From the Desk of Science Minister Rik Meleet:
What do you know; I've won an election on my holiday-address ...
SaaM: I appoint you as deputy; when you are back on august 2nd; can you please do the honors of setting up an office and start some debates on research-schedule ??

Preferred research: 1: Pottery, then Bronze, then Iron. Reason: pottery because it allows curraghs and more importantly granaries. Iron because it shows us Iron on the map so we know where to settle as iron is essential to get our UU.

Welcome to this brief thread that will serve as the Science Office until Rik gets back. I am Deputy Minister SaaM.
/me ponders
Can anyone look @ the archive and see how many games I've started as Deputy science minister?
Anyway, Rik has posted his preference for our queue and I would have to agree. Judging by our start, we look like we may be blessed with fertile land.

All are welcome to discuss here, as it'll be taken down in a bit anyway.

SaaM

Queue Guide: SUGGESTED
Pottery->Bronze Working->Iron Working

What We Have:
The Wheel and Cer. Bur.

Discussion Registry:
We Work Through Breaks/Queue Discussion (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=95626)

It may also be important to note that our research order may change according to the cost of each tech, since it changes based upon how many civs have it. But we should definately get IW as soon as possible!

Thank you for your opinion, Justice KCCrusader (note to self: find way to shorten new guys name... no one wants to type an entire name). I agree of the importance IW and locating the valueable iron for our cities. I hope you will join in the discussion posted above.

Deputy SaaM

I think that the proposed path is great...pottery for granary. Our start looks like it has a lot of potential growth even without the granary. Bonus Grassland all around and two wheats, both on riverbanks!

Iron working should be made ASAP to find our Samurai City...or not...? BUt it's right next to Bronze Working, which provides the shieldman.

I think I have an objection...does Pottery grant Curraughs? I thought ALphabet did.

Granary is not needed, the opinion of many now is to get Monarchy and Iron
the path to Monarchy gives us mysticism and polytheism, and being a religious Civz<, a revolution is only 1 turn. Monarchy will greatly improve research, commerce, production and reduce rampant corruption. bornze-Iron will meet thre requirements for all our security needs till Samurai, then we need to find saltpeter.

Pottery , a default in some games, is not needed, and is here a hollow mantra and a default setup for thse with not enough energy to rethink things.
With two wheats, rivers and so on, the city will grow so fast, we can barely send out the settlers before the city is large again. Please investigate my threads on the success ration or iron based troops in the MA thread and okease check the Civilopedia of despotism and monarchy up to terrain tile info. You will all understand well.

I get your point.

What if we go for a Monarchy Rush using Free Ceremonial Burial and our Religious Trait?

MSTK

Exactly my point buddy, then Iron

we must get pottery first, absolutely!

1: Pottery, then Bronze, then Iron. Reason: pottery because it allows curraghs

Please. I would have quoted Stuck on this, but RM said it first and no one has stepped up to correct them. This is vanilla Civ3, not C3C. We do not get those little curraghs anytime during this game. OK?

I think we should do Bronze Working first. Then Iron Working, then Mysticism, then Poly, and then Monarchy. We need to change governments as soon as possible (so you people don't become spoiled with free military units ;) ) to benefit from the perks of that government and the ability to build The Hanging Gardens. :thumbsup:

I agree with Cyc 100 %, I did some number crunching. The Capital will likely quickly reach
12 Pop with all that food, production and river (free aqueduct). without granary.
In fact we will struggle to make the city safe for unhappiness, and to get the settlers quickly out enough. Pottey is also a very cheap tech to develop when we actually need it down the road. This map proves we do not need a granary now, nor pottery.

The Hanging Gardens will be exactly what we need for this large capital, we get it with Monarchy. then we should go for a wonder that either is religious or militaristic, so we can get a golden age. We need iron asap, otherwise a lack of it will dictate our future foreign policies and we lose strategi initiative. So delete pottery from the plan.
I stick with Cycs script 100 %.

1 - No curraghs in Vanilla.
2 - That's the WORST path to take. Why? Because the AI most likely will have already researched those (either by research, goody hut, or trade). If we take the lit/currency path, we have an almost 100% chance to trade those techs. With the other 3? More like a 10% chance. (50% during the first 5 turns).

