Hello, I have just finished to read a book on the gaulish war against Jules Cesar and the romans... It was not only about the gaulish but too about the celts ... I liked it so much ( I didn't know that celts have invented so many stuffs ) that I decided to work on a mod ...

Your help, ideas and advices are welcome !!

Here you will find the state of this project : Edited 09/08/2004


The TITLE : Celts - Romans, the 1000 years war

ERAs : 4

- ERA 1 : beginning of the civs, tech tree :
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/ERA1.jpg
- ERA 2 : Bronze Age
- ERA 3 : Steel Age
- ERA 4 : Post-steel Age

Map :

A big map with Ireland, England , France , a part of Italy , a part of Spain and a part of Germany

Technologies :

ERA 1 :
- salt mining ( posted see my library )
- Olive tree working ( posted )
- Grindstone for Olives ( posted )

ERA 2 :
- "murus gallicus" ( posted see my library )
- Celt's currency ( posted see my library )
- Glass working (posted see my library )
- Chainmail ( posted see my library ) : needs steel working

ERA 3 :
- Steel working ( posted see my library )
- Mosaic creation ( posted )

ERA 4
- threshing machine

Wonders :

ERA 1
- Dun Ailine sanctuary ( Celts - Ireland ) religious structure ( posted )

Resources :

- horses ( ERA 1 : needs equitation )
- gold
- copper ( ERA 1 : needs metal mining )
- tin ( ERA 1 : needs metal mining )
- iron ( ERA 2 )
- glass ( ERA 2 )
- wood
- stones
- olive oil ( lux res ) : needs Olive tree working and grindstone for Olives
- wine : (ERA 1 : needs vine working and grape pressing )
- beer : ERA 1
- glass things ( lux res ) : ( ERA 3 : needs glassworking )
- silver
- sheep ( ERA 1 : needs domestication )
- cattle ( ERA 1 : needs domestication )
- wild pig
- salt ( lux res ) : ( ERA 1 : needs salt mining )
- Luxury pottery : ( ERA 2 )

Civilizations :

France
- 1 civ : The Arvern with Vercingetorix
- 1 civ : The Aedui with Divitiacus the druid
- 1 civ : The Carnutes with a Druid leader

Helvetics: 1 civ with Orgetorix

Ireland

- 1 civ with Conaire Mac Ederscel

Brittany

- 1 civ : the Iceni with Boudicca
- 1 civ : the Catuvellauni with Cunobelinus

Scotland

- 1 civ with Picts

Others
- 1 civ : The Romans with Caesar
- 1 civ : The Greeks ( south of France ) with Protis
- 1 civ : The Germans with Ariovistus of the Seubi

I'm doing some 5th Century leaderheads at the moment, some of which might fit for the scenario. Sounds interesting!!

I'm doing some 5th Century leaderheads at the moment, some of which might fit for the scenario. Sounds interesting!!

I have just seen your leaders... great as always ... I need several gaulish and celt leaders for this mod ... For example, I'm thinking to have the "Eduens" ( not sure in english ... ) these gaulish people were the allies of the romans..
I think I could use some of the leaders you made and I have seen ...

For the moment, i'm thinking to :

- Jules Cesar ( of course )
- Vercingetorix for the Arverns
- A leader for the Eduens
- A leader for the Greeks ( in Marseille - Massalia )
- A leader for the Germans
- A leader for the Celts in England
- A leader for the Celts in Ireland
- A leader for the Carnutes ( Druids ? )

If you gimme a year you want to set it in I can look up the name of the High-king of Ireland, in the annals for the leader of the Irish Celts (Gaels). Do you want 50's BC or a hypothetical time the Romans could have invaded by? How about Conaire Mac Ederscel, high king of Ireland in the Decade after the Gallic wars?

For thr Britons, how about Boudicca of the Iceni, or even better Cunobelinus of the Catuvellauni? When you say Eduens, is that the french version of Aedui? For Germans how about Germans Ariovistus of the Seubi, who fought Ceaser?

Hello Frenchman,

Do you plan to make a mod focused on the Celts as the playable civ? We just started to discuss another mod on the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire where the Celts would have their word to say as well, although the player should incarnate the Romans.

Here! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=95904)

I planned to keep the 'barbarians tribes' very primitive (that is including the Celts! :mischief: ), but I am all ear to learn about their achievements and how the roman did benefit from them (or not) once Caesar has come through.

Maybe can we work in parallel!

If you gimme a year you want to set it in I can look up the name of the High-king of Ireland, in the annals for the leader of the Irish Celts (Gaels). Do you want 50's BC or a hypothetical time the Romans could have invaded by? How about Conaire Mac Ederscel, high king of Ireland in the Decade after the Gallic wars?

