The Zenedoshou


"We believe that through the magnificence of our culture we shall prevail upon the world stage."

Edo-Zen embraces the ideals of peaceful coexistance with other, inferior cultures which inhabit our planet and with the land that our nation is built upon. The ideals of Edo are that of an egalitarian, isolationist nation, striving to improve our nation not by building armies and destroying other nations, but by creating a hard-working and happy population. The guiding force behind the Zen philosophy is that perfection, for both individuals and our nation as a whole, must come from within. Zen realizes that suffering is a part of life's journey, and one must embrace the suffering imposed by nature and by other, lesser nations. This does not mean that Zen rejects the notion of self-defense, it simply means that we should never be the aggressor in conflicts, and any fighting should be done for defensive reasons ONLY.

Edo and Zen where both born from diffrent minds, but with a common goal, PEACE and PEACEFUL GROWTH. Edo, has a slightly more isolationist defense-minded philosophy, while Zen rejects any conflict and belives that the Zen ideals should be taught to those outsiders who wish it, spreading the word of peace and prosperity throughout the world. Both have their merits, both have their weaknesses. But. BOTH ARE PURE, and if the path is pure and true, we can never be mistaken.

Among our most basic principles are the acceptance of others and working together instead of fighting, and since we have come to realize that peace is sadly rejected by the warmongering shoguns and overlords, a Union must be formed.

Thus the union of The Edo Faction and Zen-Kensho Society, and the birth of ZENEDOSHOU.

OUR GOALS/PHILOSOPHY:
To promote Japanatica's culture and the standard of living of our fellow citizens through the building of temples, cultural buildings and Wonders in our cities.

To create a PEACEFUL society, where the military exists for self-defense and is not an instrument of control wielded by the government to repress its citizens.

We also believe in having a military strong enough to make any nation think twice before commiting an irrational act of violence towards us.

We will promote our ideals of pacifism and culture to the citizens and leadership of the nation.

Corruption must be rooted out in our nation's cities, and in the leadership of our government.

We must exploit our strengths to work with what nature has provided and work around what it has deprived us of. The land and the sea give us life, and we will refrain from uneccessarily damaging our natural world.

Zenedoshou is based upon the ideals of equality and respect. There are no ranks; all members are equal. Their opinions are to be respected. The only "rank" that exists is that of "Member". For practical reasons, both Comnenus and Superpelon will have the additional title of Rurouni, but the following must be stressed, Zenedoshou will only have be effective thanks to its members, without it, our voices will be lost in the wind.

The official weapon of Zenedoshou is the the Sakabattou, a magnificent sword with a reverse-edge blade, designed for defense.

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Members of Zenedoshou:

Superpelon, Rurouni
Comnenus, Rurouni
Civman2004
Marconos
Real Pave
blackheart

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I would like to point out that the manifesto of Zenedoshou is almost entirely the work of Superpelon, without whom we would not have had such a great literary work. All I did was add a little here and there, a couple of words or maybe three in various places. All commendation goes to Superpelon. Long may he live!

All citizens who share in the philosopy of Zenedoshou are welcome to join us in our cause.

Count me in. But shouldn't the word "inhabit" in that top line be replaced by "inhibit" ;)

Small group so far but count me in. I really want to see how to do a cultural victory.

Marconos, Civman... welcome, bienvenue, bienvenidos!!

:clap: Welcome to our newest members

Civman2004 and marconos

Overnight we have DOUBLED our membership!

Now all we have to do is figure out a way to overpower the military wing of Japanatica, peacefully, of course. :D

Do any of the members have any ideas to put forth on Wonders to go for or scientific endeavors we should embark upon?

Personally, I would like to build the Pyramids, since it is a religious Wonder and I don't think it expires (it has been a coon's age since I played vanilla.)

BTW, this is just for discussion, not to create a platform, as that would probably constitute a political party and get us banned!

...shouldn't the word "inhabit" in that top line be replaced by "inhibit" ;)

:rotfl:

I had to go back up and make sure I didn't have a typo! Very funny! :lol:

Now all we have to do is figure out a way to overpower the military wing of Japanatica, peacefully, of course. :D

Now THAT is a funny idea. It's like a liberal owning guns :lol:

Now THAT is a funny idea. It's like a liberal owning guns :lol:

Oh, we have guns all right. We're just keeping them hidden until the discovery of gunpowder. No bullets, you know. ;)

How about pure pacifist-defense and pure war-mongering we compromise and have a mix of both? Neither work independently.

