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CivArmy s. 1994
Aug 21, 2004, 11:33 AM
Civilization: Taiwan
Bonuses: Commercial and Scientific
Title and leader: Chaing Kai Sheck
Best/shunned government: Republic and Despotism
Agression: 02 (low)
Cultural group: Asia
Noun: Taiwanese
Adjective: Taiwanese
Colors: Yellow (Egypt) and Dar Yellow (Mongol)
UU: Kuo Min Tang
Civilopedia entry: RACE_TAIWAN

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/taiwan014.jpg

Cities:
Taipei
T'ainan
Hsinchu
Tanshui
Changhua
Nant'ou
Tungkang
Fenglin
Suao
Makung
Ilan
T'aoyüan
Chilung
T'aichung
Hsingying
Fengyüan
P'ingtung
Kaohsiung
Yüli
Miaoli
Hualien
Touliu
Chiai
Ch'engkung
Puli

Military leaders:
???

Scientific ones:
???

Civilopedia:
Taiwan's indigenous population was first joined and intermarried with male traders and seasonal workers from Mainland China primarily during a brief period of Dutch control between 1624 and 1662. The Dutch were ousted from the island in 1662 by Zheng Chenggong (also known as Koxinga), a Ming loyalist, who hoped to marshall his troops on the island. Following the defeat of Zheng's grandson to an armada led by Admiral Shi Lang, Zheng's followers were expatriated to the furthest reaches of the Qing empire leaving approxamately 7000 Chinese on Taiwan. The Qing government wrestled with its Taiwan policy to reduce piracy and vagrancy in the area ,which led to a series of edicts to manage immigration and respect aboriginal land rights. Illegal immigrants continued to enter Taiwan as rentors of the large plots aboriginal lands under contracts that usually involved marriage, while the border between tax paying lands and "savage" lands expanded east. Following the Sino-Japanese War in 1895, China was forced to cede Taiwan to Japan in perpetuity allowing a grace period for those wishing to remain Chinese subjects to sell their property and return to the mainland. The island's military occupation by the ROC began in 1945 following Japan's defeat in World War II. The severe clash between a mainland military administration under Chen Yi and native Taiwanese led to the bloody 228 incident in which government troops massacred 30,000 protestors. In the San Francisco Peace Treaty which came into force on April 28, 1952, Japan formally renounced all right, claim, and title to Formosa (Taiwan) and the Pescadores.

The Kuomintang (Nationalist Party), which at the time controlled the government of the ROC, retreated to Taiwan after the Chinese Civil War between the Kuomintang and the Communist Party of China ended in the Communists' favor in 1949, bringing with them some 2 million refugees from Mainland China. Since then, Taiwan has developed a prosperous and dynamic economy, becoming one of the East Asian Tigers.

Taiwan remained under martial law for 4 decades until 1987 and one-party rule until 1991 when President Chiang Ching-kuo gradually liberalized and democratized the system.


Kuo Min Tang, the UU:
It replaces Infantary and

odintheking
Aug 21, 2004, 11:45 AM
Why don't you just make a blank leaderhead? :lol: Call it "Santa Claus eating marshmallows in a snow storm", :lol: But really, I know nothing about Taiwan, it's a very obscure nation.

TopGun
Aug 21, 2004, 12:01 PM
I'll get info to you within a day or so... :)

Ogedei_the_Mad
Aug 21, 2004, 12:02 PM
Taiwan should probably have the "Commercial / Scientific" traits like the Koreans do in Civ3. The leader could be Jiang Jieshi (Chiang Kai-shek) and its favored / shunned government should be Republic / Despotism. That's partially accurate historically (as Taiwan did start out with a somewhat despotic leadership and became more of a real republic only decades later).

bombshoo
Aug 21, 2004, 12:36 PM
Yeah Chaing Kai Sheck is needed, not only as a good Taiwan leader, but for the chinese in WWII.

TopGun
Aug 21, 2004, 12:55 PM
UU: Kuo Min Tang (replaces Infantry)

bombshoo
Aug 21, 2004, 12:58 PM
Yeah, could use that new chinese infantry graphic that Bebro made.