For thr Britons, how about Boudicca of the Iceni, or even better Cunobelinus of the Catuvellauni? When you say Eduens, is that the french version of Aedui? For Germans how about Germans Ariovistus of the Seubi, who fought Ceaser?

Your help and knowledge on Celts are welcome.... I think that AEDUI is right , I will check in my books ..I'm thinking of a mod which could go through 4 ages from 600 BC to 500 AD for example ... For example my "Murus Gallicus" technology could appear in the second ages ...
I will edit my first post with your suggestions ...

Hello Frenchman,

Do you plan to make a mod focused on the Celts as the playable civ? We just started to discuss another mod on the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire where the Celts would have their word to say as well, although the player should incarnate the Romans.

Here! (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=95904)

I planned to keep the 'barbarians tribes' very primitive (that is including the Celts! :mischief: ), but I am all ear to learn about their achievements and how the roman did benefit from them (or not) once Caesar has come through.

Maybe can we work in parallel!

Hello Pinktalapia ! My mod would be focused on the Celts civilizations in France, Ireland, and England with Rome, Greek in South France and Germans ...I'm thinking to a big map with Ireland, UK, and France. A map where you have the "Rhone" river which could be used by galley up to Lyon.
2 squares of sea for example.. We can work in parallel , I have already posted three new tech choosed icons for this mod ...

Good! I could use salt mining as well. BTW, steel? Celts must have masterized iron working from the Greek by VIIIth century BC or so, but steel comes way later, well after the Romans are gone.
I hope someone will design Celtic cities, taking models with places like Castle Maiden. It would look great for a walled settlement!

Good! I could use salt mining as well. BTW, steel? Celts must have masterized iron working from the Greek by VIIIth century BC or so, but steel comes way later, well after the Romans are gone.
I hope someone will design Celtic cities, taking models with places like Castle Maiden. It would look great for a walled settlement!

Good remark ... :thanx: ... I was thinking iron ...

No, Celts used Charcoal when making weapons so accidentally had Steel coated Blades, so steel-making is fine. They didn't know they were making steel but knew the best way to make a sword blade. In fact accidentally making steel was quite common. India also did it and I'm sure a lot of others did too. And besides that I disagree that they MUST have learnt Iron working from the Greeks, what was to prevent them discovering it on their own, or of the Hittites etc...

Right Aedui it is then. In that case I recon the leader should be the Druid Divitiacus. Druid commanded huge power and this guy met Ceaser and went to Rome seeking aid.

Do you want more Gallic tribes and leaders?

If you're spreading out the Timeline would you like me to pick a more famous/colourfull king for the Gaels, or stick to Conaire?

Since I chose a Druid leader for the Aedui, do you still want a Druid leader for the Carnutes?

Any other way I can help?

EDIT: I have no Idea who the leader of Massilia should be..Sorry

Right Aedui it is then. In that case I recon the leader should be the Druid Divitiacus. Druid commanded huge power and this guy met Ceaser and went to Rome seeking aid.

Do you want more Gallic tribes and leaders?

If you're spreading out the Timeline would you like me to pick a more famous/colourfull king for the Gaels, or stick to Conaire?

Since I chose a Druid leader for the Aedui, do you still want a Druid leader for the Carnutes?

Any other way I can help?

EDIT: I have no Idea who the leader of Massilia should be..Sorry

Hello Tathlum ! Thank you for your help .. I have taken Divitiacus for the Aedui.. I put Protis for the Greek this is the name of the chief of the first greeks who founded Massalia... For the Carnutes I don't know for the moment, I'm thinking to put a belgian civ to replace them ...
For the Iron/Steel question you are totally right ...For the others Ireland civs ,I have found a map with tribes and I'm looking about all that ..
:thanx: To be continued ...

Yeah, go with the Belgae.
Your welcome BTW....

As a Swiss I should be offended that you didn't include Orgetorix and his Helvetics (the abbreviation of Switzerland is CH = Confoederatio Helvetica = Union of the Helvetics... :)). ehm which other tribe would then be in Switzerland? At the moment, I can't recall all the positions of the tribes you mentioned.

Historically they are important as they were one of the first enemies of Caesar. You just have to think of Bibracte....

And a tech you certainly have to include is a thresh machine (right word, I don't know the english word and only have a very small dixionairy with me now). Because this is one thing the romans learnt from the celts. (As I recall)

otherwise, good luck. mitsho

I agree the Helveti should be in. With Gaestati as their UU, using the Pictish Warrior graphics. And yes the threshing machine, Chainmail and four horn saddles were all "borrowed" from the Celts.

