It's obvious that we need to claim these 4 gems for Japanatica, but there has been a great deal ofdiscussion (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=95659) on how to do this, beginning on page 4. There are 3 proposals, each represented by letters on the map below. All of these will eventually claim all of the gems. If I have missed your proposal, deepest apologies. Please, instead of shouting at me, just vote “other” and post it again. This poll will be open for 24 hours. And now, here’s the map: http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/DG5_BC3450_gems1.JPG
NOTE: The letters refer to settlement locations. Two letters, two settlers.

That discussion, as the last one we had for the capital, is equally hopeless until we have mapped south of that mountain, then we may factor in if there is needed food production, military and strategic needs even more. Besides, going for Iron Working would make perfect sense now that one of these hills and mountains, statistically and surely must have some iron, and that will dictate future citybuilding to some extent. So this poll is almost as irrelevant as the Compass Poll.

Since I have to vote, I choose "other". Options B and C are too close to the water for my liking. Option A someone could still concievably steal one of the gems from us. Option B/C was not available. I still would prefer to wait before making a decision on this.

Oh, wait, one other issue to clear up: the B and the C are on the same tile, but they aren't "option B/C." Option B consists of a city on the B tile and a city on the "B/C" tile, and Option C is a city on the C tile and one on the "B/C" tile. Also, as this is a public poll, changing votes is allowed.

Oh, wait, one other issue to clear up: the B and the C are on the same tile, but they aren't "option B/C." Option B consists of a city on the B tile and a city on the "B/C" tile, and Option C is a city on the C tile and one on the "B/C" tile. Also, as this is a public poll, changing votes is allowed.

Noldy, what are you putting in your coffee? Elf Gahngi? I would have voted for option B had I not just read the above post. Please, voting for a two city option when we haven't even start building our first settler? Sheesh. :thumbdown :wallbash: :smoke:

Oh, wait, one other issue to clear up: the B and the C are on the same tile, but they aren't "option B/C." Option B consists of a city on the B tile and a city on the "B/C" tile, and Option C is a city on the C tile and one on the "B/C" tile. Also, as this is a public poll, changing votes is allowed.

But I like B/C as a city site and I don't like the others, just to make myself clear. And I would NEVER put 2 cities that close together.

is there any option for a colony or 2?

The problem I see with any colony is that we don't know where anybody is yet. If they are far away, no problem, but if they are close a colony could easily be gobbled up by them building a city.

Also, we don't have enough military might to protect colonies yet, and barbs could be a problem soon enough.

But I like B/C as a city site and I don't like the others, just to make myself clear. And I would NEVER put 2 cities that close together.
When the city is surrounded by mountanins it will not grow (I mean population will not grow) and it is no problem in building cities so close in that case. I woted C.

I voted C, however, this poll really should wait until we have fully explored the area around the Gems (which should occure next turnchat). We'll have at least a very good picture by then if not 100% complete

I voted other as this is a 2 city poll, I wouldn't put 2 cities in that small of an area ever. I would probably put one city on the "B/C" tile, the begin looking north for my 3rd city.

I like to propose the tile exactly between C and Warrior-san (also touching A and B). A coastal tile, no wasted squares and after some deforestation, 3 grassland tiles to work on. I really don't like the two city approach specified above. By the way, not very significant a question, but is A on the river? Can't tell for sure on the picture.

I agree with waiting to see more of the surrounding terrain before making a binding decision about where to place a settler. More map information helps make a better decision - especially since we are multiple turns away from actually settling the spot.

Arigato :hatsoff:

Abstain, public poll.

-- Ravensfire

Warrior is close and settler won't come yet so poll doesn't make sense. Discover teritory close to river so we can take those gems. If AI takes gems on mountains we'll eat them culturally :).
I like CC option most but i'll vote abstain at this poll.
OK there is no abstain :) Other then.

What a terrible poll; 2 sites of B, C unclear. Abstain it is (I want a different / other poll).

I would settle the C spot and the one South-East of BC.

