Ok I got an idea this is like a favorite SSBM poll but Ill use characters from all the consooles and companies not just Nintendo.

Srry If I left anyone behind.

Samus, i love that 1 hit super blast, and her c-pad is nice too

I AM OFFENED! WHERE IS LUIGI! He beats all of these guys any day! :p

I AM OFFENED! WHERE IS LUIGI! He beats all of these guys any day! :p

and Kirby, and Roy, and Marth, and DR. Mario, and pichu, and pikachi, and mewtwo, and Captain Falcon, and Mr. Game 'n' watch, and Yoshi, etc.

Kirby is my fav.

Link hands down.

and Kirby, and Roy, and Marth, and DR. Mario, and pichu, and pikachi, and mewtwo, and Captain Falcon, and Mr. Game 'n' watch, and Yoshi, etc.
omg are you stupid? or are you kidding... he just said it was for all systems not just from SSBM. If he named every, single, character, the percentegaes would never break 10 % (except for Link)

FOOLS!!! Cloud Strife could slay all of those characters, even if they all teamed up on him.

Okay, sure... prove it show a pic of him or somethin.

http://www.ultrabrawl.com/smashmelee/Stats/Images/cloud.jpg
Cloud strife,
http://www.zeldaguide.com/_borders/link_soul_calibur_2.jpg
and Link.

I'd say Link owns cloud strife.

omg are you stupid? or are you kidding... he just said it was for all systems not just from SSBM. If he named every, single, character, the percentegaes would never break 10 % (except for Link)
Take a chill pill.

I went with Samus. She is one bad babe. :D

I hesitated between Seamus, Cloud, Link and Squall.

But Squall just has class ^^

FOOLS!!! Cloud Strife could slay all of those characters, even if they all teamed up on him.

Only if he's able to lift his sword. Pretty unlikely, don't you think? :p

Samus would probably win, because she's from the future and all. Master Chef may have a chance, but Game&Watch cooks better sausages than he does so Master Chef is out.

Kirby wins!

<(^.^<) /\(^.^)/\ (>^.^)> <(^.^<) /\(^.^)/\ (>^.^)>

You know it's cute. Admit it.

Who the hell is TONY vercetti? ;)

I voted for Link. Why are people from Tekken there? Tekken sucks. Virtua Fighter, Soul Calibur, DOA are all much better.

And Luigi kicks Mario's ass any day.

Take a chill pill.

I went with Samus. She is one bad babe. :D
Dude I was cool.

Also, I think Link's mirror shield would deflect Samus's energy balls, even though Samus is still cool. Master Chief isn't that cool I believe because there are more than one of them. There's only 1 Link and 1 Samus. Debate if you want about this but whenever you play Halo co-op has two chef's and multiplayer you're all chef's too.

Mario. :yeah:

Dude I was cool.

Also, I think Link's mirror shield would deflect Samus's energy balls, even though Samus is still cool. Master Chief isn't that cool I believe because there are more than one of them. There's only 1 Link and 1 Samus. Debate if you want about this but whenever you play Halo co-op has two chef's and multiplayer you're all chef's too.

I doubt Link's mirror shield would be able to deflect Samus's flamethrower or wavebuster. The only way for Link to win would be for him to become Fierce Deity Link from Majora's Mask, and that would make things unfair.

And there's more than one Samus as well, in Metroid Prime 2: Echoes multiplayer. And there's four Links from Four Swords.

whats the point of arguing who's better. you put all the characters from fighting game that are too vastly different. You cant compare them because the game system plays differently.

Only character thats been in 2 different game in that list is Link. And Link was such a weak character in SC2...

I voted for good old Mario. ;)

I voted for Link. Why are people from Tekken there? Tekken sucks. Virtua Fighter, Soul Calibur, DOA are all much better.

And Luigi kicks Mario's ass any day.

you mean yoshimitsu? he appears in SC 2

whats the point of arguing who's better. you put all the characters from fighting game that are too vastly different. You cant compare them because the game system plays differently.

U can compare their abilitys and somehow say who will win.


Only character thats been in 2 different game in that list is Link. And Link was such a weak character in SC2...


What?? are u serius? him and mitsurugi controlled by me are the most lethal weapons in that game....I can tell u never got hit by the spin attack or the spin attack in the air. :p

Kuja FF9 (too bad he is the "bad " guy )

Dude, when I played Soul Caliber II as Link I whooped. I just stand near the edge facing in and wait for them to come to me. When the attack thinking they are so strong I strife and do the throw move. It grabs them and throwd them 180 degrees backwards. It's awesome. It throws them off the cliff 90% of the time if you do it right, working perfectly as planned. The only problem is no one wants to play you after that...