EDIT: Maybee we should let Frenchmen decide how many tribes he wants, before we demand the Senones, Venetti, Briganties, Boii....and on and on, there were a LOT of Celtic tribes spread from Ireland to Turkey....

As a Swiss I should be offended that you didn't include Orgetorix and his Helvetics (the abbreviation of Switzerland is CH = Confoederatio Helvetica = Union of the Helvetics... :)). ehm which other tribe would then be in Switzerland? At the moment, I can't recall all the positions of the tribes you mentioned.

Historically they are important as they were one of the first enemies of Caesar. You just have to think of Bibracte....

And a tech you certainly have to include is a thresh machine (right word, I don't know the english word and only have a very small dixionairy with me now). Because this is one thing the romans learnt from the celts. (As I recall)

otherwise, good luck. mitsho

Ok for the Helvetics and Orgetorix... ;)

I agree the Helveti should be in. With Gaestati as their UU, using the Pictish Warrior graphics. And yes the threshing machine, Chainmail and four horn saddles were all "borrowed" from the Celts.

EDIT: Maybee we should let Frenchmen decide how many tribes he wants, before we demand the Senones, Venetti, Briganties, Boii....and on and on, there were a LOT of Celtic tribes spread from Ireland to Turkey....

Horn saddle ? Huumm ? I don't know this new technology ... I understand that it's a saddle for horses and that it's better for the rider but ... Have you a picture ?

For the maximum number of civs , I don't know for the moment ... I think there is a limit because with a lot of civs the game is slow like a sleeping turtle ... :lol:

Do you want more Tribes?

EDIT: did a google image search but couldn't find one, sorry. It just has two protusions infront and behind your legs. You can't brace for a lance charge with one but gives you something to grip as you fight. Its a bit cheeky of me to say the Romans got them of us as we got them from the Scythians ;)

Frenchman, I just made chainmail tech for your mod. :)

It's in Graphics forum

It's in Graphics forum

Thank you very much Odintheking ! This icon is great !! I have edited my first post ...

Isn't there already a wood-working tech in C3C?

Isn't there already a wood-working tech in C3C?
You are right !!

Do you want more Tribes?

EDIT: did a google image search but couldn't find one, sorry. It just has two protusions infront and behind your legs. You can't brace for a lance charge with one but gives you something to grip as you fight. Its a bit cheeky of me to say the Romans got them of us as we got them from the Scythians ;)

Hello Tathlum,

Thank you for your help on the saddle, I will check in some books I have ...
For the tribes , I have :
For Brittany : ICENI,TRINOVANTES,CATUVELLAUNI,ATREBATES,CANTIACI, DUROTRIGES
For Ireland : well ... No Tribes .. Could you help me ?
I'm thinking to add a civ with Picts in Scotland ...
:thanx:

EDIT : I think I have found a pic for the saddle :
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Roman-saddle.jpg

Do you need any more techs than the ones specified?

Do you need any more techs than the ones specified?

For the moment, I need "vine working" which is a tech that allows the resource Wine and "Olive tree working" which a tech that allows Olive Oil ...
The vine and the Olive tree must be especially prepared in order to give good fruits ... :thanx: if you can help ...

In Ireland the situation was a little more settled, though no less warlike than most of the Celtic world. The country split into 5 "Cuiga", the five provinces of Ulaid, Mumhan, Connachta, Laighin and Mead, made up of Tribal confederations. Although Tribes came, went, split, united, died out etc the Cuiga stayed relatively stable, keeping the same capitals etc for centuries. So for Ireland you could use on of the Cuiga (Ulaid, Mumhan, Connachta, Mead, Laighan) or an actual Tribe (Del Cais, Desi, Dal Riodha, Oriel, Connachta) or one of the Ledgendary 7 tribes from the book of conquests (Tuath de Dana, Fir Bolg, Sons of Miled etc..)

Either real Tribes or the Cuiga are the best choices. Just let me know what you want and how many you want and I'll make more detailed suggestions..

I think you're best off having most of the Tribes in Gaul(6-7?), rather than Briton(@3-4?) and Ireland(@2?), just thinking of map area. If you're looking for more Tribes, there's always the Balkans, northern Italy and Northern Spain. Gaul was really the Celtic heartland.

Thank you Tathlum ... I will take your advice for 2 civs in Ireland... At the moment I reread the Gaul war written by Cesar in order to determine the most important tribes in Gaul..
Have you seen the pic for the saddle ? I think it's what you were speaking about ?

Yes thats the type of thing I was on about....

Frenchie, I just got back from Barnes and Noble. I bought an Irish history book. A good tech would be tain, when Celtics stole eachother's cattle. This practice still continues in Ireland, :D and it would be a good tech. It would be good in 3-D, so can you make it? I cannot make 3-D graphics.

