Who shall decide the name of our Capital City? The President or the Citizens?

If it's the Citizen's right to name the city, what shall we call it?

Governor... if I win the Governor's Race... if not... the citizens ;-)


Seriously, I think President, it was really nice having our first city in DG1 Fox's Nest

Either Pres or Governor.

Let's stick with the President naming the first city.

definetly the president!

As tradition holds: The President

Citizens! *bangs on table* CITIZENS!

I'm pissed off over other things, sorry. But seriously, citizens.

I take it we are still using our method of "president, CoC, then according to registry"?

unless we decide otherwise?

Citizens! *bangs on table* CITIZENS!

I'm pissed off over other things, sorry. But seriously, citizens.
well in your registry post, u said u didnt believe in the way that cities were named...
how do the citizens do it then? if each citizen posted a city they want we would have 50 choices

If I am elected President, I will seek advice from the citizens, since I don't have any ideas for Japanese city names.

Dave's Shack sounds like a good one.

I will seek advice from the citizens, since I don't have any ideas for Japanese city names.

i agree, since this is a DEMOCRACY game.

okay i think we should hold to tradition, otherwise with everyone supplying a city name it could take ages to get through them all, which will be time wasted.

Our traditional method let EVERYONE have the chance to pick a city name.

if we go by consensus, individuals will be excuded from this process, they will find their city names ignored, and they will feel disenfranchised with the entire process.

I make a plea that city names follow the traditional chain, allowing every citizen the chance to name a city.

The question for the thread is on naming the capital city, which has traditionally been done by the President. I'm only talking about giving the honor of naming the first city to the people, and then returning to the traditional method.

City naming then has traditionally followed the chain of command, except that once a citizen's city name has been used we go through the entire registry of citizens without offices before we start giving anyone a 2nd city name.

The other main way to do it is to use city names in the order people registered as citizens.

My problem with the current city naming method is that you get clearly un-Japanese names. So I was going to propose that names be done on a geographical basis (like if its a port, in the mountains, on a river, on a resource, ect), or citizen's ideas changed to be more Japanese. So Falcon's Haven would be whatever the Japanese for that is.

El Presidente!

My problem with the current city naming method is that you get clearly un-Japanese names. So I was going to propose that names be done on a geographical basis (like if its a port, in the mountains, on a river, on a resource, ect), or citizen's ideas changed to be more Japanese. So Falcon's Haven would be whatever the Japanese for that is.

I guess that'll give my Kenkyuusha dictionary a workout! ;) BTW, you can't enter double-bit characters (i.e., Japanese letters/kanji) into Civ3. You can in Civ2 though.

I take it we are still using our method of "president, CoC, then according to registry"?

unless we decide otherwise?

Uh, no Immortal (and DaveShack). We scrapped that idea last game and just went with the Citizen Registry, after the President. The President was entitled to name the first city because of the Office and then it was decided that by using the Registry, 1. it would be a hell of a lot easier because no one wanted to keep track of all the names throughout the game, and 2. people saw that just because some citizens held office, that didn't entitle them to any other specia;l privilages that normal citizens didn't have. It was basically giving favor to the Government over the citizens without due cause.

I suggest we keep on using the method that we used last game.

Let's use the same method we did last game. The first president names the capital city, and city names are up to the citizens after that point based on order of registration.

As for the CoC, do we even have one?

President has to get some honor.

Same method as last game, President for the Capital then Citizens registry order for the rest. Of course there is nothing to stop the President asking for suggestions and comments about the proposed names before making the final decision.

Poll it then ?

Poll what then?

Anyone know what part of "Tokyo" is "east" and what part is "capital?" We could just stick that at the beginning (or end) of the nation name.

Anyone know what part of "Tokyo" is "east" and what part is "capital?" We could just stick that at the beginning (or end) of the nation name.

"Tou" = east
"Kyou" = Capital
(東京)

Anyone know what part of "Tokyo" is "east" and what part is "capital?" We could just stick that at the beginning (or end) of the nation name.

"Tou" = east
"Kyou" = Capital
(東京)
江戸 (Edo - Tokyo's former name) is literally, "bay door" (the opening to the bay)

So then Kyoto is

Kyou = capitol

what's the "to" part?

Got any links to an online translator which does English to Japanese, but then spits out the anglicized phonetic spelling instead of the kanji characters?

Uh, no Immortal (and DaveShack). We scrapped that idea last game and just went with the Citizen Registry, after the President.

