There are about 11 days left until MLB's trade deadline :eek: . What teams
should be the big players in the trades? What teams are pretenders and
what teams are contenders in your opinion? :confused: :scan: Who should
go where?

For example: My Phillies can't shake the rest of the division, should they go
looking for another solid starter? Maybe Benson from Pittsburgh. ;)

The Yankees need another starter for playoffs---Randy Johnson???

etc....

The Mets, if Scott Erickson cannot do well, need a 5th starter, but they could probably try Yates or Griffiths again, or numerous minor leaguers.

The Yankees needing another starter is true, but I hope they don't get one.

No comment on the Red Sox.

The Mets, if Scott Erickson cannot do well, need a 5th starter, but they could probably try Yates or Griffiths again, or numerous minor leaguers.

The Yankees needing another starter is true, but I hope they don't get one.

No comment on the Red Sox.

Is Nomar going or staying :confused: Erickson's best days are long gone. :(

The Mets need to make a serious push for a top line starter to make any type of push in the playoffs. A 4th or 5th starter just ain't going to get them anywhere in the playoffs.

Trachsel is a good pitcher, but not someone I want on the hill in the third game of a playoff.
And getting rid of John Franco or relegating him to a mop up role would also increase the Mets chances of success.

The Mets need to make a serious push for a top line starter to make any type of push in the playoffs. A 4th or 5th starter just ain't going to get them anywhere in the playoffs.
I think that their starting pitching, excluding the 5th pitcher, is good enough with Leiter's 0.65 ERA at home, and like 2 ERA overall, and Glavine with similar numbers. A forth or fifth starter won't get them anywhere in the playoffs, but would help get them to the playoffs. Trachsel is a good enough pitcher that he stands a reasonable chanse in the playoffs with his experience.

Definately not get rid of John Franco! He is already in a relatively minor role, but he is the captain of the Mets!

I worry about Jae Seo.

I think that their starting pitching, excluding the 5th pitcher, is good enough with Leiter's 0.65 ERA at home, and like 2 ERA overall, and Glavine with similar numbers. A forth or fifth starter won't get them anywhere in the playoffs, but would help get them to the playoffs. Trachsel is a good enough pitcher that he stands a reasonable chanse in the playoffs with his experience.

Definately not get rid of John Franco! He is already in a relatively minor role, but he is the captain of the Mets!

I worry about Jae Seo.

I'm not content with just making the playoffs (obviously), but rather making it to the WS, and hopefully paying the Yanks back from the last subway WS. ;) I'm still not sold on Trachsel being able to win big games against quality ball clubs, hence the reason why I want another top line starter (preferably a righty).
Regarding Franco, I think I speak on behalf of most Mets fans when I say I cringe every time he gets up in the bullpen. Yes, he's taken on a reduced role. But he still ends up in games that are on the line. And adding DeJean to the mix doesn't help all that much, if anything, it's probably helping the opposing hitters !
You're not the only one who worries when Seo's out there. ;)

Franco lost last night in relief :eek: :( . I heard again today that my Phils

are looking at picking up Benson (Pitt) :goodjob: . He starts today for them

so I am anxious to see how sharpe he is :scan: . The Phils are back tied

for 1st w/ the Braves after beating them last night in extra innings!

:D ;) :thumbsup: [dance] :clap: . Funny how you guys were just

discussing Franco yesterday.?! :crazyeye:

I'm sure these Mets fans are sure excited about seeing another superstar being bought by the Yankees. Frustrating, isn't it? :lol: :rolleyes:

Being a Nomar fan, I wouldn't mind seeing him shipped to the N.L. so I can see him play more. I heard the Cubs are interested in him.

Franco lost last night in relief :eek: :( . I heard again today that my Phils

are looking at picking up Benson (Pitt) :goodjob: . He starts today for them

so I am anxious to see how sharpe he is :scan: . The Phils are back tied

for 1st w/ the Braves after beating them last night in extra innings!

:D ;) :thumbsup: [dance] :clap: . Funny how you guys were just

discussing Franco yesterday.?! :crazyeye:

It's always a nightmare nowadays for Mets fans when Franco comes in. It's like playing Russian roulette, but with 5 bullets instead of 1.

