Well, its only in the Planning Stages, but I'm working on a combined patch/expansion which will fix all the remaining bugs with Far Horizons, as well as add numerious new units. I was also considering adding some civs to the mix.

Heres what I've considered:

-Bringing back the Iroquois
-Removing the Byzantines
-Adding the Haida
-Adding the Sioux
-Removing the Celts
-Adding Siam/Thailand

Any thoughts or suggestions?

Well, its only in the Planning Stages, but I'm working on a combined patch/expansion which will fix all the remaining bugs with Far Horizons, as well as add numerious new units. I was also considering adding some civs to the mix.

Heres what I've considered:

-Bringing back the Iroquois
-Removing the Byzantines
-Adding the Haida
-Adding the Sioux
-Removing the Celts
-Adding Siam/Thailand

Any thoughts or suggestions?

What exactly is Far Horizons? I might help for Siam
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Just saw the link. Never heard of khymerians, just of Khmers... Having Siamese and the Khmers, what of the Vietnamese? I will be downloading :)

It would be great to bring in the Haida, but I'm not so sure of losing the Celts - especially as I'm currently doing an era-specific Celt leaderhead!!

If you're bringing in more Native American civs, why not introduce some Native American wonders/small wonders/buildings similar to those used in the NA mod we did "back in the day"?

I'd be strongly against removing the Celts (too important historically AND too fun to play) but strongly in favor of adding the Sioux and Iroquois (VERY representative of most North American tribes between the two).

How would you set up Siam (characteristics, unique unit(s))? I'd have to know before I ventured an opinion. Same with the Haida really.

Haida UUs: Raider and Haida Canoe
Siam/Thailand: ?
Sioux: Mounted Warrior, Mounted Boomstickman
Iroquois: Mohawk, Thunderbird

Also, keep in mind that the NA civs will also possess a range of flavor units, such as Guards rather than Spearmen.

As for the Siamese...I have absolutely no idea on what to give them....There are a ton of Asian units avaiible here...any ideas? Keep in mind that the Kymer already have the Elephant units. Perhaps I'll give the Siam the Double Swordsman that Kymer is currently using...hmm.

On the Celts, if not them, than who? Tjedge suggested the Dutch and the Mayans....perhaps another idea would be to Combine the Mayans and Azteks into the Toltec Civilization(Which in their prime controled an empire encompassing all the Mayan and Aztek controlled areas...)

I think either the Dutch or the Mayans would be fine to lose - I actually dropped both myself (as the Dutch unique unit is SWISS :lol: and the Aztecs could cover on their own for Meso-America). If you can combine the Maya with the Aztecs and still use the Javelin thrower (I love the animation) that might be the way to go - especially if you add the Sioux, Haida, and Iroquois dropping the Native American Maya would be fine.

Haida UUs: Raider and Haida Canoe
Siam/Thailand: ?
Sioux: Mounted Warrior, Mounted Boomstickman
Iroquois: Mohawk, Thunderbird

Also, keep in mind that the NA civs will also possess a range of flavor units, such as Guards rather than Spearmen.

As for the Siamese...I have absolutely no idea on what to give them....There are a ton of Asian units avaiible here...any ideas? Keep in mind that the Kymer already have the Elephant units. Perhaps I'll give the Siam the Double Swordsman that Kymer is currently using...hmm.



All Southeast Asian kingdoms were using elephants warlike, as shock troops, although relying otherwise only on infantry. Yet, I believe it was Ayutthaya (later on known as Siam) as well as the neighbors in Burma who used mounted elephants the most extensively. I suggest you give war elephants to both Siam and Cambodia, maybe different versions (Siam's should be slightly better since they used them in later times). Another UU for Siam could be a Portuguese mercenary (using muskets). Since Cambodia was mostly down from 1200 and after (although still dominating the subcontinent) when the Siamese kingdoms started to extend, their UU should be coming early, surely a kind of infantry. A bit of Googling gave me… maiden guards :hmm:

Portuguese Mercanary...not a bad idea!

Heres by current set-up for the Kymer Pinktilapia:

Instead of Horsemen, Archers, or Cavalry, the Kymer use Elephant Riders, Elephant Archers, and Elephant Cavalry.

One idea that just came to mind is the removal of Carthage. When I took out the Indians(To make room for the Polynesians), I gave their UU to Carthage. I'm thinking of giving the War Elephant to Siam, as well as the Double Swordsman.

I'll then use the Numidian Mercanary as an African Pikeman for the Nubians, Ethiopians and Zulu.

Glad you like it - so the Dutch won't feel alone anymore having foreign mercenaries as UU :D

Can't you use two different version of war elephants for Carthage (African elephants, real big and wild) and for Siam (asian elephants, smaller yet still wide)? I saw many graphics around. Good you removed the Vanilla Indian UU, they rarely used these beast for war :)

The Siamese will be getting the War Elephant I was using for Carthage's secondary UU. I'm also going to give them Elephant Cavalry(Availible with Gunpowder), the Kymer will build normal Cavalry units after the Ancient Age(They already have enough with their two Ancient Era Elephant units if you ask me.)