Link is the worst character in the game. He has what is called the worst frame advantage for all his moves. That makes him an unsafe character.

That throw the opponent out of the ring move won't work on someone who plays a decent game of SC2 in the arcade. That throw is breakable with A button. i13 throw plus i16 break frame... all that complicated frame talk basically means you have about half a second to react. Thats plenty of time to condition urself to tap A on response. If the opponent is smart he will simply tap everytime you attempt a throw and throw will never work. Not only that if you attempt it you will put yourself in vulnerable situation. Not wise.

Only reason why your link can get a free ring out is because ur friends dont break that throw. If they want to, they can easily practice the break and trust me, it will no longer work. Its just way too easy once you get the hang of it.

If you wanna ring people out easily by doing back throws, play Kilik or Yoshimitsu instead. They have throws that does the exact same thing as Link except theirs is alot harder to break out of. And in Kilik's case, its not only tough to evade (since you have to guard low to avoid it) it gives you an advantage even if opponent breaks your throw attempt if you do a throw escape recovery properly.

From what I hear of others, Link is as useless as Yungsung at higher levels of play. I personally couldn't care less about being good at the game, when I play with my friends it usually boils down to button mashing. I still have a lot of fun with it, but I'm just really not one for a "real" fighter, SSBM is more of my style.

Well even Yunsung has setups. Link just has 50% counterhit combos going for him, with no viable way to setup his combo....

O well we're not arguing whether Link is the best Soul Caliber 2 character, since there's only fighting moves... not boomerang and all the tight things he can do in the "Link-only" Zelda games. In his OWN games he whoops, and all the fairies man... If we're talking Ocarina of Time, you can have like 20 fairies if you're willing to risk all those items. But Link definitely whoops Samus. I'd like him to hop onto Kaepora Gaebora (whatever owl dude) and fly over people dropping bombs :D

um Link throws boomerangs, bombs and shoots bows IN SOUL CALIBUR. IIRC, Link does not whoop ass in SSBM either. He's somewhat of a mid tier (prolly upper mid tier)class IIRC. Im not familiar with samus vs link matchups.

U can compare their abilitys and somehow say who will win.And my point exactly is = YOU CANT MAKE THE COMPARISON.

imo, the only time you can compare characters to see who would win in a fight is when those characters are in the same game, and that game is a fighting game. Trying to compare characters in one game with characters in a different type of game doesn't make sense to me.

Link is the worst character in the game. He has what is called the worst frame advantage for all his moves. That makes him an unsafe character.



if u say so all the ppl i know that own SC 2 say link is the best ( after mitsurugi) u are the first to say otherwise.


It actually depends on how u play with them so it dosnt really matter :p

okay in Soul Caliber 2 it's not a game made BY NINTENDO, therefore Link's most best moves are still not as good as in his own games. Yes, you can charge up the arrow, but it's so easy to block. Just because he can use them doesn't mean they are good, they are just so it looks like he really is Link.

In Soul Callibur 2 Link's boomerang and bombs are there just for show. They have close to no purpose in an actual battle whatsoever. That's actually a weakness because those moves replace what the other characters have as special moves. The bow does have a few uses in combos and such, I think, but still isn't that great.

In SSBM, Link mostly depends on his projectiles. He's generally too slow and can't combo very well. Mostly it boils down to using the projectiles to damage, then finish off with the double sword smash or the sword plant. His down-tilt spike and up-B work wonders as well. But he's just too slow to compare against the "upper" tiers of Sheik and Marth. Young Link has speed, but not enough finishing moves.

That said, I really hate the tier system in SSBM. I know it exists, but I simply hate it. The more I play, the more it feels like Marth and Sheik are superior to Game&Watch and Kirby. The tier wars that used to happen around GameFAQs are even worse (do they still go on? I haven't checked that board for a while), about the same level as the Creationism v. Evolution debates around here.

Does Marth's shieldbreaker move actually break the opponent's shield?

if u say so all the ppl i know that own SC 2 say link is the best ( after mitsurugi) u are the first to say otherwise.


And who are these people that you know?
http://www.soulcalibur.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9984
Consensus of all the world's recognized SC2 players = Link is just too horrible to be taken seriously.

It actually depends on how u play with them so it dosnt really matter :p No not really. Somethings are dependent. Comparing a musket against a repeating firearm is not.


In Soul Callibur 2 Link's boomerang and bombs are there just for show. They have close to no purpose in an actual battle whatsoever.
Actually, Link has some counterhit combos that involves some crafty bomb uses. ~50% off of life over a stupid mistake in getting hit by a bomb isn't too bad. Of course... 50% dmg CH combos are common on most characters anyway...