CivArmy s. 1994
Aug 21, 2004, 12:58 PM
EDITED: what is the link of Bebro unit?

Oh, any image of the leader? what could be his title?

Drift
Aug 21, 2004, 01:27 PM
Oh, any image of the leader?

http://images.google.fi/images?q=chiang%20kai-shek&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

I feel Taiwan is most useful as a civ needed for some scenarios. I don't honestly think that it has enough claim to be a civ of its own in epic game.

Sword_Of_Geddon
Aug 21, 2004, 03:18 PM
Hi Civarmy! Its good to hear from you again...still working on these leaderheads I see. Heres some suggestions:

Favorite/Shunned: Republic/Communism(Its really modern Tiawan, not Tiawan as it was first founded(and it wasn't even called Tiawan then) that represents Tiawan). The hatred of Communism stems from the fact that China uses it, and it was the Communists who overthrew the Republic(the government of Tiawan consider themselves the continuation of that government).

Ogedei_the_Mad
Aug 21, 2004, 03:26 PM
UU: Kuo Min Tang (replaces Infantry)

The "Guomingdang" is the name of the Nationalist party. So perhaps you could simply add the word infantry after that. Just make it "Guomingdang Infantry" since having a unit named "Guomingdang" is kind of wierd.

And Sword_Of_Geddon, its "Taiwan" not "Tiawan" ;) .

CivArmy, here's a photo of Jiang Jieshi:
http://terrescontees.free.fr/personnages/chine/tchang_kai_chek.jpg

Sword_Of_Geddon
Aug 21, 2004, 03:28 PM
I type very quickly....sorry. The mispelling was not intentional.

CivArmy s. 1994
Aug 21, 2004, 05:54 PM
first post, first arts and upgrate in the treats :cool:

Sword_Of_Geddon
Aug 21, 2004, 06:01 PM
Hes looking good Civarmy! For the Medival and Ancient Ages you should have some Pagodas and traditional Chinese bridges in the background, to make him look "Ethnic". Yes no...maybe so?

Ogedei_the_Mad
Aug 21, 2004, 06:02 PM
His name should be spelled "Chiang Kai-shek" or "Jiang Jieshi." :)

The leaderhead looks good, but the eyes should look a little more like the photo.

Drift
Aug 21, 2004, 06:06 PM
I don't feel he looks asian enough and his moustache is too big. I'd also make his face a little rounder and give the eyes a more asian look.

Quality is excellent though. :)

Mobilize
Aug 21, 2004, 06:31 PM
Doesn't look Asian at all. Rounder smoother face with slanted eyes.

Mobilize
Aug 21, 2004, 06:39 PM
Taiwan:
Taipei
T'ainan
Hsinchu
Tanshui
Changhua
Nant'ou
Tungkang
Fenglin
Suao
Makung
Ilan
T'aoyüan
Chilung
T'aichung
Hsingying
Fengyüan
P'ingtung
Kaohsiung
Yüli
Miaoli
Hualien
Touliu
Chiai
Ch'engkung
Puli

CivArmy s. 1994
Aug 21, 2004, 08:59 PM
first post, new arts, I used the feed back, thanks for u all!
I hope receive more feed back

TopGun
Aug 21, 2004, 09:53 PM
Taiwan's indigenous population was first joined and intermarried with male traders and seasonal workers from Mainland China primarily during a brief period of Dutch control between 1624 and 1662. The Dutch were ousted from the island in 1662 by Zheng Chenggong (also known as Koxinga), a Ming loyalist, who hoped to marshall his troops on the island. Following the defeat of Zheng's grandson to an armada led by Admiral Shi Lang, Zheng's followers were expatriated to the furthest reaches of the Qing empire leaving approxamately 7000 Chinese on Taiwan. The Qing government wrestled with its Taiwan policy to reduce piracy and vagrancy in the area ,which led to a series of edicts to manage immigration and respect aboriginal land rights. Illegal immigrants continued to enter Taiwan as rentors of the large plots aboriginal lands under contracts that usually involved marriage, while the border between tax paying lands and "savage" lands expanded east. Following the Sino-Japanese War in 1895, China was forced to cede Taiwan to Japan in perpetuity allowing a grace period for those wishing to remain Chinese subjects to sell their property and return to the mainland. The island's military occupation by the ROC began in 1945 following Japan's defeat in World War II. The severe clash between a mainland military administration under Chen Yi and native Taiwanese led to the bloody 228 incident in which government troops massacred 30,000 protestors. In the San Francisco Peace Treaty which came into force on April 28, 1952, Japan formally renounced all right, claim, and title to Formosa (Taiwan) and the Pescadores.