I'm sure these Mets fans are sure excited about seeing another superstar being bought by the Yankees. Frustrating, isn't it? :lol: :rolleyes:



It's actually not frustrating to me at all. The Mets have tried to buy players too, but usually the players they buy end up sucking when they come to NY.
:shakehead

It's actually not frustrating to me at all. The Mets have tried to buy players too, but usually the players they buy end up sucking when they come to NY.
:shakehead

heh, well the Mets look pretty good this year, I hear Reyes is off the DL too. :)

It's always a nightmare nowadays for Mets fans when Franco comes in. It's like playing Russian roulette, but with 5 bullets instead of 1.
*Sigh* He would make a good bullpen coach too...
It's actually not frustrating to me at all. The Mets have tried to buy players too, but usually the players they buy end up sucking when they come to NY.
*sighsigh2002sighsigh*

In my eyes, the Mets got lucky in 2000 even making the WS, because the Diamondbacks beat the Braves in the Divison Series. I knew that the Mets could beat the Diamondbacks, just not the Braves. ;)

Still, I'm a Red Sox fan too, so I really want the Yankees to somehow screw themselves over.

What do you guys think the Astros should do? Fire-sale or keep at it with

the players they have now. They can deal Kent & Beltran and probably get

some great prospects ;) . I also heard Delgado may go to Dodgers :eek: .

Benson had a great game pitching, maybe the Phils can get him. I also heard

the Phils were trying to trade M Byrd for S Finley from Arizona ;) . That

would be :cool: .

If I was the Astros, I'd go on a firesale. Too much of their best talent is going to retire soon, and they arent making the playoffs this year. time to re-tool.
Im hoping my Indians can shore up the bullpen. They can score runs and pitch just about as well as anybody, but they always blow it in the 8th. The AL Central is weak, so if they win 7 of 10 or something, they can take the lead.

If I was the Astros, I'd go on a firesale. Too much of their best talent is going to retire soon, and they arent making the playoffs this year. time to re-tool.
Im hoping my Indians can shore up the bullpen. They can score runs and pitch just about as well as anybody, but they always blow it in the 8th. The AL Central is weak, so if they win 7 of 10 or something, they can take the lead.

@ Matt- I agree about the Astros ;) . The Indians A-ball team in Kinston,NC

is about 20 minutes from my house, I have seen alot of their current players

play there including V Martinez, one of my favorites :D :cool: :goodjob: .

They are pretty good this year too easily winning the 1st half of the season!

Maybe the Indians might could get Urbina but he might be expensive. :(

Although Phils and A's have always been my favorite teams, I :love: to pull

for the Indians nowadays due to seeing so many Kinston games :D . Wedge

used to coach there too> :)

V Martinez is a beast. I think that Urbina is too expensive...but I think we should be able to raid the bullpen of say, the Brewers or the Royals, and get a decent lefty. I havent started looking at names yet.

V Martinez is a beast. I think that Urbina is too expensive...but I think we should be able to raid the bullpen of say, the Brewers or the Royals, and get a decent lefty. I havent started looking at names yet.


Hardly any lefties available :confused: , except the 'Unit', not even relievers.

P. Gamons says Houston still think they are in it :crazyeye: , we'll see :scan:

For the Astros, KEEP BELTRAN! Biggio, Ausmus, and Bagwell will probably retire so you need to keep any young talent you can.

And we;re only 6 games out of the wildcard, thats not unmakeable ;)

For the Astros, KEEP BELTRAN! Biggio, Ausmus, and Bagwell will probably retire so you need to keep any young talent you can.

And we;re only 6 games out of the wildcard, thats not unmakeable ;)
No one thinks the Pirates are in it though. Last I checked they were 7 games out. (I know they are further out now, but you get the point)

No one thinks the Pirates are in it though. Last I checked they were 7 games out. (I know they are further out now, but you get the point)

The pirates are trying to get rid of Benson, Mesa and others :( . It seems

THEY don't think they are in it :crazyeye: :confused: , but I get your point.

