Has anyone done, or is currently working on, a Maori leaderhead???

I'm aware of Tangaloa and the Hawaiian queen that are already done, but I'm looking for a male polynesian leaderhead that is a bit more subtle, with the tatoo-work omitted (or at least greatly toned down) by the industrial or modern flcs, and also in blue-line, not technicolour.

ancient
http://www.aoteamoana.co.nz/tawhiao.jpg

another ancient
http://www.kiwinewz.com/graphics/maorichief.jpg

medieval
http://www.molli.org.uk/explorers/images/maori.jpg

another medieval (I especially like this one)
http://www.digitalus.co.nz/mokomokai/images/TeRangitopeora.jpg

industrial
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~enternz/images/tekupe.jpg

another industrial
http://www.pukeariki.com/resources/pomare.jpg

modern
http://www.janeresture.com/newzealand_postcards1/MAORI%20CHIEF%20PATARNGUKAI-NEW%20ZEALAND.jpg

another modern - this a parliamentarian
http://images.tvnz.co.nz/news/maori/john_tamihere.jpg http://www.jobsletter.org.nz/images/tamihere03.jpg http://www.jobsletter.org.nz/images/tamihere.jpg

- Redking

Is the modern really a maori? He seems to be a white man.

there already is one:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=42142

there already is one:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=42142

That is a generic Polynesian LH, Redking's asking for a Maori one specifically. I'm pretty damn sure that the Maori did not use masks like that guy is wearing anyway -- it doesn't fit the Maori.

A Maori LH could definitely be useful. Perhaps one of that chieftan (forgot his name, damn me) who took all the gifts people showered him with during his visit to England, stopped off in Australia and traded them for guns, and then proceeded to "unify" New Zealand's northern island, or something like that. :D

Rhye: the Master Kodama is correct. As my original post stated, Sween's "Tangaloa" is not what I'm looking for.

Red Threat: Yes, that gentleman is of Maori descent. Polynesians, like all human beings, are polymorphous. I'm not sure what you consider to be "white", but the same has been occassionally said of Iroquioan and Ainu peoples. Physical anthropologists often speak of Polynesians as falling within a racial cline variously combining both Australoid and Mongoloid physiognomic traits.

The Maori, and Polynesians in general, were seemingly on the verge of some self-propelled societal upheavals when Europeans intruded. IMO their inter-societal complexities, along with the technological marvel of their early ocean-going pursuits, makes them a viable Civ candidate. They just need a less-cartoonish leaderhead to get them going.

- Redking

Red Threat: Yes, that gentleman is of Maori descent. Polynesians, like all human beings, are polymorphous. I'm not sure what you consider to be "white", but the same has been occassionally said of Iroquioan and Ainu peoples. Physical anthropologists often speak of Polynesians as falling within a racial cline variously combining both Australoid and Mongoloid physiognomic traits.

I thought it was Eric Estrada...

I'm not sure what you consider to be "white", but the same has been occassionally said of Iroquioan and Ainu peoples.

The Ainu, who are, for those who don't know, a people native to Japan whose remaining population were pushed North into Hokkaido by the ancestors of modern Japanese, happen to be part of the Caucasoid (sp?) racial group, and thus are more closely related to so-called "White" peoples than they are to their Mongoloid neighbors. :D



I thought it was Eric Estrada...
:lol: :lol: I also thought he looked vaguely Hispanic.


[edit] sloppy grammar mistake :cringe:

The Ainu, who are, for those who don't know, a people native to Japan whose remaining population were pushed North into Hokkaido by the ancestors of modern Japanese, happen to be part of the Caucasoid (sp?) racial group, and thus are more closely related to so-called "White" peoples than they are to their Mongoloid neighbors.

Well, here's a tangent, since you brought it up...

The genetic and linguistic affinities of the Ainu are, as I understand it, much less certain than you just stated. My impression differs from your's, in that I believe the strongest current of thought relates the Ainu to the Formosans, and thus to the Malays and Polynesians. While the so-called Tocharians extended as far as the Tarim basin, they are the easterly-most attested of peoples with strong caucasoid features; everyone else who might exhibit similarities, is probably merely randomly similar, or demonstrates the features of a cline population (a medium between one supposed "race" and another). I'm no expert, but the pictures I've seen of the Ainu look mainly "asiatic/mongoloid", or like the polynesians/micronesians/formosans (which conjecture and common sense tells us represent a cline between australoid and mongoloid bases).

Personally, I think part of the problem with understanding the morphological relationship of the people seemingly autocthonous with the east asian isles (Japan, Ryukyus, Formosa) is that everyone wants to frame them within the context of mongoloid and caucasoid features, ignoring the australoid people who so clearly first settled the off-shore regions. And there are some coincidences between australoid and caucasoid morphology that can neatly replace one for the other when combinant with mongoloid features.

Further, unless there's research more recent than I'm aware of, the murky affiliation of the Ainu language is considered by most linguists to be with the Austronesian languages (malay, polynesian, formosan), and not the Altaic (mongol, tungus, manchu), and definitely not the Finno-Ugric nor the Indo-Euro. While language and morphology often diverge wildly, in this case, regarding ancient peoples, I think it is meaningful.

Part of the confusion arises out of an iranian-speaking people in northwestern China, also known as the Ainu, who are not related to the Ainu of Hokkaido and the Sakhalins (Russian-held island chain just north of Japanese isles).

- Redking

edit: here's some photographs of Ainu people, for those who wish to follow along in this needless aside...

http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/images/frontiers_image.jpg
http://www2.baynet.or.jp/~anplan/animal/20images/wolf/wolf3.gif
http://www.mundofree.com/origenes/tecnologia/ceramica/ainu.jpg
http://www2.gol.com/users/hefej/ainu.jpg

there already is one:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=42142


Another case of posting without reading....

@Redking: To respond to that giant chunk of asideness with another giant chunk of asideness, I merely state what I have been given to understand, which is that the Ainu are, genetically, of the Caucasoid racial group. I know they don't look like they are, which certainly made me skeptical (and I may have been missinformed, that's always a possibility).

Also, genetics and readily apparent features can often be incongruent. For a real life example, a Ukrainian woman my mother knew had epicanthic folds and some other asiatic features no doubt inherited from some distant Mongolian ancestor, but I doubt that she would have been genetically classified as Mongoloid (perhaps part of a cline population, but my own guess would be she was genetically Caucasoid).

Of course, when looking at where different peoples fall as points on a genetic spreadsheet, it becomes clear that such categorizations as "Caucasoid" are labelled largely for the sake of convenience and consensus -- though I'm not sure there even is a complete consensus, as I've seem models that include Australoids in the same category as Caucasoids, which struck me as a little odd. In the end, humanity is more of a multi-dimensional spectrum than a collection of distinct categories. There may be points on the spectrum that are more heavily represented than others, allowing us to draw lines and designate certain categories, but that doesn't make it any less a spectrum.

Now that I've ranted about nothing a bit, back to finding that Maori leaderhead!