Hello, and Welcome to the Ministry tent here in Fanatikku, while our official headquarters is under construcion. As you can see, there's not much here yet, but our staff is waiting impatiently for information to begin planning. In the meantime, please file your requests in our office, and enjoy as the staff fights over it, just for something to do.


Deputy Minister: Epimethius


Slider settings: 0% Tax-100% Sci-0% Lux

Rush requests:

Budget requests:

Current finances: 11 gold, +0GPT

List of cities under Domestic control:

National projects:


(TO BE UPDATED)

Congratulations, Noldodan on joining the historical list of of Domestic Advisors. Good luck on your Term. :goodjob:

Good luck this term, as it is the most important expansionist term!

Congratulations, Noldodan on joining the historical list of of Domestic Advisors. Good luck on your Term. :goodjob:

There is no person cooler than a former Domestic Minister of the CFC Demogame (even more so the ones in the 1st Demogame ;)). Why? It's because I'm a part of that list. :p

Noldy, it is most definately cool:cool: to be working with you this term.

Actually, I just have a quick question. Does slider control fall under the jurisdiction of the Domestic Affairs Department? Control of the science/luxury sliders is not explicitly given to any particular department in the descriptions of minister duties. It's my feeling that it would be part of budgetary considerations. So if someone could shed some light on this, it would be really helpful.

Actually, I just have a quick question. Does slider control fall under the jurisdiction of the Domestic Affairs Department? Control of the science/luxury sliders is not explicitly given to any particular department in the descriptions of minister duties. It's my feeling that it would be part of budgetary considerations. So if someone could shed some light on this, it would be really helpful.

Well... According to an interpretation of the in-game advisors screen, it belongs to the Domestic Minister, but in reality it would be best if Science and Domestic had co-control over it. But it does fall under my jurisdiction, so I'll have to add that to the first post. Guess I'll have to start a discussion on that too...

Hey Noldodan, you need to upgrade the domestic status

I agree. :thumbsup:

Hey Noldodan, you need to upgrade the domestic statusBut I already did!

Not at all

Cities under Domestic Control

Add, Fanatikku

Cities under Domestic Control
Add, Fanatikku
No.... Fanatikku falls under Zarn's control as part of his province.

O h I see :)
no worries

I wish for the Ministry of Domestic Affairs parisipate and cast there votes in the [http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=96098]Dealing with Demands from other nations - Poll[/url] :).

Thanks,
CivGeneral

Honorable Domestic Minister Noldodan and Deputy Epimethius

I am about to launch the Ringi Reform of Japanatica, and the first target is the city localization and development. As Domestic Ministry, you are interested in building commercial improvemetns such as marketplaces and banks, and in perspective wonders that promote commercial growth for the national budgets and various sliders..

Please investigate the City Proposal Thread and assess the printed map, marcation of future city borders, the tile production by shield, gold food and gold. Shield/Commerce are the most critical aspect for your Departments needs, and food in perspective, as you would need to expand one day..

So whenever a proposed city comes into the view on that thread, grade it from 0-5 based on how good the city location is. Also grade the city for its future specialized role in the nation as a production center, commercial center, military center, regional center, science center and cultural center.

When complete, write 3-5 lines on the point selection, and submit it to your own Ministry. Finally, you are in charge of adding the other grades together, compile the departmental comments with cut and paste and select the top two alternatives to the Congress (Public Poll), where each Congressman/Citizen give their vote. You are also free to amend the final presentation of the proposal as you see fit, as long as the departmental commentaries are kept intact.

You will be free to present his preferred alternative of the two to the congress/Public Poll, with your own personal recommendation. The Domestic Minister and Governor will also be in charge of the naming process of the city, appointing a Mayor and the other duties related to administering cities as Domestic Minister.

If the City alternative is approved and selected for polling, you are free to, but not obliged, to write in the city proposal thread in order to influence the outcome. I have posted similar posts in the other Departments.

I wish for the Ministry of Domestic Affairs to cast there votes and partisipate in the Babylon Trade (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=96642) thread :).

Thanks,
CivGeneral

Suggestions for landmarks:

External border for Japanatica -dark Red
Provincial Border, 4 provinces surveyed Light Red
NW - Zarnia
SW - Ume Plateau (Horse Plateau)
NE -
SE -

Desert North, yellow, "Arid Zona"
Desert South
Southern Steppes, Orange, Grapes of Wrath Steppes
Deep South Mountains, Nemesis Mountains
Southern Mountains, Yotsubishi Yama
Northern Mountain,
Southeastern Mountain,
Southern Forest
Fanatikku Jungle
Huge Lake
Rivers
Various forests

I belive that is up to the governor within his province, which has not yet been defined. Plus I think we should wait to see what cities end up where.

We should get around to defining the province soon, too.

Actually, the area explored and set out as "Defensible" by the Foreign Minister probably would define our First Province. This would mean that the two cities of Fannatikku and Furuyama, as well as any established cities in Sectors 1-5, should be combined into the First Province. The Province which handles the Sector 6 city, I think, would depend on where that city is located: if Epi's site is chosen, then it would be part of the First Province. If my site is chosen, then it should go into a "SouthWestern" Province which would contain the Babylonian Homeland as well as Sector 7.

I invite you to join a very important discussion. Please participate. :)

Furuyama Gems (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=97121)

As Epimethius is Deputy Minister for Domestic, I feel it's appropriate to ask the Deputy for a response to this post (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2100272&postcount=36) here in the Domestic thread.

Regardless of who's name is the one in queue for the Iron City, pulling their name to be replace by someone else's at your discretion is the wrong thing to do. Please respond.

I have read your response to the post above. You are arbitrarily making a decision that effects the standard operating procedures of the game. Everyone else gets their name placed on a city when it comes up in queue. You are usig your Office to press your personal whims on a singled out person. What's the matter? Didn't you like the fact that I nullified your illegal polling for a law? Have we disagreed on more issues than you'd like?

Using your office for personal means is a conflict of interest. You can not rectify Chieftess' problem of being bumped from first to second by bumping me from 5th to 6th. It was standard operating procedure for the Pesident to name the first city. Chieftess must accept that. And you need to learn how to hold office as a leader not a spoiled child.

I have also posted in the city naming thread. It is inappropriate to change the way city names are assigned without approval of at least all the people affected by the change, and preferably the whole citizenry.

Even if the change has completely innocent motivations, there are some inalienable rights in the demogame, and one of those rights is to name things according to predefined procedures.

I agree with Cyc and Daveshack, we should stick to the law.

An old viking proverb, "With law the land shall be built"

"Using your office for personal means is a conflict of interest. You can not rectify Chieftess' problem of being bumped from first to second by bumping me from 5th to 6th. It was standard operating procedure for the Pesident to name the first city. Chieftess must accept that. And you need to learn how to hold office as a leader not a spoiled child."

I take offense at this. The reason why I was going to bump you, which would only happen with your permission, was because I felt it would be more appropriate to use a name specifically for iron rather than a general one. This has nothing to do with Chieftess, except maybe for the fact that she was naturally a better sport about it. This is not a personal interest, as it would push Odawara, my city, back further. I am acting like a leader. I have done everything I did because I felt it would be the way to do things. I did the poll because for two cities because we would have two settlers. As far as I can tell, you're the one acting like a spoiled child with all your accusations. You've been acting like a child since this game started.

The reason why I was going to bump you, which would only happen with your permission, was because I felt it would be more appropriate to use a name specifically for iron rather than a general one. ... This is not a personal interest, as it would push Odawara, my city, back further.

If you're going to ask permission, then you'd better actually ask, and fast. :)

As for the rest of the post, responding in kind is a good way to get a "time out" at the same time as the other person...

Minister Noldodan,

Seems as though trouble may be brewing in our capital. Please join the following discussion for your briefing. As you will see, I believe this situation can be best rectified by your office.

Focus on Fanatikku: There's A Riot Goin On! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=97312)

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
Minister of Trade

Minister Noldodan,

We now have a MP in our capital and it has come to my attention that we can lower the lux slider without suffering the repercussions of a riot.

It is my request that we lower the luxery slider to 0% and increase science spending to 100%. This wouldn't change our current earnings of 0 GPT, and it would alow us to finish polytheism in 17 turns instead of 19.

I figured I should update this for the end of the term, since its still showing the beginning of the term statistics. :p

Deputy Minister: Epimethius

Slider settings: 0% Tax-100% Sci-0% Lux

Rush requests: None

Budget requests: None

Current finances: 172 gold, +0GPT

List of cities under Domestic control: None

National projects: None
(See? I told you! We already HAVE the National Project System. And all you people are ignoring my idea of even following it!)

I figured I should update this for the end of the term, since its still showing the beginning of the term statistics. :p

Deputy Minister: Epimethius

Slider settings: 0% Tax-100% Sci-0% Lux

Rush requests: None

Budget requests: None

Current finances: 172 gold, +0GPT

List of cities under Domestic control: None

National projects: None
(See? I told you! We already HAVE the National Project System. And all you people are ignoring my idea of even following it!)

Exploration and colonization is our current national project...?

Not in the official sense, they're not.

Not in the official sense, they're not.

Official or unofficial they still are?

Not in the official sense, they're not.
national projects themsevles arent offical, so colonization and exploration could be them

In a Demogame, everything is national, planning and official, and trying to make this official is stupid

In a Demogame, everything is national, planning and official, and trying to make this official i stupid
i agree, no need to add more laws about national projects, that adds more loopholes(like last dg) and limits citizens freedoms

if they were a real national project there would be quotas for settlers that Zarn would be filling. Instead he's just turning them out as he pleases. The idea of an "official" national project is that the advisor can get a requested unit or wonder, the people can approve that request, and the governor can do it in whatever city fits best. So since Domestic hasn't ordered Zarn to turn out seven settlers by 1 AD, its not an official national project.

if they were a real national project there would be quotas for settlers that Zarn would be filling. Instead he's just turning them out as he pleases. The idea of an "official" national project is that the advisor can get a requested unit or wonder, the people can approve that request, and the governor can do it in whatever city fits best. So since Domestic hasn't ordered Zarn to turn out seven settlers by 1 AD, its not an official national project.
read the above posts, domestic cant order zarn to pump a certain amount of settlers, only the citizens can and we dont need a national project system to do it
also its not offical, the people can easily change their mind
i dont see what the thing about this is, if the people want more military, that can be discussed and poll, if they want more culture buildings the same thing

Just a thought: it would be nice to make something like national project: we could setup some goal we want to achieve and try with all forces to achieve it.
There could be more goals at same time, for example:
a) getting silks and colonizing east land
b) winning race to monarchy
c) building first Hanging Gardens
d) preparations for quick war vs Romans
etc...

Lets try to do this, it will make game better and we'll have more fun. What do you think about this, post any ideas, we could make a new thread too. It would help also when new goverment take place, they will already have projects and can continue on work that last goverment started.
Please don't let this idea die.

trying to make this official i stupid
Are you trying to say....does this mean....

Oh, never mind, I get it now. :lol:

Just a thought: it would be nice to make something like national project: we could setup some goal we want to achieve and try with all forces to achieve it.
There could be more goals at same time, for example:
a) getting silks and colonizing east land
b) winning race to monarchy
c) building first Hanging Gardens
d) preparations for quick war vs Romans
etc...

Lets try to do this, it will make game better and we'll have more fun. What do you think about this, post any ideas, we could make a new thread too. It would help also when new goverment take place, they will already have projects and can continue on work that last goverment started.
Please don't let this idea die.

As I've stated before, I believe National Projects should only be background goals and NOT official mandates to force change. National interests change too rapidly to pressure any kind of forced production. Also, even though I disapprove of your idea, if it were to come about, there should be a new thread for each Term. But it's still not a good thing to me.

If we want Zarn to build more settlers, can't we just petition him to do so? I am against the ideas of setting quotas because they are too rigid and our needs will change very quickly.

The National Project System is designed so that the leaders (military, culture, and science) can set a quota for something, with public approval, but it is up to the governor which queues to change to do it. Thus everyone maintains their power. It's supposably only for wars (lots of troops), wonders, and spaceships. Which is why we haven't really had one yet.

The National Project should not be so specific if it's unofficial (referring to invy).