;)

The Astros have old guys and Clemens & Pettite, they wont give up on it until theyve been mathematically eliminated.

I don't care what happens so long as randy stays in AZ. I will admit he would get to 250 wins a lot faster with another team(he has WAY too many losses for how well he has pitched) but he'd just about the only thing worth watching right now in AZ. This team is just BAD, blame it on injuries if you like but I'm going to blame it on the worst trade in the diamondbacks short history which was: D-backs starting lineup - finley and gonzo, plus curt schilling, for richie sexson(who is injured), choate(who sucks), and fossum(who sucks). WHAT A TRADE! Especially considering the fact that overbay is just tearing it up this year. Why on earth they decided to get rid of counsell spivey overbay schilling and others is just beyond me. With schilling in there and if overbay was playing like he has so far we could have a serious contending team this year. And of course you always like your chances in the playoffs with schill and randy...

Don't worry boston, randy isn't going to NY without at least a 3 team trade which would have to involve the parting of a LOT of talent from NY.

Being a fantasy baseball player, I also feel the D-back's pain of losing Sexson for practically the whole year. Considering who they gave up for him, this was a big loss for them. The best bet they have is to trade Randy for some good young talent, in my opinion. Randy's going to retire in a year or two anyway.

Randy is the only thing selling tickets in AZ right now. He may be expensive but the young talent we have is good so it's probably not worth it to give away the teams profitability just to get more. Not to mention finley will probably be gone soon and gonzo is going to have season ending surgery so there REALLY won't be anything to watch if randy goes.

Did anyone see randy today? He was AWESOME. No runs, no walks, 6 H, 14K, in 8 innings, and the bullpen blows his win AGAIN...

Finley is wanted in Philadelphia and Florida :eek: . Gamons seems to think

Florida has the better chance(better prospects)and if they don't get him

they may get L Walker. The Phils do not have a backup plan if they don't

get Finley :( . They are still trying for Benson too ;) , I hope they can snag

him :D . The Yanks need a starter BAD :confused: , Contreras really blew

yesterday :thumbdown , the Unit would be the icing on the cake for them!!!

If the Yankees get the unit, Im going to throw up.

If the Yankees get the unit, Im going to throw up.

:lol: :rotfl: :D , what a nightmare for the Red Sox :cry: . Matt, you might

better get a bucket ready though, it seems George S has his sights directly

on him :scan: :vomit:

not just a nightmare for the red sox, (Im not really a red sox fan per say...Im a indians, Reds and Cubs guy), but a nightmare for the great game of baseball. whats the point of the NL West anymore? the Yankees can just turn the whole darn divsion into their own private farm system, (since they dont take time to develop their own prospects). The dodgers have deep pockets, but suck. but if any other team their develops gets a good player, the yankees will try to gobble them up.

Can you imagine a team, for example, of ex-expos?
The Unit, Pedro, Vlad, Walker, etc.

the stupid yankees kill small market teams, and are ruining baseball.
I've got my bucket ready. and my remote, ready to switch to college football

At least Boston is trying to even the balance of power...

My remote stays where it is; I want to see the new Yankees mess up under the pressure.

heh, well they can't mess up under pressure as bad as the Red Soxs do.

Yes, the Yankees are atop my hate list. If they get Randy, it'll be the end of the season.

The yanks will still have some weak spots-- middle relief, injuries and lack
of quality subs :scan: , Boston will still give them a tough run ;) .

The yanks will still have some weak spots-- middle relief, injuries and lack
of quality subs :scan: , Boston will still give them a tough run ;) .

Flash Gordon is an all-star, and Rivera is dominant, they're better than the average team. Don't know what to say about the injuries, but they'll probably find some no-name to hit the clutch home-run in the 9th.

As for Boston, they're going down hill. How many games are they behind the Yanks? :mischief:

I think its 7 1/2 now, but they are certainly within striking distance of the AL WIldcard, thanks to the AL Central tanking

Flash Gordon is an all-star, and Rivera is dominant, they're better than the average team. Don't know what to say about the injuries, but they'll probably find some no-name to hit the clutch home-run in the 9th.

