American Revolution for C3C

Here is a map of the eastern United States that I made for Sourboy's American Revolution scenario.

I preplaced nearly 100 cities as well as roads and resorces. I tried, as accurately as I possibly could, to include all major towns and cities of the American Revolution. All 13 colonies are represented by at least one town and most have several towns/cities. Even the future states of New Hampshire, Vermont and Maine have cities.

There are several navigable waterways on the map including the St. Lawrence River, the Hudson River, the Deleware River, the James and the Savannah.

All North American cities (besides NYC, Phila and Bost) are size 2 while the British towns are all size 7 with the exception being London (size 12).

No improvements have been added to any of the cities.

Feel free to use/modify the map as you wish but be sure to give me a shout-out if you release a scenario with it ;)

here's a screen shot of the mini-map with both terrain and territory :D

Ooh, neat! I've been following the progress of this map in the American Revolution thread for some time, and I'm glad to see it's finally done! It looks very nice, you've done a great job :goodjob:

Ooh, neat! I've been following the progress of this map in the American Revolution thread for some time, and I'm glad to see it's finally done! It looks very nice, you've done a great job :goodjob:

thanks. it's like my little baby :p

Where's France? :(

Nottingham isn't in Cornwall either, it's north east of Birmingham -- where Sheffield is.

It'd be nice if we could get W. Europe in as well, but it's all good!:thumbsup:

Where's France? :(

Nottingham isn't in Cornwall either, it's north east of Birmingham -- where Sheffield is.

france isn't on the map b/c the person who requested it didn't want it there nor the rest of europe.

nottingham is an error. it should be penzance

I also wanted Western Europe here, so I added it. Read the readme for details. It's mostly based on LouLong's Western Europe map, with my own little touches :) .
EDIT: Screenshot.

france isn't on the map b/c the person who requested it didn't want it there nor the rest of europe.

nottingham is an error. it should be penzance

Probably an American who doesn't realise how significant the French contribution to the rebel cause in the American War of Independence.

Sweet map however :D

In the American Revolution Scenario, the Americans can build French units instead. The creator's purpose in this scenario was to focus directly on the Americans vs the British, and any other nation that was involved would be represented some other way (most often in special units that either side can build)

Yes, I've been lurking in that thread frequently. Probably too much :lol:

Probably an American who doesn't realise how significant the French contribution to the rebel cause in the American War of Independence.

Sweet map however :D

thanks kitty ;)

and yes, i am a bloody yank and damn proud of it! ;)

i was asked to make a map of the colonies and the isles only.

Spain could have been leftout, but France was near paramount to the success of the American colonies rebellion. Did you know that the leaders of France even discussed a invasion to the British mainland as a intervention option ?! That could have changed history afwully bad and the threat of it kept the majority of the British military power on the mainland not in the USA.

Spain could have been leftout, but France was near paramount to the success of the American colonies rebellion. Did you know that the leaders of France even discussed a invasion to the British mainland as a intervention option ?! That could have changed history afwully bad and the threat of it kept the majority of the British military power on the mainland not in the USA.

i know and this (colonies & britain only) was what i was asked to draw up.

feel free to add/alter what you like ;)

viper275 added Spain, Portugal, France, and North Africa to the map.. With cities too I believe.

viper275 added Spain, Portugal, France, and North Africa to the map.. With cities too I believe.

no problem. that's why i posted it ;)

Probably an American who doesn't realise how significant the French contribution to the rebel cause in the American War of Independence.
I requested the map as such (or pretty close to ;) ) because I want the scenario to focus on the fight for independence by the Americans from the British. The scenario starts at the beginning of the conflicts, not the beginning of the war itself or even the time independence was officially declared. I'm well aware of the foreign alliances made during the course of the war & the impacts they had.

I actually originally wanted to focus on 3 successive wars, but the editor is no where near versatile enough to get the wars to happen in order & with proper sides. After some thought, I felt it would be better to keep it simple & to include foreign nations by filling the techs with foreign affairs - since technology didn't change much in this short span. These foreign affairs would lead to British-Hessian Alliances, American-French Alliances, Indian Alliances, etc. Foreign support would be represented by auto-produced units, to keep both sides from using primarily foreign troops or specific troops (especially if more powerful). This is a big deal for accuracy, but also in terms of exploitation.

It may not be traditional to limit it to two sides, but then staying inside the box doesn't get you anywhere. The nail in the coffin was when the creator of the only other American Revolution (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=70711) scenario agreed on the changes from his original version, that much to your liking - does include many foreign nations.

If you want more information on the scenario, check out the discussion here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=93027).