How about pure pacifist-defense and pure war-mongering we compromise and have a mix of both? Neither work independently.

I don't believe that the militarists will let up for an instant, so it is the Holy Burden of the Zenedoshou to promote peace whenever and wherever possible. In the end, a balance is created.

HAHAHAHA :lol: look at this:

There are no ranks; all members are equal (...) For practical reasons, both Comnenus and Superpelon will have the additional title of Rurouni

Isn't it look familiar??
I think it's like in George Orwell's Animal Farm :lol:
You're the best Comnenus :goodjob:

Isn't it look familiar??
I think it's like in George Orwell's Animal Farm :lol:
You're the best Comnenus :goodjob:

By golly you're right! Time to watch the ensuing power struggle ;)

By golly you're right! Time to watch the ensuing power struggle ;)

Now that would be funny to watch...

Rurouni means "vagabond", so you can see, we would probably never even get to the same place at the same time and have a "fight to the finish". Besides, how on earth do pacifists fight?

Comnenus: "You first."
Superpelon: "No, after you."
Comnenus: "No, I insist."
Superpelon: "No, I insist."

etc, etc, ad nauseum... ;)

Rurouni means "vagabond"
Title is title. No mather what it means. Important is that you have it but Civman2004 and Marconos have not.
And one word about isolationism. Pigs in Animal Farm were isolationists too...(at the begining) ;)

Heck, anybody can have a title! I means nothing. It is useless. It has no power. How many ways can I say it? If anyone wants a useless title, too, they can have one. WSIC?

Titles have power. Psuchological power. They are saying that you are better than other members because you have one and others not.

Now I can second all thiese goals. Count me in.

mzs4 is right, titles have this psycological power, saying "Hey, I'm a über(insert suitable word here) and you're... well, you're nothing".

Now I can second all thiese goals. Count me in.

mzs4 is right, titles have this psycological power, saying "Hey, I'm a über(insert suitable word here) and you're... well, you're nothing".

Welcome,RP, to our brotherhood/sisterhood. (not sure if there's any women here or not.

mzs4 seems bound and determined to stir up trouble here over such a niggling issue.

If the Zenedoshou members feel that no one should have a title, then I will support that. Would it make a difference if the title was Janitor? I am not hung up on the title, or any title. I like the the word rurouni, but I could care less if it is worn as some sort of mantle.

Informal Poll (open only to Zendedoshou members):

1. Should anyone in Zendedoshou have a title?

2. If you voted yes on 1, should everyone have a title?

There, I think that about covers it. I will gladly relinquish my "title", and I will gladly give titles to anyone, according to the will of the members. :crazyeye:

mzs4 seems bound and determined to stir up trouble here over such a niggling issue.
I tell you my secret. I'm spy from enemy country and my mission is making chaos in Japanatica ;) By the way my name is msz4 not mzs4 Commonus :p

I tell you my secret. I'm spy from enemy country and my mission is making chaos in Japanatica ;) By the way my name is msz4 not mzs4 Commonus :p

You gave me my first good chuckle of the day! :lol: Thank you, because I've been a grouch today.

I tell you my secret. I'm spy from enemy country and my mission is making chaos in Japanatica ;) By the way my name is msz4 not mzs4 Commonus :p

He's a terrorist! He's got a bomb! He's got a bomb!

He's a terrorist! He's got a bomb! He's got a bomb!

Is that a cow-dung bomb? I hate cow-dung bombs! ;)

He's a terrorist! He's got a bomb! He's got a bomb!
Every time someone is writing my name he mutiply terrible virus :scan:

Cows are great weapon in Worms :)

Cows are great weapon in Worms :)

Oh, now your sending cow-dung bombs to Germany, too! ;)

Oh, now your sending cow-dung bombs to Germany, too! ;)
After accession beef prices in Poland rised very high because of export to western europe

I dont check the thread for one day and look what happens....

Cow-dung bombs... terrorists... :D

Welcome to the club Real Pave

Thanks. Indeed, this is a peaceful group, with all thiese terrorists and cowbombs around :D

Hopefully we will only have them for the one day. ;)

You and all others are always free to express your ideas and sentiments here.