The Kuomintang (Nationalist Party), which at the time controlled the government of the ROC, retreated to Taiwan after the Chinese Civil War between the Kuomintang and the Communist Party of China ended in the Communists' favor in 1949, bringing with them some 2 million refugees from Mainland China. Since then, Taiwan has developed a prosperous and dynamic economy, becoming one of the East Asian Tigers.

Taiwan remained under martial law for 4 decades until 1987 and one-party rule until 1991 when President Chiang Ching-kuo gradually liberalized and democratized the system.

Sword_Of_Geddon
Aug 21, 2004, 10:15 PM
That was quite good for a Civilipedia entry Topgun. Thanks for putting it toghether.

Antiochus VII
Aug 21, 2004, 11:02 PM
This might be helpful to fix the uniform design...

Drift
Aug 22, 2004, 02:08 AM
The leaderhead doesn't still look quite asian enough.
- Moustache covers too much of his upper lip. Chiang's moustache seems to have been much thinner.
- Eyes don't look asian, more like squinted caucasian eyes.

It's very close - just small, but important details left to take care of. :)

CivArmy s. 1994
Aug 22, 2004, 08:34 AM
first post, new arts, I changed his mustache and eyes :cool:
I can't change his uniform, cos I need a template file of this uniform freebie, file that I do not have. I have the template file of his cap, for this reason I was able to edit it and add the star of his political partie :cool:

Drift
Aug 22, 2004, 09:00 AM
That's it! Well done CivArmy. :)

edit: just remember to change his first name to Chiang. ;)

Ogedei_the_Mad
Aug 22, 2004, 11:41 AM
That looks a lot better. :)

His name's still spelled wrong. :p I'll just change it when I download it. ;)

Sword_Of_Geddon
Aug 22, 2004, 02:04 PM
What are you considering appearence-wise for the Ancient and Medival eras Civarmy? I'd say a traditional Chinese look would be appropriate, you?

CivArmy s. 1994
Aug 22, 2004, 02:47 PM
What are you considering appearence-wise for the Ancient and Medival eras Civarmy? I'd say a traditional Chinese look would be appropriate, you?

I agree :D I have to do them.


His name's still spelled wrong. I'll just change it when I download it.

When I post the image upgrated, I'll change his name ;)

CivArmy s. 1994
Aug 23, 2004, 07:39 PM
first post, all eras

Sword_Of_Geddon
Aug 23, 2004, 08:01 PM
I like the Medival, Industrial, and Modern alot, though are you sure having his ancient age incarnation as an aborigine is the best? China is an ancient civilization. Just my opinion...thanks for making him Civarmy. I can't wait to see how your Maphuche leader turns out.

Drift
Aug 23, 2004, 11:26 PM
I'm with SoG, ancient doesn't feel Chinese. If you are going to go with the bare chested hunter approach, consider changing his hair color to black. Other eras look very good.

CivArmy s. 1994
Aug 24, 2004, 01:18 PM
first post, new ancient arts

Drift
Aug 24, 2004, 03:08 PM
Good, but the bow looks out of place. I suggest getting rid of the bow if you place him indoors with clothes on.

mouselmm
Aug 24, 2004, 03:13 PM
Taiwan shouldn't be a civ in the epic game, it's a part of china

it can be used in some scenarios

bombshoo
Aug 24, 2004, 03:17 PM
The leaderhead is useful for any WWII in the far east scenario though...I was thinking about using him for China rather then Mao actually...Though Sun-Yat Sen would be nice..

Sword_Of_Geddon
Aug 24, 2004, 08:43 PM
On the contrary...according to the UN....they are no recognized as a country. I think Tiawanese people would feel quite differently. They consider themselves a sovereign, independant nation.