Newgrange would be a good wonder...

I'll add a vote for Newgrange....

Frenchie, is this good for a vine-working tech?

Frenchie, is this good for a vine-working tech?
I would like something more "farming", but the picture is great and I will use it like model to create a 3D picture because the arrangement is great ...
:thanx:

EDIT : I have found pictures for newgrange I will try to make a wonder ...

Here is a preview of new techs :Mosaic creation , Olive tree working and grindstone for Olives
I will post these techs in my library by three..


EDIT : Techs posted in my library

With Olive tree working and Grindstone for Olives you allows the luxuary resource Olive Oil

==> http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/FR-OLIVEOIL.JPG

The Oil resource is from Ceasar 3, huh :groucho:

The Oil resource is from Ceasar 3, huh :groucho:

Yes !! I like this graphic ....

Ceasar III, what a game! I could never get past the Carthage level...

Do you have ideas for units?

This is just a pet hate of mine but I feel I must voice when evr possible.

The celts where not and have never been a Civilization. It is a popular miss conception that the Celts spanned a great part of europe in small pockets this is not entirely true. Celt is term that the romans gave to tribe who followed in the religious beliefs of the druids but still kept there trible identities. The Druids served as advocates of the gods and atracted many tribes to there calling including the tribe of England, France, Germany, Wales, Scotland, Ireland and the netherlands.

So as you may well guess I was quite annoyed when Firaxis did a Celtic Civ, But you can't trust Americans to get anything right when it comes to History. :mad:

This is just a pet hate of mine but I feel I must voice when evr possible.

The celts where not and have never been a Civilization. It is a popular miss conception that the Celts spanned a great part of europe in small pockets this is not entirely true. Celt is term that the romans gave to tribe who followed in the religious beliefs of the druids but still kept there trible identities. The Druids served as advocates of the gods and atracted many tribes to there calling including the tribe of England, France, Germany, Wales, Scotland, Ireland and the netherlands.

So as you may well guess I was quite annoyed when Firaxis did a Celtic Civ, But you can't trust Americans to get anything right when it comes to History. :mad:

:thanx: for this remark ...I'm surprised to see so much :mad: in your text ... it's a game !! You are right on the fact that the Celts never built a common civilization but I think they have a cultural community which is the beginning of a civilization...They didn't have the time to be allied by a big king because they were totally surrounded by ennemies ( I speak for Center Europe ).. Considering Ireland, I think we can admit that the celts in Ireland have built an original civilization... But I'm not an historian ...Coming back to the game and seeing all the cultural aspects of this people I think it's a good idea to create a celts civ even if it's a dream ... This game is made to make us dreaming .... In my Mod, I will have different civs for every big Celts Tribes... So the history is respected ... If we consider Rome it was not more than a tribe ( 1 city ) at his beginning... :thanx: Always happy to discuss history ..

Hello,

I have just posted the first project of tech tree ERA 1 in the first thread. Of course I will limit some tech like Olive Oil to Romans ...
Your advices and comments are welcome ...

Here is a preview of the new techs I'm working on :

- the Water Organ, this is a music instrument ( for the ERA 4 ) , culture :

- Archery : ( for the ERA 1 )

- Ceremonial burial ( for ERA 1 ) to replace the Firaxis one :

POSTED SEE MY LIBRARY

Do you have ideas for units?

ERA 1 = same units ( archer, warrior etc ... )
ERA 2 ( bronze ) : spearman, swordman but in bronze, noble rider ...
ERA 3 ( steel ) : idem but improved with chainmail , war machines etc ...
ERA 4 ( post-steel ) : idem but improved with armor plates, new war machines

I just made wattle and daub. It looks kinda wierd, but I hope you like it. It's in the graphics forum

Nice idea for a mod :goodjob:

Here's some info on British tribes I found on the internet.

*Belgae The Belgae were a warlike people of ancient Northern Gaul, separated from the Celtae of Gallia Lugdunensis by the rivers Matrona (Marne) and Sequana (Seine). According to Strabo the country of the Belgae extended from the Rhenus (Rhine) to the Liger (Loire). In the opening passage of Caesar's Gallic Wars, the Belgae are described as forming "a third part of Gaul". Belgica was one of the four provinces of Gaul near the Rhine, delineated by Augustus. The British Belgae no doubt descended from a Belgic colony.