If the polls were clear enough I would vote for Site B. But since Option B inclueded Site B and B/C. I would have to abstain. Noldy, from one person who just relearned how to write a poll to you, here is the link to the old PSC from DG3 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=54632), I hope that the information in this thread would help with future poll writings :) (Note: The Advice in the thread had information from the pre vB3.0 forums ;) )

DG5_3450BC-GEMSCITYPROPOSAL.JPG

This proposal may not get all of the gems, but we can still get the plains and coasts. This city may not be as big but it will grow and still get good production and lux.

I like Blackheart's propsal on the settelment. At least we will have 1 gems in the city's starting culture borders.

Sorry, this was somewhere else

I voted option B, but meant BC. I thought the C was next door, and didn't notice the other two Bs and Cs.

I'm serious. Why would I lie to sabotage a category that's already losing horribly? :p

I voted option B, but meant BC. I thought the C was next door, and didn't notice the other two Bs and Cs.

I'm serious. Why would I lie to sabotage a category that's already losing horribly? :p

I dont think BC is an option. Option B requires two cites on both tiles with a B. Option C requires two cities with one city on each C tile. I think I have interpreted this correctly. It is a little confusing.

Other - I don't understand this poll.

I like C as determined for the first city, but stand with many of the others that the second city location is too early to call. Since C1(let's call it.....) has far more approval than A1 or B1, I am wondering if we can still use this poll to gain a consensus on that location from those that chose Other(except protesters, of course) if we remove the second city vote.

With the gameplay session mere hours away, would the Abstainers agree with Spot C(far west) if we were only choosing one location?

I like C as determined for the first city, but stand with many of the others that the second city location is too early to call. Since C1(let's call it.....) has far more approval than A1 or B1, I am wondering if we can still use this poll to gain a consensus on that location from those that chose Other(except protesters, of course) if we remove the second city vote.

With the gameplay session mere hours away, would the Abstainers agree with Spot C(far west) if we were only choosing one location?
Well, since I have not voted and I have abstained. I just might cast my vote for site C. ;).

Personally, if we are to build a city at B or C, this is my humble opinion, we should at least move the warrior NW to see if we are getting a harbor there later on, as that may affect how large the producton center will be. Regardless I would go for location B, as Cyc requested, or NW of where we stand as Blackheart requested, we simply need to go NW in order to see if the new city location will get a future harbor or not.

So my bids would be alternative B or 1 tile SW of alternative B (NW of where we stand)

You DO know that any city planted there won't grow much... if not past size 5. (Look at the desert). Site B is the best of those 4. Let's explore more of the lands. Our 2nd city should be productive. Let's worry about gems later. We don't need them right now, nor will we need them until the late ancient era (we should be expanding, keeping our cities below the size-3 threshold.). Remember Russia in DG4? They crippled themselves with poor city placement. (hopefully we won't build the pyramids right off the bat).

There should be a fifth option, the one Blackheart recommended, but that requires us to move warrior NW to see if we get a coast there. If there is no coast for that aleternative, no question that alternative B is better.

You're right CT. Site B is the best. It will grow, and way beyond a 5. I'm sure it would turn into a great city.

This poll makes no sense. I can't believe you basing city placement with it.

Actually, Cyc, this poll only asks how we want to settle the Gems. There is no dialogue that I can see which dictates that this is the poll to choose our next city.

Therefore, I request that if a Settler be built during the next turnchat, then we stop play right there.

DZ makes for Turnchat Central.......

Actually, Cyc, this poll only asks how we want to settle the Gems. There is no dialogue that I can see which dictates that this is the poll to choose our next city.

Therefore, I request that if a Settler be built during the next turnchat, then we stop play right there.

DZ makes for Turnchat Central.......
turnchat is over, play was stopped once we got settler

I think we should only setle the tile marked BC, looks like it will get a floodplain If my eyes are correct, all the others would be horribly low on food.

I also demand further exploaration before the final decision.

Also, we shouldn't settle this first, this is only Monarch so the AI won't get there so fast even if we settle much more productive sites before this one, which would basicly be only a small colony town for grabbing the lux...

Site B would be more than a small colony town. It would grow into a very productive city.

Site B would be more than a small colony town. It would grow into a very productive city.
Not really until we have a better government, it wouldn't have any food bonuses or stuff, only plain grassland and some hills and forests... would require lots of workers to get it to be productive... site BC would grow much faster.