Opening the thread for all these things. I lack any artistic talent so Im depending on you talented individuals to give us some good choices :)

We need Fionn and Plexus here.

Is it that time of the year again? :p

Well, what symbols to use...
Eastern Dragons, Katanas, "standard" Japanese Temples?

And for a flag, maybe something that resembles Japans flag? Both the modern one and the earlier one (pre-WW2) maybe?

if I were to pick a motto it would be

"If I happen to die, please take this hat off of my head"

Here's the flag:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DG5_CT_flag2_small1.gif (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DG5_CT_flag2.gif)


And the origanal file (http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DG5_CT_flag_orig.pcx) (PCX image format).

(Notice the CFC red)

Hmm...looks good so far! Perhaps another sword going the other way, or some sort of weapon (to create an "X"). And then maybe our motto we decide upon curved around the center circle (yet behind the weapon[s])?

I'll make one right now! :)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DG5_CT_flag_v2_small.gif

What about something simple?

A bit like CT's picture above (the modern Japanese flag), but remove the katana and put in something that says it's the fifth demogame. Something like five stars, or anything like that.

As for the sceal, I don't have any idea.

yeah, why not add five stars to the circumference of the centre circle?

Chieftess; have you got the katana's in some file ? if you do, please upload.
And if you can, please morph my flag into a flag shape ...

P.S. colors can be easily changed. I just chose blue and gold as example.

Here's another.


http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DG5_CT_flag_v3_jpg.jpg






The katana was from here:
http://laguna.dajoob.com/Images/Render-Katana-00.png

thanks 8910

Here ya go. The little monkeys can represent our religion/philosophy and the Katana can represent our miliaristic trait. :)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Japflag1.jpg

I say CT's Katana, Yellow Star'ed Japanese flag

It is very impressive. I like it too.

Another attempt:

How about having the Rising Sun in the flag too? And maybe some of the Code of Bushido?

Here's the small flag version. (Don't know how to make it transparent without being speckled, though...

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DG5_CT_flag_v3_small.gif

Rik, if you're gonna do that, have the Swords going the same direction, ie. Counterclock-wise

Though I prefer the simplicity w/o the text....

Falc: your wish is my command.

You means this: ???

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/5_katanas_facing_the_same_way_small.jpg

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/5_katanas_facing_the_same_way_and_stars_small.jpg

Maybe makes the stars smaller, make them black and move them to the verticies of the swords?

What are verticies ?

Where the two swords meet. Make it so the point of the pentagon of stars is pointing up, not down.

so small black stars on where the swords meet with all 5 stars pointing upwards ?
What size must those stars be ? Blade-width or smaller or bigger ?

I officially hate this upload system. Though it does accept PNGs, which is nice.

I did these without reading a line of this thread. They're small versions, obviously, based off the old Japanese flag. The two colors are for the two possible colors we might be (Green, Burgundy if there are Aztecs).

http://free.one.picturehost.co.uk/Japanachika.bmp

And now with black stars on the verticies:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/verticies_small_stars_small.jpg

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/verticies_big_stars_small.jpg

bravo! Bello!

Those are quite nice Rik! I would say for the smaller stars, it looks neater! Once we get a number of potential flags, we can poll them...


See CT, not all flags have to be spotted :P

Considering the idea is that we're going to be a peaceful nation, aren't the swords a bit out of place? ;)

*still likes the flags he made in five minutes with paint*

Once we get a number of flags ?? I've already counted 13 proposals.

rik, great job with the black stars.
anyone feel like really incoperating Cycs monkeys... heh... monkeys...

No, leave it out of the flag. if I become the CJ that is going to be my judicial symbol. :lol:

Rik - with the last flag you made, maybe have the swords have a whitish glow to them?

it might just be me but i prefer gold stars to black stars.

I think I prefer the black, gold just doesn't seem to look right with the Japanese look of it.

Considering the idea is that we're going to be a peaceful nation, aren't the swords a bit out of place? ;)

*still likes the flags he made in five minutes with paint*
Lol, even though we're aiming to achieve victory, maybe this is possible ;) .
I like the flag Rik, but not the black or gold stars. How about white or red stars?

Lol, even though we're aiming to achieve victory, maybe this is possible ;) .
I like the flag Rik, but not the black or gold stars. How about white or red stars?

I think it would blend in too much with the "meatball" or white background... at least currently situated.

Wow! I like the last flag of riks with the larger black stars. I think it keeps the Japanese idea alive while adding a Demogame 5 touch.

Rik beat me to it with those last flags of his - it needs the larger stars though, at smaller flag sizes the small ones will merge in.

Another option might be to have all 5 swords crossing in the middle, the stars could be ranged in between them towards the edge of the circle or possibly outside

Rik - with the last flag you made, maybe have the swords have a whitish glow to them?

I wouldn't know how.
if you want to:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/verticies_big_stars.jpg

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/verticies_small_stars.jpg

Another option might be to have all 5 swords crossing in the middle, the stars could be ranged in between them towards the edge of the circle or possibly outside
I tried it, it doesn't look very nice; either they all meet in the middle, but then the CFC-red circle isn't divided into 10 equal sections, or you place them in such a way the circle is divided into 10 equal sections, but then they don't meet in the middle. The swords are arcs, not straight lines.

BTW, do we have a motto?

I suggest one:

"The Risk is our Friend" :D

I tried it, it doesn't look very nice; either they all meet in the middle, but then the CFC-red circle isn't divided into 10 equal sections, or you place them in such a way the circle is divided into 10 equal sections, but then they don't meet in the middle. The swords are arcs, not straight lines.

OK - I'll stick with your larger starred version then

I wouldn't know how.
if you want to:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/verticies_big_stars.jpg

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/verticies_small_stars.jpg


I tried it, it doesn't look very nice; either they all meet in the middle, but then the CFC-red circle isn't divided into 10 equal sections, or you place them in such a way the circle is divided into 10 equal sections, but then they don't meet in the middle. The swords are arcs, not straight lines.

Ok, you know how you pasted the swords? Make them a new layer, and put the swords in like you did. Then, use a filter (Photoshop has a layer effect tool) to give it an outer glow. Not sure about PSP7.

EDIT: Just tried it with PSP7 - doesn't work as well (and as easily) as with Photoshop, which I don't have. (I have it at work though).

so Far I like Chieftess flag

CT: I got PSP 6; and have found the glow options. Exactly what do you suggest ?
I do like the Bevell and Emboss on the katana's.

Example with glow & B+E (no starts, to keep it easy. I can include the stars later) :

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/glow.jpg

Wow. I think the glow really helps make the flag look cool. It kinda keeps the ancient feel of japan with a hot and sassy feel of the game :-D

I think I actually like the flag in post #46 the best. No stars, no words. Just the 5 swords representing DG5. Excellent work.

I like the stars only proposal. And as for the monkey flag, it should become the flag of the juicdury. After all, there are three posions on the bunch...

I like the stars only proposal. And as for the monkey flag, it should become the flag of the juicdury. After all, there are three posions on the bunch...

Actually, if we had chosen to go with the name Apathetica, the Monkey flag would have been appropriate. ;) Which proposal is stars only? Post #?

For Comparison:

Just glow:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/glow.jpg

Glow + small stars:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Glow_and_small_stars_small.jpg

Glow + big stars:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Glow_and_big_stars_small.jpg

BTW, do we have a motto?

I suggest one:

"The Risk is our Friend" :D

"Monkey See, Monkey Do."

That's a joke unless you really want it. I was thinking of Cyc's flag...

How about...

"We live to Die for our Country."

"The Will of the People, is the Will of the Samurai"

I have some proposal in discussion about flag. Maybe flag should V symbol on red circle (roman 5). Or even better 5 writed in kanji in the center of red circle. Five stars looks not so good. Flag looks like it is representing some satanistic cult. I don't like it. :nono:

Flag looks like it is representing some satanistic cult. I don't like it. :nono:

Just an offtopic note: the satanic pentagram has the head-point star on the bottom, not the top.

My reason for wanting the 5 stars, other than the fact it represents the fifth game of democracy is that the upward point of the star is representative of the spirit of our nation. While the other four points all represent an element; earth, air, fire, and water. All these things contibutite to life and are a part of our world, ourselves, and our nation.

Let's go with the classic.

"If at first you don't succeed, then skydiving is not for you."

My reason for wanting the 5 stars, other than the fact it represents the fifth game of democracy is that the upward point of the star is representative of the spirit of our nation. While the other four points all represent an element; earth, air, fire, and water. All these things contibutite to life and are a part of our world, ourselves, and our nation.

HAHAHAHA :lol: "upward point of the star is representative of the spirit of our nation" You yourself think up that rubbish? If I am one of your nation I don't want to be represented by any such stars :thumbdown:

Make a flag that YOU want then, if you dont like everyone else's work then do some yourself, kay?

:rolleyes:

HAHAHAHA :lol: "upward point of the star is representative of the spirit of our nation" You yourself think up that rubbish? If I am one of your nation I don't want to be represented by any such stars :thumbdown:

Immortal, he's just trying to tell you he's not star material. ;)

I like the "just glow" flag myself.

Make a flag that YOU want then, if you dont like everyone else's work then do some yourself, kay?

:rolleyes:

I'm not saying that your work is worthless. I don't like stars only :vomit:

How can I post my file with proposition of flag?

forget it; I wasn't reading ... dumb me. :blush:

How can I post my file with proposition of flag?

Use the file upload. Just look at the link in my sig.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/flagggg.JPG

Sorry for trouble :(

It has to be a GIF, PNG, or JPG file. And blah.PNG doesn't work. blah.png does.

It should work. Just read the directions very carefully.

Ok, here's what I'll do - Just send it to Chieftess -at- civfanatics.net
(the -at- = @ to avoid spam bots), and I'll post it.

BTW, some older browsers can't read the PNG format, and you have to compress the images in jpg.

My proposition is ugly but it's only paintbrush

If someone has a cool link to a beautiful "thingy" inside msz4; I can integrate it into my flags.
What is it, by the way? I guess it's "go" aka "5" ?

It reminds me of one of the Alphabet used in the game of Riven.

It reminds me of one of the Alphabet used in the game of Riven.

RIVEN!!!!

yeah it is kinda familiar.

The character in msz4's flag is the Japanese/Chinese (they use a lot of the same characters) symbol for "5".

Wow....just noticed this. :eek:

How about we have Rik's five swords with msz4's "5" symbol in the center of the circle(the symbol won't work with CT's :( )?

Can you make that happen sans the black stars, Rik? :D

yeah - I'd like to see this too - the 5 symbol would fill the empty space in the centre of the circle, the stars would no longer be required leaving a less fussy picture.

It could. I could just make it a larger font. In fact, I'll do that right now!

EDIT: It does obscure the swords a bit, but I could put it up top.

maybe put a gold outline on the black stars, then stars wont merge even on small flag hopefully. big stars are best though with the glow.

Cyc's monkeys are great too.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/glow_and_five.jpg

Well, the last one happens to be the best one I've seen! I'm getting a taste for sushi just looking at it.

I like Rik's lates one and the one with only the five swords.

it might just be me but i prefer gold stars to black stars.

I as well think gold is better. The black stars look so... photoshopped I guess. The gold ones make it look a little more official, like a real flag.

I personally like Chieftess'. The one with the two swords crossed over the red dot with five stars around it.

Motto?

This is part jest part real

Duplicity, Audacity, Velocity and Evolution

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/_f_l_a_g.jpg
I improved flag from post #77. I draw go symbol in paintbrush so it looks not so good :( so i'm adding link
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/5.GIF
there is notning but go symbol. Someone with better graphic editor could improve it.

What aabout a fivepointed red star with sunshine beams coming out from it, to signify both DG 5 and the Japanese Empire of the Sun Expansionism

Partly jest your motto may be provolution, but its the best (allbeit, only) motto tabled so far!

I now have a new favorite. Post #77

Post #82 is good also, its number's edges are too rough and the number seems a little too enlongated to me.

Cyc,

I agree with you, I would pick 77 as our flag, cleverly with the Japanese cipher for 5 in it.
IT is also sufficiently awe inspiring, without giving to much fascist connotations, with the traditional Katana "Pentagon" surrounding the rising sun. It must remain simplistic enough.
IT could also be a variation of the Saudi Arabian flag, with two Katanas crossed underneath and some Japanese text declaring our manifest destiny.

(I think I will make a variation of the national flag, post 77, for a military expeditionary flag) :)

I also agree with you 100 % on the Constitutional Amendment on the political parties ban, we could even use the Chinese example on how to go about this, as it is very close to the model we actually have in place.

I actually prefer the fluid caligraphy of #82, if the symbol were made a bit smaller and crisper. #77 now seems a bit rigid, even though it is exactly what I had requested. :D

I like #77 the best too. A separate military flag would be nice too.

Yes, I support a Rising Sun variety , please make a version on that

Any ideas on the military flag-layout? I want to improve on my Photoshop skills and these things help.

If anyone has a link to the caligraphy "Japanese 5" I can edit it in my way.

Why not use the japanese naval ensign for our military flag?

I think this looks really cool !!

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/glow_and_five_calli_copy.jpg

last proposition is great, but I think that "5" should be 'flat' like drawed by black ink.

I did that last one in mine, but didn't really like it (although, it was only an inside bevel - didn't find an outside one in PSP7 - That's PaintShop Pro Rik, not Photoshop. ;)). I like the caligraphy style in #77, too.

I agree with msz4 on the "texture" of the "go" symbol.

Personally, I like msz4's flag from post #82. The "5" looks like it was written with an actual brush while Rik Meleet's looks more 3-D.

Naval flag:

The circle is off-center in the naval flag.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/naval_flag.jpg

Speechless. What talented artists we have here!

Flattening them is a matter of seconds...

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/glow_and_five_calli_flat.jpg

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/naval_flag_flat.jpg

Woah! The rising sun in #99 blows me away. I would accept that as a national flag. Too bad the circle isn't centered. Wouldn't mind seeing it with the caligraphy in #77 either. Outstanding work.

In the Japanese navy flag, the circle isn't supposed to be centered.

Cyc

I concur

I would go for the Rising Sun 100 %, excellent work Rik, I think we should nominate Rik as the Official Heraldist of Japanatica, with Crests and everything. I go for the last one. Another Idea would be to add a stripe for each city we create, almost like the expansion of the USA and EU, with not yet another star, but another beam :)

On request of Ginger_Ale and Chieftess; the #99 naval flag; with the "5" of the normal flag.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/naval_flat_flag,_normal_style_copy.jpg

and the normal flag:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/glow_and_five_calli_flat.jpg

Chieftess

Tsugoi ii desu ne, Nihonshiki miema****a!

As a fellow Japanologist I agree on the Naval flag appraisal

Just a note - write all past tense verbs as mashi'ta. The auto-censor gets confused by Japanese...

Woah! The rising sun in #99 blows me away. I would accept that as a national flag. Too bad the circle isn't centered. Wouldn't mind seeing it with the caligraphy in #77 either. Outstanding work.

I think the offset rising sun gives it more dynamism. But it gets pretty cluttered looking keeping all the swords in. Maybe cut it down to just two?

Maybe two katanas crossed underneath, with a short text in Japanese

Me or Chieftess can make it

Amaterasu is great !

that would be a military/religious counterpart to the Saudi Arabian flag, and THAT would be entertaining in todays political landscape :) LOL

I'm all for post 103, except for maybe removing the pink outline from the "5"

I think this thread is also for a motto. How about something like

"Amaterasu deliver us from our enemies."

...or

"Purification of our homeland is our duty and our honor."

I think this thread is also for a motto. How about something like

"Amaterasu deliver us from our enemies."

...or

"Purification of our homeland is our duty and our honor."

That would be:

あまてらす様！敵からお溜いて下さい！

"Amaterasu sama! Kataki kara otamaite kudasai!"

(not sure on the verb, since it's more like to "collect", "gather" - still looking for the right word).

I think this thread is also for a motto. How about something like

"Amaterasu deliver us from our enemies."

...or

"Purification of our homeland is our duty and our honor."

That would be:

あまてらす様！敵からお助けて下さい！

"Amaterasu sama! Kataki kara okasukete kudasai!"

I think this thread is also for a motto. How about something like

"Amaterasu deliver us from our enemies."

...or

"Purification of our homeland is our duty and our honor."

That would be: (for the first one)

天照様！敵からお助けて下さい！

"Amaterasu sama! Kataki kara okasukete kudasai!"

That would be:

あまてらす様！敵からお溜いて下さい！

"Amaterasu sama! Kataki kara otamaite kudasai!"

(not sure on the verb, since it's more like to "collect", "gather" - still looking for the right word).

I think it is "oshiete kudasai"

good call Chieftess

I'm lost...

Thanks for the translations. My Japanese is limited to counting to five, and good morning, good afternoon and good night. Sad, isn't it? :(

Oh, and arigato, gozaimas.

i could drum up a flag, and seal by sunday if you want me to continue the tradition. :)

I personaly like the Naval Ensign (Naval Flag for the civilians) as our flag.

Sure Fionn; I'd be happy to stand in your shadow. Make my lousy attempts better.
<edit>
If you want; I can send you all photoshop-files; saves you the cutting and creating them yourself.

Shouldn't they be more....flag shaped? ;)

Shouldn't they be more....flag shaped? ;)

Flags have not always had the common rectangular shape that they do today.

Think outside the box.

I'm all for post 103, except for maybe removing the pink outline from the "5"
I agree. Symbol should be without outline

What about:

Yahho, watashi wa kattaze!