*Brigantes The Brigantes were a tribe - or perhaps more accurately a loose confederation of related tribes - of British Celts inhabiting almost all of the area between the Humber and the Tyne. The name of the tribe springs from the Celtic goddess Brigantia.
Brigantine society was primarily pastoral, in contrast with their southern Celtic neighbors. They used pots and bowls of wood and leather, though they certainly had the technological know-how to produce pottery.
At the time of the Roman invasion in 43 AD the Brigantes were arguably the most powerful Celtic tribe in Britain. Initially the Brigantes, under the lead of their queen, Cartimandua, were on friendly terms with the Romans, acting as a "client-kingdom".
In fact, it was Cartimandua who betrayed Caratacus to the Romans, thus depriving Celtic Britain of its most influential and steadfast resistance leader. It was also a fairly typical act for the Celts, who could never stop fighting amongst themselves long enough to mount a serious obstacle to the Roman advance.
Cartimandua had cause to be grateful to her Roman allies; in 57 AD her husband Venutius tried to sieze power, but the Romans put down the rebellion. The couple were reconciled for a time and ruled jointly until 69 AD, when Cartimandua deserted Venetius for his armour-bearer, Vellocatus. She eventually fled Brigantine territory and was never heard from again.
In 73 AD the governor Petillius Cerialis invaded, and defeated Venutius, but continued unrest led to Agricola finally annexing Brigantine territory for good in 79 AD. Isurium (Aldborough, near Ripon) emerged as the administrative centre of Brigantine territory, though there is no evidence to suggest any settlement there prior to the Roman invasion.
But the Brigantines were not finished; in 138 AD, when you would be forgiven for thinking that they must have been thoroughly "Romanised", they rebelled against the Emperor Antonius, who was attempting to push north from Hadrian's Wall into Brigantine territory in modern Scotland. The Romans under Lollius Urbicus quickly put down the revolt. In 154 AD the Brigantes rebelled yet again, with similar results.
Some archaeological evidence suggests that there may have been a Brigantine presence in Ireland; certainly a second century map by Ptolemy shows the Brigantes there, and excavations on the island of Lambay show Brigantine artifacts dating from the end of the first century AD. This might indicate a settlement of Brigantines fleeing from the final Roman occupation of their tribal territories in England.


*Caledonii This is the name of peoples who lived in the Scottish Highlands and Islands. The Romans used the word Caledones to describe both a single tribe who lived in the Great Glen between the modern towns of Inverness and Fort William. They also called all the tribes living in the north Caledonians. We know the names of some of these other tribes. They include the Cornovii and Smertae who probably lived in Caithness, the Caereni who lived in the far west of the Highlands, the Carnonacae and the Creones in the Western Highlands.
The Vacomagi lived in and around the Cairngorns. Other unknown tribes lived in Orkney, Shetland and the Hebrides. Warriors from many of these tribes came together to resist the Romans under a leader called Calgacus at battle of Mons Graupius in AD 84. Although the Romans won this battle, they never successfully conquered the Highlands. The Romans admired the Caledonii for their ability to endure cold, hunger and hardship. Tacitus described them as red-haired and large-limbed.
Unlike the Taexali and Venicones, the Caledones rarely made religious offerings of fine metal objects.


*Catuvellauni The main territorial ground of the Catuvellauni was to the north of Thamesis (River Thames), and to the north (modern Hertfordshire) and west (up to modern Oxfordshire) of that. They were one of the most prominent Celtic tribes of their time, and also one of the richest. Nevertheless, as with all the pre-Roman Celts, they left no written records. Their rulers are only noted after they came into contact with the Romans
Cruithni It is clear from Irish sources that the Picts were known to the non-Roman world by another name..."Cruithni or Cruithnigh." When we consider that (1) the Pictones were ancient friends of Rome during the reign of Julius Caesar, (2) broch people were called Cruithni in Galloway and Argyll, (3) Cruithni is the native Celtic name for Pict, and (4) the broch culture slowly entered Scotland completely vanishing from its former existence in the west and north, then it appears logical to equate the mysterious broch culture with the Picts. If this theory is correct, many difficulties are erased. The Pictish language is not a mystery. It was a form of Gaelic and surviving Welsh. The desertion of the brochs is explained by the Picts moving south into the devastated, although richer, lands of eastern Scotland when the Roman armies withdrew to Hadrian's Wall. This moved the Pict central kingdom into the richest district of Scotland. The Picts fought Rome for the first time in many generations. At the outcome, all people who raided the British provinces in the late years of the Roman Occupation became known as Picts.
According to the Celts, the Picts were also the Cruithni who came from the north and conquered one-third of Britain. It seems to be an inevitable conclusion that they came from the brochs of the Orkneys and Shetlands and that one-third of their land included the former territory of the Macatae in Strathmore where the later Pict kingdom was centralized. This is a drastic suggestion, and it is necessary for me to discuss this in detail. The late Professor H. M. Chadwick believed the Picts were the people of the Gallic-Wall forts at the time of Agricola, approximately 300 years before his time. The Caledonii are shown in Ptolemy's geography as holding the central mountain mass of the Scottish Highlands. The Maeatae were believed to be the people living in Mag More (Great Plain), which is Strathmore today. It is said that the Cruithni took the Mag More by the sword.
If all the above is correct, the Picts were the same people known as Caesar's allies on the coast of the Bay of Biscay. They had moved into the Hebrides, Orkneys and Shetlands following the defeat of the Veneti in 56 B.C. They expanded at the expense of the older Celtic tribes into the lands of Sutherland, Caithness, Ross and Cromarty. If Severus had pursued his advance as far as the scanty records of his campaigns indicated, he probably had contact with the Broch men ...Picts ...Cruithni. Although this is speculation, it appears that the Broch Men must have always been in opposition with the Gallic Wall tribes. Why else were the brochs constructed? Rome was too far south to be dangerous. The brochs possibly were built in anticipation of a lengthy counter attack. History sets forth the premise that for generations the Romans and Broch Men hunted in pairs.