That said, I really hate the tier system in SSBM. I know it exists, but I simply hate it.
Know that it exists. hate it. but do not let your gamre be bound by the tier. Unless if you're playing marvel VS capcom 2 of course.... where low tiers have no chance in hell of winning agst t3h Sent/Storm/Cable/Magneto g0dz ;)

okay in Soul Caliber 2 it's not a game made BY NINTENDO, therefore Link's most best moves are still not as good as in his own games. Yes, you can charge up the arrow, but it's so easy to block. Just because he can use them doesn't mean they are good, they are just so it looks like he really is Link.
by ur logic, capcom characters like ryu should be so much better than cyclops, sentinel, dr doom, storm and etc... unfortunately marvel character in general DOMINATE over all capcom characters.

Look at marvel VS capcom2 top tier list and I see only captain commando representing capcom universe...


Its how the game was designed. Whether this and that is from this game and not is irrelevant.

okay where did you get started with Capcom and whatnot? I'm just saying Link fans are definitely going to think that Link is undermade. He was made kind of to be cool and to take part in the game to get people to buy it because it had Link. Not just to buy the game, but if you were going to buy the game, Nintendo geared towards GameCube owners that know their games by placing Link in it.


And while we're arguing about Link look at the scores ub above man. Link's dominating.

.... sigh.

I mentioned capcom as an example because u brought up the fact that Link isnt good because game was made by namco, not nintendo. i even quoted u on it. What I had to say wasnt that confusing.

What scores are you talking about? Link doesnt dominate jack. All the regulars in that forum said Link sucked. And WCMaxi HIMSELF came by, took time to post "Link sucks". There you have it. Word from the BEST. Similar towhats his face in SSBM, Ken (IIRC) coming by smashboard and saying, "yeah this character is the worst". End of story. We have a conclusion. Anythign said afterwards are dumb fanboys posting for +1 posts....

I'm not takling bout Link dominating fighting games, but his own games. Of course if u played any of his games and finished them you too would vote for Link all the time.

ive played old link games on my NES and SNES.

whatever.

Play ocarina of time or wind waker u'll see...

These guys are just chump change to the spear :spear:.

And who are these people that you know?
http://www.soulcalibur.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9984
Consensus of all the world's recognized SC2 players = Link is just too horrible to be taken seriously.

Wait so just because u have your ppl on the internet their opinion invalidates my friends and aquintance opinions...dont think so.

If that link were from the creator of the game and such well I would have bowed before u.

Its still the same your word against mine.

I wonder why netgear is so uptigth.....ligth up a little bit enjoy your favorite character vote for him and leave link and other characters alone.

Wow, it feels like the tier wars are starting to begin here. I suggest everyone stop arguing. What happens is people more experienced within the fighting community start acting a bit elitist, while the people who play these games for fun start acting stubborn and rash. Both parties are equally wrong, and once started, the wars would never end.

In short, my opinion on Link is that at a lower level of play, Link is very easy to use and exploit using some rather cheap tactics. It's like button-mashing Maxi. But when playing some of the vets of the game, who can easily get around such tactics, Link becomes useless. But these experienced players need to realize that not everyone plays for skill, most play games for fun, and that is why many consider Link to be a good character in Soul Callibur 2.

But these experienced players need to realize that not everyone plays for skill, most play games for fun, and that is why many consider Link to be a good character in Soul Callibur 2.

Meh, so should you not bother to even learn how to do simple things in that game such as throw breaking? Thats about as lazy as not bothering to learn to shoot in basketball. Hmmm... I wonder why standing under the rim would be an incredibly cheap tactic if nobody knew how to shoot. Oh wait, thats not cheap. Its incredibly stupid. Since anyone who would be decently into basketball should be expected to take good outside shots.

Or how about learning to bounce the ball back in ping pong or tennis... Sure play for fun. But if youre gonna get owned all the time its not going to be fun. Thats why you HAVE TO learn how to play the game right or else you're just going to look like two mentally handicapped kids playing basketball.

And trust me.. its not being elitists when scrubs playing DOES look like metally handicapped children.... :p

Wait so just because u have your ppl on the internet their opinion invalidates my friends and aquintance opinions...dont think so.

If that link were from the creator of the game and such well I would have bowed before u.

Its still the same your word against mine.

why would u expect the creator to know more than anyone else.

bobby fischers opinion on chess strategy VS some guy's own opinion on chess strategy does not equal the same. Its not just simply "your words against mine".

If that link were from the creator of the game and such well I would have bowed before u.

