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Epimethius
Jul 23, 2004, 12:00 PM
The People's Delegation

Our Doctrine

As this nation, and this game, are a democracy, the people's delegation has made it their/his goal to gurantee that the actions of the government are the true will of the people, and to ensure that the government does not fall into the hands of isolated, autocratic oligarchs. The people's delegation also commits itself to the wellbeing of its citizens, and their hapiness, which should be the first priority of the state. Our statesmen are not to act on their own, for their own benefit, but are to act for the people, even if it conflicts with their own opinions. A delegation member should, whenever faced with a difficult decision, turn to the people and find out their opinion via a poll. Though a delegation member may have been elected to make the decisions, he/she should turn to the people whenever possible. The delegation is commited to ensuring that this is a democracy game, and to making sure that it caters to those who are merely citizens, rather than those who are veteran ministers.

Our Goals

1. To make the common citizens of Japanatica as happy as possible.
2. To guard against oppression of the citizens of Japanatica.
3. To make the citizens of Japanatica the happiest in the world.
4. To ensure that the will of the people is always upheld.
5. To ensure that the citizens of the demogame retain their power and are not overshadowed by politicians.
6. To ensure that the demogame remains as democratic as possible.
7. To ensure that every citizen has an equal chance of gaining a place in the government, no matter how new they may be.

In other words, the People's Delegation is commited to make the common man as happy as possible in the game. In the forum, its for making sure that all important decisions are done by poll, rather than by some executive, and to try and get new people into the game rather than the small number of incumbants.

Members

Any citizen may be a member of the delegation; they may be warmongerers or pacifists, capitalist or communist, so long as they agree with the doctrine. All citizens will be supported in their run for office on the assumption that once in office they will serve the people, not their own interests. Entering and leaving can be done freely, and at this time there is no real organizational structure.
Epimethius
Immortal
msz4
mhcarver
curufinwe
DaveShack
CivGeneral
FierCanadian
SniperDevil
Stuck_As_a_Mac
Nate128
blackheart
Sarevok
Bootstoots
Civman2004
MSTK
LeeT911
Civanator
Superpelon
classical_hero
comnenus
vizurok
GeZe
BlueNine
ali
snipelfritz
ScythofDeath
Dominik

Immortal
Jul 23, 2004, 12:01 PM
I am so in.

msz4
Jul 23, 2004, 01:00 PM
The People's Delegation have beautifull goals, somewhat populistic but i'm in (if i can)

mhcarver
Jul 23, 2004, 01:05 PM
Sign me up

Curufinwe
Jul 23, 2004, 02:29 PM
Looks good. I'll join.

DaveShack
Jul 23, 2004, 03:44 PM
I will join this noble cause, and if elected President I plan to follow its principles.

When I first joined the Demogame community in DG3, some of the established leaders of the time took special care to encourage new people to run for office, and enthusastically supported me when I self-nominated for Science Advisor. I have taken every opportunity since then to push for a leadership which has a mixture of old-timers and new faces. :D

CivGeneral
Jul 23, 2004, 03:50 PM
I would like to join this citizens group.

Epimethius
Jul 23, 2004, 06:13 PM
Welcome to all new members. This is obviously a lot like PEEDS, except that PEEDS focuses on more than this and is RP. This, on the other hand, is simply to make sure that the people are always represented in the forum, and are happy in the game.

Fier Canadien
Jul 23, 2004, 06:25 PM
I am willing to join this group, and be sure that I will apply such principles to any position I will be elected to.

SniperDevil
Jul 24, 2004, 07:45 AM
Im in. Make me happy!

Stuck_as_a_Mac
Jul 24, 2004, 08:47 AM
I'll join. And I have to say soemthing more since its less than 10

Nate128
Jul 24, 2004, 08:58 AM
Can you sign me up

blackheart
Jul 24, 2004, 11:43 AM
I wish to join too.

Fier Canadien
Jul 24, 2004, 04:56 PM
Epithemius, you forgot to add me, i'm so sad :lol:

Epimethius
Jul 24, 2004, 07:11 PM
Well, you've been added in your proper place in the order. Sorry about that.

Sarevok
Jul 24, 2004, 08:16 PM
Why not? Ill join.

Bootstoots
Jul 24, 2004, 11:59 PM
Sounds like a good group. I'll sign up.

Civman2004
Jul 26, 2004, 02:37 AM
count me in! :)

MSTK
Jul 26, 2004, 02:57 AM
Can I join as a lurking delegate?

LeeT911
Jul 26, 2004, 05:45 PM
I would like to be a part of this as well.

Civanator
Jul 26, 2004, 08:30 PM
I guess I'll join!

Epimethius
Jul 26, 2004, 09:47 PM
Welcome to all our new members. This is growing surprisingly quikly. Huzzah!