*The Damnonii, Novantae, Selgovae and Votadini occupied, what would today be called, southern Scotland. Damnonii can also be spelled as Dumnonii, but there is no reason to suspect a connection between this tribe and the Dumnonii of south-western Britain. The Selgovae (their name is thought to mean 'hunters') were possibly a part of the Votadini - a large federation of smaller tribal groups. Around AD80, Agricola began his campaigns in Scotland. These southern tribes were conquered, and, in c.AD84 at Mons Graupius, Agricola also defeated a coalition of northern tribes - Caledonians. However, as early as AD86, the Romans began a gradual retreat south, arriving at the Tyne-Solway line about AD100. The Tyne-Solway frontier was formalised by the construction of Hadrian's Wall - ordered by the emperor Hadrian, on a visit to Britain in AD122. On the instructions of emperor Antoninus Pius (ruled 138-161), the Romans, once more, marched north. They built the Antonine Wall across the Forth-Clyde isthmus in the early AD140s, and the southern Scottish tribes were occupied for a further twenty odd years. In about AD164, the Romans, again, withdrew to Hadrian's Wall. In AD208, Septimus Severus began a campaign in Caledonia, but, after his death (in AD211 at York), Hadrian's Wall once more, and finally, became the frontier of the Empire. Although they were beyond the frontier of Rome, the tribes of southern Scotland were not beyond the influence of Rome. Several outposts to the north of Hadrian's Wall were garrisoned - the area effectively becoming a buffer zone between the northern barbarians and civilization.


*The Dumnonii is the Latin name for a Celtic tribe which emerged in the wake of the Roman withdrawal from England during the 4th century AD.
Their territory spanned Devon and Cornwall with further holdings in Somerset and Dorset. They were possibly the most powerful of all the British Celtic tribes. It is also possible that the Dumnonii held some Breton land at some point. The name of Dumnonia in Celtic is Dunein.
Originally their capital would have been at Isca (Exeter), although archaeological evidence indicates that Celtic occupation ended during the 5th century AD, no doubt as a result of the expansion of the West Saxons.
Dumnonia was effectively a collection of sub-kingdoms.
Durotriges Occupying the south-west peninsula, the Dumnonii were probably a grouping of small tribes. They did not use coins or have any large settlements. They seem to have offered no resistance to the Romans, and as a result few garrison forts were placed there. They did not fully adopt the Roman way of life, and carried on in their own style throughout the occupation. The Romans established Isca (Exeter) as the capital of the civitas.


*Iceni The Iceni were a tribe of British Celts living in the area of modern Norfolk and north-west Suffolk. After the Roman invasion they retained their territory as a client kingdom. In 47 AD the Iceni rose in revolt after the Romans tried to enforce a law forbidding the carrying of weapons. The revolt was put down and Prasagustas established as a client king. Prasutagas decided that it would be prudent to make his will assigning half of his personal property to the Roman emperor. When he died in 61 AD the Roman officials decided to interpret his will as a submission to the Roman state, so they moved to appropriate all of the Iceni lands and disarm the tribe. Not surprisingly, Prasutagas's widow, Boudicca (or Boadicea as she is sometimes known) protested. The Romans had her publicly flogged and her two daughters were raped. This high handed treatment of an ostensible ally had predictable results. In 61 AD Boudicca raised the Iceni and the neighboring Trinivantes tribe in revolt against Roman rule. It was only with some difficulty that the Romans managed to quell the Iceni uprising, and Boudicca took her own life rather than fall into the hands of her enemies. The Romans established a new capital in the Iceni lands at Caistor-by-Norwich. No record of the Iceni exists after this point, though legends suggest that large numbers fled west into Wales and eventually settled in Ireland. The known and speculative rulers of the Iceni are as follows:
Prasutagas ? > 61 AD
Boudicca ? > 63 AD