Thanks. Indeed, this is a peaceful group, with all thiese terrorists and cowbombs around :D
Its really peaceful group. Really Really. Don't worry Real Pave, I'm not a member of Zenedoshou :D I'm trying only make this group little more interesting to attract more citizens to join.

Its really peaceful group. Really Really. Don't worry Real Pave, I'm not a member of Zenedoshou :D I'm trying only make this group little more interesting to attract more citizens to join.

You always gotta watch out for the quiet ones :mischief:

Our 2 non-resident trouble makers. You gotta love it! ;)

I wanna join even though most of my group's philosophies differ from my own :lol:

I don't wanna join even though most of group's philosophies identical to my own ;)

I wanna create a warmongers league ;)

I wanna join even though most of my group's philosophies differ from my own :lol:

Just a clarification, bh, are you really wanting to join the Zenedoshou, or are you jesting with us? The " :lol: " confused me as to your intentions. :confused:

Yes I really want to join. The more the merrier.

Yes I really want to join. The more the merrier.

Great! You are now officially a member of the Zenedoshou. Unlike some other groups, there are no tests and no extremely long and boring dissertations. ;) Maybe we should make that a rule. :D

Great! You are now officially a member of the Zenedoshou. Unlike some other groups, there are no tests and no extremely long and boring dissertations. ;) Maybe we should make that a rule. :D
What groups do you mean?? MENSA for example??

What groups do you mean?? MENSA for example??

Hadn't thought of that one, possibly because I could never stand a chance of getting in. ;) But there are some un-named groups who like that kind of stuff. More power to them (figuratively, not literally). But with all the postings there are to read, isn't it refreshing to find some you can skim through?

Perhaps we could come up with a Constitutional Amendment limiting the size of individual posts? :mischief: :crazyeye:

There are six of us now... thats great.

I have a small job for you: get in the polls and forums and try to limit the warmongers!! Throw flowers at them, bug them, anything!! Get into one of the ministries and try to do something from the inside.

Im in the War Ministry, and Blackheart is in Foreign, and Comnenus is monopolizing anything that has to do with the Judicial :D... so try and find an annoying little niche for yourselves and bug warmongers.


Thats it. Peace out.
El SuperPelon

There are six of us now... thats great.

I have a small job for you: get in the polls and forums and try to limit the warmongers!! Throw flowers at them, bug them, anything!! Get into one of the ministries and try to do something from the inside.

Flowers eh? That could be viewed as assault! :lol: :lol:. Not really much to do, it's only the beginning.

OK Zenedoshians... its time to start fighting...

the warmongers... :p

The Babylonians have showed up, and seem to be willing to trade with us... since they are Religious like us, and have bronze working, the potential for a good trade si pretty low. Bronze Working for Wheel is the best, but that bring us nothing but spearmen and the Colossus, and we are only 3 turns away from discovering it anyway. Wheel for Pottery seems a bit (only a bit) better.

Anyway, I think i should stress the importance of AVOIDING any conflict with the Babylonians... they have a nasty little unit called the Bowman, which has a high (for the ancient age) defense stat. Fighting off 2.2.1 units this early in the game without any swordmen is not my idea of FUN.

USE THIS TO TRY AND KEEP WAR FROM BREAKING OUT.


Thats it. Its still too early in the game for anything else.


Your Official Pelon:
SuperPelon

Thanks, Super, well stated. I hope no one will consider war at this point since we only have one lonely warrior. ;)

No war until we know how large their empire is.

Indeed, really agreed with that.

someone said that babylonians have 1 city (capitol) and culture 18. Now you can attack :mischief:

okay another citizens group, another post if you could all go here and talk about the rpg that'd be great, seeing how an RPG would affect citizens groups the most i have tried to post in every one.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=96784

this post is really just here to keep this thead high up on the page. hehehehehe :D

JOIN ZENEDOSHOU!! Spread the word of Peace and Prosperity throughout Japanatica!!

superpelon

::walks into the Zenedoshou lobby, doesn't see anybody::

Hello?

I certainly hope this citizen group isn't broken up, 'cause I would love to join.


::leaves a note on an empty desk and walks out::

:D