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Immortal
Jul 27, 2004, 10:18 PM
Article A. All Civfanatics Forum users who register in the Citizen
Registry are citizens of our country. Citizens have the
right to assemble, the right to free movement, the right
to free speech, the right to a fair trial, the right to
representation, the right to seek to redress grievances
and the right to vote.

Article B. Governing rules shall consist of these Articles of the
Constitution, such amendments that shall follow and lower
forms of law that may be implemented. No rule shall be
valid that contradicts these Articles. The Constitution
amendments can be added/modified/removed when the
need arises.

Article C. The government will consist of the Executive Branch,
Legislative Branch and Judicial Branch.

Article D. The Executive branch is responsible for determining
and implementing the will of the People. It is headed
by the President who shall be the primary Designated
Player. The President shall take direction from a
council of leaders and from other elected and appointed
officials via the turnchat instruction thread. The President
shall be tasked with control of worker actions.
1. The Minister of Domestic Affairs shall be
responsible for all domestic initiatives, worker allocation, as well
as the distribution of funds, as prescribed by law.
2. The Minister of Foreign Affairs shall be responsible
for matters involving treaties with foreign nations,
as prescribed by law.
3. The Minister of Defense shall be responsible for all
military strategy and troop activities, as
prescribed by law.
4. The Minister of Trade shall be responsible for all
trade, domestic and foreign, and the use of resources,
as perscibed by law.
5. The Minister of Science shall be responsible for all tech
acquisition, as prescribed by law.
6. The Minister of Culture shall be responsible for the
keeping of the peace and the construction of wonders.

Article F. The Judicial Branch will consist of one Chief Justice, one Public
Defender and a Judge Advocate. These three justices
are tasked with upholding the Constitution and its supporting
laws (if any) in a fair and impartial manner as prescribed
by law. The Chief Justice shall have the additional
responsibility to organize and conduct the affairs of the
Judicial Branch. The Public Defender will act as council to an
accused individual. The Judge Advocate will act as the prosecution.

Article H. No person shall hold multiple positions of leadership (President,
Department Leader, Judiciary, Provincial Governor) simultaneously.

Article I. Census, and Amending the Constitution
1. The census shall be defined as the average number
of votes cast, dropping fractions, in each of the
contested elections in the most recent general
election.
2. Ratification of Amendments to the Constitution
shall require each of the following:
a. A poll which is open for at least 96 hours, which
states the text of the proposed new section(s),
the text of the section(s) being replaced, and
posing the question in the form of yes / no /
abstain.
b. A majority of yes votes.
c. A number of yes votes greater than or equal to
2/3 the census current at the start of voting on
the amendment, dropping any fraction therein.
d. The Amendment poll must first be posted as a
"proposed poll" in the discussion thread created
for the Amendment. The proposed poll must exist
in the discussion thread for 24 hours prior to the
Amendment poll being created. This gives adequate
time for review and changes.

Article J. Elected officials must plan and act according to the will
of the people. The will of the people will be determined
through discussion and polls, formal or informal. If pertinent
discussion is done outside the scope of the DG forums, then it must
be documented in the Turnchat Instruction Thread 6 hours
prior to the commencement of the turnchat by the appropriate
leader.

Article K. All irreversible game actions must progress during a
public turnchat, while reversible game actions(ie build
queues) that adhere to legal instruction can be prepared
offline.

Article L. The constitution, laws and standards of Fanatika can never
be contrary to the rules and regulations of the
Civfanatics forums. Moderators may veto any such
constitutional amendments, laws or standards.

Article M. Commission of any game action by any person other than
the Designated Player while carrying out their duties
that is not instantly reversible without reloading the
save is strictly forbidden.
1. Exception: Determining options in the renegotiation
of Peace agreements requires an action of acceptance
or war to exit the bargain screen. This may be done
but the game must be immediately closed without
saving.

Article N. Rights reserved to the people
As provided by Article A of this constitution, all actions not forbidden
by forum rules, or by this Constitution, are presumed to be within the
right of every citizen. Actions prescribed by this Constitution may be
substituted by other similar actions, provided such substitution lies
within the spirit of these rules.


Preamble: POLLING
Article A: RATIFIED
Article B: RATIFIED
Article C: RATIFIED
Article D: RATIFIED
Article E: DEFEATED
Article F: RATIFIED
Article G: DEFEATED
Article H: RATIFIED
Article I: RATIFIED
Article J: RATIFIED
Article K: RATIFIED
Article L: RATIFIED
Article M: RATIFIED
Article N: RATIFIED
Article O: DEFEATED

MSTK
Jul 27, 2004, 10:21 PM
IIRC, D, E, and O both have atleast 20 votes in atleast one answer.