*Ordovices Celtic tribe located in the north western part of Wales. Famous for their total resistance to the Roman occupation. This tribe despite all attempts by the Romans at subjugation, managed to retain their freedom.
Silures a powerful and warlike tribe in ancient Britain, occupying approximately the counties of Monmouth, Brecon and Glamorgan. They made a fierce resistance to the Roman conquest about A.D. 48, but a legionary fortress (Isca Silurum, Ceerleon) was planted in their midst and by A.D. 78 they were overcome. Their town Venta Silurum (Cmrwent, 6 m. W. of Chepstow) became a Romanized town, not unlike Silchester, but smaller. Its massive Roman walls still survive, and recent excavations have revealed a town hall and market square, a temple, baths, amphitheatre, and many comfortable houses with mosaics, &c. An inscription shows that under the Roman Empire it was the chef-lieu of the Silures, whose ordo or county council provided for the local government of the district.


*Trinovantes In the period immediately preceeding the Roman invasion of Britain the Trinovantes tribe occupied the area of Britain now taken up by Essex. The "capital" of the Trinovantes may have been at Colchester (Camulodunum).
There is some suggestion that the Trinovantes rulers may have been "under-kings" of the Catevellauni. The expulsion of a Trinovantes prince by Cassevellaunus of the Catevellauni was the pretext for Caesar's invasion in 55BCE. The Trinovantes saw the Roman invasion as an opportunity to strike back at their northern rivals and they were quick to join with Caesar and strike against the might of the Catevellauni.
After the more permanent Roman invasion under Claudius in 43AD, Colchester became a colonia (49AD), or Roman city of the highest rank. The Trinovantes enjoyed the fruits of cooperation with the Romans until the loss of tribal territory to Roman settlers caused the Trinovantes to join with the Iceni revolt under Boudicca in 61AD, and the colonia of Camulodunum was burned to the ground.
The Trinovantes vanished from history after the failure of the Boudiccan revolt until medieval romances linked the tribe with the names of the legendary figures Brutus and Corineus, mythical founders of Britain and Cornwall, respectively.
Known and possible kings of the Trinovantes include:
Addedomeros
Dubnovellaunos

Excellent Research king Arthur Tell me do you read alot :goodjob:

@KingArthur - thanks for that research, it could be used as Civilopedia entries.
@Mallek - You raise a valid point about the Celts, but I do like them in the game.

Nice idea for a mod :goodjob:

Here's some info on British tribes I found on the internet.

Known and possible kings of the Trinovantes include:
Addedomeros
Dubnovellaunos

:thanx: very much Kingarthur ... It will be very useful ... :thanx:

Glad to help. I was hoping that someone would make a mod like this :)

This is just a pet hate of mine but I feel I must voice when evr possible.

The celts where not and have never been a Civilization. It is a popular miss conception that the Celts spanned a great part of europe in small pockets this is not entirely true. Celt is term that the romans gave to tribe who followed in the religious beliefs of the druids but still kept there trible identities. The Druids served as advocates of the gods and atracted many tribes to there calling including the tribe of England, France, Germany, Wales, Scotland, Ireland and the netherlands.

So as you may well guess I was quite annoyed when Firaxis did a Celtic Civ, But you can't trust Americans to get anything right when it comes to History.

I believe the misconception is yours. The Celts were and are a civilisation, they were not one nation or one race. When the ancient Greeks were divided among many city states, with different traditions, tribes and Gods they were still considered a civilisation. Same with Germanic Tribes etc.. It was Celtic culture and civilisation that spread across Europe, not the original Celts themselves. Just like Roman civilisation did. The Irish are not the same race as the Celts who developed at Le Tene. We don't share their genetics. However our language, art, our cultural identity are undeniably Celtic. Culture, language and art are the very hallmarks of Civilisation.

I think your mixing up Civilisation and Nationhood. The Celts are not one nation but we are definately a civilisation. They were not one homogenised mass, they were divided into many tribes, true, but they had their own idividual social structure, languages, art and culture.

Also it was the Greeks who called us Celts (Keltoi), the Romans called us Gauls. The name they used to refere to the type of religion they saw in the Celts was neither. That name was Pagani and is the root of the word Pagan.

Anyway, this is a mod including many Celtic Tribes not one overall Celtic Civilisation.

