View Full Version : Amendment to Article H. of Constitution


Comnenus
Aug 03, 2004, 10:54 AM
Article H.
No person shall hold multiple positions of leadership
(President, Department Leader, Judiciary, Provincial
Governor) simultaneously.

Should article H. of the Constitution be amended as follows?



Article H.
No person shall hold multiple positions of leadership
(President, Vice-President, Department Leader,
Judiciary, Provincial Governor, Deputy) simultaneously,
nor shall have more than one accepted nomination at the
commencement of the general election.

The text in bold indicates the wording in Article H which would be changed if the Amendment is ratified.

To see the discussion of this amendment and how it was arrived at, please click here. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=95241)

This poll will remain open for 96 hours, after which time it shall be considered to be Ratified or Defeated.

Cyc
Aug 03, 2004, 11:00 AM
I voted YES, these are good changes. But you still didn't make this a Public Poll, Comnenus. :nono:

Noldodan
Aug 03, 2004, 11:14 AM
I voted NO to this poll for the following reason: according to the results of this poll, (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=93790) it has been determined that people should be allowed to run in more than one election at a time.

Cyc
Aug 03, 2004, 11:37 AM
:rolleyes: Noldy, that poll was almost a month ago. We've learned some important lessons since then.

superpelon
Aug 03, 2004, 12:52 PM
Its important not to concentrate power into the hands of a few individuals. I vote YES.

donsig
Aug 03, 2004, 12:58 PM
I have voted yes.

Black_Hole
Aug 03, 2004, 03:30 PM
I voted NO to this poll for the following reason: according to the results of this poll, (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=93790) it has been determined that people should be allowed to run in more than one election at a time.
term 1 proved that that was a bad idea

Comnenus
Aug 03, 2004, 03:43 PM
I voted NO to this poll for the following reason: according to the results of this poll, (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=93790) it has been determined that people should be allowed to run in more than one election at a time.

I took a look at that poll. While a slim majority of votes cast called for multiple candidacies, I believe you are misrepresenting the poll outcome by saying it was "determined". The options to have a limited number of nomination acceptances and to have only one nomination accepted per citizen tied with 8 votes each. Only 2 votes were cast for unlimited nominations. Even if you consider that most voters wanted some version of allowing multiple candidacies, the number allowed was never determined (unless you can point out a subsequent poll on the issue.) And following proper polling procedures, supporters of an unlimited number of nominations lost outright, and there should have been a runoff poll for the two options that tied. Therefore, this was never determined.

Epimethius
Aug 03, 2004, 06:07 PM
I say No. While a limit is good, one is too strict.

blackheart
Aug 03, 2004, 06:21 PM
I vote no. Allowing people to run for multiple offices does not concentrate power in the hands of the few. It encourages democracy by adding more competition for candidates.

Cyc
Aug 03, 2004, 10:32 PM
Bah! Only allowing a citizen to accept one Nomination by Election time opens up more Offices to more people. It's the right way to go.

KCCrusader
Aug 04, 2004, 12:20 AM
I vote Yes. Its wrong to run for something, win, then pull out of the race because you won another race.

jst666
Aug 04, 2004, 01:32 AM
I vote Yes. Its wrong to run for something, win, then pull out of the race because you won another race.

Good reasoning, it's YES.

Cyc
Aug 04, 2004, 04:27 AM
15 more YES votes, people! A little help here. :D

Bobby Lee
Aug 04, 2004, 01:28 PM
VOTE YES! people need to make up thier minds on what office they want, not simply run for a few (or many) and then take whichever they like best...

Black_Hole
Aug 04, 2004, 02:22 PM
Vote Yes !
btw does anyone know how many votes this takes to pass?

mhcarver
Aug 04, 2004, 02:45 PM
I believe you need 38 votes

Comnenus
Aug 04, 2004, 02:52 PM
I believe you need 38 votes

Have to check that. There are 113 registed citizens as of this writing, but Article I says the census is the average number of votes cast in the most recent general election.

Comnenus
Aug 04, 2004, 03:02 PM
I believe the census to be 60: 669 votes cast in last general election (not counting the runoffs), divided by 11 offices voted for, and drop the fraction.

According to Article I we need 2/3 of the census to be Yes votes, therefore the number to pass should be 40.

mhcarver
Aug 04, 2004, 06:24 PM
I was just quoting immortal and possibly cyc(I don't remember and am to lazy to check it out) saying it was 38 but if that's changed then so be it

Comnenus
Aug 04, 2004, 08:57 PM
I was just quoting immortal and possibly cyc(I don't remember and am to lazy to check it out) saying it was 38 but if that's changed then so be it

No, I was informed that 38 is the count. The runoffs are taken into account, and I didn't do that in my calculations. :)

Donovan Zoi
Aug 04, 2004, 11:12 PM
OK, we have 2 1/2 days to get 9 votes. Less pass this one, Japanatica! :D

Comnenus
Aug 05, 2004, 09:48 AM
Just a reminder to please VOTE!

Comnenus
Aug 05, 2004, 02:17 PM
6 votes to go, less than 2 days left.

Please vote now....

Donovan Zoi
Aug 05, 2004, 10:44 PM
:bump:

We need 4 votes for this measure to pass. And while you are here, please vote YES in this thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=95999) so that there will be no more hand-wringing about the passage of near-unanimous polls such as this.

Comnenus
Aug 06, 2004, 07:28 AM
Still need 4 votes with a day to go. Vote now, or I'll keep harping on this!

Comnenus
Aug 07, 2004, 11:27 AM
Another one bites the dust with 85% approval.

Black_Hole
Aug 07, 2004, 12:22 PM
*sigh*, i guess we have to wait until after the next election

mhcarver
Aug 07, 2004, 04:50 PM
maybe not, with the recent approval of article I we might be able to get this one through

Black_Hole
Aug 07, 2004, 05:43 PM
maybe not, with the recent approval of article I we might be able to get this one through
yep, i forgot all about that when I posted above