As for Boston, they're going down hill. How many games are they behind the Yanks? :mischief:

Flash only pitches the 8th inning, then the Hand of G comes in to finish. I
was speaking of middle relief where I think they are weak ;) . Giambi is still
weak, Jeter has a broken bone in his hand and Sheffield has shoulder
problems :eek: ---could all become problems. Boston's not going downhill,
they have been playing poorly but they may get hot!?! :scan:

I bet Giambi has cancer or something from all the 'roids he's been popping.
the sad thing about the yankees is, that even if those three go on the DL, they can still potentailly score 7 runs without much difficulty

I bet Giambi has cancer or something from all the 'roids he's been popping.
the sad thing about the yankees is, that even if those three go on the DL, they can still potentailly score 7 runs without much difficulty

The docs said it wasn't cancer, but how would WE know :confused: . You
are probably correct that the roids are the root of the problem :goodjob: .
They DO score alot of runs although there is little speed on the team-
Lofton old and Jeter not running much- but mostly they trot around the bases
anyway :mischief: .

exactly. when you can hit the ball like that...who needs to run?

If the Red Soxs give up Nomar, they'll have to battle for the Wild Card; if not, they still might have a chance at catching New York.

Being a Giants fan, I wouldn't want to see him go to the Dodgers.

If the Red Soxs give up Nomar, they'll have to battle for the Wild Card; if not, they still might have a chance at catching New York.

Being a Giants fan, I wouldn't want to see him go to the Dodgers.

If Nomar goes- so do the Red Sox :rolleyes: . You should be a Rockies fan,
;) , considering your name :D . I think the Red Sox can't win without Nomar,
with him they SHOULD be able to win the wild card :scan: .

If Nomar goes- so do the Red Sox :rolleyes: . You should be a Rockies fan,
;) , considering your name :D . I think the Red Sox can't win without Nomar,
with him they SHOULD be able to win the wild card :scan: .

Yep, I agree with you on the Nomar situation.

Yeah, my name can be deceiving, but I'm still a Giants fan. Not a big fan of the Rockies team as a whole. :)

not too many fans of the rockies team as a whole for that matter. they suck. what, 1 playoff apperence since '94? I hear they might be having a firesale, canning all the good players

not too many fans of the rockies team as a whole for that matter. they suck. what, 1 playoff apperence since '94? I hear they might be having a firesale, canning all the good players

I've only heard of Walker leaving, what else have you heard? :scan:

Helton is the only player I would want from that team, maybe Chacon. ;)

Helton is the only player I would want from that team, maybe Chacon. ;)

Chacón even with his 7.27 ERA and 7 Blown Saves?

I heard walker, Helton, Castilla and Estes actually

Chacón even with his 7.27 ERA and 7 Blown Saves?

Tough pitching in Colorado, especially if you do not get many innings, he is

still a good pitcher. Do you not think so?

I heard walker, Helton, Castilla and Estes actually

I would pass on Castilla and Estes :mischief: , but where have you heard
Helton might be going? Very interesting!!! :scan:

Tough pitching in Colorado, especially if you do not get many innings, he is still a good pitcher. Do you not think so?

True, that Colorado is a "hitters park". But that is a high era for a closer?
Also, most of those Blown Saves happened on the road.

It seems the only place Johnson is willing to go is the Yankees :eek: , even

though the Angels would have alot more talent to trade to AZ :confused: .

I have also heard the Mets may trade Leiter and Glavine, they both are solid,

proven and experienced post-season pitchers ;) . Benson, who the Phils

want, didn't look nearly as sharpe as he has lately :scan: .

I heard Helton actually

Really? Where might he go? :D

leiter would be nice for any team...he's a gamer for sure.

colorado is looking to trade helton?! he's a beast.

what about preston wilson? i heard he's on the choppin' block in Colo, too.

benson is overrated IMO.

Yeah, Benson isn't that great, but there really isn't any better pitcher on the trading block.