Before I say anything else, I would just like to say that this is not, nor will ever be, a political party.

I would like, however, to ask all members to vote for those who have made it a major part of their platform to give the people as much power as possible in their job. This is the basis of the People's Delegation, so I think that it is reasonable to ask that those who joined vote for those who have adopted the Delegation's doctrine as their own. I'm not too sure who those people are myself, so I'd like them to post here. I'm obviously one of them, but there should be a good number of other people who, with your votes, would give as much of their power to the people as possible.

superpelon
Jul 27, 2004, 02:22 AM
Superpelon will join this gruop

"EL PUEBLO!! UNIDO!! JAMAS SERA VENCIDO!!"

Civman2004
Jul 27, 2004, 03:07 AM
Citizens,

I would like to propose that the people's delegation actively support the introduction of preferential voting. I believe that the current system is not as completely democratic as it could be, an example below

Candidate A believes in tactic A
Candidates B, C and D believe in slight variations of tactic B

Under the current system, everyone votes for their preferred option. Let's say the outcome is as follows:
A: 12 votes
B: 3 votes
C: 7 votes
D: 11 votes
Total 33 votes

The result is that candidate A wins, even though his/her preferred tactic is the preferred tactic of only 36% of voters (the actuality may be more or less extreme than this).

I quote goal 6. "To ensure that the demogame remains as democratic as possible."

I ask you, fellow citizens, is this as democratic as possible?!?!?!?!

If I make no sense, feel free to hit me over the head and I'll try to clarify

Provolution
Jul 27, 2004, 03:18 AM
Well , there is a ban on political parties and people vote for the candidate, not for the party or the tactic, yet, the tactic gives an idea of problem solving skills.

Civman2004
Jul 27, 2004, 03:24 AM
The tactic may be a bad example. I'll try another:

10 people wish to research Pottery, then Bronze Working, then Iron Working
10 people with to research Bronze Working, then Iron Working, then Pottery
11 people wish to research Ceremonial Burial, then Horseback Riding, then Pottery

The wish of the people is that 3 techs onwards, we have Pottery, Bronze Working and Iron Working. This is what the majority wants. What happens, however, is that we start researching Ceremonial Burial, then we research Horseback riding (as it will win the second vote 11-10-10 against Bronze Working and Pottery, then Pottery (as it wins 21-10 against Bronze Working)

msz4
Jul 27, 2004, 06:19 AM
You're to late with your manifest Civman2004 :p I voted already. So many polls and everywhere are standing the same people. I think it's unfair. In my opinion one citizen should be able to be candidate on one position

classical_hero
Jul 27, 2004, 08:19 AM
I want to be a member too.

Epimethius
Jul 27, 2004, 05:57 PM
I intend to use preferential voting for city site selection, though only because it not only gives what to settle, but also the order. I think its a bit complex to use for everything.

And pretty much any citizen group with a forum political agenda is a lobby or party. :p

Comnenus
Jul 27, 2004, 10:17 PM
I would also like to join this group. Although I am probably more of an elitist monarchist by nature, I will work with the members to be a democratist, in the game at least. :D

Vizurok
Jul 30, 2004, 04:37 PM
Your goals are great! I would like to join to this community to make our nation better together... :D

GeZe
Jul 30, 2004, 04:59 PM
Sign-me up, Scotty!

BlueNine
Jul 30, 2004, 06:47 PM
Count me in ;)

RoboPig
Aug 09, 2004, 10:46 AM
Put me on the list.

ali
Aug 15, 2004, 06:24 AM
Yea this looks great im all for power to the people...socialism in democracy is great!!!.......sign me up im looking to run for public office so go FREEDOM!!! abloish social classes!!

regards ali

RoboPig
Aug 15, 2004, 11:18 PM
Actually take me off the list. I've signed up for so many citizen groups that I can not keep track of all of them

snipelfritz
Aug 15, 2004, 11:23 PM
I just noticed this group. This is what the demogame should be about. Sign me up.

ScytheofDeath
Aug 16, 2004, 05:30 PM
Count me in as well.

Dominik
Aug 28, 2004, 06:21 PM
Im definetly in, this group should be the representative of all the people to the President.

invy
Aug 29, 2004, 05:43 AM
Sign me up!

Justinian I
Sep 01, 2004, 09:07 PM
Um...so are you actually going to endorse a candidate, and if so, how would you decide (assuming you can maneuver around the whole abolition of political parties, or change the law...) who to support? I like it, but so far I don't see any opposition...I think I'll wait to join for now!

Epimethius
Sep 02, 2004, 05:46 PM
Unfortunately, anti-partisan rules make it sort of hard for us to do anything. But I could start trying to get us more passively involved with links to polls or something.

Civanator
Sep 02, 2004, 06:31 PM
I'm out of this group.