There's no single creator to a game. One person may come up with the idea, and be acknowledged by the media as the "creator", but a team of people actually created the game. It's unfortunate when single people often get most of the credit for a game, when it's a team effort. :(

Thats why you HAVE TO learn how to play the game right or else you're just going to look like two mentally handicapped kids playing basketball.

Nope, not true. Not learning how to play the game right makes people look like two crazy kids plying basketball. There's a difference.

Take a typical match between me and my friends in Soul Callibur 2. Mostly button mash, or... button mash to a lower extent. Our strategy is completely devoid of any real skill. Throwing is still effective because we spend a lot of the time just standing there blocking. Blocking is effective because we don't know how to do low shots when we want to. We sidestep at the wrong time, we rarely ever guard impact. Our only combos are ones that come out by accident. However, the main point is that we actually have fun playing this way, and could honestly care less about getting good at the game. Then again, I actually don't like the game all that much in general, so let's move to SSBM.

I have a friend who is about the same skill level as I am (the rest are a bit lower), except usually he beats me in a close match. That doesn't bother me. He believes in the whole "playing for skill" mentality, although all his skills are self-taught, he hasn't been to smashboards or anything. Thing is, I can usually beat him at the mind game. My constant teching gives him frustration, my lack of seriousness escalates that even more. One time I played Mewtwo (one of my worse ones) and he was fox (one of his better ones) and for my first life I did nothing other than walking left and right. The fact that it took him such a long time to actually kill me when I was simply walking back and forth made it all the better. In our more serious matches, I still taunt even he's in the perfect position to send me flying. Unfortunately for him, because of my teching, I don't fly very far. I do all this crazy stuff because I have a ton of fun doing it. Isn't that what games were made for, fun?

When you play for skill, the game does ultimately become less fun. Do not try to deny it. Sure you're playing the game "correctly," but how does that make you feel when you lose? Frustrated. How do I feel when I lose playing the way I play? I want to play another match. Playing with skill makes the game more work than an actual game. I play for fun, and skill takes the backseat.

To go back to your basketball analogy, even though I absolutely hate the sport, I don't play like two mentally handicapped kids. I play like a crazy kid. If I ever was playing basketball for fun (not too likely), you'd see me take crazy shots from the other side of the court, not caring about the boundaries, and throwing shots not expecting them to go in. Do I care that I look stupid? Not really. Do I care that there is no way I could win in basketball against someone only remotely good at the game? Nope, winning isn't everything, at least not to me. What would anyone have to gain from winning one little match with me? If the winner resorts to bragging rights, that must mean that person doesn't have all that much to brag for.

Now let's backtrack a bit here. Why do we play games? Last time I checked, most people played games because they were fun. For some people, it's for skill, and that's great. Others, like me, don't care about getting good in the game. People who play for skill need to realize that and stop being so elitist. Because the end result is I still might respect you because you're really good at the game, but I have to stop respecting you as a person because you insist on being so obnoxious. Thank you, and good night.

:lol: i just had to say this silverflame when you said "thank you and goodnight" it says you posted at 12:08 around noon. But also agree with what you're saying. That's kinda why I don't like playing Halo with my brother. He is too good to make it a fun game with warthog rallies and the sort. He always has to grab that additional rocket and cloaking and overshild "just in case" he says. But it takes fun out when he massacres me constantly.

I have to agree with Silverflame here, because I act the same when playing starcraft over the internet. I usually use the worst strategy I can think of when battling a friend, one time I built 260 zerglings and he built 30 dragoons and he slaughtered me with his proton cannon backup. Although when I play against some random person on battle.net, the only strategy I use is to build up as much defenses as possible before I get back-stabbed by my so called "allies".

why would u expect the creator to know more than anyone else.

....because he is...the creator....??...... :rolleyes:




bobby fischers opinion on chess strategy VS some guy's own opinion on chess strategy does not equal the same. Its not just simply "your words against mine".


U honestly think taht the ppl in that forum are the "bobby fischers" of that game? Nonesense. Their opinion have the same weigth than mine or Dabomb.

Pointless to quote them as if they were some sort of authority.....to give u an example I could easily register in that page and defend link would you think Im still some dumb kid who likes link? or will i suddenly become the "bobby fischer of SCII?? huh??

I agree. Netgear, you also might know that LINK is only for ONE soul caliber II version, hence he would get 1/3 the glory. And if he's not liked by some GameCube owners, he gets even Less glory. Kind of like how Spawn and whatever PS2 has don't have as much glory.

Well I voted for Ganondorf, since I restricted myself to those from SSBM.

coughLINKcough. Come on he was from SSBM and he rocked :)