I heard it on one of the ohio talk radio networks...the dodgers were interested I think. I doubt its going to happen though

Yeah, Benson isn't that great, but there really isn't any better pitcher on the trading block.

i agree (outside of the Unit of course)

I don't think that there is enough pitching in the league to go around. Just ask the Mets. They ended up sending Todd Zeile to pitch because their bullpen was too overworked, and that bullpen has some good names, like Stanton. :crazyeye:

I wish they still had the bullpen of the 1999 season. Benitez, Franco, Wendell, Cook, etc.

I don't think that there is enough pitching in the league to go around. Just ask the Mets. They ended up sending Todd Zeile to pitch because their bullpen was too overworked, and that bullpen has some good names, like Stanton. :crazyeye:

I wish they still had the bullpen of the 1999 season. Benitez, Franco, Wendell, Cook, etc.

yeah, that was a nice 'pen. zeile pitched recently? :eek:

ths press in philly has been clamoring for the phils to make a move. for what though? benson? no thanks.

@dgfred
the phils should move polanco and let the kid Utley play every day. he's a 'playa.

do you watch them on satellite down there?

they just can't beat those dang marlins. last night's game was pathetic.

yeah, that was a nice 'pen. zeile pitched recently?
On Tuesday's 19-10 loss they sent him to pitch. He allowed 5 runs. But he had a better ERA than some other pitchers in that game. :D

EDIT: My 10,000,000,001st post! In binary. :rolleyes:

yeah, that was a nice 'pen. zeile pitched recently? :eek:

ths press in philly has been clamoring for the phils to make a move. for what though? benson? no thanks.

@dgfred
the phils should move polanco and let the kid Utley play every day. he's a 'playa.

do you watch them on satellite down there?

they just can't beat those dang marlins. last night's game was pathetic.

Zeile pitched in the blowout by Montreal :eek: . I think he was trying to
throw knuckleballs :crazyeye: . I don't think Benson would help much but
they need somebody :confused: . Utley is a 'playa'- he can REALLY hit ;) .
Now that Bell is out of his hot streak I might play Polanco in his spot :scan: .
I don't see them play very much but follow VERY closely always :D . If you
really look at it the Phils can't beat anybody in the division consistantly, but
the Marlins really have their number :cry: .

Zeile wasn't throwing knuckle balls, they were flutterballs. It's another name for a change-up. :D

Zeile with a nice 45.00 ERA in that game.
Marlins do have Phils number (12 wins in a row in Miami, 9-1 for season). The Marlins need to pick up another bat to help out, since they lost both Pudge and D. Lee. The last 4 games of the season the Marlins are playing the Phils, this might really help the Marlins and hurt the Phils. It seems like no one in the NL East can run away with division.

Zeile wasn't throwing knuckle balls, they were flutterballs. It's another name for a change-up. :D

To have a change-up you have to have a fastball :crazyeye: :mischief: .

To have a change-up you have to have a fastball :crazyeye: :mischief: .
That's why they are called flutterballs, because it doesn't change off of anything.

Maybe the change-ups were changing off of the other pitcher's pitches? :crazyeye:

That's why they are called flutterballs, because it doesn't change off of anything.

Maybe the change-ups were changing off of the other pitcher's pitches? :crazyeye:

I'm not sure but I do know the ball got knocked lopsided :D :lol: .

I'm not sure but I do know the ball got knocked lopsided :D :lol: .
Him pitching an inning allowed the much maligned bullpen some rest. That might have led to the Mets win yesterday.

Him pitching an inning allowed the much maligned bullpen some rest. That might have led to the Mets win yesterday.


You might be right ;) . I would let him pitch as much as Franco :p .

You might be right ;) . I would let him pitch as much as Franco :p .
I think that Franco is just a spiritual leader and a bullpen coach that comes in whenever Art Howe wants to "work the numbers" on a lefty-lefty matchup when Stanton has already been used. (not that he's much better :p)

DiJean and Looper are just about the only potent relievers they have.

i love it when position players take the hill :banana:

will houston trade carlos beltrán?

i love it when position players take the hill :banana:

will houston trade carlos beltrán?

