the browser version which the web servers will see (assuming your problem was that.)
munzy does have Opera; he was the one that helped me really love using it (the specifics will remain undisclosed). As for Opera's "masking" ability, it's not really that good. Even if it does identify as Internet Explorer, it still leaves "Opera" in its identifer. Many pages can and do filter out Opera (because it had poor support in its pre-7 versions).

I use avant browser myself. IE core, with mouse gestures, tabbed browsing, some other plugins... blocks flash ani's (supposed to, usually does alright, but some ads get by. Not many), pics, popups.

Not a bad little 1 mb download.

munzy does have Opera; he was the one that helped me really love using it (the specifics will remain undisclosed). As for Opera's "masking" ability, it's not really that good. Even if it does identify as Internet Explorer, it still leaves "Opera" in its identifer. Many pages can and do filter out Opera (because it had poor support in its pre-7 versions).
Well, then don't use such an idiotic pages. :crazyeye: If webmasters are really stupid enough to filter out a large part of their potential audience, let them do it then.

Well, then don't use such an idiotic pages. :crazyeye: If webmasters are really stupid enough to filter out a large part of their potential audience, let them do it then.
Thats the problem, browsers like opera and firefox have a very small portion of the market share.

Well, then don't use such an idiotic pages. :crazyeye: If webmasters are really stupid enough to filter out a large part of their potential audience, let them do it then.

Unfortunantely I must deal with those pages. From May 2003 (when I downloaded 7.11) to June 2004, for a whole year, Yahoo Mail had broken javasript buttons (Opera-only; they were sending a bad javascript). Or not use Gmail at all? (Gmail doesn't support Opera). I like the Gmail interface, should I refuse not use it and log in until they fix it? Or should I not use CFC because it looks so ugly:

That's how it looks always with Opera? Too bad. What's the reason?

Javascript is completely useless. There isn't a single thing you can't do with css you can do with javascript. And If every page used valid html/css scripts, there would be no problems at all. I think it only shows lack of skill of the creator of web pages if the pages use IE only script.

Thats the problem, browsers like opera and firefox have a very small portion of the market share.

6% may be small, but it is far from negligible.

6% may be small, but it is far from negligible.
True, but it ticks me off how some websites(Microsoft.com:hmm: )don't support firefox while they support netscape! Firefox probably has more users than netscape.

Unfortunantely I must deal with those pages. From May 2003 (when I downloaded 7.11) to June 2004, for a whole year, Yahoo Mail had broken javasript buttons (Opera-only; they were sending a bad javascript). Or not use Gmail at all? (Gmail doesn't support Opera). I like the Gmail interface, should I refuse not use it and log in until they fix it? Or should I not use CFC because it looks so ugly:
Is there an user error? :crazyeye: Here's how CFC looks on my browser (Opera 7.51):

Is there an user error? :crazyeye: Here's how CFC looks on my browser (Opera 7.51):
The Post Reply doesn't look that bad, but the "Edit Signature" page looks terrible - that's where I got the pic from. I'm using Opera 7.52, so It shouldn't be that different...