KCCrusader
Jul 27, 2004, 10:24 PM
they need 15 more to make the required number to pass.

Donovan Zoi
Jul 27, 2004, 10:24 PM
He meant 15 more votes. ;) Right now, our polled census stands at 45, which makes our new "active census" 30. So, yes, we still need some votes.

MSTK
Jul 27, 2004, 10:25 PM
Oh...I see.

Sorry for the confusion that I caused to myself...

Immortal
Jul 27, 2004, 10:25 PM
15 more Yes votes.

Donovan Zoi
Jul 27, 2004, 10:32 PM
And actually, per Article I, we will have to make that 30 YES votes. 2/3 of census of 45. And to make things worse, our Election polls will be resetting the census at at least 50(and rising :eek: ). So add three more YES votes to any future amendment attempts.

Can you see now why I want Article I changed? :)

Will be working on that soon BTW ;)

Immortal
Jul 27, 2004, 10:34 PM
census is 48 donovan zoi.

As our soon-to-be-elected-unless-the-elections-are-irrelevent-Chief Justice informed me over PM, we have to count CITIZEN count as census, not VOTING CITIZEN.

Donovan Zoi
Jul 27, 2004, 10:40 PM
Ah ok. Well then that makes it even harder to make active census numbers if citizens that count toward the census are willfully hindering the ratification process.

So the number to beat is 32 YES votes now. I am going to get started on that amendment.

Immortal
Jul 27, 2004, 10:42 PM
32 is indeed the number to BE!

or Beat....

Since 3 articles passed as 32 votes, you have your work cut out for you.

Cyc
Jul 27, 2004, 11:04 PM
Come on, people. Go check the polls and make sure you voted in all the ratification poll. :thumbsup:

Immortal
Jul 28, 2004, 02:38 PM
As it stand now, governors are non-existent, as are provinces. There is no term limits and deputies do not exist.

All elections, discussions and polls relevent to the following are considered constitutionally nonexistent, therefore irrelevent at this time:

Provinces
Provincial Governors
Congress
Length of Terms
Absenteeism
Deputys

Comnenus
Jul 28, 2004, 02:56 PM
Question:

Doesn't Article I,c supercede Article I,b?

Immortal
Jul 28, 2004, 02:59 PM
2. Ratification of Amendments to the Constitution
shall require each of the following:

It may come before it, but ratification requires BOTH.

Comnenus
Jul 28, 2004, 03:07 PM
Well, it's just nitpicking as I don't have anything better to do anyway, but if you require 66% of the vote you automatically require a majority of the vote.

Also, is there any work being done on the defeated Articles that I could help with?

Immortal
Jul 28, 2004, 03:09 PM
I dont know actually, those who voted against the articles are going to have to discuss, propose, and poll their own articles now.

Im glad there are citizens such as yourself who are actively involved in the constitutional process, unfortunately there arent enough. :rolleyes:

Comnenus
Jul 28, 2004, 03:16 PM
How do I go about submitting an Article for consideration. Should I start a new thread, or post it in the original thread, or what? If I remember right, it needs to be posted as a proposed Article first and put forward for discussion.

Immortal
Jul 28, 2004, 03:26 PM
Open up a discussion thread for the article youd like to propose, and well discuss it in the thread.

Cyc
Jul 28, 2004, 04:29 PM
Excellent work, Immortal. I'm gonna have to get you a raise. :)

Looking at the list of approved Articles, I see that Article H not only mentions the Governors, but identifies them as positions of Leadership.

Article H. No person shall hold multiple positions of leadership (President,
Department Leader, Judiciary, Provincial Governor) simultaneously.

Even Provinces (ie Provincial) are mentioned. :thumbsup:

Could this allow Provinces and Governors both to exist in our virtual world?

Immortal
Jul 28, 2004, 04:40 PM
okay, at least this means that the elections for the governor CAN be considered valid.

Deputies on the other hand....

However, our definitions of what exactly a governor and a province IS is still lacking.

What is the definition of IS? to make a Clinton reference.

This allows us to define them in a law rather than an amendment at least. So we can ignore the 2/3 amendment principal.

Comnenus
Jul 28, 2004, 04:44 PM
okay, at least this means that the elections for the governor CAN be considered valid.

Deputies on the other hand....

However, our definitions of what exactly a governor IS is still lacking.

What is the definition of IS? do make a Clinton reference.

I've posted a discussion thread for Article E. A New Look at Article E (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=95303)

Your input would be most appreciated.

Immortal
Jul 28, 2004, 05:21 PM
This is not the place to propose your articles chieftess, open a thread so people might see it and actually care enough to reply to it...