They seem to be getting hot but I don't know if they can afford to sign him
for next year :confused: . He may just be a rent-a-player. The Astros are
my daughters favorite team ;) .

Did you happen to see where the Marlins whupped my Phils AGAIN last night
in the rain? I think that is like 13 in a row at home vs Phils for them :cry: .
They were doing stupid stuff like swinging at 3-0 pitches and 2-0 pitches
with runners on 2nd and 3rd w/ NO outs :crazyeye: , the pitches were not
even strikes :wallbash:

yes. i watched the whole game and endured 2 rain delays. what a joke. the 'sillies' aren't going anywhere this yr. it's a shame, too. i blame much of it on that rinky-dink, bandbox of a stadium they now play in. granted, it's all nice and shiny & new and all but they need to do something about the ball flyin out of that place. it's like coors field east.

i never thought i'd say this but i wish they still played at the vet. :eek:

i went there for the 1st time a few weeks back.

no kidding.

If they don't make it this year with ALL the talent they have, I still think they
have one of the best all-around teams :mischief: , Bowa will get the AXE. He
is one of my "good-ol-days" heroes :( .

yeah, bowa would be on the hotseat if they don't make the playoffs.

let's hope that pile-o-poop millwood starts pitching as advertized down the stretch. (he's been OK lately, but OK ain't gonna win ya any pennants)

The Phillies also need Myers to perform better too. Padilla's coming off the DL soon, I think. Good news for them.

The Phillies also need Myers to perform better too. Padilla's coming off the DL soon, I think. Good news for them.

yeah, myers has been spotty at best. he was much better last yr; 16 wins i think. getting padilla back (aug 12) should be a boost. he has the best arm on the staff for sure.

there's been talk in the philly papers of firing kerrigan (the pitching coach) and today the Phila Daily News reported that there is discension in the clubhouse after bowa reportedlly said he was "embarassed" by the recent play. ouch

I was 'embarrased' too last night :blush: . Bad luck or the other team's good
play is one thing, but stupid play is another :mad: .

I was 'embarrased' too last night :blush: . Bad luck or the other team's good
play is one thing, but stupid play is another :mad: .

Not as embarrased as I am over thurs day game :blush: :cry: :thumbdown .
I guess they are going 'in the tank', Braves are on a big confidence roll :eek: .

Another brilliant move by Cubs G.M. Jim Hendry. A four team deal-
Cubs get-Nomar Garciaparra
RedSox get-Orlando Cabrera, Doug Mientkiewicz
Expos get-Alex Gonzalez, prospects
Twins get-prospects

The Cubs didn't have to give up Matt Clement or any major leaguers to get Nomar. I really hope the Cubs can sign him beyond this year.
Now the Cubs lineup will be-

Todd Walker
Nomar Garciaparra
Sammy Sosa
Moises Alou
Aramis Ramirez
Derrek Lee
Corey Patterson
Michael Barrett
:goodjob:

WHAT? THE SOX TRADED NOMAR? WHAT THE HELL??
Normar WAS the Sox. they traded their mojo. I wash my hands of this team

As a Sox fan, you ahd to expect Nomar to go, and they did relatively well for having 2 months left of him. My as well get soemthing for him now, because he said he wasn't going to resign, and of course, the dam Yanks won't get him. I know Cabrera has a bum bat, but at least he give thjem another Pokey Reese type defense. In other news, Contreras for Loiaza, what were the White Sox thinking?

Did the Dodger do good or bad. They got B Penny(0 runs allowed) last night
and S Finley but lost Mota, LaDuca and J Encarnacion. They were also trying
to get C Johnson from Colo. but instead got B Mayne :crazyeye: . These
moves were intended to get Randy Johnson but the deal fell through :rolleyes: . Although many are questioning the moving of Mota and
LaDuca and team chemistry--did they throw away their chances or improve
their position? What do you guys think?

Sidenote: Braves finally lost and my Phils picked up a game on them :D .

Penny seemed to hurt his arm yesterday and was in great pain :wow: :cringe: . Maybe the Marlins were extra smart in
that deal :rolleyes: :scan: .