The only reason I proposed it is that it is written in a catchy tune.

EDIT: Added wav: http://www.geocities.com/steriluezation/yahho.wav
Don't make it a link - if you do, Geocities will filter it.

Cyc
Another Idea would be to add a stripe for each city we create, almost like the expansion of the USA and EU, with not yet another star, but another beam :)
Little correction. Stars at the EU flag doesn't symbolize member countries so accession of new countries doesn't expand number of stars. (now countries is 25 and stars on flag still from the beginning 12)

Maybe we can add a Star for every civ we eliminate?

In my opinion once created and accepted flag should be without changes to the end of game.

Perhaps a military flag could incorporate destroyed civs

I think this one is the best so far. :)


http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/naval_flat_flag,_normal_style_copy.jpg

I'm all for post 103, except for maybe removing the pink outline from the "5"Back to work it is for me then ...

Rik keeps repeating to himself: "Must remove the pink.. must remove the pink..."

Back to work it is for me then ...

Rik keeps repeating to himself: "Must remove the pink.. must remove the pink..."

Yeah, it's not DG4 anymore. ;) Granted... I don't see the pink... or atleast noticed it.

Without the "pink" and I've made the swords of the peace-time flag brighter.

Peace:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DG5_RM_normal_flag.jpg

War:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DG5_RM_warflag.jpg

Rik your designs are great! :clap: Much Much better than that with outline. :)

I don't thikn we can make it any better. :)

I don't thikn we can make it any better. :)

I agree, any changes to those two would detract from the simplicity. Great job, I love them.

Are we still wating for Fionn's proposals? He ususally has some decent ideas.

If there are no more flags in the works, what say we have a poll to decide which one the citizens want? Or maybe we want 2, a standard flag and a battle flag.

I would submit those in post 129, and the previous ones that had the outline of "Go" for approval.

Wouldn't it make more sense for the war-time flag to have swords and the peacetime flag not, rather than just taking away the rays? ;)

Wouldn't it make more sense for the war-time flag to have swords and the peacetime flag not, rather than just taking away the rays? ;)

I agree, but methinks the militarists are in the majority. :(

And there don't seem to be any other flags on the horizon, so to speak. I tried to make one, it was a disaster as I'm no artist.

Well, I thought "why have a uniteresting flag with flat colours?"

so... with the magic of photoshop....

Now that's an interesting one. A little anarchic, but it might fit the character of this game best.

So you like it?

So you like it?

Absolutely!

Wouldn't it make more sense for the war-time flag to have swords and the peacetime flag not, rather than just taking away the rays? ;)

That's exactly what we did in DG2. Granted, we only used the peace-time flag twice.

Once early in the game.
Second briefly within the same turn when we signed a temporary peace treaty with the Persians (might've been for a tech, or a better treaty with another civ).

Ok, I'm going to put together a proposed flag poll here so people can review it and make criticisms/adjustments. This may take a bit of time. Actually, I'll make two polls, one for the nation's flag and one for the combat flag. I will post a pic of the flag and its post #.

NATIONAL FLAG
__________________________________________

Post #129

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DG5_RM_normal_flag.jpg

Post #129b

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DG5_RM_warflag.jpg

Post #77

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/glow_and_five.jpg

Post #51c - Also vote for this if you like the smaller stars (but post a note!)

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Glow_and_big_stars_small.jpg

Post # 51a

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/glow.jpg

Post #26

http://free.one.picturehost.co.uk/Japanachika.bmp

Post #11

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DG5_CT_flag_v3_jpg.jpg

Post #13

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Japflag1.jpg

Post #137

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/flag.png

There ya go. 9 choices.

Well, I thought "why have a uniteresting flag with flat colours?"

so... with the magic of photoshop....
Flag should be simple that every japanatican child can draw it with crayons. We're trying to design it. Not testing photoshop.

Flag should be simple that every japanatican child can draw it with crayons. We're trying to design it. Not testing photoshop.

My drawing as a child looked just like that. Come to think of it, it still does. :eek:

Flag should be simple that every japanatican child can draw it with crayons. We're trying to design it. Not testing photoshop.

Who needs to draw it when they can just copy the file

I'm calling 137 the Anarchy Flag. I will vote for it because it best describes the situation here right now. Lots of opinions and very little action being taken.

I think Post 121 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2041389&postcount=121) is a good Motto.

As there was no criticism of this poll format, the poll has been posted.

Our New Nation's Flag (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2049618&postcount=1)