I think this is good, it would be tough to really get the feel of the revolution if there was europe, it would be hard to have the measured French responsce at the start, the trade embargo's from other countries such as russia, they wouldn't last the whole game, and you would have to add a lot more of the world, most of the European assistance was by tieing up the brits in their other colonies, and then those boats the french sent to yorktown but who cares about that. LOL, still mad about Iraq.

I think this is good, it would be tough to really get the feel of the revolution if there was europe, it would be hard to have the measured French responsce at the start, the trade embargo's from other countries such as russia, they wouldn't last the whole game, and you would have to add a lot more of the world, most of the European assistance was by tieing up the brits in their other colonies, and then those boats the french sent to yorktown but who cares about that. LOL, still mad about Iraq.

thanks. hope you enjoy it.

What about the Native Americans? They played a larg part in the war. Also,one of the main reasons we won was the French alliance. They deserve some presence.

What about the Native Americans? They played a larg part in the war. Also,one of the main reasons we won was the French alliance. They deserve some presence.

re: Native Americans
you can add them as a seperate civ(s) or designate them as "Barbarians" and give them custom native american indian units.

re: France
the dude i made the map for didn't want france on the map. instead, his intention is to incorporate the frech aid through small wonders that auto-produce french units like soldiers and sea vessels.

someone posted a version on my map w/ western europe & n africa (a couple of posts up) if you wanted that.

i havent downloaded this mod I have a question first.Did you include the french cities to the west of the US in the scenario ?and spanish cities to the south?

(By cities i mean colonies)

i havent downloaded this mod I have a question first.Did you include the french cities to the west of the US in the scenario ?and spanish cities to the south?

(By cities i mean colonies)
no french or spanish cities (or even the civs) in the biq file

i made the map for a scenario and the creator (sourboy) wanted just britain and the colonists.

also, there's no artwork w/ the file. if you wanted to play w/ france or spain then you'd have to add/import them as well as the units (natedawgny's american revolution scenario in the scenario forum)

Just as a side note, AM REV was really a backwater element of a larger war between the British and French. Note, as Mahan did, that the French held off sending reinforcements of a significant nature until seven years into the conflict. Recall, if you will, that French naval commanders such as De Grasse, were consistently given a very brief window to operate in American waters, when localized naval superiority was necessary for military movement in the Chesapeake area. The real goal of the French was the Caribbean, and they milked the AM REV for as long as they could. To be brutally honest, our victory was an accident resulting from a French commander, De Grasse in fact, advancing against a British fleet, commanded by Hood (not bothering to look it up right now) without waiting for expected reinforcements (which did not arrive... typical for the French at that time). This is not to say that some of the French, like Lafayette, did not truly believe in the cause; HOWEVER the defining interest for Louis XVI was gaining prestiege and territory. Liberty is not usually an interest of an absolute monarch, except in the 'crushing beneath the boots' sense. So any real AM REV would indeed require French and British influence, and the Chesapeake would have to be navigable for all naval units; not just a silly river.

Sorry if this buggers anyone, its just some historical mumbo. If you want to talk about it, IM me sometime.

End of hijack, and btw nice scenario; my fav period!

Just as a side note, AM REV was really a backwater element of a larger war between the British and French. Note, as Mahan did, that the French held off sending reinforcements of a significant nature until seven years into the conflict. Recall, if you will, that French naval commanders such as De Grasse, were consistently given a very brief window to operate in American waters, when localized naval superiority was necessary for military movement in the Chesapeake area. The real goal of the French was the Caribbean, and they milked the AM REV for as long as they could. To be brutally honest, our victory was an accident resulting from a French commander, De Grasse in fact, advancing against a British fleet, commanded by Hood (not bothering to look it up right now) without waiting for expected reinforcements (which did not arrive... typical for the French at that time). This is not to say that some of the French, like Lafayette, did not truly believe in the cause; HOWEVER the defining interest for Louis XVI was gaining prestiege and territory. Liberty is not usually an interest of an absolute monarch, except in the 'crushing beneath the boots' sense. So any real AM REV would indeed require French and British influence, and the Chesapeake would have to be navigable for all naval units; not just a silly river.

Sorry if this buggers anyone, its just some historical mumbo. If you want to talk about it, IM me sometime.

End of hijack, and btw nice scenario; my fav period!
nice points for sure. i made this map for a dude who was going to make a new American Revolution scenario with it. however, the project appears to be dead.

i was asked specifically to include the colonies, parts of canada and the british isles. this is why france does not appear on the map. instead, it was intended that french units would be autoproduced by some sort of improvement or wonder.

also, keep in mind that there is no art work (Art folder) included with this biq file. it is a map only. however, i did import natedawgny's rules from his Am Rev scenario. alot of modding would be needed to be done in my the biq if you wanted to get it to work.