Any idea who the leader of Siam should be?

Most Thai would tell the greatest ruler of Siam was King Chulalongkorn (note Siam, not Ayutthaya!) . He wasn't a warmongering leader but a great diplomat and reformist who played a great part in making his country a modern nation. Go Chula, go!

Here he is:

Carthage is getting removed in the expansion methinks. They were really more of a city state than a civilization, the civilization they'd belong to was Phoenicia, but I'm not adding them.

So King Chulalongkorn eh? Sounds interesting. I was hoping for a female leader though, there aren't any female oriental leaders in Civ or on these boards, with the exception of Frenchman's(Which unfortunatly isn't like the other Civ leaderheads, being a full person and not just a head)

Female hey ;) Ok, sure, not really an Elizabeth but quite popular recently (thanks to the movie of the same name): Queen Suriyothai (from the Kingdom of Ayutthaya, long before it is renamed Siam), who supposedly died defending her country from Burmese invaders, riding an elephant. Chulalongkorn, aesthetic apart, is still a far better choice.

A pic from the movie:

Hes sounds like he was a good king, managed to modernize Siam without the bloody wars that Emperior Menjii of Japan employed, plus he didn't butcher Siamese culture when he did it. Diffenitely a good choice for a leader..in that cause, know of any ancient female leaders of Vietnam or perhaps Indonesia?

I saw that movie recently! I thought it was very well done.

Though luck, I am not much familiar with these two. I will keep it in mind if I can dig out this old Southeast Asian history book.

Nevermind.....I guess its not really that important. Thanks for your help Pinktilapia...

Progress report: R8XFT has agreed to do a Queen Suriyothai era-specific leaderhead! This means, as Civarmy used to say.....SIAM IS COMING TO WAR!!! :lol:

Also, I've replaced Carthage, Byzantium, and the Netherlands with the Iroquois, Sioux and Haida(Both the excellilent Sioux and Haida leaderheads were done by Civarmy BTW), to properly represent the Native Americans in Far Horizons. They will have their own UUs and flavor units, and a World Map version will is already ready, which has all three of these civs in historically accurate starting locations.

-Removing the Byzantines

No Not the Byzantines, I :love: Her, She's so Pretty. :drool: She's the only good looking female leader. Someone else please.

One gone, one coming. Suriyothai, if following the movie's art, is very pretty as well ;)

She may even be better looking than Theodora....Mhahahaha!

Ok Pinktilapia...does this work for Siam:

Twin Swordsman: Instead of Medival Infantry
Portuguese Mercanary: Instead of Pikemen and Musketmen
War Elephant: Instead of Horseman
Elephant Cavalry: Instead of Knights and Cavalry.

Twin Swordsman: Instead of Medival Infantry
hum... I am not overly familiar with this twin swordsman (I hope it is not a siamese twin :D). If you make it a kind of light infantry with quick move, good attack, but low defense, why not?
Portuguese Mercanary: Instead of Pikemen and Musketmen
Yes!, altough I would keep the pikemen (pike was very much used around, uh, I think) and just replace musketmen by the mercenary
War Elephant: Instead of Horseman
Good :)
Elephant Cavalry: Instead of Knights and Cavalry.
Good

I can't wait to see R8XFT's new leaderhead

Knowing R8XFT, it will take him a maximum of two weeks to finish it, although it will probably be done in less time than that I'd think.

Don't worry, there will be no Siamese Twins in the mod...

@ Sword of Geddon : Will you reunite the download in one ?

Because is not fun to download parts

I believe Gogf was working on something along those lines actually..It may take awile though...

BTW...the expansion will be downloaded separately from the main file.

Progress Report: R8XFT's work on Suriyothai is proceding quite well, and I believe he has reached a new plateau with his leaderhead-making skills...

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Siampw2.jpg

She looks older than in the preview I was offered ;) (or it is just me?) but very Thai indeed :goodjob: Great hairs now!
Nice (and familiar) background behind the 2nd head. Arr... The clothes looks somewhat... egyptian? But I guess there must be severe shortage of relevant material for Siamese royal ornaments; it would be great to come out with clothes similar to the pic I posted on page 1 (especially the crown).

There is a shortage..the vest was Egyptian in orgin, R8XFT is trying to get the "Egyptness" of the clothing out as much as possible, to get her to look as Thai-ish as possible. The leaderhead is based off the picture from the movie you posted earlier on this thread pinktilapia.... :goodjob:

Well, the Siam Leaderhead is out, I've added all the units that needed to be added, all that remains is to actually playtest the mod.