In the absence of my superior, Curufinwë, his honorable Minister of Culture, I have been instructed to poll the will of the people about the wonders of the ancient age.

The goal of this polling process is to define which wonders the people have most interest building. This discussion is, altough very simple, extremely important for further planning by the culture ministry.

This discussion will go on untill august the 6th. On the said date, at a yet undefined hour, I will set an informal multichoice poll to get the figure.

Now, let's get on with the question: Considering an informal polling of your will, select the wonders of the ancient age that you consider the most worth building.

In any given democratic system, information is considered the key to freedom. So, I'll inform you:
The wonders of the Ancient age

The Collossus: Availible with Bronze working. May be built in a coastal city only. Adds one gold to every tile that produces gold in the city. Rendered obsolete by Flight. Religious
The Pyramids: Availible with Masonry. Gives every city in the continent a Granary. Religious
The Great Library: Availible with Literature. Gives us every tech know by at least two of our known Foreign Countries. Rendered obsolete by Eduction. (also the most culture intensive building in the game)
The Great Lighthouse: Availible with Map Making. May be built in a costal city only. Gives our galleys +1 movement and safe access to sea tiles. Rendered obsolete by Magnetism.
The Oracle: Availible with Mythology. Gives our continental temples an extra content face. Rendered obsolete by Theology. Religious
The Great Wall: Availible with Construction. Gives our units a 50% bonus against Barbarians and double the bonus of City Walls. Rendered obsolete by Metalurgy. Militaristic
The Hanging Gardens: Availible with Monarchy. Makes 3 unhappy citizens content in its city and one unhappy citizen content in our other cities. Rendered obsolete by Steam Power.

Discussion thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=95781)

Please vote for no more than 2 options.
This poll will last 96 hours.
This new poll has been posted to fix the Hanging Gardens problem

I hope this time the poll is not going to become invalid and all the votes goes to the Giant Radioactive Monkey :p ;).

The ministry of culture cannot give any indication if this poll might turn one of our beloved jungle monkeys into a giant, obliterating, radioactive monkey. Please come back when we have learned about fission. :nuke:

The ministry of culture cannot give any indication if this poll might turn one of our beloved jungle monkeys into a giant, obliterating, radioactive monkey. Please come back when we have learned about fission. :nuke:

There are monkeys that don't live in the jungle? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Yes European monkeys in Gibraltar, and mountain monkeys in Japan.

I guess the mountain monkeys vote for a city in the middle of the mountains, instead of colonies to gather the diamonds.

Hanging Gardens and Pyramids...and it seems to be the final order...

i like the colloses and pyramids the best, but I want to wait on the collessus until we know which city will produce the most income

I shall abstain until more information is gathered through exploration (for example, how large our landmass is).

I love The Collossus and the Great Library (partly because I a big bookworm :)), but I would happy if the Pyramids are built.

And if we're on island alone, we should shoot for the lighthouse, so we can contact other civs, trade techs and then start to destoring them.

The Hanging Gardens are far from important. They only help in 1 city, and at that, if you have enough luxuries, the effect is negligable.

BIIIP

Wrong

In addition, 1 happy per additional city

Hanging Gardens are worthless in my opinion, just get more luxuries to offest unhappy citizens. Pyramids and the Great Library are what's really needed. If another civ gets the Great Library then they get a tech advantage. Even if we don't really need the GL we want to keep it out of the hands of another civ.

Hanging Gardens are great for culture.


I say we build them all.

Hanging Gardens are great for culture.


I say we build them all.




YEAH!! i second that!! build them all!!

Hanging Gardens are worthless in my opinion, just get more luxuries to offest unhappy citizens. Pyramids and the Great Library are what's really needed. If another civ gets the Great Library then they get a tech advantage. Even if we don't really need the GL we want to keep it out of the hands of another civ.

Less unhappy people -> higher city population, less military police needed, higher score, less War Wariness. that's like saying instead of getting luxaries just go for the Religious buildings, and don't trade for any Luxaries.... every little bit helps, esp. those 3 happy faces in the city it's built in... Secondly we're not gonna be getting all 8 luxaries till much later in the game.

Abstain, public poll.

-- Ravensfire

Abstain, public poll.

-- Ravensfire

Hehem, the public polling is there for two good reasons: ensure that citizens are voting and ensure that there is no one that votes all or such.

What is your problem with public polling anyway?