Personally I wasn't the least bit angry that Firaxis included my Civilisation.

The Celts were and are a civilisation,
Personally I wasn't the least bit angry that Firaxis included my Civilisation.

I totally agree with this point of vue ... Celts are definitively a CIV ...
I don't know why but I like the Celts ...

Celts were a good, strong choice for a Civ in England. I never liked Liz..

Need any new techs?

Need any new techs?

yes I need
- Roman fort
- Roman pilum strategy ( you know the legionnary has two pilum and one spear + a sword )
- Roman writing
- grape pressing
- "hypocauste" ( in french ) = roman heating

Would this be good as a tech or a building?

Would this be good as a tech or a building?

Looks good for a building for example Library ... :thanx:

It's a military academy from Ceasar 3, Do I just put pink background to make it a building?

It's a military academy from Ceasar 3, Do I just put pink background to make it a building?

I think there are minimum four pictures to make to create a building in the game : two for the civilopedia and two for the cityscreen...

Hmmmmm.....

What size should they be?

What size should they be?

The civilopdia pics are 128x128 and 32x32 but I don't know exactly for the city screen I have to check ...

Would this be good as a tech or a building?

I like it - obviously from Caesar III, like you said. There's plenty of other buildings in that game which could be useful for buildings in this mod and others - had you considered doing a set?

I like it - obviously from Caesar III, like you said. There's plenty of other buildings in that game which could be useful for buildings in this mod and others - had you considered doing a set?

I think that it has been already done ... If I good remember I saw a set in this forum but where ?...

Someone has to dig that out! A full set of roman buidlings??! :D

here's a map of tribes in Gaul :

http://www.lexilogos.com/images/gaulois.gif

Visit the site, it's done by a friend of mine from Marseille :
http://www.lexilogos.com/gaulois_peuples_carte.htm


and here's a map of belgae from my site :
http://users.skynet.be/maissearsouye/histoire/hi_celtes.gif

:thanx: very much these maps will be very useful for me !! :)

Someone has to dig that out! A full set of roman buidlings??! :D

I have found the player ... see the link :

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68513

Do you have any more wonders planned?

Thanks Frenchman, that could save a lot of time!

What happened? Suddenly the thread just ended.... any more info Frenchie?

I've decided to :bump: this thread seeing that I've done Boudicca for you - see my signature for the preview thread.

Is this project going to be continued? It'd be a shame to forget about it, you did some really good work on this.

I recently PMed frenchie, and here was my reply.
I have no time at the moment and my mod is in "stand by" even if I continue to research wonders and new ideas in books...
I come to CFC only from time to time ...


We can still do stuff even though he does not frequent the site anymore. I don't se why such a good mod should be ignored.

I've decided to :bump: this thread seeing that I've done Boudicca for you - see my signature for the preview thread.

Is this project going to be continued? It'd be a shame to forget about it, you did some really good work on this.


Hello R8XFT and Odintheking !!

R8XFT, I have seen your Boudicca and she looks great !! :thanx:
For the Mod, even if I'm in "stand by" at the moment for some personal reasons, I think I will be back ... If you want to take back the first idea and to continue to develop this mod yourself, don't hesitate ... I totally agree ...

:)

Good! I could use salt mining as well. BTW, steel? Celts must have masterized iron working from the Greek by VIIIth century BC or so, but steel comes way later, well after the Romans are gone.
I hope someone will design Celtic cities, taking models with places like Castle Maiden. It would look great for a walled settlement!

Celts (at least in central Europe) were actually by far the superior metalworkers during the early days of Roman expansion. They weren't superceded by the Meditteranean cultures until around the 1st century BC, and in any case didn't obtain their knowledge from the Greeks but more likely vice-versa. The Celts spread from Asia Minor into Europe, as a culture (not a race as many presume). They brought with them a number of innovations - chariot warfare and melted iron, principally. They remained masters of smithing in Europe throughout the Hallstatt and La Tene periods.

They don't lose the advantage in metalworking until about 100BC, for various reasons, namely that the Romans had learned advanced metalworking techniques developed in India (the real masters of smithing in the ancient world and the inventors of wootz steel crucible process at some debatable time between 500BC and 100 AD). As far as the existance of steel during the Roman era, its quite likely, but debatable. Certainly the Romans did not know any technique to forge steel, but they may have imported it from the east. The Celts themselves didn't know how to manufacture steel during their heyday - it wasn't until they were pushed into the margins that they began to use it, and only then after it was common knowledge.

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Hello Odintheking !!

Have a look in my library, if you want, I have posted three new techs ... :)

Duuuuuuuuude. These are awesome. These are perfect for my mod as well. It's good to see you back.