Morning CT and Cyc
@cyc- if you look at the election thread, i too have corrected RM. I forgot to edit it.
@ct- thats his suggestion. I somewhat agree with it, though I would not use pottery. For todays TC, I am going to suggest we start researching Bronze, then IW. While these two are researching, I will poll for what we should do next (including doing something other than IW). If we manage to find a hut with either of those two in them, great for us. Then we could start down the Lit/Cur path. But I feel we may need to find our natural resources first.

SaaM

Well, we'll be researching what some civs already have, and will research. (Bronze Working can also be gotten from a goody hut quite easily).

SAaM

Very prudent of you sir.

The best route is to get Bronze up and running till we have figured out our neihbors for risk management, and then go towards Iron so we can lpan our cities and further development. Actually, teh aspect of having or not having iron will impact all research decisions. No iron may menan we need Construction and the Great Wall to sit it out until we get musketmen and gunpowder. Litterature and currency? It is not likely that we will build many marketplaces and libraries in term 1, we would rather expand organically with settlers, the Monarchy shift early in the game will also win the science race for us, increasing the effective production of tile with average 50 %. Some library and marketplace cannot compensate for that. Since we already got temples from our free Ceremonial Burial, we get our culture there. Term 1 must see sudden expansion and focus on getting early iron. Iron will mean more military predictability.

See the stats in the MA thread.

who cares if the ais get pottery also? it is the most important tech in early ancient... we need very large cities, larger cities more commerce, more commerce more science
plus it will greatly help with out expansion, a granary is most important in your capital very early, by the time we get it we will already be over with the capital making all the settlers

@black_hole- we dont need pottery. we have grain up the wazzoo, (pardon my term) and do not need the help of grainaries.

Morning CT and Cyc
@cyc- if you look at the election thread, i too have corrected RM. I forgot to edit it.
@ct- thats his suggestion. I somewhat agree with it, though I would not use pottery.

SaaM

Sorry, Stuck, I didn't see the correction. And I don't want us to research Pottery. That's the first tech you get in a goody hut. We don't need granaries this early, not with this great location. So remove pottery from my post above and you get my choices. ;)

Thank you for your opinion, Justice KCCrusader (note to self: find way to shorten new guys name... no one wants to type an entire name). I agree of the importance IW and locating the valueable iron for our cities. I hope you will join in the discussion posted above.

Deputy SaaM

KCC Works :)

Well, after the 1st chat, we have Bronze Working due in 13. According to my instructions, we should do Iron Working next, to find where that is. I could be lazy and save the polling for Rik, but I feel we should do some more investigation on to whether or not we should head to monarchy.

look for a thread (not a poll) on this issue.

Facing the discordance we have from science to wonders, the Honorable Deputy Science would be required to present himself in the Culture Ministry's thread to develop a common and effective plan to solve this.

After hearing discussion I tend to lean toward Republic. The rarity of the techs will enable us to gather the other techs through trade since most AI will not continue up the path to Republic. Also the government is better for growth than monarchy, and growth in the ancient and middle ages is what is needed in order to secure our sought diplomatic win.

I wish for the Science Ministry to partisipate and cast there votes in the Dealing with Demands from other nations - Poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=96098) thread :).

Thanks,
CivGeneral

Honorable Science Minister Rik Meleet and Deputy SAAM

I am about to lauch the Ringi Reform of Japanatica, and the first target is the city localization and development. As Science Ministry, you are interested in building science facilities such as library and university, and in perspective wonders that promote science.

Please investigate the City Proposal Thread and assess the printed map, marcation of future city borders, the tile production by shield, gold food and gold. Commerce is the most critical aspect for your Departments needs, and shields in perspective, as you would need science improvements one day..

So whenever a proposed city comes into the view on that thread, grade it from 0-5 based on how good the city location is. Also grade the city for its commercial potential, that can be converted into science over the budget or through sceientists
When complete, write 3-5 lines on the point selection, and submit it with the Domestic Affairs Ministry. If the City alternative is approved and selected for polling, you are free to, but not obliged, to write in the city proposal thread in order to influence the outcome. I have posted similar posts in the other Departments.