I was sticking to what we had before since I didnt think anybody actually wanted to do it this way. But since youve already done the work for me in the last demogame. I say that this is probably the best way of doing it out of all three scenarios.

So then Kyoto is

Kyou = capitol

what's the "to" part?

I'm guessing the 'to' part means east, just like in Tokyo.

So then Kyoto is

Kyou = capitol

what's the "to" part?

Got any links to an online translator which does English to Japanese, but then spits out the anglicized phonetic spelling instead of the kanji characters?

It's tou. Kyoutou is a bit different. Kyou is "waves/billows" in Kyoto. Tou is east. The same word can have more than 1 kanji representation.

So we could do Japanatichikyou (Japanatika Capital), or something like that.

Or, of course, something related to the geography, which we don't know yet.

Let's name our capital after our first president. As citizens we can name the capital in whatever form we choose that would honor the president. And this way the pres can name the second city.

Let's name our capital after our first president. As citizens we can name the capital in whatever form we choose that would honor the president. And this way the pres can name the second city.

This is why Washington DC. in the US is named WASHINGTON DC. after George Washington.

I still feel it should be named by the first president it is tradition after all. But we might want to poll it. Some people seem to think this is some sort of Elitist "dominance" over the citizenry....:rolleyes:

I dont know if its directed at me or not, if it is you have seriously misinterpreted what my intention was.

I believe naming a city through consensus takes too long to do, and some peoples city names may be "better" than others. I would rather have a bad city name somebody wanted to pick than a good name thought of by the same people who have thought of all the names before it.

Don't worry about it, Immortal. He's talking about me. It's just typical Republican bad-mouthing of someone they disagree with. Polling the issue wouldn't bother me a bit.

I still believe that the President should determine the name of the Capital City (by whatever means - coming up with the name themselves or asking for advise), and then resort to the Citizen's Registry. No paperwork/bookwork is needed and the next city's name is accessable as checking the Registry. I really don't see a big problem here.

I would like to make a suggestion. Instead of going through the registry by chronological order, perhaps we could use a random number generator to select a random citizen to name a city. This way, it is still the individual citizens who are naming their cities, but those who registered first are not accorded any special benefit for that fact.

As to the president naming the first city, I think it would contradict the equality I'm hoping for, even though I hardly think that the naming of one city is such a big deal. However, it's the principle that counts, and I see no reason why the first president should be accorded any special privilege. Does the president in the second term get to name the first city founded in his term?

I do think it should be up to the citizens entirely. This is a demogame. Come on. Its only one city, anyway. :p

Come on. Its only one city, anyway. :p

Exactly, Epimethius. That is why it should be no great shakes to grant this honor to the first President, as we have for at least the last three DGs. I can't recall the name of DG1's first city or how it was named, but I am sure CT or Cyc will help me out here.

As for the rush to pull out the Japanese dictionary, all I can say is that it will be a fun novelty for the first few cities, but will become quite a pain once we have 40+ cities. By using a language unfamiliar to most of us, we lose the meaning and distinction that an English translation will provide.

For reference, we are currently using Chinese translations in one of the Inter-Site DGs, and it is hard to distinguish one city from another until you are well familiar with the game. I would rather have names that easily reflect the personality of each of our citizens than homogenizing these qualities into a national language that not all can decipher.

the grey fox was elected our first President in DG1. He also name the Capital City The Fox's Nest. A very appropriate name.

Thanks, Cyc. Actually, I think I read that somewhere earlier, so shame on me. ;)

So can you imagine the last 4 DemoGames without Fox's Nest, Bavaria, Noshuret or Deux Rivieres? Each of these historic cities have been named by the Term 1 President of each respective game. I see no reason to part with tradition now.

This is why Washington DC. in the US is named WASHINGTON DC. after George Washington.

I still feel it should be named by the first president it is tradition after all. But we might want to poll it. Some people seem to think this is some sort of Elitist "dominance" over the citizenry....:rolleyes:

Actually, Washington, D.C. came along quite a bit later. The first capital was New York City.

I do think it should be up to the citizens entirely. This is a demogame. Come on. Its only one city, anyway. :p

If there is going to be this much wrangling over the naming of one tiny village, what happens when we get to the important things?

Personally, the name of the city is unimportant to me as long as I can pronounce it. Why not just let the President decide the first one and the first mayor of each additional city decide on subsequent ones?

Names ARE important, to some of use (me included) but I feel that the first city should be named by the Term 1 President definitely, we voted for them, its just one more decision for them to make.