Less unhappy people -> higher city population, less military police needed, higher score, less War Wariness. that's like saying instead of getting luxaries just go for the Religious buildings, and don't trade for any Luxaries.... every little bit helps, esp. those 3 happy faces in the city it's built in... Secondly we're not gonna be getting all 8 luxaries till much later in the game.

The thing is Hanging Gardens will only make one citizen content per city. The only city which will be able to build it probably will be our capital, which we need for other things. It gets obsolete later too. The Pyramids would be our best choice because they never obsolete.

Blackheart, but dig deep in your soul, do we really need the pyramids, this game?

Civ3 is so sophisticated that it enables multiple strategies to succeed, and good Civplayers do not lean on pyramids and pottery as a default solution.

Hehem, the public polling is there for two good reasons: ensure that citizens are voting and ensure that there is no one that votes all or such.

What is your problem with public polling anyway?

Keep in mind that Honorable Ravensfire was CJ for the Secret Police Judicial system. He probably just doesn't want people to know how he votes. ;) :scan:

Blackheart, but dig deep in your soul, do we really need the pyramids, this game?

Civ3 is so sophisticated that it enables multiple strategies to succeed, and good Civplayers do not lean on pyramids and pottery as a default solution.
actually i believe there are more tendencies to lean on the great library instead... altho the pyramids is the best wonder in the game

Pyramids are only the best if we're on a landmass supporting 7 or more cities.

Keep in mind that Honorable Ravensfire was CJ for the Secret Police Judicial system. He probably just doesn't want people to know how he votes. ;) :scan:

Coming from the CJ who works to keep public comments away from rulings, who has gone out of his way to silence those he doesn't like, and much prefers insults and personal attacks to issues, thanks Cyc! I'm honored.

It is interesting that I express a preference for non-public balloting, and get nicely slammed over it. For shame! My preference is privacy. For some reason, I kinda like privacy. You may ask how I vote on something - it should be up to me to determine my viewpoint. I've already seem one public attack on someone because of their voting choice in a public poll, when all that person did WAS vote!

I will continue my protest against public polls for citizen votes. Quite honestly, I fully expect Cyc to continue his tirade, and look forward to the daily laugh I get from his antics.

-- Ravensfire

Perhaps we could hold a public poll on you moving back to Fanatica (reference your avatar sig). But, of course, you would have to abstain. :D

Perhaps we could hold a public poll on you moving back to Fanatica (reference your avatar sig). But, of course, you would have to abstain. :D

Ah, excellent! I have gotten under someone's skin.

Good.

-- Ravensfire

This is slightly silly, we want the pyramids but arent developing the necessary technologies!

Let's do this Demogame without any Ancient Wonders.

I will continue my protest against public polls for citizen votes. Quite honestly, I fully expect Cyc to continue his tirade, and look forward to the daily laugh I get from his antics.

-- Ravensfire

I'm glad you appreciate my sense of humor, ravensfire. :cool:

But now that you have a bonifide invitation to participate in discussing the Judicial reviews, are you going to venture into the deep, dark woods of the Judicial thread? Are you going to let us know what your opinion is? Maybe you better not tell anyone :twitch: ...someone might find out...

I'm glad you appreciate my sense of humor, ravensfire. :cool:

But now that you have a bonifide invitation to participate in discussing the Judicial reviews, are you going to venture into the deep, dark woods of the Judicial thread? Are you going to let us know what your opinion is? Maybe you better not tell anyone :twitch: ...someone might find out...

Depends on the issue, my concern over it, and if I already see judicial opinions posted. If the Judiciary acts in an irresponsible manner by not actively seeking public input prior to making their decisions, I see no reason to post. If you can't bother to listen to the people, I won't bother to let you know my opinion. :rolleyes:

Simple enough, eh?

-- Ravensfire

Depends on the issue, my concern over it, and if I already see judicial opinions posted. If the Judiciary acts in an irresponsible manner by not actively seeking public input prior to making their decisions, I see no reason to post. If you can't bother to listen to the people, I won't bother to let you know my opinion. :rolleyes:

Simple enough, eh?

-- Ravensfire
Personally, I believe that Cyc has made the effort to involve people. If the people don't want to be involved, that is certainly not his fault. I sense bad blood from previous engagements.

Let's do this Demogame without any Ancient Wonders.

Hah! Out of my sight! Heretic! :wow:

So why arent we building the pyramids?

So why arent we building the pyramids?

2 words: population control.

I thought it was: Rapid Expansion