Pottery would have been better, granaries would have made a settler factory possible... and curreghs come with alpha, not pottery. :rolleyes:

ankka- for the last time: THERE ARE NO CURRAGHS. THIS IS VANILLA

I wish for the Science Ministry to partisipate and cast there votes in the Dealing with Demands from other nations - Poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=96098) thread :).

Thanks,
CivGeneraldone - 10 characters.

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The Science Department has posted a What to research after Bronze Working (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=96271) Discussion. I invite all citizens to speak their point of view.

Dear Minister, please read this post in the Babylon Trade discussion thread. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2082779&postcount=33)

@Cyc:
Thank you for that post. I had already seen it (and replied on it). I really like the 1gpt for Bronze deal.
The Science department supports this plan.

Just 1 little detail; the cost of bronzeworking is currently 11 gold, not 12. Check the 10% slider setting ;)

I wish for the Ministry of Science to cast there votes and partisipate in the Babylon Trade (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=96642) thread :).

Thanks,
CivGeneral

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The Science Department has some good news; no less than 3 techs have been obtained. They are Pottery, Bronze Working and Warrior Code. This means: Granaries, Spearmen and Archers (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=96855). A great scientific breakthrough it truly is.

Also, the Science Department has started a new nation-wide discussion on What to research after Iron Working (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=96881). It should not be a surprise to intelligent, scientific oriented people that the path we should choose must lead to:

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Also, the Minister of Science has requested officially (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2093358&postcount=14 ) to the Minister of Domestic Affairs in this thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=95716) to refrain from low slider settings (it currently is only 90% :eek: ) and raise it back to 100%.

I dont want to be rude but could the frigging science department actually POST A TECH TREE SCREENSHOT!?!

heheh that teacher on your picture RM looks like my dad!

@Immortal: consider it done

heheh that teacher on your picture RM looks like my dad! :lol:

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P.S. Read the assistant's comment ...

@Immortal: consider it done

:lol:

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P.S. Read the assistant's comment ...
haha nice assistnat :lol:

LOL "Generous funding" for teh "research" of these blondes LOL

Thank you science department :goodjob:

The staff of the Science Department is hand-picked by the Minister himself on education level, dedication to science and intellignece. Looks have nothing to do with it. :mischief: ;) :p

Immortal: for your previous avatar I'll make an exception; she's apparantly no longer in your service. Send her over to me and I'll take her in a nice position. :mischief:

Im just testing out some avatars, Ill probably put her back, if not Ill post her for you to use.

hehe, "hand picked" I guessed you used a prehistoric computing input-output device.

Rik, Immo, Provo that's enough innuendo's for now.

Minister Rik,

Seems as though trouble may be brewing in our capital. Please join the following discussion for your briefing.

Focus on Fanatikku: There's A Riot Goin On! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=97312)

Respectfully,

Donovan Zoi
Minister of Trade

Minister Rik Meleet,

We now have a MP in our capital and it has come to my attention that we can decrease luxery spending without suffering the repercussions of a riot.

I have already posted a formal request in the Domestic Ministry's thread to decrease luxery spending to 0% and to increase science spending to 100% this would allow us to finish Polytheism in 17 turns instead of the current 19. I ask for the Science department's support for my proposal, as I'm most certain it would be in your best interests.

The science department supports every increase in science. Thanks for bringing it to the attention, snipelfritz.

I would like to propose to Science Department to make a poll of next 3 most wanted techs. Because researching Monarchy always takes long we should decide what techs we want most so we can trade for them. I think Science Department would like to trade our valuable Polytheism to get few more techs and it is now good time to make a poll and decide what do we want most.

I would like to propose to Science Department to make a poll of next 3 most wanted techs. Because researching Monarchy always takes long we should decide what techs we want most so we can trade for them. I think Science Department would like to trade our valuable Polytheism to get few more techs and it is now good time to make a poll and decide what do we want most.I'll leave that up to the new science department.

I would like to propose to Science Department to make a poll of next 3 most wanted techs. Because researching Monarchy always takes long we should decide what techs we want most so we can trade for them. I think Science Department would like to trade our valuable Polytheism to get few more techs and it is now good time to make a poll and decide what do we want most.
will do if i get elected invy

hope so :)
i don't like this what happens now. Everyone is sleeping and waiting new term. God knows when is next turnchat :mad:

The Justicial Branch is still open.... :mischief: