For those who are interested :).

Any point to the conversation? :p

Some comments on nations forming. In every single game I've played where I have not influenced events, France, Russia and Spain have always formed. The only exceptions being a game as the English where I wiped out the French and a game as Sweden where I stopped Muscowy before they could establish themselves.

Ireland usually ends up being divided between random nations, scandanavia tends to remain separate although in one game Sweden had taken over Norway... It looks like if the Ottomans are ever to be powerful they need to take over Thrace since in the long term they tend to get pushed back after too many wars.

Oh and after reading the paradox forums, it looks like it wasn't just me and in fact Venice is harder to play as then it looks.

I still can't decide whether the AI is weak on EU2 or if that just makes the game more realistic...

Currently playing as Milan and have united northern Italy, Venice is my vassel and we just started a war against a large but collapsing Burgundy empire. We should win since France are also part of the alliance.

@Dell19
One question: Do you have rebels off? (alba). It is very difficult to create a large empire if all the parts want to break apart due to religious, cultural and other reasons. That is why I like playing Byzantine.

I always have greater Spain, France and Austria in my games. Russia rarely ever forms in my games I've only seen it once and it didn't colonize Syberia. I guess this particular forming is impossible for the AI. Turks usually take the "2 halfs" of Byzantine Empire (Balkans and Asia Minor), but never fight with Mameluks. Interestingly agressive nations ruin their reputaion very quickly and eventually split into parts due to continuous wars.
I never tryed any small nation (1 province) except for Croatia :). By 1509 I ended up uniting all Southern Slavs. Venice is a nice start if you can protect yourself from Hungary and Austria. I think I will try the Papal State or Toskana in my new game.

@McDread
Nice idea :) I will do that in my new game. You may want to try making a new Roman Empire with the remains of Byzantium. Its a difficult start, but around 40 national provinces are worth it :D.

@Immortal
How much of the Byzanitne Empire were you able to restore? And what is Victoira, can we have a link, plz?

I have a game as Brandenburg and I have completely unified Germany by the late 1500's (took that long because I didnt want a terrible rep). I will tell you right now that a united Germany cant lose a war, period.

Picy picy? :)

This was my attempt at uniting Germany as Saxony:

France may not be at its strongest but it had huge armies and was generally in an alliance with Austria...

@Gelion - No I play with rebels on which kind of sucks with the recent patch (1.08) as rebels start at the same tech level so they can be a pain to wipe out.

Also I'm not sure if Russia actually colonises Siberia because I cannot see the corridor usually in my games, what I meant was that they usually gain all the western mongol lands and a chunk of lithuania.

Also where is MCdread's post "@McDread"?

Thank you for the info I will not update my game now :). In my games Russia usually turned Eastwards, but I can always see if she colonised Syberia, beacuse I usually discover Syberia (the state) through diplomacy.
McDreads post was in Italia thread :). Hope he/she come here though. The more the merrier :).
As soon as I fix the new bug in my EU I'll post my Byzantine Empire pic...

MCdread is a he...

I've found out that France seems to like wars. Since I allied with them, I've been taken into two wars against England and two against Auvergne. Venice started the war against Burgundy but at least it helps my BB rating since I'm not the one fighting.

In the first war against Auvergne I gained their second province which is now completely surrounded by France, then there was the Burgundy war where I gained two provinces although it should have been alot more. The second Auvergne war saw France annex them and I gained Naples off the Papel states although if France had been less eager for peace then Apulia would have been mine as well. Now we have just started the second England war which I plan on doing nothing in except defend.

And that all happened in less than 10 years... Comedy moment, Hellas has a rebel army in it which is a 1000 short of a siege so I have left it, yet that didn't stop the province that the same rebel army had taken defecting to me from the Ottomans. :)

I'd liek to see some maps of all this personally; also, exactley how big is the scope of all these games; I mean i see pictures of europe and what not, though I have heard of the Maya, or some other central american nation...

I'd liek to see some maps of all this personally; also, exactley how big is the scope of all these games; I mean i see pictures of europe and what not, though I have heard of the Maya, or some other central american nation...
It depends on the type of game as to how much of the map is explorable. There are some campaigns where it spans most of the world - Europe, Asia, North Africa, Some of West Africa, North America, Some of South America. I haven't payed those as much as I have played the "normal" Europe campaigns.

Timespan of the main campaign is from 1419 to 1815... But you can start at 1500, 1600 or other ages if you like.
Xen, knowing you I must say that there's a game set in Roman time that is based on EU2. Maybe called soemthing like "Imperium", but I'm not sure.
In EU2 known territoires cover all Europe, whereas in other continents some areas are forever "white" and cannot be played on. You can choose any civ out of 400 (?) on the planet, but its more fun to play European or big nations (Like China or Mughals). Colonization of the New World and Syberia is also possible...

There are 100s of different nations to play as although that doesn't mean that they are all truely playable as some of the African nations really don't have the power base to stop any of the European nations from stomping through because the tech gap will be too wide... There is also a random Fantasia mode where 8 pre selected civs start in their traditional positions and are surrounded by natives. It leads to a very strange but also a very easy game especially if you start as Spain since you get a huge tech bonus over the other civs and the computer can be easily outpaced in colonising even on normal. By the time Ireland had begun colonising England, I had reached Constantinople and southern England...

Milan update, Venice accepted annexation on the first attempt although I've just had a reasonably annoying event where I had to choose an option which bankrupted the nation so that I could remain independant and it also worsened my relations with France and Austria...

Okay, I have to load EU2 up again - thanks a lot guys. ;)

Ill get a screen of my Prussia game.

My current computer cannot support EU2 video mode. Working on it....

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Prussia.jpg

Did you start at the beginning of the grand campain? When does the capital move? And what has happened to Sweden? :eek:

Thats what I usually do when I want to play Prussia with capital in Berlin. Choose Poland. Fight with both Prussia and Brandenburg. Annex them. Set Prussia free. I assume Sarevok has done the same. Btw very impressive tech results!

I started at 1419 as Brandenburg. I had a protection treaty with Prussia through the game so that no1 tried to kill them. There is an event that has Brandenburg annex Prussia, then later Brandenburg founds the kingdom of Prussia. That is how Berlin is my capital.

I set Poland free a while ago after Lithuania annexed them. Now I have taken the rest of poland. I have alot of colonies around the globe, especially because Spain was screwed by me (Admiral of the Spanish Armada was a dumb fool and sent the whole thing into the north sea, Only losing 1 ship I sank over 80 spanish ships). Still I have a tendency not to annex but to set nations free. If I had annexed I would own the nations of: Tuscany, Emilia, Milan, Hungary, Serbia, Bosnia, Poland, Kurland, Luxembourg, Lorraine, Burgundy, Bohemia, etc.

Concerning Sweden, Denmark beat them up pretty bad but I kep them alive. We had a grand Protestant alliance with Britain, but they Vasslized and annexed Sweden. Sweden is now a MESS. Off the map are territiries beling to England, Portugal, Betherlands, Lithuania, and even Helvetia.

Im always good with techs :)

Heres more screens :)


The Mughal Empire... and my Peace-Time Army stats

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Prussia2.jpg

The Situation with Sweden... and my Peace-Time Naval stats

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Prussia3.jpg

Damn proof that I have been in too many wars...

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Prussia4.jpg

My infastructure up close... and my domestic Policy...

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Prussia5.jpg

I hope you enjoyed :)

The backwards but more advanced than the Ottomans, Italian empire:

The problem that I have is that it looks like Austria is going to form a massive empire... I managed to get my alliance with France and Bavaria again so I am considering launching a war against the Ottomans when the alliance is close to expiring as then my stability should have increased a bit and I have plenty of money to increase my armies.

Now I will play as the British...

England is pretty easy to play as with the only challenge being at the start since once you take over France then Scotland should no longer be a threat and then you can colonise the new world whilst the rest of Europe fights it out...

I dont take over france, in fact I plan to give back my holdings in 1453 save Calais.

If you don't loose the provinces you have and conquer Orleans (I think) you get to keep French culture as England. I think its quite nice.

I'm not sure, I thought you just had to keep the starting provinces... Its still a much easier game to win if you take over France and I would dislike to give up provinces when I don't have to... I think I might have played EU2 too much recently and will now be taking a break from playing it as much. Its kind of annoying in my last two games I have been boxed in early on in europe after achieveing my own aims. And both times it has largely been down to France and Austria having large empires and allying together.

I usually get to a power base at such a point that I do extremely well against anything. I can tell you that in my Brandenburg-Prussia game that I have screens of, I have never lost a war.

I might be able to win a war against just Austria or just France but put them both together in one alliance and thats too much of a challenge...

Ally with Russia

Who haven't formed yet to any decent size, they have Samara but there is still Poland and Lithuania in the way. I guess I will just have to continue playing and see if the political climate ever changes whilst I can always have a second war against the Ottomans.

You can try to ally with the 4 strongest nations picking them one by one as thier alliance breaks up. Then go for the big war...

Strangely Portugal never want to ally with me even though we usually have +125 relations or higher. The other oddity is that Bavaria refuse to vassalise and I assume that there must be a reason since they only have 4 provinces so it should be possible. Croatia were diplo annexed recently so we have another province added to the empire. I have noticed that Brandenberg and Prussia are both moderately successful so I wonder when their inheritence event occurs as they might be a useful ally.

Bribe whoever you want. If you have a lot of gold bribe the nations to about 190 and then sign whatever you want. +125 is not good enough I must say :(. You'll be surprised at what you can do with enough gold. GOD I hope I'll fix my graphics!

I have lots of gold... I think I might try getting Portugal into an alliance although I will have to see what their relations are like with Spain as I am considering a war against them in the next 20 years as they are allied with the Papal States and also hold Sicily and Sardinia so I could potentially claim some worthwhile provinces considering that my only core culture is Italian. It wouldn't really make much sense to continue claiming Turkish provinces.

screw it, im going to play as Muscowy and be Russia.

That was an interesting game :)

I had begun to colonise the siberian corridor and had several Turkish provinces but my reputation really was poor after so many wars and annexations.

I think I united Russia in its 1914 borders by 1760 :). My rep was fine, but countires disliked me. I also colonized Syberia and Eastern North America. Interestingly I had a war with Spain over California and won Mexico :D.

Has anyone got any tips for buliding up a good econmy? At the moment I'm england and just won the Hundered years war and holding it togeather through the war of the rose's.

Ok...
You know you have 2 types of income: yearly and montly. Set your tech spending so that your montly income is 0. This way you get money in the end of they year and inflation is really slow which is what you want. Then try to build manufactures(factoories however you call them) as soon as you have the money. Also don't neglect trade. Send merchants to closest or wealthiest centers only as sending them costs money. Don't put trade on automatic cuz AI is stupid. Play a bit with the trade to see where you can get income. If you have good stability introcude war tax. Good income during the war, but it increases the weariness from it. Vassals bring money so instead of occupying a possibly rebellious 1-province state make it a vassal.
Yeah you can build tax collectors in capital. But if you think you'll have rebellions in a province DONT BUILD IT as it increases the rebellion factor. Later when you'll have all 3 commercial buildings researched you can build all 3 as the last 2 DECREASE the rebellions factor.
Hope thats all.

I've always promoted baliffs as soon as I can... I try to avoid raising war taxes unless it is necessary to raise the needed funds for the war as it also increases inflation. With pretty much every nation, land research should be the priority over anything else as thats what the other nations will be doing. Also if you have most of France and England then you should be able to run at between -2 and 0 and still make a good profit, at least thats been working for my Milan empire. If you have the Ile de France trade centre then I would concentrate on that one, not Flanders as that will disappear at some point to be replaced by a new Dutch one later on. Also Anglia should be a priority. Lately I've avoided trade centres unless I own them as in a war an advanced nation can block your access.

Started another game and the most interesting point is that the Ottoman empire has become very large. They actually annexed Egypt and have taken most of Persia whilst also grabbing Samara before the Russians could grab it and holding the usual portion of the Balkans. I'm quite impressed since I've never seen the AI do so well although it could hurt me later as Russia can't go south or get to Siberia so they are trying to go west instead. :eek:

What nation are you playing?
(+ who's that on your avy? :) )

Bavaria... Its worked better than Saxony as I started closer to Austria and my expansion northwards blocked their expansion going west. Plus they lost an early way to Venice.

Same as usual :p

Have you tried the "Timurid" Empire (Last Mongolian state)? It is a fun game :D. Or Byzantine like I told you?

(who's that in your avy plz :crazyeye: )

I tried Gujarat and I did have a game as Byzantium until I picked the wrong option in a decision which messed up my entire game plan.

Eliza Dushku.

Thanks :D. Never choose Catholosism, those guys never help you much :). Do you have a pic of you last Byzantine game?

I'm playing as Bavaria at the moment... I guess I could take a screenshot but I'm in the middle of a lengthy war with Austria so I am hopeful that they might give me some provinces eventually.

And here is the screenshot after gaining two provinces from Austria and then annexing Helvetia since they were vassals of France and I could just about cope with the reputation hit.

Thanks for the tips Gelion.

Here is my current game:
http://www.munzy.net/images/EU2/EU2_Derek_Austria_1514.jpg
BMP format: http://www.munzy.net/images/EU2/EU2_Derek_Austria_1514.bmp

And this is an artistic representation of my current game:
http://www.munzy.net/images/EU2/EU2_Europe-Plasma001.jpg
XCF format: [/url]http://www.munzy.net/images/EU2/EU2_Europe-Plasma001.xcf[/url]

And old game of mine where I was playing England:
http://www.munzy.net/images/EU2/EU2_England_1490.jpg
BMP format: http://www.munzy.net/images/EU2/EU2_England_1490.bmp

whats with the artist picture? bit random....

How was it worked out?

The artists impression looks a lot more like a background...

And my game as England (Not sure how uptodate the screenshot is since its an old game and it doesn't show any of my extensive colonies which were beginning to appear in India.

Here's a pic of my last Byzanitne game. The Empire is not very big, but most provinces are developed, protected and whats most important - orthodox. Remember I'm playing an Eastern European state :).

Yeah I'm on the same tech level as top Western states there. Just annexed Kosovo and made Bosnia my vassal. On the verge of a big war with Austria. I have to win that one if I want to continue expanding and possibly existing. Austria is caught up in 4 big wars all ver Europe I'll just wait till it will start breaking apart and join in the fun. The big on in the East is Perisa. I have Russia and Moldovia (yey!) as my allies.

Btw here's a good tip I rememebred: If you convert a province to your Religion and it fails, go back to last autosave and wait again. Keep repeating untill the province does convert. For example it took me 5 reloads to get 25%-chance conversion done.

Btw here's a good tip I rememebred: If you convert a province to your Religion and it fails, go back to last autosave and wait again. Keep repeating untill the province does convert. For example it took me 5 reloads to get 25%-chance conversion done.

Thats also kind of cheating... If something goes massively wrong then I can generally justify a reload but reloading for conversions seems abit odd... Although then again if it makes the game playable then I guess it is okay.

I agree its not completely honest, but I got used to doing that after 10(!) conversions failed in a aprx.30%-chance province.
Here's a question that I wanted to ask: How do you deal with Austria (no matter how small you are)? Seems to be the biggest threat in game.

Try playing inbetween Austria and France... Either way one will form a super empire. I guess Austria is easier to deal with since they start off small and if you hurt their eventual annexation targets then they can't get as large and also if you are at war with one of their diploannexation targets when their events trigger, apparently they no longer annex that nation so in some respects you can lessen their size but you need to be powerful enough and have the opportunities to take out those other nations before they become Austria.

One of the most frustrating things is watching one of the major nations expand away from you. In my current game I basically took out Bohemia and stopped Austria expanding northwest but then they went after Poland instead so they have still created a nation with a similar size to mine. In the same game I'm pretty much playing on fast most of the time now since unless I get a major tech advantage I can't see many opportunities for winning a European war unless I can get some major allies. The problem with that will be that France, Spain, Austria and Venice are all allied whilst I am allied to Sweden. I guess I could continue to expand my Ivory coast empire.

What do you guys change when it comes to domestic policies? I have been trying to maximize my Technolog by going towards Centralization and Innovativeness. When I max those out I plan on raising the Quality of troops and going towards Free Subjects (trying to make super troops).

I used The Gimp to get the artistic rep. Yes, a little random but I though it was weird.

So far in my Bavaria game I have moved towards a centralised and innovative nation and then largely left the other sliders as they are since my nation is now quite large and has plenty of non core provinces so the stab -1 hit effects me alot more than at the start. In general I find that having land over navy is best since I usually only use the sea for transporting units.

Edit: For the first time in plenty of games I'm actually ahead of all my continental rivals in military techs although for some reason Sweden are another 5 techs ahead of me...

Munzy's Austria 1603
http://www.munzy.net/images/EU2/EU2_Derek_Austria_1603_pic3.jpg
http://www.munzy.net/images/EU2/EU2_Derek_Austria_1603_pic2.jpg
http://www.munzy.net/images/EU2/EU2_Derek_Austria_1603_pic1.jpg

I have a few vassal's that I've had for over 10 years and my relations are 200 but I am not able to annex them - anyone know why?

you either lack a royal marriage or they are not the same religion as you.

Or they or you are at war. Possibly you also need to be in the same alliance.

Same alliance is a must as well as the same religion. You also (maybe) have to know the same amount of territories...

I don't think you need to have exchanged maps.

It might be the religion thing. I will have to check that. Anyone else playing a game right now besides Dell's and mine?

I've stopped playing again at least as Bavaria anyway. Had a brief game trying to play the USA campaign and found it suprisingly easy. The native nations are a push over with the only concern being the slight BB increase although I got a lot more points from declaring war and winning against England. France keep on bringing me into pointless wars but they did help me slighly against England since they lost a load of territories in a separate peace which England then gave to me. Not sure whether I will continue playing since I only have one claim left to get and that would mean another war against England who have two impossible provinces (Provinces with a fort greater than the allowed amount of troops).

How can I choose other nation without being the traditional ones?

EU2 all looks very interesting. Perhaps I'll have to acquire a copy and see if my basic EU1 strategy works (i.e., Conquer India and thence monopolize the World; and then overrun Europe ...)

@Polo,
Its what Reno told you in the other thread :). Enter a menu where you have to choose a nation. Click on the flag of a nation. It starts blinking (or is highlighted) then click with the right mouse button on the flag. Now you can choose any nation. The interesting thing is that you can pick any nation for any particular save (from the main menu). I figured that out after I could not de-vassalize a state. So I became them declared independance, saved and return back to my original power :). Its really quite interesting.
@Indorin
Buy it! If you played EU1 and like it you are going to love this one! And mate if you conquer the world with rebellions turned on I'd nominate you for godwod ;). Its a great game, but much more difficult to play than the old one.

i need to play this again...

Excellent game in all aspect's you people gave me the inspiration to play this again, Thank you. :clap:

The most successful games I had in EU2 are with Austria and Portugal (i'm plying with Papal States now, attempting to recreate the roman empire, just unified Italy)

I prefer Hearts of Iron but I still play a Europa Universalis once in a while. I had an amazingly fun game last month as the Ottoman Empire. I limited myself to only conquering the territory I have claims to, which I achieved by 1650.

Spent the rest of the game becoming the most powerful nation in the world! Forged an Ottoman-Russian Alliance which lasted all of the last century, in which I joined them in glorious wars against Poland and Austria. Good times.

With Portugal, i've made a great colonial empire (advantage-no revolts, disadvantage-it's hard to defend a big colonial empire)I colonized North America (exept canada that English and French colonized), i've conquerd Aztecs, Inca, Chímu and Mayas. And i colonized Brazil(china colonized south argentina(wierd). I colonized ALL African west, south and east coast. I magnaged to conquer all Indian small states and I conquerd Guanghzou and Guangdong from china and I colonized Australia and NZ as well Indosnia and Kamcateka. spain colonized carabienn France and english Canada and i conquerd holland before she was dutch, Therefore I never granted dutch independence.
In Austria I conquerd alll Europe exept Russia and Scandinavia, I conquerd North Africa and the middle east.
I'm playing with Papal States (to form Roman Empire) and Hungary

I'm working in the modern time scenario and a fall of rome scenario too. Coming sooooon!

I don't know if this was answered but Sar, how is there a trade center in Bohemia?

I don't know if this was answered but Sar, how is there a trade center in Bohemia?


What scenario, are you talking about?

I want EU2. But I want Crusader Kings more. All I have is HoI and Vicky...



Oh, I thought y'all might be interested, I'm Ninja Lenin! on the Paradox Forums.

I don't know if this was answered but Sar, how is there a trade center in Bohemia?
Yes how can it be possible?

I'm pretty sure that there is an event that creates a trade centre in Bohemia for a while. I seem to remember it happening in my Bavaria game until it eventually disappeared again.

to me it never happend

I have played Europa again and restarted my long dead french game: This is what has happened in a pleasant (and rather violent) 1600's:

- Small wars over Austria. Austrai dominates Germany and italy, into alsace while the spanish continue to rule the border french provinces. France is focused on its massive colonial empire in Louisiana.
- Colonial conquest. Under Brigader General Champlain, I conquer all the North American tribes, bringing French dominance to north america, stretching to Texas and the Rio Grande.
-The Thirty Years War: 4 seperate small wars vs Spain, Austria, Portugal, and the Papacy with Poland and Cologne. Cologne is beaten and annexed in the first war, while the first 3 wars destroy The papacy and spain as well as austrian Germany. A brutal front in Texas is quickly reconquered. Eventually, with the destruction of the Spanish armada, France is the dominant naval power in europe. The war ends in 1648, with Most of Germany liberated to their normal stated under the protection of France in addition to Milan and Catalunya.

Okay, I have a game, I am russia, I have like 4500 points and I am almost finished with the game. I can't finish it however, I had a war with several Italian city states and rhodes was in their alliance, I have conquered the two provinces that the knights had but even If I give them 1000 they won't make peace, I have been at war with them forever and the weariness is killing me, no matter what I do i can't make peace so i can't focus on a full scale war with someone or on finishing colonizing siberia( I want a 700 colony in every siberian square), what do I do to fix this? Can I edit the game/save to force a white peace manually? BTW this game is on my laptop so I can;t post saves or screen shots until i get my thumb drive...

Okay, I have a game, I am russia, I have like 4500 points and I am almost finished with the game. I can't finish it however, I had a war with several Italian city states and rhodes was in their alliance, I have conquered the two provinces that the knights had but even If I give them 1000 they won't make peace, I have been at war with them forever and the weariness is killing me, no matter what I do i can't make peace so i can't focus on a full scale war with someone or on finishing colonizing siberia( I want a 700 colony in every siberian square), what do I do to fix this? Can I edit the game/save to force a white peace manually? BTW this game is on my laptop so I can;t post saves or screen shots until i get my thumb drive...
just take all their provinces and they will go to the negotiating table.

That's the greatast way.
BTW I want to do an AAR of EU2 should i make it in this thread or make a new one?

Make a new thread since that way you can spread it over several posts and easily link it in your sig if you want to.

OK but post there!

If its interesting then I'll post there :p

I have done that, I took both of their provinces, and even offered a white peace, they declined, then I offered to give them 1000 and they declined, that is why I am asking what to do...

On the war score screen are you shown as 100%? Otherwise you haven't taken all their possessions.

Now I have time to answer :) :
1. Save the game
2. Exit to the main menu
3. Go to single game and pick a save
4. Now click on your shield (2 times) so that you can choose a different state
5. Pick your enemy and click ok. Load game.
6. Negotiate a deal with "you" quickly (as the AI will play your nation in the meantime)
7. Save
8. Go out and reload your new save with your country
Hope this works!
P.S. I had to do that when I could not de-vassalize one of my allies :). Thats how I learned that...

Its probably a good idea to slow the game down to the slowest speed whilst doing this and possibly use up all your diplomats before letting the AI have control in case it decides that war is a great idea.

Okat thanks, one thing you could do is pause the game with the pause button so no time is spent.. I'll try it and tell you the results

Why don't you guys try AGCEEP or a world conquest? It seems you've mastered the game already.

OK, you must click here to download (http://members.dslextreme.com/users/jesterjd/AGCEEP/AGCEEPpage.html)

just a simple question: how long take a EU2 game (a campaign for example)?

Depends on the speed. The longest timespan for a camapign is 400 years - shortest - 20 years. You can adjust speeds from (I think) 5 mins per year to 5 years per minute. Figure :)

:eek: like 33 hours of playing... i like that :goodjob:

hey you guys did you know that civ4 will contain event-scripting as EUII does?
this will form the ultimate game, its like combining EU and CIV :goodjob:

Do you know that Civ II already had event scripting? :D
But its good to see someone from Zurich here! Welcome to EU Paradise!

Did you guys downloaded AGCEEP?(in 1 of my posts above)It's very cool and much better.

only for Windows, hm?

yeah i think....

Is anyone still playing EU? :D

I am atleast, :smug: currently i am stuck as a game with Brabant the year is 1486 and i have unified all of Belgium and i know every thing on the map from the coast of Argentina to India. (Portugal is a good ally to have. :D)

Never thought of Portugal that way, thanks :D
In my last game I tried to be Orlean. :( Bad experience. I kept dying every time....

Yeah, if you survive the English just wait until the French come after you with a diplo annex order. :sad:

You never have to accept those diploannex things. Thus nations like Bohemia are playable... ;)

(I'm quite happy with this game as I finally managed to create a proper Germany that has been able to beat up Austria several times and even won a BB war against France before losing a second BB war against them (still gained one province overall).

Look's good cept' for Austria still having Vienna inside your territory. a couple of questions though.

Did you start in the 1419 Grand Campaign or later?
How long did it take to unify Germany?
What are your relations with other european state's? (I'd assume pretty bad)

The Grand Campaign

The screenshot below is basically from just before I went to war with Austria and gained 4 German provinces (Bavaria etc). By 1515 I had finished diploannexing my neighbours.

Terrible of course since relations go down with everyone else as soon as you diplo annex someone. Sweden and Genoa are roughly neutral, no one is offering me any alliances.

The possible solution to the Vienna probably is either having a couple more wars with Austria or diploannexing them once they lose their dutch provinces to Spain.

I'm playing with Portugal in 1469, I have just annexed castille(with my ally Aragon)

*re-instals the game* ;)

I'm planning to play as Hungary next. Time for domination over the balkans to begin. :D

Try Croatia for that :p. I tried that once and reunited all Balkan Slavs by 1600 with good reputation. Now that was a challenge ;)

I don't like the croats, :p and besides i all ready managed to create Yugoslavia (1930's border) with Serbia. And now i want to try Hungary. :D

Austria got annexed :)

My new early game as Portugal (no Hungary this time) whent well and i managed to make peace with Fez, Algeries and Tunisia. From that war i gained a few provinces and 125 gold from each of them plus i got Fez and Tunisia as my vassal. A year later the government in tunisia fell and the Almohads declared indepence in there and i'm currently running them over.

In other new's i have found the tip of florida and i'm starting to colonize it, and in 1428 i had a failed expedition to bring Dahomey or some such nation from the Gold Coast into my glorious nation, but i failed and instead got a lot of tribute as could not bring enough troops in there to hold them coast.

But othervise this game has started well for me. :)


http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads9/Portugal1434.jpg

Had a game as Byzantium.

The key is still to win a war against the Ottoman empire at the start. Its not too difficult if you let them besiege Morea then place a stack in Macedonia and hope the force is always big enough to stop them from winning and then you need to take over every province, wait for a year and then gain 4 or 5 Ottoman provinces. The problem is doing this without going bankrupt, I went bankrupt twice. :(

My basic plan was to try and get home provinces either the same religion or same culture so I mainly went west.

The problems I've faced:
I've only ever had one local ally, Wallachia which I eventually annexed although they started a war against Hungary etc, which was interesting.

Potential diplo targets like Serbia tend to be killed off.

After getting a tarnished reputation I had lots of BB wars on both sides.

Venice are gits. They have declared war on me three times so far. During the second war they just refused to sign peace and then brought Poland into the war on their side, fortunately I was pushing towards Venice by then.

Bankrupcy kills armies. Lots of times I would heavily outnumber the opposition and still lose.

Inflation sucks, basically it kills my research guarenteeing that I will struggle to stay in the game.

Odd things about the game, Russia is struggling, Hungary has vassilised Austria who are in the process of destroying Venice and of course there is no Ottoman empire as their eastern neighbours took advantage of their two province status.

Nice! :) You are finally trying as Byzantine. By the way the map looks you are doing well.
Some observations:
- In my games Russia is always struggling against the Golden Horde and Poland. It became a rule really and I do not count on it pass Volga.
- I always try to annex the provinces at a rate compatible with my rep. Otherwise I waste a LOT on wars I do not want to win.
Here's a pic of my old game:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=65595&stc=1

You probably saw it before. Here's what I did to start with (and keep a good rep).
1. Sign alliance with Georgia or any other Orthodox state for that comiong war with the Ottomans.
2. Declare war on Maltese Knights and conquer them. Annex the island. Sure your reputation will drop, but Byzantine can afford it as: the province is a national one and rep goes up if your national proinces are owned by somebody else and Byzantine has a lot of that.
3. Fight that war with the Ottomans (I'm sure they will declare war between 1419 and 1420). With 2 allies (or more if your diplomats are good) the Ottomans are beatable. Do not take any land from them or take 1-2 provinces. You need that rep for other places. A good peace treaty without loosing your provinces (Moria or Rhodes) is sufficient.
4. Using your ally Trapezund declare war on the nation that holds Armenia. Win and annex it. You will connect a land bridge to it later.
5. Now you could get Cyprus since it is still an independant state. Sure you have a drop of rep, but if you were not greedy you could afford it.
6. The hint from now on is to win occasional 1-3 proinces from the Ottomans, keep them in check (i.e. from getting bigger than you) and keep expanding your empire at the rate compatible with your reputation.
7. Now if you noticed all 3 "initial" provinces: Rhodes, Cyprus and Moria you have wine. Takes a little time to get to the level where you can build Wine manufactures. With gold in Armenia and 3 manufactures you'll have a lot of gold for future conquests.

In this manner my reputation never went below "poor" or "bad" at some point. By 1700 I unified the Empire with every province having at least 3 level citadel, a manufacture and being Orthodox (except for Cairo cuz thats a pain).

Anyway thats my game :)

Me "new" early game as Japan (Nippon) whent quiet at first until i gained a casus belli towards Korea and their ally China through an event. At first Korea was a push over but for some reason i could not annex them.

So after i had finished korea i whent after china naval battles were easy and i occupied Hainan with almost no resistance but they would not sign peace with me so i had to risk almost all of my armies in making a landing into mainland china,

lucky for me before their +70 thousand large army managed to get over to my landing force, Manchuria declared a war with china and a minor peasant rebellion started near tibet.

so i managed to capture Macao and Hong Kong and got peace were they China gave me Hainan and Hong Kong, plus i signed a peace with korea making them my vassal and themn giving me 100 gold tribute.

Othervise nothing else happend except for me to exchange maps with europeans. :)

What tips are there for making assaults successful?

I had a war with the Ottoman empire but in the end I only managed to get 1 province in a rushed peace deal because they can keep on sending large armies north whilst I'm still besieging provinces. Venice and Poland were both allies so it would have been nice to think that we would have been more successful.

I personally never try assaults since it costs too many men, sure if you win you gain the province fast but it's usually not worth the cost of the soldiers lost.

Well I manage armies to get the result. I assume you want to know about wars in general.
I have the number of "siege armies" for number of provinces I want to gain simultaneously and a number of "recon armies" for the number of fronts I have. For each pronvince the enemy has links to I have one army. I go with my recon armies and defeat the enemy on the border (which ever side). Then reinforce it and move it forward to block the incoming armies. The "siege army" comes and besieges the border province I want to take. It normally does not get attacked. Even if the recon army gets defeated there's still a good chance that your seige army will hold of the attack. When you take a town, move both armies forward to protect and take the next objective. I mix this tactic with reinforcing armies and having "backup" and "raider" type armies. Raider Armies are good in taking out small reinforcements of the enemy. Sure 1k is not much, but 100 cents make a dollar ;). I also have (sometimes) armies of "1st", "2nd" or "3rd" waves when dealing with strong enemies.

If you asked about "assults" - then simply have more artillery with you. The more the quicker sieges and assaults go.

The problem that I am having is with evil provinces that there isn't really much use in taking but it would be nice to have them.

Basically back with m Bohemia game I have a nice German empire on the go and recently had an alliance with Poland and Venice and wanted to go south and damage the Ottomans a bit as they were beginning to get very powerful (They have Egypt etc). I've got Hungary, they have everything to the south. The problem is that 2 out of the three border provinces have 15k fortresses that don't support armies of the same size so its pretty difficult to be able to take them.

I guess I should really just ignore these provinces since they would give me no real benefit in taking. The main reason for the two wars against the Ottomans is because Venice likes declaring war on them, both times minor gains have been made but not as many as I expected. I guess fighting France would be a far more worthwhile task.

Then I suggest you do this:
Build a 200-500 cannon army with a few troops.
Defeat the enemy at that 15k province.
Have 100k soldiers move into that pronince immediatelly after the guns arrived.
Storm the castle as soon as the soldiers arrive.
[you can adjust the numbers yourself I just posted an idea]

The other option is constantly re-supplying besieging armies with cannons and cannon fodder....

I guess that would work. The Ottomans have proved tougher than I had originally expected. On the plus side I'm currently making about 400 gold a year and my high income provinces have mayors now. Also annexed Venice. I doubt I will go to war with the Ottomans again and I'm not expecting anyone to declare war on me as my reputation is just above 10 and I have a huge empire.

I've now been put off a war with the Ottomans, I don't want to fight the Polish again as I would win but they still have a large enough empire to keep the Russians in the east. If they ever lose a war then I would be forced to act as if Poland were to collapse I would want the border to be as far east as possible. Not much risk of that happening though as Russia lost a war recently against Poland. The other target would be France and their allies. They do have a 100k army in the south that would be challenging. The only other target is Spain but they have a huge colonial empire so they probably wouldn't give up any provinces for peace.

I've just found that Aragon is a nice empire to play. The dual cultures really help and allow for some nice empire building at the start by annexing all the Italian nations.

Heres an odd situation though:

The Greeks with their allies beat up the Ottomans and then the Serbians followed but have no access to ships so they are stuck in a stalemate. Unfortunately they are now at war with Hungary et al. Not sure how the game will handle Serbia owning 3 other provinces that the other empires cannot reach unless they get military access with the Ottomans which is unlikely.

Will be interesting to see who ends up dominating the region. Any predictions?
(Btw Byzantium may be mine in 5 years time as I plan on diplo annexing Tuscany)

Can you post a bigger picture of this plz?

Okay although this is from a bit later on. Basically once Serbia lost their two normal provinces the game automatically gave those other provinces back to the Ottomans.

Ironically the area hasn't changed significantly at all.

Heres a new slight oddity. Georgia in europe? I don't think so. :)

It was a nice opportunity since I was wondering how I was going to annex Genoa as I'm in an alliance with Austria so I have lots of wars at the moment with Venice. Should eventually be able to get Genoa in a peace treaty from Georgia eventually although I may have to sail a long way.

edit: (Since this happened around the same time)

Its a shame you can't avoid being vasselized by another nation in certain events. I didn't want to be vassilised by Spain and as a result 4 royal marriages were broken so I could not cancel it for a while. However once again the Aragon empire is free from 'Spain'.

Help!
I reinstalled the game, but every time I try to run it the game crushes. Its the Blink player that is causing the problem. I tried to load it in another way and got the "Video mode not supported" problem. How can I run the game?

Actually it is worse:
I load the game. Get a blank screen. Go out and close the EU2 program.
Then Blink player starts runnig ( :mad: ) and then it closes as the EU2 is by this time closed.
Blink doesn't work without the EU being closed and the game doesn't run after the player cuz the game is switched off! I think I go kill myself now :suicide:

Hmm there are some odd problems with EU2. One problem is that sometimes the blink player seems to start before the game so that the game ends up being in front of the player. Pressing alt+tab to select the player solves this problem.

Another time it just randomly crashed everytime I tried to run the game, restarting my computer solved that one.

Didn't notice this myself but my ally, England, did notice that Spain was unallied and war was declared. We rolled them over suprisingly easily when I was expected a very tough war. The result is shown below.

Two wars later and Spain is now down to Castille and all their colonies so about 6-8 to provinces. I may try to diplo annex them but I'm not sure whether to leave them in the game so that they can steal territories from Austria who are getting worringly large.

Good Game Dell :)
I give you another one.... Grand Khalifate of Granade:

How did you manage to do that? :eek: My attempts at Granada all end up in being annexed by either Castile or Aragon. :(

:p

Well I had a really lucky war with Castile at first(1419-1421). I managed to win Mursia and Andalusia and hoped to get 1 province, but they offered me both. Then an extremely lucky war with Portugal. Castille moved in but I offered them 50 gold - best betrayal in history. With Castille gone it was more or less easy to win against Portugal - they only had Taho + colonies left. This was a longer war I had 1 year of combat and 4 years of siedge (simulaneous of 2 cities). After that Castille sobered up and lauched a war against me. This was a tough one - we were equals, but they had better tech (i.e. Catholic). Finally using superior tacitcs I defeated them and took the provinces you see (3). Thats was 1439. After that I declared war on Portugal and anexed them + colonies. Before that my reputation was the best ("noble"), but it got spoiled in 1443 when I annexed Portugal. Now Aragon declared war on me and I am sure I will win this one.

Of course I was lucky in two ways. Firstly I only lost one battle in my first war. I hadto reload 2 times when my armies were wiped out. I figured my game would be lost so I decided not to waste time and rebuild lost armies (and went straight for reload). SecondlyI was allied to Algeres. Since they are bigger than me both Castille and Portugal always had more troops fighting them than me which allowed me to take territories with only 50% of enemy troops defending them. Now that was how I managed to win against superior forces :).

:nono: never save/load unless you are totally defeated. That's my way of playing.

BTW, i thought that full game localization (of real games not freeware or shareware) of games was mostly only done by Germans. :confused:

Well if I do not consider reloading cheating esp. if it saves me time. I'd rather reload than re-start the game wasting even more time.
What do you mean about localization? My version was official...

What do you mean about localization? My version was official...

Full Localization = Full game translation (in American and English games)

A game i started a few days ago as France, ended up so far pretty good. Slicing up Burgundy and taking all of the English French provinces. Later i got to taking more land from Burgundy and at the same time i took 1 province from Aragon. Then i just improved my Stability and Economy, now my stability took a turn for the worst as i invaded the British Isles, and gained 3 provinces from England in the ensuing peace. The only way i was able to pull off the English invasion was because i hired privateers to the english channel to delay the english navy and allow me to land almost un opposed. :)

Now my nation is #1 in victory point's. :)

I dont think I've ever played France...yet. What is your reputation?

I dont think I've ever played France...yet. What is your reputation?

Playing as France is quite easy actually, and beating the English is not difficult if one goes after Burgundy first. :)

My reputation is "rather bad" using the games own words currently, but i'm improving it with my neighbors, Poland and Austria are my best allies, and Castile & England are my worst enemies along with Burgundy or what' left of it. :)

France seems to be the easiest nation in the game although they do seem to have a penalty on naval exploration which holds back colonisation in AGREEP. Whilst playing as France I've managed to take most of Spain, all Italian provinces except for Rome, all the dutch provinces except for Holland and several German provinces. I've also heavily colonised the USA. My reputation is very bad.

France seems to be the easiest nation in the game although they do seem to have a penalty on naval exploration which holds back colonisation in AGREEP.

I've tried France a few times (This is my third time to play them), and always i don't much concentrate on colonisation but instead concentrate on taking over all of Continental Europe and England.

Thats similar to what I have done but I wanted to grab America so that the English couldn't and its something to do whilst waiting for the next war in Europe.